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Posted by: Phoenix-MN Oct 13 2013, 08:33 PM
Can somebody that has a side-shift transmission make a measurement for me? I need to know what this distance is when the lever is is the forward and reward positions when the gears are engaged. Thanks
Posted by: kg6dxn Oct 13 2013, 09:11 PM
I know it's less than 3". I used a cable with a 3" stroke on my cable shifter... 
Posted by: Phoenix-MN Oct 14 2013, 05:45 AM
I know it's less than 3". I used a cable with a 3" stroke on my cable shifter...
Ok, that's a good start, but I need a more precise measurement because I will be making a longer arm and I need to figure out how much room I'll have in the housing.
Thanks
Posted by: rick 918-S Oct 14 2013, 02:44 PM
I don't have a car in the shop with a transaxle connected but this is a good bump anyway. 
Posted by: Phoenix-MN Oct 14 2013, 05:03 PM
I don't have a car in the shop with a transaxle connected but this is a good bump anyway.
Actually, this would be easier to measure with the transaxle on the bench
Posted by: jimkelly Oct 14 2013, 05:52 PM
here is something to work with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI_v5MAqMGU
Posted by: Phoenix-MN Oct 14 2013, 07:13 PM
here is something to work with.
We're getting closer
but not quite what I need
Posted by: r_towle Oct 14 2013, 08:00 PM
3/4 of an inch from center in either direction.
Made me go get all greasy
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Oct 14 2013, 08:03 PM
I think he wants a measurement within 0.0001"
Posted by: r_towle Oct 14 2013, 08:05 PM
0.75 from center to center in either position
Overall 1.50000000
I measured against the edge of the housing to the center of the ball in all three positions
Posted by: Jon B Oct 14 2013, 08:07 PM
Maybe this will help.
There are more precise ways to do this, but I don't have the time.
The lever cannot be in both positions at once, as in your image, and there's no nearby reference to measure against, so I extended the two 8mm studs. The lever ball does not hit the extended stud in either direction, as your image suggests. It comes closer towards the rear, as the stud offset is different. The ball comes within 0.160" (approx) of stud in forward direction, within 0.060" (approx) in rear direction. Inner distance between the two studs is approx 2.280". Studs are not equal distance from the lever pivot point.
I'll let you do the math :)
Jon B.
Vista, CA
Posted by: r_towle Oct 14 2013, 08:29 PM
Oh, I want one if you do it....
Posted by: jimkelly Oct 14 2013, 08:37 PM
why are you " making a longer arm" ??
are you going cable shift, or are you trying to lengthen your shifts, or ... ?
I've seen pics of welded consoles, so you may not be fully limited by the edges of the console.
Posted by: r_towle Oct 14 2013, 08:42 PM
why are you " making a longer arm" ??
are you going cable shift, or are you trying to lengthen your shifts, or ... ?
I've seen pics of welded consoles, so you may not be fully limited by the edges of the console.
Longer arm =shorter shift
Posted by: Bob L. Oct 14 2013, 08:54 PM
why are you " making a longer arm" ??
are you going cable shift, or are you trying to lengthen your shifts, or ... ?
I've seen pics of welded consoles, so you may not be fully limited by the edges of the console.
Longer arm =shorter shift
Depends on which arm you are referring to.
If you lengthen the one pictured, wouldn't in lengthen the shift.
The end would have to swing a larger arc to move the innerds the same amount.
Posted by: Jon B Oct 14 2013, 09:11 PM
If you lengthen the arm pictured, yes, it would lengthen the shift.
Jon B.
Posted by: Phoenix-MN Oct 15 2013, 06:04 AM
Now we're cook'n with gas 
I think he wants a measurement within 0.0001"
That would be nice
0.75 from center to center in either position
Overall 1.50000000
I measured against the edge of the housing to the center of the ball in all three positions
Perfect
Maybe this will help.
There are more precise ways to do this, but I don't have the time.
The lever cannot be in both positions at once, as in your image, and there's no nearby reference to measure against, so I extended the two 8mm studs. The lever ball does not hit the extended stud in either direction, as your image suggests. It comes closer towards the rear, as the stud offset is different. The ball comes within 0.160" (approx) of stud in forward direction, within 0.060" (approx) in rear direction. Inner distance between the two studs is approx 2.280". Studs are not equal distance from the lever pivot point.
I'll let you do the math
Jon B.
Vista, CA
Perfect (again)
Yes, this is for a cable shift idea that I've been thinking about for some time now. Most of the solutions that are used seem to be overly complicated when it comes to the linkage design at the shift console. I have an idea that will have a very simple and robust design with few parts. Now that I have some measurements I can start to draw up things in cad.
Thank you to all
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