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Posted by: partwerks Sep 22 2013, 08:39 AM
Finally invested in a Renn shifter, and hopefully will put to bed all those shifting woes once and for all!!
Not that my mechanic doesn't know what he is doing, but are there any off the wall issues that might be good to know before we start the project?? I have all new bushings otherwise.
Posted by: davesprinkle Sep 22 2013, 09:03 AM
Get rid of the fore-aft limit stops. Seriously. Take them out and throw them away. The limits should be set by the transmission, not the shifter.
Also, good luck getting the reverse lockout to work. I just took mine out altogether.
Posted by: partwerks Sep 22 2013, 09:22 AM
Is the reverse lock out to keep from going into reverse gear when going from 1st to 2nd gear? If so, I had 1st capped off, and actually start out in what would be 2nd gear, is my 1st.
Posted by: Matt Romanowski Sep 22 2013, 09:42 AM
I had to remove the reverse lockout so I could get the shifter over for first. Once I did that, it was pretty easy.
Posted by: partwerks Sep 22 2013, 09:47 AM
According to that, then I shouldn't have to remove it in my particular situation?
Where do I go about looking up the instructions for adjustment at?
Posted by: Dave_Darling Sep 22 2013, 11:04 AM
Doc Evil's signature block. Look at the bottom of any of his posts.
--DD
Posted by: Drums66 Sep 22 2013, 02:44 PM
Get rid of the fore-aft limit stops. Seriously. Take them out and throw them away. The limits should be set by the transmission, not the shifter.
Also, good luck getting the reverse lockout to work. I just took mine out altogether.
.....Go get your money back! & enjoy the stock set-up
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Posted by: partwerks Sep 22 2013, 03:20 PM
That's the problem, I'm not enjoying the factory set up.
Posted by: Drums66 Sep 22 2013, 03:38 PM
....OK, intertain other idea's 
Posted by: Matt Romanowski Sep 22 2013, 03:57 PM
Anyone tried the Hargett Precision shifter?
Posted by: Tom Sep 22 2013, 04:46 PM
My Renn shift install worked out great. Reverse lock out performs perfectly. I did install all new bushings which was a big factor in tightening up any slop aft of the shifter. I ran into a problem at the trans console, the hole for the stock sized bushing there was way bigger than the bushing, and the shift rod was very loose on the new bushing. Solved that with a custom machined nylon bushing and a couple of nylon ties to keep the new bushing tight in the oval trans console hole. There are other ways to address this issue as someone makes a brass bushing for that area. I don't favor that route because if the nylon bushing wore the hole into an oval, imagine what a brass one will do. Maybe if it is good and tight, allowing no movement in the trans console it will work well. I did post some pics of my fix in a thread back in say 07/08. The size difference in the custom bushing compared to the stock sized one is eye opening.
Tom
Posted by: partwerks Sep 22 2013, 05:27 PM
I just have the shifter, not anything from the firewall back that I am changing. I'm guessing you got some linkage from them??
Posted by: Tom Sep 22 2013, 06:06 PM
No, no linkage. I replaced all of the bushings aft of the shifter. Firewall, aluminum piece just aft of the firewall, and the trans console bushings.
Tom
Posted by: r_towle Sep 22 2013, 06:11 PM
Anyone tried the Hargett Precision shifter?
Only sticks up a wee bit.....
Posted by: partwerks Sep 22 2013, 06:14 PM
I see.
I replaced all those about a year ago, and so I hope there are no issues when the mechanic is installing it.
Posted by: JWest Sep 22 2013, 07:56 PM
Get rid of the fore-aft limit stops. Seriously. Take them out and throw them away. The limits should be set by the transmission, not the shifter.
You must have adjusted them wrong. Seriously.
They are for preventing excessive force beyond full engagement in the transmission. If you are not forcing anything, they are never used because they are adjusted with clearance at full engagement. Too many people can't stop themselves from banging gears, it's just a little extra life for the bushings to not be punished so much. Most issues with the shifter come from slop in the bushings or adjustment being off. The RennShift is easier to adjust than the stock shifter, but requires good bushings for full benefit.
Posted by: JWest Sep 22 2013, 08:13 PM
Finally invested in a Renn shifter, and hopefully will put to bed all those shifting woes once and for all!!
Not that my mechanic doesn't know what he is doing, but are there any off the wall issues that might be good to know before we start the project?? I have all new bushings otherwise.
Mechanics tend to do a bad install more then novices, because they won't read the instructions and specifics, but novices are careful, pay attention, and this is just not that difficult. Some mistakes I have seen:
The metal bushing in the bottom of your shifter needs to be moved over to the RennShift with the shift rod clevis.
Adjust so the shift stick does not move to either side when engaging 2nd gear - the gear slot in the trans should align with the shifter springs.
Back off the stops so they are not touching during full engagement, as above.
Posted by: partwerks Sep 22 2013, 09:01 PM
Finally invested in a Renn shifter, and hopefully will put to bed all those shifting woes once and for all!!
Not that my mechanic doesn't know what he is doing, but are there any off the wall issues that might be good to know before we start the project?? I have all new bushings otherwise.
Mechanics tend to do a bad install more then novices, because they won't read the instructions and specifics, but novices are careful, pay attention, and this is just not that difficult. Some mistakes I have seen:
The metal bushing in the bottom of your shifter needs to be moved over to the RennShift with the shift rod clevis.
Adjust so the shift stick does not move to either side when engaging 2nd gear - the gear slot in the trans should align with the shifter springs.
Back off the stops so they are not touching during full engagement, as above.
I'll skip over the first line for the mechanic, but pass along the extra tips part, just in case!!
Posted by: naro914 Sep 22 2013, 09:02 PM
I have Rennshft in both Papa and Huey and love them. No other mods to the linkage.... Any 914 owner that drives Huey is amazed at how precise and easy the shifting is, though for some reason Huey shifts better than Papa?? No idea why... But both are good.
Posted by: r_towle Sep 22 2013, 09:03 PM
Cause Huey shifts nice, but eats motors....
Posted by: partwerks Sep 22 2013, 09:13 PM
Finally invested in a Renn shifter, and hopefully will put to bed all those shifting woes once and for all!!
Not that my mechanic doesn't know what he is doing, but are there any off the wall issues that might be good to know before we start the project?? I have all new bushings otherwise.
Mechanics tend to do a bad install more then novices, because they won't read the instructions and specifics, but novices are careful, pay attention, and this is just not that difficult. Some mistakes I have seen:
The metal bushing in the bottom of your shifter needs to be moved over to the RennShift with the shift rod clevis.
Adjust so the shift stick does not move to either side when engaging 2nd gear - the gear slot in the trans should align with the shifter springs.
Back off the stops so they are not touching during full engagement, as above.
I'll skip over the first line for the mechanic, but pass along the extra tips part, just in case!!
I wonder how that's going to work, since my first gear is capped off, and actually use what would be second gear for first, and so on? How will that work on adjusting it?? I may as well try and get some of these questions answered before the fact!
Posted by: Tom Sep 22 2013, 09:35 PM
Just as a by the way, an early 80's 911 SC boot caps off the renn shifter very nice.
Tom
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Posted by: naro914 Sep 23 2013, 05:43 AM
Cause Huey shifts nice, but eats motors....
Papa eats motors, not Huey... 3 this year...he's been hungry.
Posted by: TomR Sep 23 2013, 06:03 AM
I had my mechanic install my rennshift. He did a great job. Definitely better than I would have! Shifter works excellently. Huge improvement over stock. I didn't change anything behind firewall either b/c I wanted to see how big a difference the shifter alone made. I recommend this upgrade for anyone who dislikes the vagueness of the stock 901.
Posted by: JWest Sep 23 2013, 07:08 AM
I wonder how that's going to work, since my first gear is capped off, and actually use what would be second gear for first, and so on? How will that work on adjusting it?? I may as well try and get some of these questions answered before the fact!
With a locked-out 1st gear, the auto-reverse lockout will not function, as it is primed or cocked when in the first gear slot. You can use the manual lockout, or you can simply stiffen the spring for the reverse gate with the included shims.
I didn't mean to be harsh generalizing about all paid mechanics. But those have been the worst offenders and the customers who are apprehensive usually do a fine job. I have also had many instances of pros buying shifters from me after being impressed with the result of one they installed for a customer.
Posted by: r_towle Sep 23 2013, 07:09 AM
Cause Huey shifts nice, but eats motors....
Papa eats motors, not Huey... 3 this year...he's been hungry.
If that is the one you flipped, its mad.
If its not the one you flipped, it may be time to flip it head over heals a few times to teach it to behave.
Sometimes cars start getting to be picky...stuff it into a barrier, just enough to change the relationship.
rich
Posted by: JWest Sep 23 2013, 07:12 AM
Just as a by the way, an early 80's 911 SC boot caps off the renn shifter very nice.
Tom
Yes, and they are suprisingly inexpensive. Porsche part# 911-424-181-01.
The RennShift does come with its own boot, but if you are after a more of a factory appearance this works well.
Posted by: rwilner Sep 23 2013, 06:55 PM
Make sure your clutch tube is fully welded at all the right points.
With the rennshift, the shift rod will sit lower in the tunnel. If your clutch tube has let go at the front, you may not be able to get into the 4/5 plane.
Other than that, I highly recommend you install it yourself. It's simple to do, rewarding, and you will know it's done right. The job isn't even greasy...you don't even need to jack the car up. Plus, you can tweak the shifter adjustment until it's perfect after driving in real world conditions.
Posted by: El_Duderino Sep 27 2013, 09:32 AM
Doc Evil's signature block. Look at the bottom of any of his posts.
--DD
Don't believe there are any links in his signature anymore.
Posted by: Dave_Darling Sep 27 2013, 10:48 AM
Sorry, I just looked and his sig now says "PM me for a copy". So PM him.
--DD
Posted by: ww914 Oct 5 2013, 02:02 PM
I didn't mean to be harsh generalizing about all paid mechanics. But those have been the worst offenders and the customers who are apprehensive usually do a fine job. I have also had many instances of pros buying shifters from me after being impressed with the result of one they installed for a customer.
I have to tell you Mr. J West Engineering, I was not impressed with your answer to my request from your company for some replacement parts for my Rennshifter. I asked if I could buy a new lock out lever as I felt mine was worn out. I bought my shifter secondhand on this forum and while it works OK, I felt it needed some help since I didn't know how old it was. I auto-cross my car and it is very important to me not to grind going into 2nd with a fast shift. While I think I have my shifter aligned correctly, I wanted to replace some worn parts and pick up some shims that your instructions refer to that didn't come with my purchase. After several questions and responses from you, I simply asked if I could buy those parts. You never answered me. Am I in the category of the mechanic that doesn't know what he is doing?
Posted by: jim_hoyland Oct 5 2013, 07:35 PM
Question for James; I installed the Rennshift 5 years ago ad it has worked fine. Forgot the details of how I adjusted it; but feel it needs a slight adjustment at this point.
How should I go about this ?
Posted by: Dr Evil Oct 5 2013, 09:42 PM
For people that have to remove R lockout to get it to work right, this is an indication of not having things properly aligned. I can install and perfectly adjust a stock unit in minutes, the Renn sometimes gives me a hassle, but it is not difficult to instal with instructions. Even better with know-how. Keep reverse lockout, adjust correctly.
Posted by: ww914 Oct 6 2013, 07:28 AM
With the risk of taking a cheap shot, I will offer my experience.
The Rennshift shifter adjustment instructions are pretty vague. They tell you to perform shifter adjustments in the center plane and then they say it requires trial and error and doing road tests. Trial and error of what? If you don't have a good understanding of the shift plane, indeed it is a frustrating trial and error experience.
After I read Dr Evil's explanation of what the shift plane is, with illustrations, it was quite easy to get everything lined up, however as I stated earlier, my reverse lock out mechanism is very sloppy and I don't fully trust it, but I wouldn't remove it.
Posted by: mepstein Oct 6 2013, 07:51 AM
With the risk of taking a cheap shot, I will offer my experience.
The Rennshift shifter adjustment instructions are pretty vague. They tell you to perform shifter adjustments in the center plane and then they say it requires trial and error and doing road tests. Trial and error of what? If you don't have a good understanding of the shift plane, indeed it is a frustrating trial and error experience.
After I read Dr Evil's explanation of what the shift plane is, with illustrations, it was quite easy to get everything lined up, however as I stated earlier, my reverse lock out mechanism is very sloppy and I don't fully trust it, but I wouldn't remove it.
If you don't feel comfortable with the instructions, just give the guys at Jwest a call. Anytime I checked in with them, they have been very responsive.
Posted by: Dr Evil Oct 6 2013, 08:08 AM
JWest is welcome to poach my adjustment instructions and diagrams as long as they give me credit Its good to help out other vendors 
Posted by: JWest Oct 6 2013, 06:49 PM
I have to tell you Mr. J West Engineering, I was not impressed with your answer to my request from your company for some replacement parts for my Rennshifter. I asked if I could buy a new lock out lever as I felt mine was worn out. I bought my shifter secondhand on this forum and while it works OK, I felt it needed some help since I didn't know how old it was.
First, I've been out of town.
Second, I attempted to help this person rather than just send parts for an unknown issue. That made him angry, and since neither of us knows anything about the age and version of the shifter (it was purchased used) there is not a lot I can do with an unhelpful person. I'll go out of my way to help those who want to be helped but not if they get hostile.
Posted by: JWest Oct 6 2013, 06:53 PM
With the risk of taking a cheap shot, I will offer my experience.
The Rennshift shifter adjustment instructions are pretty vague. They tell you to perform shifter adjustments in the center plane and then they say it requires trial and error and doing road tests. Trial and error of what? If you don't have a good understanding of the shift plane, indeed it is a frustrating trial and error experience.
After I read Dr Evil's explanation of what the shift plane is, with illustrations, it was quite easy to get everything lined up, however as I stated earlier, my reverse lock out mechanism is very sloppy and I don't fully trust it, but I wouldn't remove it.
It's that way for a reason, what I have in the instructions will never please everyone but is based on customer feedback and experience. The typical RennShift install is so simple and aligns so easily that overly complex instructions would just confuse 90% of people out of doing it correctly. Those that have trouble can email me and get quick additional help.
Posted by: JWest Oct 6 2013, 06:56 PM
oops
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Oct 6 2013, 07:27 PM
Just like Restoration Design, you should consider doing a install video of the shifter 
Posted by: naro914 Oct 6 2013, 07:34 PM
Wow..can't believe all the fuss about the Rennsift (and didn't know there were older/newer versions??)
For each one, I unboxed it, put it together as per the directions, installed it, and it worked. Simple. One car I installed the reverse lock out (race car) one I didn't (street car). Works fine and was so easy. Actually took them both out and apart earlier this year to clean them up and re-grease them. Again, easy, easy...
Posted by: SKL1 Oct 6 2013, 07:49 PM
Have had one in my '71 (with side shifter) for years and am very happy with it. Putting one in the '73 I'm restoring now.
One piece of advice- the rose wood knob is a great addition. Sure makes the interior look like a CGT...
Posted by: partwerks Oct 12 2013, 05:10 PM
Got the shifter installed and shifts good.
I might have a shift boot made, instead of the cv boot, for a shift boot that comes with it. I was thinking of something a bit more sophisticated, for $565.00
Also, what size bolt will fit into where the shift knob screws into the stick shift??
Posted by: jcd914 Oct 12 2013, 05:23 PM
Just as a by the way, an early 80's 911 SC boot caps off the renn shifter very nice.
Tom
Posted by: partwerks Oct 12 2013, 11:16 PM
Also, what size bolt will fit into where the shift knob screws into the stick shift??
Posted by: carr914 Oct 13 2013, 05:50 AM
I didn't mean to be harsh generalizing about all paid mechanics. But those have been the worst offenders and the customers who are apprehensive usually do a fine job. I have also had many instances of pros buying shifters from me after being impressed with the result of one they installed for a customer.
I have to tell you Mr. J West Engineering, I was not impressed with your answer to my request from your company for some replacement parts for my Rennshifter. I asked if I could buy a new lock out lever as I felt mine was worn out. I bought my shifter secondhand on this forum and while it works OK, I felt it needed some help since I didn't know how old it was. I auto-cross my car and it is very important to me not to grind going into 2nd with a fast shift. While I think I have my shifter aligned correctly, I wanted to replace some worn parts and pick up some shims that your instructions refer to that didn't come with my purchase. After several questions and responses from you, I simply asked if I could buy those parts. You never answered me. Am I in the category of the mechanic that doesn't know what he is doing?
Warren,
You are entitled to your opinion and here is mine. its not cool to take a cheap shot at a member vendor proper etiquette dictates that you work out your issues with the member vendors offline. If that doesn't work maybe contact a moderator for assistance. This community owes a lot to the vendors who help support our love of these cars. Show some respect .
Scotty
Posted by: carr914 Oct 13 2013, 05:55 AM
Got the shifter installed and shifts good.
I might have a shift boot made, instead of the cv boot, for a shift boot that comes with it. I was thinking of something a bit more sophisticated, for $565.00
Also, what size bolt will fit into where the shift knob screws into the stick shift??
Get a 911/930 Rubber Boot - it gives it a great look
Posted by: cary Oct 13 2013, 09:21 AM
Best money I've spent is Chris's bushing at the firewall and GPR's polybronze bushing on the console. Put new bushing in the joint years ago.
Then loosen everything and adjust per Doc's instructions.
Shifts like a new car.
Posted by: partwerks Oct 13 2013, 05:12 PM
Is that the spherical bushing at the firewall, you are talking about?
Posted by: carr914 Oct 13 2013, 05:19 PM
Probably
IMHO, if you don't change the Linkage & Bushings, you aren't going to get the full advantage of the RennShifter
Posted by: cary Oct 13 2013, 06:34 PM
Is that the spherical bushing at the firewall, you are talking about?
Yes .............
Posted by: naro914 Oct 14 2013, 04:20 AM
Let me ask you about that bushing (bearing actually)- I know I could just ask Chris but I saw this in the thread: if that gets mounted on the firewall, doesn't it interfere with the coupler? When I shift to 1,3,5, the coupler comes basically right up against the firewall, I don't see any way the bearing would fit. A guy I know installed it and ran into this exact problem, couldn't shift to 1,3,5 since the coupler ran right into the bearing. how does it not?
Posted by: carr914 Oct 14 2013, 06:25 AM
That's another reason to change the Linkage
Posted by: pcar916 Oct 14 2013, 07:39 AM
As a machine guy I do like the spherical solution. But I simply shimmed the firewall hole with .005in brass shim-stock. It tightened the new factory bushing to an interference-fit just fine and has been that way for 13 years.
My modified 915 shift tower works much better with that fit. If I hadn't had some of those 911 parts lying about, I would've bought the RennShifter as well... it was more fun to make my own.
Posted by: Cairo94507 Sep 26 2020, 07:26 AM
Wow, this is an older thread on a topic that caught my attention. I have the Renn Shifter installed in my car but we do not believe it was adjusted correctly when installed. The issue is sometimes the shifter just refuses to find 1st gear and if I am not careful on the 1-2 shift I can nick reverse. Other than that is shifts easily. Operator error? Maybe. But I have owned 3 6's and never had an i issue shifting. However this is my first Renn Shifter.
I emailed J West Engineering and heard back from them within hours. I asked for a referral for a local shop familiar with their shifter and they provided one about 20 miles from me. J West was very helpful and told me to call if I had any issues.
I called the shop and made an appointment to get them to look at the shifter to see if it is adjusted correctly or not. The shop owner said he has owned 2 914's and installs the RennShifter in a lot of cars and just got 2 more delivered for 911's scheduled to be in his shop that week. My car goes in on October 5th. I will post about my experience and the end result. 
Posted by: Tdskip Sep 26 2020, 09:14 AM
Wow, this is an older thread on a topic that caught my attention. I have the Renn Shifter installed in my car but we do not believe it was adjusted correctly when installed. The issue is sometimes the shifter just refuses to find 1st gear and if I am not careful on the 1-2 shift I can nick reverse. Other than that is shifts easily. Operator error? Maybe. But I have owned 3 6's and never had an i issue shifting. However this is my first Renn Shifter.
I emailed J West Engineering and heard back from them within hours. I asked for a referral for a local shop familiar with their shifter and they provided one about 20 miles from me. J West was very helpful and told me to call if I had any issues.
I called the shop and made an appointment to get them to look at the shifter to see if it is adjusted correctly or not. The shop owner said he has owned 2 914's and installs the RennShifter in a lot of cars and just got 2 more delivered for 911's scheduled to be in his shop that week. My car goes in on October 5th. I will post about my experience and the end result.
Please do let us know. JWest are excellent to deal with in my experience.
Posted by: Steve Sep 27 2020, 08:28 AM
Love my Rennshift. To each his own, but I installed an extra washer under the spring on the right side. This added more spring tension, to make it shift faster from 1st to second and avoid reverse. That was years ago before switching to a 915 transmission and modifying my Rennshift for a 915.
Posted by: StarBear Sep 27 2020, 09:39 AM
No, no linkage. I replaced all of the bushings aft of the shifter. Firewall, aluminum piece just aft of the firewall, and the trans console bushings.
Tom
As long as into the work, replace the bushings. I might (?!) have sufficed to just do that to tighten up the original shifter, but figured 46 years and 118k miles was good use so got the JW Engineering unit. Tight.Posted by: StarBear Sep 27 2020, 09:41 AM
Wow, this is an older thread on a topic that caught my attention. I have the Renn Shifter installed in my car but we do not believe it was adjusted correctly when installed. The issue is sometimes the shifter just refuses to find 1st gear and if I am not careful on the 1-2 shift I can nick reverse. Other than that is shifts easily. Operator error? Maybe. But I have owned 3 6's and never had an i issue shifting. However this is my first Renn Shifter.
I emailed J West Engineering and heard back from them within hours. I asked for a referral for a local shop familiar with their shifter and they provided one about 20 miles from me. J West was very helpful and told me to call if I had any issues.
I called the shop and made an appointment to get them to look at the shifter to see if it is adjusted correctly or not. The shop owner said he has owned 2 914's and installs the RennShifter in a lot of cars and just got 2 more delivered for 911's scheduled to be in his shop that week. My car goes in on October 5th. I will post about my experience and the end result.
Please do let us know. JWest are excellent to deal with in my experience.
Yep; did the JW Engineering a few months back. Great improvement; replaced the bushings at the same time.
Posted by: StarBear Sep 27 2020, 09:45 AM
Just FYI, the JW Engineering unit has a much larger base cylinder so the original shift boot won't fit. Tried others like the 911 boot, but ruined the look and way too big, so did a hobo retrofit of the original boot with a bottom collar around the base (see photos). Most people don't even notice!
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Posted by: VaccaRabite Sep 27 2020, 07:11 PM
I made a simple boot for my Rennshifter just to keep it mor stock looking and also to keep all the dirt out of my shifter. Simple to make and it works really well. 
Zach
Posted by: thelogo Sep 28 2020, 02:33 AM
Just my 2c. Here but my stock shifter
Shifts like a bat out of hell . fast. Smooth and easy
As long as you do the cgt shift style. ( dont match revs )
Shifts like a honda practically
I thought about renn and or wevo
But its all in the pedals not the shifter
Shout out to the cheap sob 
Posted by: StarBear Sep 28 2020, 06:50 AM
I made a simple boot for my Rennshifter just to keep it mor stock looking and also to keep all the dirt out of my shifter. Simple to make and it works really well.
Zach
Great minds think alike....
Posted by: MM1 Sep 28 2020, 07:26 PM
Just my 2c. Here but my stock shifter
Shifts like a bat out of hell . fast. Smooth and easy
As long as you do the cgt shift style. ( dont match revs )
Shifts like a honda practically
I thought about renn and or wevo
But its all in the pedals not the shifter
Shout out to the cheap sob
Ok - did I read this correctly (or is the joke on me)? "cgt shift style . . .don't match revs." I've never heard of such a "driver's technique."
Please expound, Sirs . . .
Posted by: thelogo Sep 29 2020, 01:22 PM
Just my 2c. Here but my stock shifter
Shifts like a bat out of hell . fast. Smooth and easy
As long as you do the cgt shift style. ( dont match revs )
Shifts like a honda practically
I thought about renn and or wevo
But its all in the pedals not the shifter
Shout out to the cheap sob
Ok - did I read this correctly (or is the joke on me)? "cgt shift style . . .don't match revs." I've never heard of such a "driver's technique."
Please expound, Sirs . . .
No joke. MM1
How many clutches have you burned thru ?
It means except for 1st and in 1st as lightly as possible
Dont match revs . let the clutch out (abruptly)all the way out
Before pressing the gas . unlike in all other water cooled cars where you match revs and press both gas and clutch together.
Takes some getting used to but works like a charm for me.
I dont think ill ever get a carerra gt . but if i do . i wont bbq the clutch
See link no. 2 reference
https://drivetribe.com/p/5-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-S5kYYp75TniliXcp5zCjNA?iid=DjLHeUjBRXqd6hQnf1V8Pw
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