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Posted by: DBCooper Oct 6 2013, 02:21 PM

I can't find the thread now, but I promised some photos of my Subaru cable linkage, with a rule for dimensions. Seem to be several projects getting to this point, so hopefully it will be helpful. I wrenched my back so it's been slow, sorry, but here are a few.

General layout. The cable going through the center of the photo is anchored on the left at the sheath to the main bracket, then connects to the shift rod bracket on the right, attached to the shift rod coming out of the transmission. That cable is the shift rod in and out. The rotational cable connects to the bottom of that same shift rod bracket, on the right. The main bracket is the important piece, it locates all the cable sheath anchors. This is the best view of the reinforcing gusset that keeps everything stiff.



Same view from below and a little further back so you an see the cable sheath mount for the rotational cable.



Same direction of view, but a little around the main bracket so you can see the shift rod bracket. That's the important dimension for full throw of the MR2 shifter, 8.5cm from the center of the shift rod to the cable heim center.



Another, that same bracket and dimension. This is the best view of now that bracket attached to the transmission shift rod:



Same components, different view. The main bracket curves out from the transmission mount to put the sheath attachment point out in the same plane as the shift rod. In the photos above you can see the shift rod bracket is bent in toward the rear of the transmission to keep that cable movement in the same plane. You can also see more of the main bracket gusset (that triangular shape). Need that gusset to keep it all stiff, minimize cable shifter "mush".



Different view, same stuff.



Shows the main bracket size. This isn't a critical dimension, but it will give some perspective, maybe help. that 5" measurement is from the point where it attaches to the transmission to the cable sheath anchor tab for the rotational cable.



No, this is NOT Andy's camera, it's my sore back. Not a critical dimension so it's OK. It's 17cm, the distance between the mounting tab for the in-out cable sheath to the middle of the in-out heim joint on the transmission rod bracket.



Layout (during the build) of the modified MR2 shifter inside the car. That verticall piece of flat stock between the cables from the shifter to the sheath mounting tabs makes the whole thing stiffer, eliminating a lot of the movement and making the feel a lot more precise. Note that there are adjustments everywhere in the system, every cable end. There's also a video of the shifter working in my build thread, ink in the sig, below.

And last but really first, your reward for reading this far, my little hot rodder grandaughter. She just wants to have fun.



Sorry things are dirty, but this is how things look with 20K miles of road grime. No maintenance done so far other than regular oil changes and a set of tires. If anyone has any questions or you want to see more or different photos just let me know.

Posted by: 914forme Oct 6 2013, 02:32 PM

Thank you for posting these, as it is where I am at in my build. At least in my head, the physical part of the project is falling behind.

Posted by: mepstein Oct 6 2013, 03:06 PM

Thanks for adding to the subie collective.

Posted by: Chris H. Oct 6 2013, 03:32 PM

Awesome DB, thanks. Very timely.

Posted by: jimkelly Oct 6 2013, 04:13 PM

two other pics I like of db's car are these. knowing the pns for the cables and where they were ordered from, would be gold.





and his mock up video provides some great guidance on a mock up technique - http://youtu.be/ncmaxYd1WNI

Posted by: DBCooper Oct 6 2013, 04:19 PM

Yeah, sorry Jim. I have a pile of receipts but that one's not there and I just don't remember. You should be able to show those photos (both ends) to any cable guy and give him a length (lay a tape along the route) and he should be able to tell you. Then don't be like me, write it down and post it.

It's terrible seeing the before photos, when everything was so clean, and now the after. I should be a better owner. Damn good thing it isn't a concours car.

Posted by: jimkelly Oct 6 2013, 04:36 PM

pretty sure one of these would be perfect.

assuming everyone is using an off-the-shelf length, seems 6' length might work, depending on where the shifter is mounted and which shifter is used. though it seems to have a little slack, 7' may be needed which McMaster does not seem to offer. i'm also assuming 2 of the same cables would be used.


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Posted by: Chris H. Oct 6 2013, 05:03 PM

Someone posted the name of a company who will make cables to whatever length you want. As usual I did not bookmark or write that information down.

Posted by: jimkelly Oct 6 2013, 05:12 PM

here is one mention I found.
thread: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=216444&hl=Control+Cables
direct link: http://store.controlcables.com/servlet/StoreFront
but having the right cables in hand would make reverse engineering a bit easier : )

here is an alternate setup

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=110974&hl=eg33+subaru

Posted by: CptTripps Oct 6 2013, 05:15 PM

Awesome thread man. Thanks so much. Exactly what I was looking for. I was going to at with welding up some pieces to see if I can get it close to as clean as what you have. Yours is definitely the benchmark.

Posted by: Chris H. Oct 6 2013, 05:32 PM

That's the one Jim. Control Cables...thank you. Sounds like the ticket for custom length.

Posted by: BIGKAT_83 Oct 6 2013, 05:33 PM

Heres where I got my cables from http://store.controlcables.com/servlet/StoreFront
When I measured for them I used ploy tubing to get the correct length.

Bob

Posted by: jd74914 Oct 6 2013, 06:23 PM

If you are looking for a second source we get Morse (push-pull) cables for our race cars from Midwest Controls.

http://www.midwestcontrol.com/part_family.php?id=3

Posted by: DBCooper Oct 7 2013, 06:14 AM

As a community service I'd suggest that when whoever is first up makes their shifter parts they do dimensional sketches at the same time, then once it's sorted make up a dozen sets of brackets. It's just flat stock, simple and cheap. There are that many Subaru transmission projects, and no point in all twelve folks repeating the same work when one could do it for all.

And If anyone feels really entrepreneurial take a look at what it would take to adapt the bracket design to fit 901 transmissions, side and tail shift. These cables work better than the aftermarket shifters I've tried, and are far less expensive. There are more than a few people out there who would love to get their 901's shifting better. It's the perfect solution for those poor tail shifter guys, no need to convert to side shifter. I know that Ian intended to do this, and the good Dr. Evil has mentioned it, but it's still waiting for someone to pick it up and run with it. Anyone who wants to drive my car to verify any of this is purely welcome.

Posted by: jimkelly Oct 7 2013, 07:11 AM

seems that for those using ian's trans hangers, one could weld some brackets to the drivers side bracket, using db's general cable mounting points.

Posted by: mepstein Oct 7 2013, 07:29 AM

I agree. An 914 world, in house effort, would be nice instead of just counting on an aftermarket supplier to make this for us. And doing the 901 trans as well as the subie is a great idea.

Posted by: jimkelly Oct 8 2013, 10:57 AM

let's see how he makes out with his Teleflex cables?

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=220712



jim

Posted by: CptTripps Oct 9 2013, 09:05 PM

I'd love to find someone that could make me a shift linkage like DBCooper has. I'll bet getting a dozen of these made would prove fruitful for someone. Perhaps we could get a group buy together and have someone make them for us?

I'll be using Ian's cradle too, so welding a few more pieces onto it could be easily done.

Posted by: DBCooper Oct 10 2013, 06:14 AM

If we could get a few people together I think I could duplicate mine and get a few made. If you're interested let me know. Only problem is that the throw on this one was calibrated for the MR2 shifter, so if you're using some other shifter that would probably change. I might be able to accommodate that too, but will need to find out. So if you're interested let me know. If I'm taking things apart I could probably get the cables made as well (they were custom from a shop in Fresno) so all you'd need to do would be find and install the MR2 shifter.

EDIT: Hold up. Re-reading Doug's post about Ian's cradle, and then looking at the photo in Jim's post, there's a kind of funny drop to the transmission mount, looks like angle iron. I remember talking about that when he was designing it, and think that was to accommodate using either a 901 or Subaru transmission with the same cradle. I can't see well in those photos, but it could be that that mount would interfere with the main cable locator bracket and where the cable runs. Would it be possible to get more detailed photos from different angles, to try to see if there would be interference before I take mine apart to make copies?

Posted by: Chris H. Oct 10 2013, 06:47 AM

I'll shoot some in the next day or two. My engine and trans are installed and waiting for clutch, throttle cable, shifter setup, etc. Just let me know if there are any specific pics you know that need. Otherwise I will just shoot 10 or so and we can go from there.

And BTW I would definitely buy a setup from you DB. I have the Honda shifter but would change if I can get this all in one kit. Seems like the reason why we don't see as many cable shifter/Subie trans swaps in the group is the concern over our individual abilities to fabricate a cable setup that is as good or better than the stock 914 linkage. We WANT to do it ourselves but we do not all have the engineering skills. This could be a big step!

Posted by: Chris H. Oct 12 2013, 02:59 PM

DB, do any of these help? I just noticed a couple of threaded holes in what looks like a good location on my trans to bolt a bracket to. You'll see them in the pics. Hopefully this is a common layout. There are a couple inches of clearance between the trans mount and the trans as you can see and I wouldn't have a problem notching it a bit if necessary. It's over-engineered (that's a good thing) and most of the weight is in the front with this layout.









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Posted by: CptTripps Oct 12 2013, 07:06 PM

I think we'd ALL buy MR2 shifters if it made things easier. (I've already bought one.)

This is EXACTLY right. If I had the tools, I'd be building this stuff all day, but the reality is, I would rather just pay for something that's already done right. (or close, that I could modify.)

Posted by: mepstein Oct 12 2013, 08:46 PM

DBCooper's cable shifter on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncmaxYd1WNI

Posted by: DBCooper Oct 13 2013, 07:41 AM

Those are the holes used for the transmission bracket in my setup, and that measure, looks about 1-3/4 to 2-1/2 inches, puts that angle iron right in the middle of where the cable runs for my shifter. Means that what I have won't work in the current form with that cradle.

There are a couple of solutions, a bell crank, or an extension of the mounting point on the shift rod bracket, so the cable can run parallel with and closer to the transmission, so it fits in that 1-3/4" space between that angle iron and the trans case. Unfortunately that extends the cable mounting point outwards from the shift rod, meaning that cable end will move more, up and down, when the shift rod is rotated. I don't know if there is enough cable beyond the bracket where it mounts to let it flex enough for that.

Another possibility is drilling a hole right through that angle iron, threading the cable through the hole, and mounting the cable sheath there. You say it's over engineered, and it looks huge, do you think it's strong enough to maintain strength with a 3/4" hole through it? It looks like the angle iron comes down at quite an angle, which may make doing that problematic. The bad thing about a mount that's not on the transmission itself is that it can flex independently of the transmission, moving the cable end and the shift rod in ways that aren't good. But that all looks solid, no soft mounts anywhere between the cradle and the transmission. Anyway, give that some thought, and give me a a little time to see what's possible.

Posted by: Chris H. Oct 13 2013, 08:05 AM

Let me get you a better straight on pic of that hanger with a 3/4 hole outline on it (probably in the wrong spot but who cares ). My opinion is that it would be strong enough. You can actually unbolt the mounts and the trans only falls a couple of inches or so. If the hanger seems too thin after the mod material can be added to strengthen it very easily. I'm sure you agree its key to use the SAME setup for every application if possible. You don't want to get in the "long-distance custom cable shifter cable bracket mount" business. Painful man, painful.

BTW what year is your MR2 shifter? Gonna start trolling Craigslist for a deal just in case.

Posted by: effutuo101 Oct 13 2013, 10:07 AM

I also have a MR2 shifter that I want to use. I don't have the year handy, but if somebody decides to build, I will buy. Otherwise, when I get back, this is the next project on my list as well as a radiator mount.

Posted by: CptTripps Oct 13 2013, 10:31 AM

That's exactly what I was going to monkey around with. At least for one of the two cables. Then, work on some sort of a link for the other that could easily be welded in place to accommodate the spacing and shifter. I was going to build it out of 1/4" plywood and then have a metal version made by someone local with a TIG. If it proves easy enough, I'm guessing that I could just put the plans up here for people to print out and take to a local welder.

Thoughts?

Posted by: IM101 Oct 13 2013, 02:10 PM

This thread is killing me... It would be so easy to get a bracket made if I had all my stuff with me and space to do it... I think I was over thinking it before, had a design for a bell crank style set up just never had time cut/weld a prototype and then get it in cad and send it off to laser. I was trying to make it so both cables were the same length and would run nice and neat parallel to the trans to avoid any binding issues that could arise from having one cable go off to the side. DB do you have a shot of how you run your cables, I take it you don't have any issues with binding...

Well shit, now just when I was getting some cash coming in from the new job, and looking for a shop to open up in they decide to change things up and basically lay me off... Maybe I will just have to make the drive back to Oregon this weekend grab what I need to get it done and see if i can piss off the apartment complex just do it in the parking lot...

Posted by: effutuo101 Oct 13 2013, 02:23 PM

Go for it. I think there are an easy 20 sets to sell now. I think my headers will get in the way if I run them straight out of the car to the tranny.

Posted by: jimkelly Oct 13 2013, 03:26 PM

pic from db's thread

Posted by: DBCooper Oct 13 2013, 04:27 PM

No, nice curves so no binding (that's my car in Jim's photo, above). Longer cables let you come in to the shift rod at 90 degrees for the rotation, and parallel to the rod for the in-out, which is what you want to keep the mechanism simple. Works great.

I don't really want to make these, so if you can that's perfect. What kind of job are you looking for, anyway? Was the major engineering? Any way you could use your job search to turn up a small fab shop that would let you work with them on some projects? Reason I say that is that custom fab shops tend to know who's doing what in town, even when they aren't directly involved. And better, can give great referrals. Or some serious hobbyist you could team up with to make a few parts for a cut? A Craigslist ad?

Posted by: Chris H. Oct 13 2013, 06:28 PM

Alright now we're getting somewhere! Ian once you figure out what you are going to charge why not take deposits to help with your cash flow? Lots of people are stuck at this point in our conversions and would rather not try to make these ourselves. Let us know your thoughts. Don't get thrown out of your apartment though! Not worth it.

Posted by: IM101 Oct 13 2013, 10:11 PM

DB,
Cool, I think that'll be the way I go then... Shouldn't be too hard to adapt your design around the cradle system, and with the shape of the pieces I'll probably be able to draft them in a way where I wont need a fixture to weld it a big plus .

As for the job, really just looking to get onto a sales team, some cool tech or software firm would be ideal. At this point though, just looking for something with a salary and health benefits.
Looking back, engineering would have been cool, I just never liked academics, math especially and engineering is all about the math haha. don't get me wrong, I love knowledge acquisition but just could never get into the classroom setting...

Anyway here is my linkedin if anyone has any random leads in Boise http://lnkd.in/s5KCRJ

Chris:
As tempting as it is to do advance deposits, I don't think I will. I've just seen it go sideways too many times, even personally... Remember the axles that were supposed to take 3 weeks, but ended up taking what 4 months for the manufacture to get to me, no thanks . I should have enough to do a production run on these without too much problem.

Posted by: CptTripps Oct 14 2013, 04:54 PM

Can't help you with a job in PNW, but I'm absolutely down for buying the parts for the shifter!

Posted by: r_towle Oct 14 2013, 05:16 PM

Connect with me on linkedin so I can see your profile.

Rich

Posted by: DBCooper Oct 23 2013, 07:50 PM

Just to be clear, I'm thinking that means you intend to do this, so I haven't done anything more. If that's wrong let me know. And if you want more information, for example me taking the brackets off the car and photographing with dimensions or whatever, just let me know.

Posted by: IM101 Oct 24 2013, 09:34 AM

Yep I'm on it, just trying to figure out where to get it done at, there aren't any 220 outlets that i can use at the apartment haha. really some more exact dimensions would be nice but not the end of the world if you can't get them, (don't need to injure your back anymore), most likely will just have to do it myself when i get my hands on all the parts.

-Ian

Posted by: CptTripps Oct 24 2013, 09:44 AM

::: Waiting patiently ::::

Another thing that'd be helpful is if we could find someplace to get the cables. A "standard" order to be used with an MR2 shifter would be awesome.

I was looking at the Boxster shifters too. They seem to be readily available on eBay with cables for about $200. I wonder if those might work? Or are the cables too short?

eg: http://r.ebay.com/JfPFfK or http://r.ebay.com/PzZSJR

(There are more that are nicer looking, but those were a couple of examples I could find quickly.)

Posted by: IM101 Oct 24 2013, 09:53 AM

Well there were some places mentioned earlier in the thread that im looking into just for pricing sake but i do have a spot that i can order custom length/set up cables in bulk... probably will do that and sell it as a kit to make it easy for everyone.

the boxter shifter may work, but the cables are a bit too short. I have an mr2 shifter that i will be basing it off of... but really that portion is up to you guys as i don't have access to my 914 at the moment.

Posted by: CptTripps Oct 24 2013, 10:00 AM

Awesome. Keep me in the loop, and make sure I'm at the top of the list please. ;-)

I also need to get a set of your engine mounts...I forgot to buy those from you when I was ordering before...let me know.

Posted by: Chris H. Oct 24 2013, 10:05 AM

220/221...whatever it takes. The '80's movies are haunting me this week...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX3kxAA2L4Q


Hey if there's a line forming I'd like to be in it as well. As long as I get a setup from the first "run" I'm good.

Posted by: skeates Oct 24 2013, 10:10 AM

That's actually the route I was looking into. In particular, I was going to figure out if I could modify the Boxter's linkage at the transmission to work with the Subaru shifter. If not I don't think it would be all that difficult to replicate. I really like the compactness of having both of the control cables coming in parallel.

Posted by: CptTripps Nov 8 2013, 02:23 PM

Do we (collectively) have any idea what control cable length/connection we should be buying? I found these on McMaster's website.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#push/pull-control-cable/=paks99

I was thinking "3125K73" the Low Friction Grooved Mount 6 ft. cable with a max 4" stroke for $64 ea.

Posted by: Chris H. Nov 9 2013, 12:33 PM

After seeing how much slack the side-to-side one needs I'm worried that one might be slightly too short but what do I know ? I think Bob's idea of using a length of plastic tubing to measure it roughly is what we should do. Hey DB, any chance you could measure yours or get a rough measurement of the lengths? (THE CABLES DB, THE SHIFTER CABLES ).

Posted by: DBCooper Nov 9 2013, 03:44 PM

Car isn't here now but I'll try to measure over the next few days, maybe tomorrow. I seem to remember 9 feet and 11, but intuitively that doesn't seem right, so let me check.

Posted by: DBCooper Nov 15 2013, 10:15 AM

Unfortunately I torqued my back again. It's 914 related at least, I was trying to lift some heavy and awkward 914 parts out of the trunk of my car. It's not as bad as last time so I'll probably be mobile again by this weekend and I'll measure those cables then. Sure wish I could flip the car over onto it's back so I wouldn't have to get down on the ground. This getting old shit sucks.

Posted by: 76-914 Nov 15 2013, 10:36 AM

Chris, from what I could see you don't need to get it down to the inch. And how you route it will determine your particular length. I ordered 7'6" & 9'6". I was going to PM you with the info next week.

Posted by: Chris H. Nov 15 2013, 10:55 AM

Thanks Kent! I was hoping they didn't have to be perfect...so it's OK for them to be too long but not too short...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD_xWrhZ8yI


Where's you buy the cables?

DB, sorry about your back again. That stinks.

Posted by: d914 Nov 15 2013, 03:20 PM

mine are 7ft and 9 ft

Posted by: 76-914 Nov 15 2013, 07:17 PM

I think that is pretty much right on but I'm leaving myself an extra 6" in case I missed something. And Chris, err to the + side when measuring, It's easy to displace the extra cable but hard to stretch it. Bought them from control cables in ste fe springs, ca. I'll post all the measurements next week after the cables are installed. Right now my mind keeps drifting off to placing 2 servos vs cables, one day It should be simple enough mechanically but the electrical would be tough.

Posted by: DBCooper Nov 17 2013, 06:10 PM

Sorry, still not up for it, but some time this week for sure.

Posted by: Chris H. Nov 17 2013, 06:39 PM

I think we're good DB, don't chance another back episode crawling around under the car with a tape measure. 9-ish feet and 7-ish feet seem to be the safe bets. If they are a little long we can always zip-tie 'em. Plus Kent will do his install soon and we can get another perspective there.

The lesson here is that the cables need to be much longer than I/we initially thought. Your pics were very helpful there. Would have never thought that side motion cable had that much of an arc to it. Thanks again for your help so far. Hope your back gets better soon!

Posted by: IM101 Nov 26 2013, 04:28 PM

Hey guys, just wanted to let everyone on this thread know that i am officially reopening in December. Going to move the rest of the shop over during/after thanksgiving and get some cable shifters out before Christmas!

just fyi I also plan on ordering cables to fit in bulk to cut down costs for everyone.

Finally Fabricating again soon

Posted by: effutuo101 Nov 26 2013, 05:44 PM

Just let me know. I am ready to buy this and the half shafts.

Posted by: IM101 Dec 9 2013, 02:13 PM

Im getting settled into the new shop today, planning on getting the prototype shifter built this week, turing it into a CAD drawing and sending it to laser cutting. Hope to have production models finished ready to ship the end of next week.
-Ian

Posted by: Chris H. Dec 9 2013, 02:18 PM

Cool Ian. So what will the setup come with exactly?

Posted by: IM101 Dec 9 2013, 02:31 PM

Well, for the immediate future just the hardware and bracket for the transmission end. the Cables themselves will be added as soon as possible afterward. I don't have the capital to bulk order cables at the moment, nor exact measurements to order with.

Posted by: Chris H. Dec 9 2013, 02:42 PM

OK that works. Reason I ask is I'd actually rather use my own shifter which is a Honda Accord unit so the measurements wouldn't be the same as an MR2 or other Toyota shifter anyway. In looking at Kent's thread it seems that once you get a good bracket for the trans end the rest falls into place.

Posted by: IM101 Dec 9 2013, 03:12 PM

Makes sense... really it should not matter which front end system you go with, the cables should be long enough to cater to most of the systems out there.

Oh and I might mention, while I'm on a cable shift fabrication stint, I have a 901 sideshift that is calling my name... will probably get to it the in the first part of the year.

Posted by: kevin311 Dec 9 2013, 03:15 PM

When measuring my shifter cables I just used a long length of copper wire tied to each mounting point and added 6 inches for wiggle room and that was my full length.

Posted by: IM101 Dec 9 2013, 03:31 PM

That is probably what I'm going to do... But I don't have my 914 with me at the moment and I want to be 100% sure of the fitment before i order a bunch of cables 1" to short...

Posted by: CptTripps Dec 9 2013, 03:46 PM

This is awesome news. I'm also VERY glad that you aren't attaching it to your engine cradle. I JUST got mine back from powder-coating...and it'd suck to have to scrape/weld/re-coat.

Put me down for 1...as soon as you have them ready!

Posted by: AfricanHijinx Dec 9 2013, 03:57 PM

i am in for a set

Posted by: 76-914 Dec 9 2013, 04:39 PM

FYI, your lookng at about 150 for a pair of cables with ends

Posted by: IM101 Dec 9 2013, 05:34 PM

Thanks, that's about where I had them priced for the good ones. hopefully ill be able to get the price a little lower by ordering in bulk.

Posted by: CptTripps Dec 9 2013, 05:53 PM

So are we talking $200-$250 for the bracket and cables?

Just curious.

Posted by: 76-914 Dec 10 2013, 11:53 AM

If you use wire as a measuring stick be sure to allow for the correct min radius. Bob's method (w/ the plastic tube) insures you won't make it too tight of a turn. You will notice a bit of drag as you approach min radius so try to make gradual turns. Someone mentioned 4" throw cables. The tranny has < 2" travel so 4"' travels too long. 2" travel is enough. 1/4" cables are all you need.

Posted by: Chris H. Dec 10 2013, 12:04 PM

Thanks Kent.

Posted by: IM101 Dec 10 2013, 02:06 PM

It will depend on laser cutting and steal costs, but I don't see it being to much more than that range.

Posted by: IM101 Dec 10 2013, 02:08 PM

Yes thanks Kent, DBCooper, and everyone else who has contributed to this.

Posted by: CptTripps Dec 10 2013, 02:31 PM

Awesome. Put me on the list...or even to test something. I'm happy to help however I can. I'll be test-fitting the engine/trans in a few weeks.

Posted by: DBCooper Dec 24 2013, 11:52 AM

Ditto on the awesome. Now take a quick look at this Grassroots Motorsports video of the installation of the cable shifter from Factory Five for the Subaru transmisssion (converted to two-wheel drive) in their 818 kit car.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Y1u8pJwjM



What's cool is that the transmission linkage looks exactly like what y'all are doing, so you're good. In fact it looks so similar I wonder if they didn't watch the original video of that for my car. Whatever, it's an affirmation. The cabin shifter mechanism is different, appears custom, new, all plastic (!), and cables-forward, but works the same way. And if you aren't into fabricating you could probably buy just the shifter parts from Factory Five if that made sense for you and your project. Can't imagine it would be cheap, but it's another alternative.

A thought I've had in watching the 818 develop is that a 914 with a WRX engine/transmission isn't all that different than what they're putting together. The 914 is 200-250 lbs heavier, but that's like taking your big beer drinking friend along when you go for a ride in the 818. Plus the 914 has roll-up windows and other amenities, so not a bad adder for anything less than full-on race car. I've thought about getting an 818, it's sure good looking, but can't imagine it would be that much more of a thrill than what I already have.

Posted by: DBCooper Dec 24 2013, 01:12 PM

Saw this photo in the FF 818 forum of their rear brackets:



I wonder if someone should tell them the angles are off and that's too small a radius on that cable, it won't last. It's weird reading their posts, they're just getting to things we've done some time ago, speculating how it might work.

Posted by: andys Dec 24 2013, 03:39 PM

Your observation is sound indeed. Of all the conditions proper for cable longevity, alignment and actuation normal to the axis are crucial, in my experience. Look at the Boxster cable shift mechanism, and you'll see proper execution where the cables make a straight shot at the linkage pick up points. You'll also notice no big looping of the cables.....Think about it, when you loop a cable like some vendors products do, any force applied essentially tries to straighten the cable. These push-pull cables work best and last the longest when they are as straight as possible.

Andys

Posted by: DBCooper Dec 24 2013, 04:52 PM

That's true to a point. I'm not familiar with the Boxster cable mechanism so can't compare, but isn't the rotational motion in that transmission made internally? If so it's not really possible to duplicate it on the Subaru transmission, which works like a 901 tailshift. But the reason to use cables is to be able to make curves, and sometimes putting in a curve means you can simplify the rest of the mechanism. For example the curve in that cable eliminates the need for a bell crank or other mechanism to change rotation, so all in all a pretty good trade.

As long as you stay within specs that cable ought to outlast the rest of the car. It just seems to me from the cables I've seen that Factory Five setup is a bit too tight. They may be using a different cable with different specs, I don't know, but there's no excuse for not aligning the brackets with the cable's pull direction.

Posted by: drive-ability Dec 26 2013, 02:27 AM

Great info !!!!

Posted by: 76-914 Dec 26 2013, 08:51 AM

Good eye, DB. Don't use the bracket to str8n the cable. It should be properly aligned before passing thru the bracket. Also, check your manufacturers min bend radius on the cables that you buy. Sent from the "from Land of BBQ" on my IPhone.

Posted by: IM101 Dec 26 2013, 01:46 PM

Hey guys,
I have the first production prototype drawing at laser cutting, the holidays ended up delaying parts for the cradles and now the shifter a little bit, but I really like the deign and think its going to be a winner.

I agree with what you guys are saying on the straitness/mounting of the cables, which is why I decided to go with bell crank in the design. It keeps both cables the same length, strait through their entirety, and pretty flush against the transmission. I also found a nice bell crank with a sealed bearing to reduce the drag as much as possible.

Ill report back when i get the part back from laser and can do a final test mount.

-Ian

Posted by: effutuo101 Dec 26 2013, 01:51 PM

Hi Ian, I am available to test immediately. Trans and motor are in, mR2 shifter in hand and ready to be installed.
Looking good!

Posted by: Chris H. Dec 26 2013, 02:14 PM

YES! Bring it! Ready whenever they're done.

Posted by: IM101 Jan 14 2014, 05:27 PM

Just a teaser shot of the production prototype. Everything is clearing perfectly, can't wait to get if finished up, very fun working on this product.

Posted by: effutuo101 Jan 14 2014, 05:31 PM

need. need soon! once I have this and the half shafts I can finish my exhaust!




this year maybe!

Posted by: Chris H. Jan 14 2014, 05:34 PM

Very nice! Was JUST about to bump this.

Posted by: skeates Jan 15 2014, 12:36 PM

Ian, that looks awesome! I was planning to do exactly that on my project, but now it looks like you've saved me some time :-)...and cost me some money...

Posted by: CptTripps Jan 15 2014, 12:59 PM

Ian, I have no doubt that you'll get this done well...but I can't for the life of me figure out that picture. looks like they're both pushing/pulling on the same axis.

Like I've said a number of times....put me on the list ASAP. I'm happy to pay for a 'tester' product if need-be.

Posted by: jimkelly Jan 15 2014, 02:26 PM

the cable connected to the bell crank rotates the shift rod clockwise and counter. the bell crank change the direction of movement from forward/backward to up/down, it seems.

the other pushes and pulls it, I think.

looks great

Posted by: IM101 Jan 15 2014, 02:45 PM

Jim has it right, as I said earlier in the thread, decided to go with the cables routed parallel and use a bell crank at the end get the twisting motion on the shift rod. It's great because I can get both cables the same length and pass the savings on, Just need to finish fabbing the last part and get it on one of my other transmissions to do a dry test.
-Ian

Posted by: CptTripps Jan 15 2014, 02:59 PM

AHHHH!!! I get it now. :doh:

Very cool. Can't wait!

Posted by: effutuo101 Jan 15 2014, 03:41 PM

come on Ian!

Posted by: rnellums Jan 15 2014, 03:42 PM

Yes. Buying this when finished.

Posted by: effutuo101 Jan 15 2014, 03:43 PM

I think that makes 5 of us he has stacked up here waiting!

Posted by: 76-914 Jan 15 2014, 03:54 PM

Playing the devil's advocate with "0" engineering experience ; how many moving parts have you added and will your bearing require protection from the elements or maintenance?

Posted by: skeates Jan 16 2014, 12:48 AM

Well - if you don't count the two heim joints that I assume will connect the bell crank to the gear selector then the bearing/bell crank is the only additional moving part

Posted by: IanJ Jan 16 2014, 01:18 AM

6...Ian is your email address still valid?

Posted by: Chris H. Jan 16 2014, 07:18 AM

LOL! It's more than 6 I'm sure.....feels like junior high waiting in line for concert tickets..."hey quit shovin' man! I been here since last Tuesday!"

Posted by: CptTripps Jan 16 2014, 08:43 AM

I'm not going to have my car on the road for another 60-90 days, but I want to get ALL the parts I need as soon as possible, so I can keep going when I'm in the garage. This is one of the final pieces to my puzzle. I was worried about having to figure out how to fabricate something, and hoping that someone would have SOMETHING made up before I needed them.

Looks like my wish came true!

Posted by: IM101 Jan 16 2014, 11:31 AM

Good question, not many more moving parts were added but I did take special care to source a sealed bearing that will not have any issues in the elements. Furthermore when I designed the cables, I sought the advice of the manufacturer (midwest control) trying to figure out which rod end would hold up to the exposure under a street vehicle, as well as in the sand for any guys building dune buggies with a subaru transmission. The answer was using their high quality stainless rod end, with a stainless race, A little more expensive but it should hold up to sand and road grime just fine.

Posted by: IM101 Jan 16 2014, 09:14 PM

Today went Awesome! Have not had so much fabricating in a while. Happend to find everything I need to build the last part of the shifter, and it will be easy enough to make it in house rather than get it machined. Ill try to get it all buttoned up tomorrow and post a video of it working.

Posted by: CptTripps Jan 16 2014, 09:28 PM

Can't wait. This is exciting shit.

Posted by: 914forme Jan 16 2014, 09:58 PM

Yep, Im here also, standing in line hopping the concerts not canceled by finding a brown M&M back stage.

Posted by: jimkelly Jan 17 2014, 05:49 AM

we'll see soon enough - but does the mr2 shifter (1991-1995 model) you are using looks like this one?




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Posted by: 914forme Jan 17 2014, 06:04 AM

Thats what I got sitting on my shelf. They are pretty cheap still, cable connectors set to go in the proper direction, though I'm doubting I'll be using the base. Maybe as a sacrificial lamb. I like these because its easy to change the shift trough ratios. You just move the attachment point on the shifter. Grind, move, tack, test, weld, done.

Posted by: IM101 Jan 17 2014, 09:38 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_e9jk6z83k

Posted by: mepstein Jan 17 2014, 09:48 PM

Ian - Will you be making one for a 901 trans or just subie?

Posted by: IM101 Jan 17 2014, 09:54 PM

Definitely, just a matter when. Looks like I finally landed a job (inside sales) that will be paying the bills but taking up more of my time.

fabbing for the 914 is still a passion tho, so I'm sure it'll be sometime this year.

Posted by: IM101 Jan 17 2014, 09:57 PM

That is the style that I'm using, though it looks like there should be some cutting or yet another design project, as the cables don't like the OEM shifter housing...

Posted by: skeates Jan 17 2014, 10:42 PM

Ian - do you have a close up of the linkage you are using to connect the bell crank to the gear selector? Are you using little ball joints?

Posted by: IM101 Jan 17 2014, 10:48 PM

They are small ball joints, one of things i will be changing for the production model, just needed something to get me by for the prototype that also gives acurate dimensions.

Posted by: effutuo101 Jan 17 2014, 11:32 PM

Ship date? Bill me for the shifter and the half shafts please!

Posted by: skeates Jan 18 2014, 12:10 AM

That make a ton of sense. I love the way you're going with it, can't wait to see the final version!

Posted by: jimkelly Jan 18 2014, 09:38 AM

looks great!

Posted by: ruby914 Jan 18 2014, 11:13 AM

Ian,
I used the MR2 shifter on my car with the 901 trany. I recall debating if I wanted the 914 shift pattern or first gear forward. I ended up putting 1st forward, as I felt it is a more normal pattern. The down side of this is both of my cars are different
I was just curious if you kept the 914 shift pattern with 1st gear back, reverse forward?

Posted by: my928s4 Jan 18 2014, 03:23 PM

Getting there Ian !! Looking forward to getting this on the car

Posted by: Chris H. Jan 18 2014, 07:43 PM

Looks like it shifts really smooth. Nice work!

Glad you found a job as well. Started in sales a LOOONG time ago myself. I'm sure you'll do great.

Posted by: IM101 Jan 18 2014, 08:30 PM

Mike, I went with the subaru OEM pattern, 1st forward. Figured keeping it that way would be better just for non 914 applications.

Posted by: CptTripps Jan 18 2014, 08:47 PM

Bravo sir! Can't wait!!!

Posted by: hsus2k Jan 20 2014, 09:23 AM

Looks great! I'm also waiting for one!
Just add one more on the list
Thanks,
Dennis

Posted by: CptTripps Jan 20 2014, 06:32 PM

So I've watched this a few times, and sent you a thought or two.

I'm SURE you're ahead of us on this, but in care you aren't...thought I'd throw a few ideas at you.

Posted by: 76-914 Jan 21 2014, 10:31 AM

What size cables are you using, Ian? These are 1/4" on the MR2 shifter. Did you go 5/16"?

Posted by: IM101 Jan 21 2014, 09:41 PM

Nope I went 1/4, strange that it looks like yours fit into the mr2 nicely...

Posted by: CptTripps Jan 21 2014, 10:04 PM

Nice pillow!

Posted by: 76-914 Jan 21 2014, 10:35 PM

IIRC, I tweaked the opening w/ a small crescent so that the opening is offset then they drop right in. After that straighten the opening back in line. Does that make sense? If not I'll shoot a photo. The next snag on that shifter is the 8mm stud. You need to grind it off and weld in a 1/4" stud for the heim joint. Clearances get tight between the shifting mechanisms and you may need to file the head of a bold down. Or use clevis pins for more clearance. And that pillow is a great comfort to my ancient old ass.

Posted by: ruby914 Jan 21 2014, 11:04 PM

Or you could bend the mechanisms to the left some.

I would of put a photo over at NARP but didn't have a place to put it

This is what I came up with. I did have the same interference. one other thing that helped me is moving the pivot mount on the shift shaft up a little. I moved it up and down and bent the shaft forward and back more than once looking for the best feel and location. Moving the pivot up gives you a shorter shift stroke. this can also be changed by the rear linkage. The spring on the left is my reverse lock out. It keeps naturally in 2nd and 3rd position. A little resistance to 1st and reverse. I also had to cut open the cable slots and relocate them forward or aft for some reason.
The riser is offset and tilted to the driver and up in the front.

And yes, I had a cushion too.


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Posted by: IanJ Jan 22 2014, 04:04 PM

Ruby is your shift from an earlier MR2 (AW11)and the others are the later models (SW20)?
In the pics they look like different base plates.

Posted by: rnellums Jan 22 2014, 04:14 PM

JimKelley's shifter looks just like mine, our of a first gen MR2.

Posted by: ruby914 Jan 22 2014, 06:06 PM

I have no idea. I did a lot of cutting and bending. That's how it is now.
Honestly I don't recall. Now that I look at others, I may have made a completely new base plate out of 4" tube? I'm getting old.

Posted by: effutuo101 Jan 29 2014, 02:26 PM

bump for this week.

Posted by: CptTripps Jan 29 2014, 07:46 PM

He's close...

Posted by: 914forme Jan 30 2014, 10:11 PM

II'm ready, Ian, you can aded one to my shipment

Posted by: IM101 Feb 2 2014, 10:48 PM

Yep, The laser cutting finished friday and its on a truck to Boise. Should be able to start producing these this week.

I will keep you guys up to date.

Posted by: Chris H. Feb 3 2014, 06:20 AM

Great news!

Posted by: effutuo101 Feb 3 2014, 10:53 AM

cool! excited.

Posted by: rnellums Feb 3 2014, 10:57 AM

Looks like it's about time to blow my paycheck on conversion parts!

Posted by: edwin Feb 3 2014, 04:39 PM

Are you able to produce something that neat for the 901 box
I was never a fan of bending and twisting the cables so your bell crank system looks fantastic
Cheers
Edwin

Posted by: IM101 Feb 3 2014, 07:52 PM

Well I am planning on building a system for the 901 side shift but a bell crank with that setup might b a bit more tricky to pull off... Then again really need to sit down and look at it before I know for sure.

Posted by: ruby914 Feb 3 2014, 08:59 PM

Ian,
I saw a cable shift folder on my laptop at home. It had Catia files. Not sure what is in there, they may give you some ideas, I'll take a look when I get home. It is hard to see but I used somewhat of a bellcrank system. This is from NARP.
Mike


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Posted by: ruby914 Feb 4 2014, 03:04 AM

Well, the name of the folder is Cable tail shift.
I had this on the car until I broke first gear. I didn't make a cad file for the side shift but it works about the same way. Bell crank operates a brass or nylon, pivoting and sliding block that pushes and pulls the shift shaft in and out.[attachmentid=435338]

Why is that photo a download?


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Posted by: CptTripps Feb 4 2014, 04:30 AM

Windows Bitmap images can't be displayed by browsers. (Never have) They're the digital equilivent of Leaded Gasoline.

Posted by: jimkelly Feb 4 2014, 05:29 AM

here is ruby914 bmp as a jpg

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Posted by: effutuo101 Feb 7 2014, 10:44 AM

Once I have half shafts and shifting in, I can start on my exhaust.

Anybody want to go halves on a exhaust cut out? they come in pairs....
http://quicktimeperformance.com/QTEC/

Posted by: effutuo101 Feb 10 2014, 04:13 PM

Pestering Ian.

Posted by: CptTripps Feb 11 2014, 05:23 AM

He's been busy with a new job. I expect we'll see Ian later this week. Hopefully, he's got good news for us.

Posted by: IM101 Feb 11 2014, 08:17 AM

Parts are in mostly. One of thr laser cut pieces got miss cut don't know if it was my fault or there's, but they are at a local machinist getting fixed. Getting there...

Ian

Posted by: effutuo101 Feb 19 2014, 02:01 PM

Ding!

Posted by: IM101 Feb 20 2014, 09:24 AM

Hey guys sorry for the delay the last couple of weeks. As I mentioned I got a new job, basically its a temp position on a sales team that will turn into a salaried position at the end of March, based on performance of course. A the moment going 110% in that arena is my focus... Have to pay the bills and make sure the new wife is taken care of. I have been working on the cable shift whenever I get the chance.

I should *Should* be able to finish a production run this weekend.

thanks for keeping me accountable haha.. don't stop its nice to have the pressure from all sides!

Posted by: Chris H. Feb 20 2014, 04:44 PM

"Probationary period" eh? Close those deals! Thanks for the update Ian.

Posted by: 76-914 Feb 20 2014, 05:07 PM

Hurry up Ian, I'm getting pm's. Seriously, you guy's are going to be so happy w/ the cable shift you won't remember the wait.

Posted by: skeates Feb 20 2014, 05:25 PM

Can't wait to see the final product Ian! Based on our conversations in Boise I bet this thing will be solid and worth the $$$

Posted by: CptTripps Feb 21 2014, 11:54 AM

I'd rather wait, and have it "right" the first time.

Posted by: ruby914 Feb 21 2014, 12:04 PM

Come on Ian, lets go. Chop chop..
No, I dont need one as of yet, just try to do my part

Posted by: CptTripps Feb 26 2014, 09:08 AM

Does anyone have measurements on WHERE I need to mount the MR2 shifter? I am starting work on the interior pieces while I have the car out for sandblasting, and need to know where the shifter will mount ultimately.

If I have a starting point off of the firewall, that'd help me a lot.

Posted by: ruby914 Feb 26 2014, 02:59 PM

Sit in the car and find the most comfortable place for yourself. I moved mine FWD and AFT more than once. I also placed mine close to the steering wheel.

Posted by: IM101 Mar 9 2014, 11:44 AM

Ok guys, those of you who emailed me, start checking your inboxes. should be able to start shipping these the end of this week!

Posted by: rnellums Mar 9 2014, 11:55 AM

Awesome news!!!

Posted by: Chris H. Mar 9 2014, 12:53 PM

Perfect timing. Finally starting to thaw out around here.

Posted by: my928s4 Mar 9 2014, 01:25 PM

Excellent! Looking forward to getting this installed!

Posted by: effutuo101 Mar 9 2014, 01:29 PM

Very cool!

Posted by: CptTripps Mar 9 2014, 02:12 PM

Posted by: hsus2k Mar 16 2014, 01:31 PM

What's latest on the brackets?
I haven't receive anything in PM or email.........
It's the prototype & pricing out yet?

Posted by: IM101 Mar 16 2014, 08:44 PM

Hey guys,
Got utterly slammed at work and home this week, I'm in my final week and a half of the of my contract work at the position I'm at and it has been getting very busy. Though in a good way as it's looking like my efforts will be a big part of landing two big deals, which is very good for prospects of landing a salaried position.
Then my in laws decided to visit this last week as well which blew the few hours of 914 work time that I have.

At the moment The shifter is 90% there, I just need to get some parts in from the cable providers and button up the hardware kits.

You will be getting an email from me the moment I have them ready to go.

Posted by: IM101 Mar 16 2014, 08:49 PM

Oh and I have been able to tally up my costs and formulate a price.

285$ for 914world members
375$ for non members (or custom length cables for non 914 project)

Kit includes everything you need to make it work except for the MR2(or your choice of) cable shifter.
cables, shift bracket, hardware, bellcrank arm, shift fork arm, cable mounts, etc.

Posted by: rnellums Mar 16 2014, 08:52 PM

I am so in. Thanks for all the hard work Ian!

Posted by: IM101 Mar 16 2014, 08:58 PM

Thanks I appreciate it, though I just feel bad for taking so long... Life is being pulled in many directions at the moment and I don't like making people wait.

-Ian

Posted by: effutuo101 Mar 17 2014, 12:46 AM

I am in. Pay via pay pal. Let me know!

Posted by: blitZ Mar 17 2014, 06:22 AM

I'll take one.

Thanks

Posted by: 76-914 Mar 17 2014, 07:50 AM

what brand and size cables did you end up using?

Posted by: CptTripps Mar 17 2014, 02:50 PM

Can't wait Ian!

Just in the nick of time too. My motor may "meet" the car in a week or so.

Posted by: skeates Mar 17 2014, 04:18 PM

Add me to the list of the "in" crowd!

edit: this will really make the vroom vroom sounds more realistic when I pretend to drive!

Posted by: 1stworks Mar 17 2014, 04:47 PM

Please put me on the list.

Scott

Posted by: effutuo101 Mar 21 2014, 03:48 PM

waiting on how to get you paid Ian! you are one busy guy.

Posted by: IM101 Mar 21 2014, 05:42 PM

K guys,
Going to devote the weekend to Coldwater, if I don't have shifters/cradles/axles etc. ready to go on monday, I will have given up on life and you will no longer be hearing from me... Kidding about life, but going to hopefully be hitting people up with emails this weekend. if you don't hear from me by sunday evening please hit me with a reminder email of what you ordered + your address and I will get you an invoice an payment instructions (paypal/check/cash).

Posted by: effutuo101 Mar 21 2014, 06:35 PM

Cool! So looking forward to this!

Posted by: IM101 Mar 22 2014, 05:39 PM

Building/packaging kits today!

Posted by: IanJ Mar 30 2014, 06:54 AM

Posted by: CptTripps Mar 30 2014, 07:47 AM

Can you post some pics of the assembled kit again?

I took mine apart yesterday to paint it, and am positive I'll put it back together wrong.

Posted by: 914forme Mar 30 2014, 09:05 AM

PMs. E-mails have ben sent, he's a busy guy and makes great parts so I'll wait. But please not to long, I have a race to make in May, and 2 SCCA Pro Tours races in July.

Lots to do, I need to get the hammer down.

Posted by: IM101 Mar 30 2014, 10:29 AM

Alright guys, another update...
Was about to start sending these badboys out (and emailing everyone) when i noticed a mistake in the cables (one side had been built with grooved attachment style instead of bulkhead). I sent them back to get fixed mid last week. The cables should be back this Wednesday and I will start sending them all out over the few days after.

I did send a half prototype out to CptTripps, because 1. that dude is insanely tenacious/persuasive and 2. he is going to do a final test fit on cable length (I did mine dry with a shell engine/trans in the cradle and want to make sure it will fit with the oil pan/exhaust etc).

Today, I plan on finally emailing everyone on the list with info, getting shipping addresses (feel free to pre empt me asking by sending yours to ian@coldwater914.com), and sending out invoices.

On another note. I landed the salary position!! Ended up with two separate offers, went with the guys who i have been working on contract for the last 3 months. Both Anna and I are quite excited!

Posted by: mepstein Mar 30 2014, 10:42 AM

Congrsts on the job! Always helps to have steady funding for the obsession.

Posted by: CptTripps Mar 30 2014, 03:11 PM

on the job bro. Nice!

I may have the motor in later tonight. The guy that's bringing it to me has to get it loaded and then we can get it over here. I'll bolt it up as soon as I can figure out how it goes back together. Lol.

Posted by: IM101 Mar 30 2014, 08:32 PM

Update:
I have sent out all the emails, If you did not receive one please Email me ian@coldwater914.com.

Posted by: roachghia70 Apr 7 2014, 09:35 PM

The parts look really nice, and the price is great! Nice work!

But can you provide more details about the robustness of the bell crank parts? Is there a bearing in the mechanism? I must admit, the bell crank is the only part that I am not thrilled about, because it adds an additional moving part/ mechanism. The beauty of the cables are that you're not constricted to the motion having to come from any one direction. You can flex and bend the cable, resulting in the motion coming from any angle.

That being said, if the mechanism is robust, tight, and built to last nearly forever without getting sloppy, I am definitely getting in line to buy one. The cable shifter in my dad's car is sooooo much nicer than my modified rod shifter. I'm ready to upgrade. And your prices are good enough that it might one of those parts that's worth buying done, rather than building from scratch.

Please post pictures or describe the bearing in the bell rank, if you don't mind. PM would be fine if you don't want to post those details in public.

Thanks!
Thomas

Posted by: effutuo101 Apr 8 2014, 11:58 AM

follow up email sent Ian!

Posted by: hsus2k Apr 18 2014, 08:54 AM

Any news on this Shifter Cable Kit? Updates?
Has anyone recieved the Kit or paid for them yet?

I know Ian is a busy man, but I just would like to know if someone has received the Kit already?
I haven't heard anything for alomst 2 weeks now.

Posted by: IM101 Apr 18 2014, 09:12 AM

Hey guys,
Not they have not shipped, only capttrips got the prototype.

They have been keeping me busy at the new job and it's been difficult to adjust to the 9 to 5 schedule again. But I have increased the sales opportunity pipeline from $400k to $1.6m so at least its not for nothing.

Everything for the shifters is basically ready to go. I just wanted to get one installed for a final working test fit (I had done a mock up with a bare block and trans) thus the reason for capttrips getting the prototype. really im just waiting to see that everything works as is should fit wise before i send these out and get a bunch of people mad at me =).

Posted by: IM101 Apr 18 2014, 10:14 AM

Thomas,
Don't mind posting in public . Usually I would build everything from scratch including parts like the bell crank in doing so i can beef everything up to the point where its basically indestructible under normal to severe conditions. However because I have more limited time then normal with this project I found a bell crank off the shelf.

I am not particularly thrilled with he part as it is not as robust as I would like. However it has a sealed bearing that will hold up fine to normal conditions (both weather and physical torsion forces). I even did somewhat of a torture test with a hammer and it held up fine until I really started putting some force into the blows from the worse possible angle.

End result is I'm confident it will hold up under normal to abusive conditions. however if you get the car sideways of the road and happen to slam some obstacle into the back of the transmission you may have some problems.

looking forward, I have no problems replacing any bell crank that fails. Otherwise I do plan on eventually drawing my own beefed up version and will probably let people replace the older version at cost if they want.

-Ian

Posted by: hsus2k Apr 18 2014, 10:48 AM

Thanks, Ian.
I was just worried that you might had forgot about me or missed my email or something; becasue last time I heard (in here) they were ready and you are about to send them out.
And then after 2 weeks, I still haven't heard anything from anyone.

I know you are very busy, and thank you for doing all the design and torture testing for us.

My car has just being painted and suspensions are back on and the engine is being preped; so, I'm a little excited.............

Thanks again!
Dennis

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 18 2014, 05:22 PM

Wow.
This cables-gift looks like a winner.
Well thought out and executed.
Beats the agricultural trellis-work I have now hands down.
A plan for the T-shift in the future would allow the spirited use of the early TX in sport mode.
Well Done.

Posted by: 914forme Apr 19 2014, 07:03 AM

Yes I too was starting to think I missed the boat. Hate missing the boat, water around here is still very cold.

Posted by: CptTripps Apr 21 2014, 11:27 AM

So I haven't driven mine yet, but the installation went pretty a well. There are only a few slight mods that I made to his kit. Here's what I did.

For the bolt that goes through the shift-lever at the back of the Trans, I made the holes on the attachment match the size of the hole on the bar. Then I shrink-wrapped the bolt to snug it in there before I used a lock-nut on the back.

I opened up the top hole on the bell-crank so I could put a little thicker bolt in there as well. I may have mis-matched the bolts when I was putting it back together, but the ones I had there was just a little too loose. All good now.

The cable lengths are good if you aren't looping a lot. I got them both through the hole the shift-bar went through. (One at a time.) and they fit well. If they were 2" longer, that wouldn't suck though.

Last thing is that on your MR2 shifter, you'll need to grind out a peg used for the left-right action. You'll see when you're in there, but there is NO way to get it off without a grind wheel.

Past that, the kit fits up and works real well. I can't wait to drive it (hopefully) this weekend.

Posted by: hsus2k Apr 22 2014, 08:50 AM

BTW, which MR2 shifter is everyone using (or for this Kit)?
Are all the 1st and 2nd Gen shifter the same?

I think I had an older 1st Gen shifter, but already hacked and weld so many times to fit my old cable design for my "old" engine cradle.
Now, I have Ian's engine cradle, the old cable/shifter system won't fit thru the new Trans hangers.
I'll be purchasing Ian's Shifter Cable Kit, but would like to know the correct MR2 shifter to use (model years?) before I make a mess again.........

Went back reading thru the threads and comments again, but a bit confused........on which MR2 shifter everyone perfer to use?


Thanks!
Dennis

Posted by: CptTripps Apr 22 2014, 09:49 AM

Really, as long as it looks like one of these...you'll be fine.

Earlier...later...shouldn't matter. As long as the cables go backwards, you'll be ok.

I'm looking to see if there are others that'll work as well. Something for me to do on the plane later...


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Posted by: Chris H. Apr 22 2014, 10:07 AM

I heard the 90-91 Honda Accord shifter is AWESOME which is why I bought one. You have to flip the "action" of one of the levers around from it's stock position (left-right probably) to use it but I'm gonna try it out before I buy an MR2. Probably remove the outer part like D914 did. Just need a set of separate cable mounts to do that but it looks pretty easy.

Here's a pic...from my thread but D914's setup...

Posted by: 76-914 Apr 23 2014, 08:33 AM

Keep in mind that these shifters are much shorter than stock. Sit in the car with the shifter before you bolt it down. If your not in the NBA you'll probably want to bend the new shifter's rod aft or move the entire shifter aft.

Posted by: IM101 Apr 23 2014, 09:14 AM

Hey Guys, going to start sending out quotes/invoices at lunch today, if you don't have one in your inbox by the end of the day and you want a shifter, email me.
-Ian

Posted by: 1stworks Apr 23 2014, 09:16 AM

here's my 00 mr2 shifter I'll b using.

It looks like a winner 2 me.

Posted by: Chris H. Apr 23 2014, 09:22 AM

I was thinking about bending mine to look stock-ish.

Hi Kent I'm working on it! Updates soon.

Ian,

Awesome news!!! I'll be checking the inbox.... nope...not there...nope...not there...nope...maybe I'll give it a minute.

Posted by: BIGKAT_83 Apr 23 2014, 09:24 AM

I started with a MR2 shifter and changed over to a Corolla shifter. This did need a revesal of the gear selector. I added a bearing and bell crank at the shifter. This allowed me to also set the length of travel for the shifter. It worked out fine.

You can make most any shifter work. We spent a few days in the pick and pull looking at different options.
Corolla shifer
Mounted in the car


Bob

Posted by: andys Apr 23 2014, 10:07 AM

MR2, Corolla, Celica, Mitsubishi can all be made to work, though the MR2 doesn't need to be turned around. I'd probably avoid the all plastic ones (late MR2 and Boxster), as they don't lend themselves well to modification. The Corolla/Tercel shifter Bob mentions is quite nice. I went with the Celica (after buying three different Toyota models) as it had greater gate travel that my 6 speed needed.

Andys

Posted by: IM101 Apr 24 2014, 09:36 AM

And by that I mean work is going to blow up and i won't be able to send out any until today..

So do not worry if you have not recieved anything yet....

Posted by: Chris H. Apr 24 2014, 09:39 AM

Ah...just bugged you with a PM...disregard.

Posted by: d914 Apr 24 2014, 05:03 PM

http://afhkparts.com/shop/k-tuned/billet-rsx-shifter-box/

Here is one some one needs to try.. Under $400

Posted by: CptTripps Apr 24 2014, 05:06 PM

That's bad ass...but too tall for our application, if you ask me.

Posted by: BIGKAT_83 Apr 24 2014, 06:39 PM

How tall is it. I couldn't find any drawings on it.

Posted by: 914forme Apr 24 2014, 07:03 PM

Sorry just nailed you with an e-mail.

I'm an inpatient soul at times.

Posted by: andys Apr 25 2014, 11:15 AM

Pretty impressive gadget for under $400. Lots of bolt together parts, but I like it.

Andy

Posted by: CptTripps Apr 25 2014, 11:33 AM

Here's another cool one...

http://www.hybrid-racing.com/store/rsx-shifter-by-hybrid-racing.html


I was thinking of making something like this for mine as well...

Posted by: d914 Apr 25 2014, 02:14 PM

For the more budget minded!! $55.00




http://afhkparts.com/shop/

They have several plastic ones, another version of Billet that would have cable n the tunnel or above if raised..??

Posted by: 76-914 Apr 25 2014, 03:53 PM

That's not true. You were very patient with me.

Posted by: 1stworks Apr 25 2014, 04:10 PM

Thanks for the post.

Super sick

Posted by: IM101 Apr 27 2014, 03:23 PM

Just sent out quotes to everyone who sent me an email. If you are reading this and didn't get an email but still want a setup, shoot me an email with your name, address and contact info (including your 914world Member name to get the discount).

-Ian
ian@coldwater914.com

Posted by: Chris H. Apr 27 2014, 03:37 PM

Wooo hooo!!!!! Just paid ya....

Posted by: jstnhwll Apr 30 2014, 08:24 PM

Hi Ian, I can't seem to contact you via email however I am very interested in your shifter setup. I purchased all of your other products and they have worked out wonderfully. If you could shoot me an email at: jstnahwll@gmail.com that would be great. Thanks again. Justin.

Posted by: IM101 Apr 30 2014, 09:42 PM

Justin, everyone, my apologies. As mentioned previously I'm pretty darn busy at the moment. Just expect a little bit of a lag between emails, I will try to get to everyone as they come.

-Ian

Posted by: CptTripps May 1 2014, 06:29 AM

Ian: I owe you some dimensions. I've been dealing with some family stuff, so I haven't made it to the garage in a few days. I'll get to it tonight.

Posted by: IM101 May 5 2014, 10:32 PM

Hey guys, busy as usual, been running hard at the new job, hit it at a really busy part of the year, but the good part is the Lead-gen system I'm building is resulting in some pretty darn good numbers (56% response rate on my last campaign).

Anyway, the kits are going to ship at the end of the week, Thanks for bearing with me, I have endeavored to make sure the product is worth the wait!

-Ian

Posted by: CptTripps May 6 2014, 07:37 AM

Just a note of support:

I can appreciate being busy and I know we all want things ASAP, but know that this kit is well worth the wait. Ian did an amazing job at making sure that it's "right" and not just "right now".

Part of his delay was on me. I needed to get him a few measurements, and failed to get him those in a timely manner. (I forgot...then had some personal issues pop up last week.)

This kit does not disappoint. As you'll all see.

Posted by: ruby914 May 6 2014, 01:52 PM

Saw this at a Pic a Part, from a 99 Honda prelude.
Thought it may have potential.



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Posted by: IM101 May 11 2014, 09:25 AM

Update: everyone should receive shipping confirmation by this evening. they will go out on monday.

-Ian

Posted by: hsus2k May 12 2014, 09:30 AM

Hope you didn't missed me again?

I didn't receive any shipping confirmation, but money was sent thru Paypal on April 27th.
Paypal acct:
hsus2k@yahoo.com
Please check and confirm............

Posted by: IM101 May 12 2014, 10:38 AM

Nope didn't miss, Mother's Day just took much more time Han I had hoped. you all should receive notification tonight.

Posted by: abnrdo May 12 2014, 12:35 PM

Email sent!!

Posted by: IM101 May 12 2014, 10:54 PM

Everyone who emailed and has payed should have received shipping confirmation tonight. (except a few who have UPS shipments, or international USPS) Let me know if you did not receive anything and i will figure out what went wrong.

-Ian

Posted by: effutuo101 May 12 2014, 11:07 PM

Hi Ian, nothing in my email. Let me know.

Posted by: nsyr May 15 2014, 08:26 PM

http://www.donovanequipment.com/catalog_c324325_1.html
Just want to throw this link out there for cable craft cables at a great price.

They have 1/4 & 5/16 bulk head mount cables for around $40 each. Far cheaper than McMaster.

Posted by: IM101 May 16 2014, 01:58 AM

It's 2am and I discovered if I just skip sleep I can get much more done! After about 17hrs of strait work, a skipped lunch and I think around 3hrs of packaging, the first slew of cable shif kits are heading out. Tho I'm not looking forward to work tomorrow.

I individually prepped each piece of hardware in groups of nuts washers and bolts to ease installation as I will not have time for instructions anytime soon. I will take a couple of photos of the finL production kit so you guys have something visual to work off of.

There are a couple of cradles and cable kits that will be pacaged and shipped ASAP aswell.

Sorry for the delays thus far, doing my best. I hope you find it was worth the wait.

Ian

Posted by: Chris H. May 20 2014, 10:42 AM

Well whaddaya know...got a package yesterday! Yeah! So who's gonna install this sucker first and post pics and whatnot?

Posted by: IanJ May 20 2014, 03:47 PM

Hi Ian
Any updates?

Thanks
Ian

Posted by: 914forme May 20 2014, 05:34 PM

My box has landed in my happy hands

Posted by: effutuo101 May 23 2014, 11:14 AM

Box, check.
Half shafts, check.
Time, checking....

Thank you Ian! Post office broke up the box pretty good.
Let me check this thread for a list of hardware to make sure every thing got here.

Posted by: IM101 May 23 2014, 11:26 AM

IanJ: sent you an email, let me know if you have any questions

Chris W./Everyone if the box is damaged the first thing you need to do is check to make sure the cables are in good condition still.

Un-coil them and and work the cable back and forth, make sure there is no drag and is slides without too much resistance.

Posted by: IM101 May 23 2014, 11:34 AM

Chris H had a similar issue with the package, below is a photo he sent of the contents of the kit:
2 cables
1 bracket
1 shift arm
1 bolt kit(+plastic baggie of missed bolts that I threw in, most of you guys will not have this extra baggie as i caught myself and started adding the missing bolts to the kits)


Best i can do while at work.

Posted by: Chris H. May 23 2014, 01:03 PM

Whoa I have that EXACT SAME RUG!

Chris, your box should have had a baggie with 2 bolts, the cables (2), and the rest of the stuff was wrapped together in shrink wrap in one lump so it's HIGHLY unlikely anything escaped from there. As long as that's how you found yours you're probably good.

Posted by: effutuo101 May 23 2014, 02:53 PM

Ok, cool. I checked the cables, all good. It looks like I have all of the right pieces.
Thank you!

Posted by: IM101 Jun 3 2014, 11:27 AM

Everyone should have their kits by now (those in AU they are shipped), please let me know if there are any questions or concerns.
I can be reached directly at
ian@coldwater914.com

Best
Ian

Posted by: jimkelly Jul 20 2014, 05:46 AM

what is your current inventory?

Cradles:
Trans hangers:
Back plates:
Spline Coupler:
Hybrid Axles:
Urethane Mounts:
Shift Linkage:

Posted by: Amenson Oct 8 2014, 01:03 PM

Anybody have pictures and/or feedback about this setup installed?
I accidently purchased a Suby 5mt, now I need to start buying parts again for the PorSTI

Posted by: effutuo101 Oct 8 2014, 01:06 PM

Doing final cabin set up tomorrow for my application. I will post pictures.

Posted by: Mike1981 Oct 9 2014, 08:04 AM

I Agree

I have a suby engine and a 901 tailshift tranny

I would love to go to a cable shift set up.

Buying and routing the cables I can handle, but I do not weld.

If we had a set to buy, or plans/drawings to buy, I could have the adapter plates made locally.

It would then be a matter of assembly.

I could buy a shifter kit commercially, but last I checked it would run almost 600.00

A bit too much for me right now.

Count me in for a set.

Thanks

Mike

Posted by: IanJ Oct 18 2014, 01:12 AM

So after months of trying to find an MR2 shifter that wasn't gold plated (or at least the prices in Aus seemed to suggest they were!) then out due to operations on my hips. I ventured out to the garage today.

I've loosely setup my Coldwater linkage kit and thought I'd post some pics here (Mods feel free to delete if it's not appropriate).

With a bit of fiddling with bolt order I think I have it setup (it's certainly shifting!)




Now the only problem I have is the SW20 linkage (Shown on top of these pics) seems to be too big for the cable. Will disassemble and see if it's as simple as knocking out or if it needs drilled.



This minor issue aside it seems like a nicely put together kit. Thanks Ian!

Posted by: IM101 Oct 18 2014, 11:56 AM

Quick tip: use lock tight. Just had to send some extra hardware out for some bolts that came loose.

Posted by: Mike Bellis Oct 18 2014, 12:55 PM

I would cut off the cotter pin tang and drill a hole through for a bolt. The pressed in piece can be used as a bushing of sorts. Make sure the pivot point give you enough throw to activate the cable all the way. I have had to weld extensions on shift linkage to get more throw.

Posted by: IanJ Oct 18 2014, 05:15 PM

Thanks for the tips. Will look at it again today.

Posted by: El Vikingo Tropical Oct 18 2014, 05:56 PM

I use the Boxster shifter on a mid engine race car that I have and it works wel.





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Posted by: Mike Bellis Oct 18 2014, 09:01 PM

That looks like an 01E tranny not a Subi but it could be made to work with the Boxster cables and some fab. I've done it by buying 10mm ball studs and making custom linkage at the tranny.

Posted by: jimkelly May 20 2016, 10:35 PM

wow, very afforsable : )

http://www.donovanequipment.com/search.html?q=push+pull&t=pc

thanks
jim

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Posted by: charliew Jul 24 2016, 12:41 PM

so I guess I was off in la la land and missed out on one of these kits. dang, I started out thinking I would need to build my own and I guess it has gone back to that. I sent Ian a pm but he must be doing other things now.

I read the post again and did not see the mfg or the length of the cables that were the final choice.
edit: I found the length for the straight ones to be 7 feet so that is what I will try first. I'm hoping that will put the shifter close to the wheel.

thanks to DB for starting this and everyone one else for their input.

The prototype Ian put together used a aluminum throttle bell crank I found online but I haven't found a steel one yet. I will order the 7 foot cables go from there I guess.

Posted by: 72black914 Aug 4 2016, 04:22 AM

I'm not good at searching on this site so did you ever make a cable set for a tailshift? Thx Nick

Posted by: DBCooper Oct 11 2016, 10:46 AM

No, never did. I'm pretty lazy so was actually kind of laying out the information and hoping someone else would.

It's been a while, and I can add some things to this thread. I've been driving my car again after two years of not being able to get into the damned thing because of a bad back. A little while back my son put a Subaru transmission into his car. It already had a WRX motor and he lived in a house where his lease prohibited working on cars, so we assembled the parts we needed to get the transmission into it in a weekend, so no one would notice. That meant we used mostly purchased parts instead of fabricating. One of the things we bought was a cable shift kit that included a bell crank to rotate the shift rod, where the linkage on my car (described in this thread) uses a longer cable that loops around so it comes in to the rod at a 90 degree angle and rotates the rod directly.

Both cars are done now, both with WRX engines and the same Subaru transmissions, which means we can compare the cars side by side. My linkage, with the direct cable connection, is crisper, more precise, really nice. His car is good to very good, very drive-able, but doesn't shift quite as nicely as mine. We also used the stock 914 brake master and a plate from 76-914 to use a Honda clutch master. The Honda master is excellent, lighter and nicer to use and a lot cheaper than my Tilton pedals and Howe clutch and brake masters. More legroom, too. The other thing that turned out really well was a lightened Subaru flywheel. I generally don't like lightened flywheels in street cars, but the 914 is much lighter than a Subaru so really benefits, making the car much more responsive without losing much or any drive-ability.

Anyway, nothing earth-shattering, just you don't often get a chance to do a side-by-side of converted cars, so interesting and hopefully helpful to someone.

Posted by: dwillouby Oct 11 2016, 12:01 PM

Did you design one for the 901 trans?

David

Posted by: 72black914 Jan 25 2017, 07:02 PM

I appreciate the reply. Your car sounds like it would be a blast to drive. Thanks Again, Nick

Posted by: flmont Jan 1 2018, 02:12 PM

Any cable kits for a 901 trans.

Posted by: mepstein Jan 1 2018, 02:23 PM

Cableshift.com does one for a 914 sideshift trans.

Posted by: flmont Jan 1 2018, 03:47 PM

Mepstein,..any experience with this vendor,.I would like to go this route on my build ??? Thanks Frank

Posted by: mepstein Jan 1 2018, 04:32 PM

Not personally. PMS sells their version of this for non tradional builds and there are many reviews on the web. Most are positive. It’s the only - off the shelf - cable shifter for a 914 trans that I’ve ever seen. Many guys (including me) plan to build their own but few get done. Since you are using a 914 trans, you can always stick with conventional rod linkage.