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Posted by: Brett W Dec 16 2004, 05:25 PM

When someone convinced the poor little misguided youth that rice was nice, that was the down hill slide. This is by no means a one time cycle. How many shackled up muscle cars did you see through out the 70s and 80s.. What about the van craze. Ricers are just the new generation of rednecks.


Most of the people on honda-tech are idiots, but there are some people and companies that really know what they are doing. Here are some of the more common combinations. Can't put it to the ground but damn from a roll they are lethel. I didn't even look for the Supra dyno charts, their always in the 800-1000hp range.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1069197 678whp and 402ft/lbs
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=864155&page=1 417whp and 309ft/lbs
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1010357 404.5 hp and 295.5ft-lbs & 393whp and 292ft/lbs
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1051135 514whp and 309 ft/lbs
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1033030 505WHP and 328 ft/lbs
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=941983 447whp and 319 ft/lbs
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=980524 542 hp and 615 ft lb's Mitsubishi EVO
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=943522 376whp and 252ft/lbs
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=920022 462whp and 328 ftlbs He cheated.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=891131&page=3 430whp and 327ft/lbs All from a SOHC D series motor.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=861581 Multiple cars at a dyno day.
http://www.theoldone.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16878&SearchTerms=H22 not cheap but NA prelude engine
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=487&highlight=turbo+four EAgle Talon

Whether you like rice or not there are some very fast cars and some major development going on on that side of the fence. There are many people just in town that look like rice and then there are the ones that look stock with a little lowering and some wheels that are very fast. Would flat walk away from most of germnay's best offerings in the straights some coudl do it in the corners, not many. Too bad road racing is not a major interest for these kids. Perhaps we could see a revival of the old days.

Posted by: Brett W Dec 16 2004, 05:31 PM

Check out this Civic, runs with a Viper from a roll.

http://www.cheesefrog.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1

Click on Civic vs. Viper (cheesefrog)

Posted by: serge914 Dec 16 2004, 05:34 PM

All those cars are either built for show or drag racing. You never see them at autoX or DE. Those are the same kids featured in the movie American Graffiti, just differents cars and music. It is still one of my favorite movies by the way.

Posted by: ! Dec 16 2004, 05:37 PM

Street Racers=Darwin Award Winners

RIP assholes

Posted by: synthesisdv Dec 16 2004, 05:46 PM

At the end of out last race I stayed around for the midnight drags,

Some of those cars are crazy. One honda ran in the 9's... Looked stock from the outside, (and pretty far away) but that thing flew.

Posted by: andys Dec 16 2004, 06:25 PM

Personally, I find most ricers quite boring, though they do produce some impressive HP numbers. Speed Channel had the drags on the other night with what some claimed were 1100HP turbo 4 cylinders'. Even the racers admitted they were surprised that they can hold together at incredibly high boost levels. Drag racing is not my thing (BTDT), so saying something is "fast" is a real generalization.

There were plenty of Ricers out at The Streets of Willow last weekend (Speed Tials event, I think), with all kinds of motor and suspension trickery. To be honest, they all looked slow, and they all looked to struggle on the road course. I didn't bother taking any lap times.

OTOH, my friend's 500HP 383 SBC 914 was a terror out there. Clearly the fastest (and loudest) car on the track. Passengered a few laps with him....That 914 is a brute! Give credit to my friend; he has plenty of roadrace competition experience, and knows how to set up a car.

Andy

Posted by: redshift Dec 16 2004, 06:59 PM

I rode in a TT Supra that was as refined as any car I've ever been in, and it lit up like a fighter jet, with 1100 horses... YIkES!

Rage on! (losers!)

hah


M

Posted by: Brett W Dec 16 2004, 07:27 PM

On the contrary a true ricer is the most entertainment one can have when not working on or driving your car. You can get them to say anything. There is a video on the net of an interview with a ricer. If I can find it I'll post a link to it. Talk about hillarious. Some of these kids don't know tires from oil, but can babble on about how their VTEK S2K is soooo fast, YO.

If this new generation of hot rodders (I mean the ones that are here to stay) was into road racing it would be like the old Can Am days. Manufactures would be going nuts with new developements and crowds would be huge. Bigger Aero and more power is cool.

I am not saying that all the kids that show up at a race track should be instantly fast but most of you guys weren't "presto" race car drivers. It took some time. If the wine and cheese crowds don't run them off there could be pretty healthy group of racers for years into the future.



NARP. I though the Porsche had plenty or power in stock form. Why an Engine Swap.


Fast is indeed relative. I don't particularly like Drag Racing either, but a 7000hp Top Fuel car is pretty neat.

Posted by: Dr Evil Dec 16 2004, 07:32 PM

My girlfriends younger brother is a ricer and he thinks my 914 is not as good as his 240sx or the 1100hp boxes out there. I wish that I could make him understand, but it is like trying to speak a different language.

Posted by: airsix Dec 16 2004, 08:26 PM

It's so simple. Invite him to go autocross with you. If he starts to back-peddle tell him to put up or shut up. If he does agree to go he'll have a great time, learn what REAL performance is about (driving & handling, and last of all power) and stop bugging you.

-Ben M.

Posted by: PatW Dec 16 2004, 09:00 PM

My brother upgraded from a Miata to a 2004, Honda S2000 last month. Seems to be a dam good car. It used to be a even match on a twisty road in his Miata and me in my 914 but, not anymore. <_<

Pat

Posted by: Brett W Dec 16 2004, 09:10 PM

You guys have got to see this. It is ablsolutely hillarious. Make sure you watch the whole thing.

http://www.hudsonimports.com/vteccobra.mpg

Posted by: MattR Dec 16 2004, 11:19 PM

I think imports@uci (university of civics and integras car club) was out there. Did you see a civic spin out on turn 1 and break a wheel? I saw "after" pics... it was pretty funny. A bunch of dumbasses with japanese lisence plates and JDM conversions that cant drive worth a shit. Every other week they post on the board about their speeding ticket or their accident... I hate to rip on ricers because its so easy, but when they compare their PIECE OF SHIT integra to anything it just steams me. [/rant]

Posted by: skline Dec 16 2004, 11:25 PM

Something else not mentioned is the money these guys spend on these rice burners to make them fast. I know guys who have spent over 10k on just the engine mods. By the time they get done they are into these cars for 30k+ for what? Something that will never sell. I wouldnt buy one for that kind of money. If you want a fast ricer, get one that is made that way from the factory like the NSX or the S2000, that car will hold its own and the NSX will even hold its value. I have always liked them. Same with the twin turbo RX7. Nice cars and very fast.

Posted by: Brett W Dec 16 2004, 11:56 PM

If we are trying to make money on cars we are all playing in the wrong game. Cars are for driving, toys are for collecting.

Posted by: MattR Dec 17 2004, 12:08 AM

I think his point is; 30k for 350 hp isnt a very good deal. I agree, especially when you get that HP at 15000 RPM. If you want a car that boasts high HP and you have to carry a dyno sheet around to show people its a "beast", then so be it. I like to drive my cars. I dont care if they have 90 hp. And I defy you to find a honda thats as much fun as my 912 (oops, i meant 914).

Posted by: soloracer Dec 17 2004, 12:27 AM

When someone convinced the poor little misguided youth that rice was nice, that was the down hill slide. This is by no means a one time cycle. How many shackled up muscle cars did you see through out the 70s and 80s.. What about the van craze. Ricers are just the new generation of rednecks.

Only stupider and more arrogant. The part that bugs me most about the majority of these backwards hat wearing, underwear sticking out of their pants guys is the bullshit "attitude" that seems to come with them. Aside from being asked "Yo, what crew are you with?" It seems to me the majority of ricers that I have talked to will only talk to brag up a storm about their POS and make tons of unsubstantiated claims of what their cars are capable of. "My ride is sick man....it makes 500 hp at 2000 psi of boost and when the V-tec kicks in all hell breaks loose." The numbers given are not backed up. Sort of like me saying that I have 13 inch pecker but don't bring out the ruler. Then when you pop the hood on this ricer all you see is an intake and exhaust set up. I had one guy ask how much boost I was running in my 951 and when I said 15 psi he goes "Is that all? I'm getting 40 psi out of my turbo." Try to explain the principals of boost and that higher pressures do not equal more power and all you get is the "whatever" stare. What seems to be of utmost importance to these guys is the amount of MONEY that you spent on your car. They tell everyone "I spent $30,000 on this" like it's a badge of honor whereas the majority of us would be embarrassed to make such an admission. One guy here spent $50,000, counting numerous engine rebuilds, and all he got was a car that looks like turd with plastic fins and vents stuck on it that on a good day will run a low 13 second quarter. With all the body moldings and kits there is no way any other kind of track work would be considered. And to think that he could have bought an NSX, Viper, Supra TT or early 911 turbo for that kind of dough. The worst part is he is proud of what he SPENT and other ricers are in awe of his financial resources.


Whether you like rice or not there are some very fast cars and some major development going on on that side of the fence. There are many people just in town that look like rice and then there are the ones that look stock with a little lowering and some wheels that are very fast. Would flat walk away from most of germnay's best offerings in the straights some coudl do it in the corners, not many.

When you are talking about germany's best offerings do you mean in stock form? Or all cars built in germany period? I'm thinking that there are probably more than one porsche that would give these guys fits.

Too bad road racing is not a major interest for these kids. Perhaps we could see a revival of the old days.

There is an active segment of import racers that compete in road racing in both an amateur and professional level. Names like Kleinubbing (sp) and Cunningham come to mind for pros. The amateurs and pros that do compete I have the utmost respect for. They are not ricers because for them it's not all about IMAGE.

Posted by: soloracer Dec 17 2004, 12:47 AM

However for most rational people there is usually a consideration between what you pay and what you get (or could have got) for that money. For $30,000 would you rather have a 300 hp civic or a stock NSX? How about for $15000 would you rather have a 200 hp Honda powered 914 or a 400 hp Chevy powered 914?

Posted by: dlo914 Dec 17 2004, 12:52 AM

RFLMAO....VTEC = Very Tall Engine Cooler

Posted by: Brett W Dec 17 2004, 02:30 AM

I agree. I don't know anyone that has paid that much for that. I damn sure didn't. When I build a street motor unless it is some really oddball deal, I consider 5-7K a good price for a street motor, any less a bargain (or not done right). Most of the guys I know haven't paid that much for their stuff. That kind of money is reserved for show car guys and people that can't do their own work.

Stupidity and arrogance is not limited to this new generation. I have met all kinds in my 28 years on this planet. The attitude is the same that I got all through the late 80s and early 90s from the 5.0 mustang crowd. I get the same attitude from old grey haired corvette owners and wanker ass 911 owners that can't work on their own cars.



I don't deal with those people. I have met a couple of people like that, but they don't hang around where the grease might get on their shoes. The ones I talk to are serious about what they do and learn from others. Of course they are also much older than most of these kids, also. That is part of the reason I hang out here, most of us are growed up.

I have met many guys at HSR and PCA events that are no different than these young ricers. These old guys just happen to have more money.

I can build a 200hp civic for less than 3000$ that will whip the hell out of much faster cars at the track. It will stomp the hell out of vette or 911 or even a well built 914 on the autocross course with the right driver. I wouldn't build a civic for 15-30K, But I paid 240$ for my civic and have put maybe 600 in the whole car. It will be getting a nice little turbo motor probably 350+hp and I damn sure didn't spend more than 4K. I call that a bargin. My teener had close to 7K in it, the race car will cost upwards of 60K, my V8 project will run 25-50K. What does that make me?

We can talk all day long about what is a nice car, how one should spend their money on THEIR project, but in the end it is one mans opinion against another.

A couple of years ago Sport and Compact Car Magazine did a fastest street car shootout. Dave from GPR brought out his Grey 914-6: Well you can see the results :
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0111scc_gforce/index.html
http://www.importtuner.com/features/0111it_gforcepromo/
http://www.vwtrendsweb.com/features/0112vwt_gforce/

Things did not bode well for the 914, wonder what the hold up was. Wait is that a two Honduhs in front of it. How the hell did that happen. Someone better ask Dave what was wrong with his car, because we all know the 914-6 is the fastest car ever to reach the track.

Posted by: redshift Dec 17 2004, 03:49 AM

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Posted by: Brett W Dec 17 2004, 04:08 AM

mine is 914"s

Posted by: redshift Dec 17 2004, 06:43 AM

Posted by: xsboost90 Dec 17 2004, 07:24 AM

there was a guy here locally, daddy owned an acura dealership. Well he sunk about $80k total into this integra-including the car- and it was pretty fast, when it was running. I dont think its fair to comparte someones car w/ 10k worth of mods to a stock german car w/ say, no mods. Alot of pple do this and it just proves that germany has a good reputation. When i was into supras, alot of other guys went for the big hp cars. mine was only like 300hp to the rear wheels, but i could drive it reliably whereever. Most of these 1100hp monstrosities never see the street, at least not often. Most are track cars or show cars w/ dyno sheets in the windshield.

Posted by: xsboost90 Dec 17 2004, 07:32 AM

oh and drifting does not equal handling...although i have alot of respect for the guys that can drift well.

Posted by: rhodyguy Dec 17 2004, 07:50 AM

i'm still trying to figure out how to put a small lcd screen in the silver car so i can buy an x-box, play racing games and watch finding nemo. the hats backwards is one thing... when they wear them sideways with the tags hanging off them . in all fairness, stripped bell bottoms, fringed leather jackets, ben franklin shades,and earth shoes were quite a fashion statement.

kevin

Posted by: Root_Werks Dec 17 2004, 10:49 AM

I have a couple of friends that are really into the DSM stuff. They both have Talons and mod them. Nothing will change the fact they are 4cyl cars and just sound like crap. They have free flow exhuasts on them, they are loud, but not elegant loud, crapy un-refined loud. They don't interest me in the least. Two things come to mind:

"My Honduh doe's 9's in the quarter mile,,,,and still,,no body likes me!"


As I sat at a stop light in an 87 911 I had at one time a POS riced out civic pulls up next to me. Kid looks over and yells:
"Lets go!"
Light is still red, Sunday morning even, fuck, I might have to.
"Nah, I shouldn't, nice car, that a civic?"
Kid looks surprised, maybe that I complimented his car?
"Yeah."
"I thought so, my secretary drives one too."
Light turns green and I gracefully turn right as I see him sitting at the light.

My point is, what a frigging waste of time, energy and money to take a perfectly decent commuter car and hack, tape, bondo the hell out of it until you make it worthy of nothing more than the scrap heap.

I don't care what anybody tells me they have under the hood. If I square off with another car, it will be another Porsche. I am a snob that way, but my car deserves better than to be seen squabling with the likes of rice. Were's that stuck up nose smiley.

Posted by: mskala Dec 17 2004, 03:02 PM

There are definitely some serious people out there with Japanese
cars, even if most of the stuff you see on the highway is junk with
body mods and coffee cans.

But don't worry, there's serious Porsche people in that field, too.
In a few days I should have an in-car vid of a fully-street-legal
normal-looking '88 930, that does 10.7@140mph and kills off the
supras, etc. Some pecilan board viewers may know the person.

Posted by: ninefourteener Dec 17 2004, 03:27 PM

Of course..... then there are those of us that prefer both worlds




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