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Posted by: veekry9 Oct 15 2013, 07:37 PM

1978 RT overhead


HotRod Hessian


Spyder


His later model,Imperator.


Top View


WankelPower


What to do in Sweden.Building flat eights,a great idea.


Driveby V8,MB powered.


OneMillionHeartBeats


Can'tBeDone?


DifficultToDo
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Posted by: McMark Oct 15 2013, 07:43 PM

More of the 8-cyl Type IV


Attached image(s)

Posted by: SirAndy Oct 15 2013, 08:00 PM

Posted by: boxsterfan Oct 15 2013, 08:19 PM

Posted by: carr914 Oct 15 2013, 08:23 PM

But why Carbs vs MFI or Slide-Valve Injection?

Posted by: McMark Oct 15 2013, 08:25 PM

Those aren't carbs. They're ITB fuel injection.

Posted by: Chris H. Oct 15 2013, 08:29 PM

Mark you could turbo the sh!t out of that.

Posted by: McMark Oct 15 2013, 08:31 PM

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 15 2013, 08:38 PM

What Lind accomplished hadn't been attempted here in North America.
No doubt the same vibration characteristics were present as Porsche's version.
A masterpiece in ingenuity and fortitude to complete.He speaks Porsche very well.

(Edit:08/18/16):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZWeNPi2XkE


http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2016/01/koenigseggs-camshaft-free-engine/
http://jalopnik.com/what-its-like-to-ride-in-a-car-with-the-camless-engine-1529865968

Some kind of wonderful.
Opens up a whole new life for piston engines,so very programmable.
Kudos.

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Posted by: SirAndy Oct 16 2013, 01:37 AM

Actually, if you do some reading, that is the very reason why Porsche went to a center driven cooling fan that ran off a 90 degree angle drive on their flat /8 racing engines.

It is quite an eye opener to read about their vibration issues with the long crank and how they went about solving those issues.

Posted by: Dave_Darling Oct 16 2013, 09:58 AM

I thought the firing order thing was how they finally solved the vibration problems in the 908 motors?

Some of the 908s, at least, used an upright fan that is very similar to the standard 911 one.

When they built the "912" engine (for the 917) they used a center take-off as the only option. The long crank twisted too much to have the take-off at the end.

--DD

Posted by: bandjoey Oct 16 2013, 10:54 AM

Donor Motor for the Limo?

Posted by: SirAndy Oct 16 2013, 11:19 AM

I can't remember where i read that article, it was an interview with the guy who designed the 908 engine.
Old Pano maybe???

It's a really interesting read ...

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 17 2013, 02:22 PM

So.
I recently took possession of two(2)2.7L(164") Corvair engines.

I doubt it would be as simple as merely welding sawn,machined cases together,

then,installing a custom crank and cam.The problem then becomes the cylinder heads.
Metal joining technology has come a long way since '65.
Look,if that guy out there in boonville Norway(er..corr Sweden) can do it,what,if only money,is stopping us(me)?
It is a matter of will.Luke,do or not do.

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(edit:08/14/16):

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http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/boxer-engined-alfa-romeos/159504-flat-8-project.html
Hmmm..Seems the flat eight affliction is not confined to Porsche enthusiasts,it's catching.

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(Edit:08/17/16):
The context,an answer to a question posed to 'engine dorks' about crankenrods.


HD
You could use a knife and fork rod set,the pistons in line,radially.
The advantage of the 'boxer' design is the cancelling of the primary unbalance forces.
Pointers:
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=balance%20of%20a%20boxer%20six
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=six+cylinder+boxer+animation
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=piston%20velocities%20and%20g%20forces
The crankshaft is connected to the wristpin by the,'connecting rod',holding the piston,with the piston,or 'wrist' pin.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-KSsaH-3b0


Dorks,and Boffins,working at Porsche,MercedesBenz,Ferrari,and other manufacturers,for centuries.
You can join them here,bring a slide rule.
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=mechanical+engineering+degree+florida

11,768 m/s² 1200Gs - Deceleration of a woodpecker's head!

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'Boxer': Pistons move in opposite directions,a crankpin for each piston.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_g_K0nyGHQ


180* 'Flat' 12: Pistons move in same direction,sharing the same crankpin,like the V-12.

https://youtu.be/j_g_K0nyGHQ?t=23


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3CkVwtOPX4


The 911 motor is a 'Boxer',the 917's motor (912) is not.
Because the length of the crank is greater with the boxer configuration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3KdpzL3Hkk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o8E4WCC4F8


Need to know:
http://www.pattakon.com/
http://www.pattakon.com/pattakonEduc.htm

http://bestplay.pk/watch/V6PGO03K6cI
Like the Merlin V12 engine above,the 180* flat engine has 6 crankpins,just like the Boxer Six.
The crank is offset 3" to grind the 6" stroke crank,27L.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbZ9RD6BTMw

http://www.e31.net/engines_e.html

Technology Terminology,for to make communicate.Some,obviously,are not on the same page.
Needing a part,called a part store,"Do you sell 'whatchyamacallits',for my motor thingy?".


The reason for the forked 'Connecting Rod',is performance,the reduction of engine weight.
The HD,and the RR,have their cylinders opposite each other,in the same plane.The greater complexity of manufacture was a calculated compromise.
The weight of the crankshaft was reduced,as the secondary unbalance forces were nulled by the inline cylinders,less vibration.
The shared crankpin of the 917 engine's side by side,'conrods',are the result,also,of a compromise in the cost of manufacture,and simplicity
The proposal for such forked rods,in the initial design stages of the 917 engine,was rejected,as their mass was unsuitable for the high rpm engine.
Two different applications,two different results,both of which excelled in their field.

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=balance%20of%20piston%20engines
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=rolls+royce+v12+merlin+connecting+rods
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/antique-machinery-and-history/video-rolls-royce-merlin-306661/
http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Tomlinson.htm
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Scat-932911-Flathead-Ford-Stroker-Crankshaft-4-Inch-Stroke,3181.html
https://rideapart.com/articles/birth-harley-davidson-v-twin-motor


RR Merlin crank.Forged,hollow,tubular and light.Sheffield.
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/46462-Churchill-Crankshaft-Grinding-Machine-Restoration
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general-archive/scale-merlin-crankshaft-73615/


The finish anvil below,one of _.

Looking to make a piston engine?



So,yeah,a flat 180-12 engine can have the cylinders inline,the boxer's must be offset.The offset distance is the thickness of the web,rod and journal,if any.
A method to circumvent the offset,with minimal complexity.:


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Boxer Cranks


MercedesBenz auto V12


Bmw auto V12


Diamler Benz DB 605 V12 Crank


912 Shafts
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=gt40s.com+917+engine+fan


Twin Supra V12 crank,heavy man.

So,you were thinking of a flat 12 914.



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http://www.enginelabs.com/engine-tech/cranks-rods/in-depth-tech-valuable-tips-for-selecting-the-right-crankshaft/
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A passion for the 914,shared with others.
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=porsche+917+autobahn&tbm=vid
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/522494-917-replica-dual-3-0-liter-engine-flat-12-a.html
http://gtspirit.com/2013/12/29/remarkable-cars-the-street-legal-porsche-917/
911+911=flat12!
The freedom to do a build of your own,a personal vision,and version of your 914.

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Posted by: kg6dxn Oct 17 2013, 06:56 PM

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 17 2013, 07:27 PM

Pie in the sky ramblings of malarky.


After the Cosmic Rain
The whatif of gearheads everywhere is what makes all of this wrenching so worthwhile.
Certainly,few of us here are motivated only by $$reward.Rather,we support the specialists out there.
They need the money,you need the 'stuff',


A MS Paint drawing from the '90s,to show the kids how to use the pc,called it 'Veloce'.

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Posted by: veekry9 Oct 21 2013, 07:23 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4IR6Ukv7gk


Isdera
Eberhard Shulz.
He started out as the Erator GTE builder and developed into a wonderful designer.I even like his first off.
There's a youtube of it being thrashed through the black forest.
A showcase of the builders dream realized.A successful talent in auto design.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr7dnobhDFI


Midengined straight-6 or V8 sports type.
Oh Yeah,
Made the cover of Road+Track.
Then Years later,tested at speed by Paul Frere,
176MPH=Stable,Tight.(Yes:176mph).As timed by R+T.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOeTKlCPOss

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Posted by: sixnotfour Oct 21 2013, 07:43 PM

Why on earth would you bother with a push rod engine ??

Posted by: kg6dxn Oct 21 2013, 07:49 PM

Hmmmmm?!?!?!?

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 21 2013, 08:13 PM

Velly interestink.
I presume the 'trunk'is in the middle,or perhaps the fuel tank has been relocated to the vacant engine bay.
For lack of a better description a VW-914-T1-4.For those whose inclinations are bug-love.Does it work?
Sure.

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 22 2013, 06:10 PM

In the interest of keeping this a Porsche
relevant thd.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-aAMr5kySg


Conclusion:Porsche solved the vibes.Revs?Many questions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GpMGPUMyXE


Mr Lind apparently had a Swedish Co. do his crank and cam.
http://enem.se/ib.asp
Anyone here source their parts from Sweden?





>on UAC
[
Type 4 Unleashed
Location: Aliso Viejo, CA
M-Owen wrote:
Did you ever get an answer from this site?
Yes I did, and was signed up.
Two guys built this motor, Julle & Lind, it had even been upgraded to a 4.6 ltr, they had upgraded to 101.6 mm P/C's.
The motor is currently in a 914, and had been taken up to 167 mph and it still was pulling, but engine temps were climbing, so he slowed it down.
This would be a wild project.
]

Indeed,lessee...$/Lb.:Porsche-8 versus Lind-built T4-8
The idea Lind+Julle could run that 8 with a welded crank I think is doubtful.
Having attracted worldwide attention,would they repeat the feat for a customer?

Posted by: Dave_Darling Oct 22 2013, 07:34 PM

How the heck do you fit that thing in a 914????

--DD

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 22 2013, 07:58 PM

The Question is how did he do it at all.
Likely every 3rd person who saw it under construction
had doubts of success or even completion.
Point Made.

Heavier than air machines Can Fly!!

Posted by: kg6dxn Oct 22 2013, 09:41 PM

Posted by: Dr Evil Oct 22 2013, 09:55 PM

That double T4-8 makes me so friggen moist

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 23 2013, 01:15 PM

Post #66806
A 914/Cayenne for the Paris-Dakar Rally.With a 959 drivetrain.OohLaLa.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2thf2NwMYE


Great idea.

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 23 2013, 08:38 PM

Laguna Seca

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsf8S3qgwX8

sounds good.
A GT of Sicily

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Albnb3xQdo

a How To.

Posted by: sixnotfour Oct 24 2013, 06:44 PM

Those are Not push rod engines ...

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 24 2013, 07:13 PM

Those are Not push rod engines ...

The Evolution of Design.
A Flat 8 built today may actually be superior in every way.
Definitely Expensive.
Well,There is 1 Factory 914-8.
(corr:2 actually,thanks Dave)
Exclusive Territory.
Hmmm...


Another part for your 908 powered 914.

Posted by: Dave_Darling Oct 24 2013, 09:27 PM

There are two of them, the silver one that was built for the Dr. for his birthday, and the orange one built for Piech.

There were rumors of a third one that was built after-hours a number of years later, but those are unconfirmed....

--DD

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 25 2013, 06:27 PM

I recalled an animation from a few yrs ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh7J8DSDZAg


edit:this animation shows the crank in an interspersed configuration.
a 4cyl crank in the middle,another split and joined at each end,hence the harmonics.
The successful 908 crank is 2 4cyl cranks joined at 90* angle.

http://www.jabiru.net.au/



Engine Features
4 Stroke
3300cc (200 cubic inches)
6 Cylinder Horizontally Opposed
1 Central Camshaft
Fully Machined Aluminium Alloy Crankcase
Over Head Valves (OHV) - Push Rod Operated
Ram Air Cooled
Wet Sump Lubrication - 4 litre capacity
Direct Propeller Drive
Dual Transistorised Magneto Ignition
Integrated AC Generator
Electric Starter
Mechanical Fuel Pump
Naturally Aspirated - 1 Pressure Compensating Carburetor


This is the 5L -8
It is,at this date out of production.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabiru_5100

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=jabiru+5100

The 8 sounds real good

For those who aren't moneyshy,not cheap.
High quality,aero-style.

see more:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=250515

animation of types:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvpFcSPtDV0

nice work.

Posted by: Dr Evil Oct 25 2013, 06:41 PM

Aircraft engines are not good candidates for car engines. They do not rev the same and the cams are meant to get power in a narrow band. Same is true for a converted corvair engine.

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 25 2013, 06:55 PM

Oh Yeah.
The aircraft billet engine is for aircraft,that said,the idea that the average m/c shop
equipped with modern tools can crank out specials is valid.
I'm still hankering for the 4valve heads that Martin Bott developed for T4's
The Jabiru from Oz isn't the only fully cnc'd engine type.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsmiIeAkE-o

F1?Prostock?Prototype
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http://rennlist.com/forums/911-forum/935095-porsche-billet-engine-cases-2.html
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Posted by: veekry9 Oct 27 2013, 07:10 PM

A fellow up here in Ontario,also known as TasmanDevil.
Unrecognisable as a Fiero.TPI V8 Transverse.
Gorgeous Paint(Jag BlackCherry Metallic)Full Leather.
Absolutely Impeccable.
http://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bin/fiero/Ultimate.cgi
For those of you interested in an American MidEngine as a 2nd car,and an object of worship on the alter of the jackstands.

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Posted by: Dave_Darling Oct 27 2013, 09:10 PM

Unrecognizable? "Fiero" was the first thing that went through my head when I looked at the picture...

--DD

Posted by: Dr Evil Oct 27 2013, 09:18 PM

What pic? That link takes me to a list with no pics

Posted by: Dr Evil Oct 27 2013, 09:19 PM

Never mind, the Fiero pic loaded in the thread. I looks like a Fiero

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 28 2013, 05:13 PM

UhHuh.
So it's true then,a leopard can't change it's spots.
But a V8 into a 914 or Fiero can enhance your power trip.
An entire aftermarket exists for your personal magic carpet.
Some parts not included.
Some assembly required.
The lowly Fieros and 914s made new and improved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkP5gTX6Hc

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 28 2013, 07:54 PM

Any Takers here?
Quote
Flat 8 Porsche Engine
A mate is making a flat 8 engine for a replica 908. He has used two 2.7lt magnesium blocks that we wirecut at my work and has welded them together in a jig. First time he has welded mag and it is a steep learning curve with the pre heating/jigging and post stress relieving. Here are the photos of his second attempt. He still has 1mm of bend after welding but is making a different jig that will be stronger and keep the heat more stable (he was saying 5 mins after welding and it was cool enough to handle).
Unquote


http://performanceforums.com/forums/showthread.php?67273128-Flat-8-Porsche-Engine

from '11

Posted by: Woody Oct 29 2013, 11:18 AM

Why not use an aluminum case?

Posted by: balljoint Oct 29 2013, 12:34 PM

Yes. Yes, you do.

Posted by: Dave_Darling Oct 29 2013, 12:34 PM

Because RACECAR!! (Mag is lighter.)

--DD

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 29 2013, 07:44 PM

Found some old links re:flat-8 at PerformanceForums

http://jalopnik.com/5799726/emerson-...kswagen-beetle


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXKcpbFF7WI

"Excellent, the pressure is great, Today is March 19th, 2009, and tomorrow, we will be recorded for the show,
'Auto Esporte'. Good work Marco, Good work Arlindo"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zto2UDCUyoY

The vids have be online a few years.
These guys make it look easy.Wanted a Flat-8,Made one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF9j6G4bkZg

Posted by: veekry9 Nov 1 2013, 06:13 PM

Some headway's been made

Custom flat-8 crank from Oz.





http://www.performanceforums.com/forums/showthread.php?67273128-Flat-8-Porsche-Engine/page2

Can't be cheap.
Building a 908 tribute from scratch,to a fine resolution.

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 6 2014, 02:06 PM

Fer sail

Wider to fit,with or without flares.

early corsa

late corsa 8
(what a '77 914/911/944 morph looks like)


nice crank.corvair aero app
they are able to do -8's
to similar specs 2.5K+
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Posted by: billh1963 Apr 6 2014, 04:43 PM

Any progress on welding the 2.7 cases together?

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 6 2014, 07:38 PM

billh1963:
I looked at the performanceforum thd recently,and from what was described the case weldment requires further welding.
Magnesium castings are no doubt difficult to do to a machined tolerance.He was able to get within 1mm(0.039")runout through the mains bores,
which all things considered,is a notable success.So,some layup on the mainbores and parting faces to be remachined,to straighten it up X2.
A ton of very difficult work.Inspired by their efforts,a minor change in plans will be applied to my own P14.
The intent was to run the 2L until I found some issues with the valve guides,and since I now have the Corvair 6's,I believe the initial cost of a 14-6 will be tolerable,
originality deferred temporarily.The idea of creating a flat 8 using Corvair blocks welded and machined can't possibly be original,though the net has not revealed an attempt.
The CNC shop doing the billet corvair cranks are a likely source for a 90-degree 8 pin crank.A fewer number of main bearing pins may be a serious problem for the
vibration characteristics of such a long crank.More research is needed.
Here is a site (edit:11/05//15(http://www.pattakon.com/))that makes balance software available.
The Porsche drawing I've posted here shows the 90 degree pins interspersed with the 0 degree pins.
The 2 billet cranks made in Australia appear to be the other method,which I believe is the solution Porsche used to tame the harmonic vibrations inherent with the original design.
The price of a crank made to these specs is not cheap,so what to do if you're really hankering for a flat 8?Cut weld...?
Seriously,a talented welder with some rod may git er done.A lot of work.

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 15 2014, 12:02 PM

OK.here's the plan..
Get 2 sets of cases,and weld them together after machining the front and rear off each respective set.
Front 2 and rear 2.Makes a long case to carry 8 cylinders.
Look,if the guy in Aus can weld magnesium cases,it would have to be easier to do the same to 356 T6 alloy cases.
Marginally easier admittedly,but possible to achieve the exalted F-8.
Fun with TIG,in an oven,inert gas flushed...
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(edit:08/08/16):


Samba-2-4-6-8
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=399470


Well,the fellow in Australia has the right idea,wire edm cutting the cases to key each other together.
Still,tubular shafts,ground to the mains and cam dia +0.0004"/-0 for alignment is essential.
Otherwise,a near hopeless adventure,preparation of the weld groove is critical,minimum weld added.
Tough job,all around.For sure a worthy aspiration,wanting -8,pushrod even.More cylinders,more better.



Even these cases could be sixed,356-6.Custom crossflow center head too.



A VW Boxer Six,a neato version of the Corvair engine.
Clearly,a welded crank.Note the main journal's discoloration and heat affected zone.
The -8 crank is done in a similar way,two -4 cranks welded together,90* apart.

http://carocha.forumeiros.com/t477-transformacao-de-um-motor-vw-com-8-cilindros


Mounted Mid in a 914,this is the right side of the engine,pretty nice looking.
I want to build a few,and I know,some of you want one too.


Some real expertise demonstrated here,kudos.Note the cam nose profiles,long duration,mushroom lifters,a revver.

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Posted by: rick 918-S Apr 16 2014, 10:12 AM

I like this!

Posted by: bulitt Apr 16 2014, 11:17 AM

There was a guy....on Ferrari chat with some amazing machinist and tig welding skills, and allot of energy. He decided to make his own 12 cylinder engine. He had a machine shop in his basement. The thread ran for years. It blew up.

So I think it is cool you are attempting this, and wish you the best of luck! You may want to try and source every existing part that would fit and design around them.

Me, I would just drop an LS engine in there. But I seriously get where you are coming from!

Here is the thread. It's 101 pages long. It will suck you in! And, there is no ending because some nastiness occurred and the admins shut it down.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/308-328/170171-308-v12-conversion-begins.html

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 17 2014, 03:15 PM

Anything familiar?I hope you like the LED indicator,Anyone like?
Turns out the Panamera has similar signals,fluke huh?

A cleaner blue Targa 14 LeMan windscreen

Less Aero glass

first

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 18 2014, 10:38 AM

Some Lip

More

Most
FullFront Was Orange (iamchappy Mn)
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Posted by: veekry9 Apr 18 2014, 10:39 AM

There was a guy....on Ferrari chat.

Yeah.
A few years ago Hemming's Exotic Cars did a cover story on the 308GT4 as an economical way to get some Stallions.
(edit:05/07/16)"A few years ago"19 actually.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/November-1997-European-Car-Magazine-Ferrari-308-GT4-Alfa-Romeo-Giulietta-/111962797897?hash=item1a1180b749:g:bx8AAOxyVaBS1IHX
Bertone did a great job of integrating 4 seats and mid design transversely.The marketing department not so good.
Like the 914 the GT4 was shunned by the illuminati.Paul Frere did a R+T road test in Upper Michigan in '74 and loved the car.


Now stuffing a 400i V12 longitudinally and a modern 6-7 spd tapshift would wake it up.
The objective being to maintain the brand of the prancing horse.Add the turbos and water+nitromethane injection ..How fast?220MPH+ fer sure.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu8qo93N1wM


How to re+re your F-V12.
Why I'll buy into the lottery..


(edit:11/05/15)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ9s3P34v9s

(edit:04/24/16)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMjUxqOWNSs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA8poGGmPIU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWwldtV9zBU

http://alemala.xoom.it/alemala/ad308/body/308_upgrade.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jUz1AZKXFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO8xRNSUXkg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNQBDqUkb6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WGgYN_PkIo
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Posted by: veekry9 Apr 18 2014, 12:24 PM

Hmmm...


Couldn't find the thd,What sitename?
Lower longer..starting to look like a Can-Am with a 914 house on top.
Hey,it does have a Can-Am engine.+Turbos!
The large vents under the trunk floor will allow the flow of the massive heat generated by the powerplant,feeding the low pressure area behind the car at speed.Turbulent air under the car is drawn out.
The width here is about as extreme as it should get.
Still possible to add GT flares of narrower dimension.
The reverse light is in factory position,the lens is merely wider by the widening amount.
Not the easy way this is.You would need a metal surgeon to hammer and dolly the added strips of sheetmetal.The shape of the trunkline rear of the targa defines the intersecting transverse curve.The beltline then is lower.Raising the trunkline would help a lot,giving a humpier,bulging curve to the rear top quarter,sorto like the latemodel Aston-Martins.
The focal length of the camera used foreshortens the image making it tricky to accurately sketch.



Wider than the section cut.+2"



Primordial DNA of the 914 Targa Bar.

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 18 2014, 02:20 PM

http://www.hollowsurfboards.com/documents/38-SurfboardDesignandConstruction-ByJimKnistle1977.pdf



So..to shape some foam you first must use adhesive to attach it to the fenders.
Then use the above methods the achieve the shape you desire.
Modern epoxies and clothes are more suitable for insulation type polystyrene.
If you are making your own mudgards(flares) it's possible to design,fabricate
a unique look for your 914.
At some point in the work-up to the LeMan '70 someone cut a washtub in half
at the factory and said "yeah,that'll work".
Don't get me wrong.I like the look,they were the solution of the day for the fat wheeled Porsches,the 911 too.
The colour is very close to my own selection.

A how-to:
http://neilblanchard.blogspot.ca/



The Red-Transformer 914 is a notable design for it's outrageousness.
Personally I regard this red 914 as a 10,being so well integrated.





Very Nice,"Modern"EV from Switzerland.

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 18 2014, 06:06 PM

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000121-20.html

http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-D0XYb6GLiSk/UWwYmnVFK2I/AAAAAAAAA1w/ql3wMUc2UTU/s800/100_1866.JPG

Need some gears?
libertysgears
http://www.libertysgears.com/
The scarcity of 904 mainshafts...

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 19 2014, 12:24 PM

[quote name='veekry9' date='Apr 18 2014, 02:24 PM' post='2026422']
Hmmm...


Couldn't find the thd,What sitename?A lost reference,who?
Lower longer..starting to look like a Can-Am with a 914 house on top.



An incredible amount of labour and planning.A GT for LeMan,Daytona the Nurburgring.Gonna be quick.

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 19 2014, 05:44 PM

As an example of how design intent can go arwry..


YellowHorror

Fat tires-check.
Flares-check
pseudo f40-check

As you observe various auto designs,are you able to perceive rust and dents from a distance of 100 yds?
Sure,so it is entirely possible to detect the shape of the fenders of a 911RSR.
Expedient measures to cover the tires range from this to the shapely splined flanks of the 914.
The necessity drive the invention.

Posted by: HalfMoon Apr 19 2014, 06:49 PM

Lol!
Hey, that's my LE saved only days before the PO was going to have it crushed! It's stored in my garage until I can do a full on roto resto :-)
Cool what you did, but it'll be bone stock concourse when completed (years from now, lol)

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 20 2014, 01:53 PM

Another Save!RestorationDesign has the sheetmetal replacements you desire.
A tall task on the horizon,requiring stamina and fortitude.Never give up,never surrender(Wittwickie).A polished gem at the end,close to perfection,reflecting.

Posted by: bulitt Apr 20 2014, 02:39 PM

Here is your thread- http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=219539

Posted by: bulitt Apr 20 2014, 02:40 PM

Here is your thread- http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=219539

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 20 2014, 02:40 PM

Thanks bulitt.
OK,so,you need a Wider Fender...Note to self,drive-ability makes good parts.


A raised trunkline,taller from the trunk floor.
Wider lens + taller too.Starting to look like 944/968/928 pieces,fitting really,that the parts would serve a similar purpose.


Some resemblance to the family tree.

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 21 2014, 12:54 PM

Pushing G

914 evolved 1978?

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 22 2014, 12:27 PM

Merely widened fenders+doors.


Does it still evoke the 914,spoilers n all?


How bout now?3" stretch behind the targa curve.
Two tone anodized Fuchs 4-stud.A bronze/titanium,rim polished.
Polished alloy or chromed outer rocker.
LED aero turn indicator.(spoke?)
If you measure your door thickness add 3-4" for this result.
I can add the front fender vent and the engine oil cooler scoop as well as an intrusion barrier/cage bar with the extra width.Form follows funktion.


2-3"Rise at the trunk line,to accomodate intercooler opening.


Caramel pearl med metallic.


Zagato


Meringue


Scarlet


YoMaMa Blue


Ice Silver
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Posted by: veekry9 May 18 2014, 12:48 PM

More Radical

Fatter Tires/Wheels,Taller Rear quarters.
More room for the intercoolers,placed mid.

Posted by: veekry9 May 18 2014, 12:57 PM

Where the idea began.As a kid,building the the scale model.

Posted by: veekry9 May 27 2014, 06:58 PM

SilverQuarter-9



The larger tail-lamps remove any semblance to 914 and move into the 924 family.
An exercise in fitting the rads/intercoolers amidships,without adding lumps.
17" and low profile tires fit the enlarged w-wells in a modern way.
A '66 Mustang is showing its influence,difference being the vents are functional.
This will be a long time coming,a ton of work.

Posted by: veekry9 Jun 4 2014, 10:56 PM

into the realm of a full custom

Some details to be determined..without the 3"stretch.Navy Targa Vinyl.
I recall one of the early "models in clay" sported headlamps of similar shape.
Mid mounted coolers do two things,eliminate long lines and retain a centralized cg.
Not really 914+944,or change for changes sake,more like what if?
In '67 a pencil and plasticine was used.

Posted by: bulitt Jun 5 2014, 04:33 AM

Looks like the door gaps on my first tub...

Posted by: 7TPorsh Jun 5 2014, 09:53 AM

Always thought this was interesting....

Posted by: jaxdream Jun 5 2014, 10:03 AM

While you are designing , why not spring for some cool 911 headlight treatments , maybe some of the MB headlight setups to the turn signal locations ??? Do away with the flip ups , relocate the turn signals to another location ??? I've always wanted to install 911 headlights in that spot , just have to do some creative fab work , but with thesee fender widening on these pics it would be very doable , but however it's your project not mine , good luck to ya !!!

Jack

Posted by: veekry9 Jun 5 2014, 11:53 AM

Always thought this was interesting....

Very Neat,I haven't seen that treatment before now.
At the time,the 'new"designers were transitioning away from the "headlamp sponson"look that had prevailed for the previous 20 yrs.
Hence the truncated headlamp turnsignal of the 914.
We enjoy the look today,but in '69, it was like,so different.
The simplicity of the slab-sided spline curves provide a surface on which to sculpt some detail,to make room for coolers and larger rubber.

Posted by: veekry9 Jun 5 2014, 12:16 PM

While you are designing , why not spring for some cool 911 headlight treatments...

Yeah,the amount of time to make the changes to the shapes of the curves has been reduced electronically.To bang metal requires the traditional amount.
I've considered a number of headlamp designs,and really like the clearlense 914 HID look a member here has done.(edit:05/03/15 neo914-6)
As I go further,I am becoming more inclined toward a Boxster trioval shape.I agree the flip-ups now look more redundant.
A work in progress,although the raised trunk-line does it for me,transforming the 914's simple splinecurves into an aggressive look that appeals with the massive airscoops.
The GIMP software allows fast work in concept visualization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMP
http://www.gimp.org/downloads/
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Posted by: worn Jun 5 2014, 12:45 PM

I believe that is a quote from Ferrari to Henry Ford. Before the race.

Posted by: veekry9 Jun 5 2014, 01:11 PM

Yeah,the pushrod has been touted as primitive,do they still make them?
Yup.

Posted by: veekry9 Aug 20 2014, 06:40 PM

Found today..
I've not seen this here.

It even has side inlets,
the wheelarches look unique enough.
All that's missing is a proper targa bar.
2008 model showcar.
Does this appeal to any 914 owners?

a few more
https://www.google.ca/search?q=2008+vw+roadster&biw=1440&bih=712&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=dGdhVJufJ4unyATqsoDwCQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#facrc=_&imgdii=0osziNpLMn0INM%3A%3BhyItZXCmI2X4hM%3B0osziNpLMn0INM%3A&imgrc=0osziNpLMn0INM%253A%3BFAcEWJ7iLCqjlM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fi44.tinypic.com%252F15ccccy.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.carscoops.com%252F2009%252F01%252Fvw-bluesport-roadster-new-wallpaper.html%3B500%3B225

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 6 2014, 02:37 AM

Widebody.
Looks so right,the only one I've seen done like this.
from paul's thd Post #58160

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 6 2014, 07:28 AM

every time I see this car the more I like it.
anyone on board?

Posted by: Cuda911 Sep 6 2014, 07:42 AM

A friend of mine bought this one, but it overheated and crapped out on the way home, so seller took it back.
.



Attached thumbnail(s)

Posted by: Sleepin Sep 6 2014, 08:42 AM

Add 3" to the center of the car, like this:




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Posted by: veekry9 Sep 6 2014, 08:58 AM

that way you have more space between the seats,for a cup holder.
the driver even looks like me.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 6 2014, 09:19 AM

Same car,right?-6

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 6 2014, 09:55 AM

http://www.pbase.com/9146gt/factory_racing_parts_907engine
can't recall a link to these pix.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 6 2014, 03:37 PM

This is the car Road+Track did the cover story on.


http://www.isdera.de/isdera.php
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/CW_311
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainer_Buchmann
http://www.bb-frankfurt.com/index.php/en/mercedes/bb-cw-311


Eberhard Shulz

(edit:01/24/16)

Nicki Lauda


Someone has scanned the R+T article from '79 or thereafter.
The BB was(is) Ranier Buchmann,German auto customizer.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=isdera+commendatore&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=641&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjI-PaDqMPKAhUklYMKHU2OA5AQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=v4StQkcRfBgozM%3A

http://isdera.de/
Some 32 yrs ago.Very nice designs.

http://blog.iso50.com/17004/1978-mercedes-benz-study-cw311/

http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/realistic-supercar-isdera-imperator-3ds/651008


One Million heartbeats.On the banked test track.

/

Some mods,a 6 rotor Wankel,and a lower ride height.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=isdera&espv=2&biw=960&bih=481&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjBl-O7gcLOAhVIax4KHQPuD6cQ_AUIBigB#tbm=isch&q=isdera+erator+imperator
/
(Edit:10/02/16):


Look!
There's more Isdera:
https://www.facebook.com/isdera.official?fref=ts

/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk4H1eV9JuY

/

Posted by: MoveQik Sep 6 2014, 04:10 PM

Its an AZ car. I see him at a local car show now and then. Currently, it is still a 1.7.




Attached thumbnail(s)

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 6 2014, 09:36 PM

There are so many details that appeal.
When shaving the siglamps,most don't retain them.
Rolling the rockerpan looks right.
I even like the colour.

Posted by: MoveQik Sep 7 2014, 07:32 AM

Here are a few more pics from the last time I saw it at a show...

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=222932&hl=

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 7 2014, 09:53 AM

Thnks MovQuik
I guess it is the gulf colours that suit the front fender treatment.
The top chop is well done,the cage is closely fitted.
yup,does it for me,very nice rendition.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 7 2014, 12:01 PM

Flat 12 Subaru museum static display.

Carlo Chitti

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(edit:05/07/16)
http://www.iwoc.co.uk/subf1.html
/

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 9 2014, 10:53 PM

http://www.gt40s.com/forum/gt40-tech-engines-induction-exhaust/44280-v12-clevor.html



http://vid398.photobucket.com/albums/pp62/kcoffield/IMG_0468MOV_zps4d163946.mp4
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3S4fQeJ60CLTWhXNWdjc0lhdjg/edit?usp=drive_web
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3S4fQeJ60CLRGlIRmlNWmpLSEU/edit?usp=drive_web
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3S4fQeJ60CLV2ZoOXJXaU5nQlE/edit?usp=drive_web

Get 2 engines,cut and rejoin to build a bigger better engine of your dreams.
What could you do with a 9L 90* Ford V-12?
What could you do with a 4-5L 32 valve flat-8?

Found a link to an old thd here:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=24348&hl=beck+gt1
2006-2012 jump,a brief interlude.
so yeah,a lot of discussion of the same idea.
also found the address of Mr Lind of Sweden.
http://home.swipnet.se/motor/custom/
Not only can it be done ,it Should be done.
A 914-8.aircooled..must have.

Posted by: Sleepin Sep 9 2014, 11:12 PM

If it wasn't such a boat anchor, the air cooled Tatra 8 would be cool

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 9 2014, 11:52 PM

In Europe,the Tatra aircooled V8 has been used for many unique projects.



Traditional 90*v8 layout



A lightweight v8 bike

Q
However, Tatra came up with some very special concepts and innovations under the hood as well. Which technical details were most significant?
Ivan Margolius: The lightweight air-cooled rear engines V8 and flat 4, swiveling headlights, swing axles, forced fan-assisted cooling and flat undersides.
Q

Haven't looked into the aftermarket for these engines,if it exists.

http://www.tatraplan.co.uk/


looks modern


yup,modern
An auto company with a huge history.
/
(edit:08/07/16):
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=61581
Some time later,more info became available.


SuperBug-2.5L V8 (Bore:75mm X Stroke:72mm)


Incredibly,snuggled into the behind.
So yeah,with some careful measurement and mods,one could slip right in to your 914,smoothly.

/

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 10 2014, 12:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-AKigRiGe8


So yeah,a lightweight aircooled v8.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 10 2014, 12:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfqZ2XBOVnk

first on many innovations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_7ISJ57ZYU

sounds like a v8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJdowd5zQfU

1937 sohc hemi v8 magnesium.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0UkeJb8CCE

A latemodel,carbed

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 14 2014, 11:28 AM

at speeed.



A great idea,now,where is that flat -8,pushrod even.
To accommodate said long-block,a wb stretch would make a perfect fit.

Posted by: Hank914 Sep 14 2014, 12:00 PM

Huge history! I remember seeing Dubcek and Svoboda cruising around Praha and Bratislava in 603! And then in the 70's them orders 613 model. Only the party big wigs got to be driven in those cars. Ahhh, great memories of the utopian socialism of CSSR and CCCP! And the pivo! Don't forget the pivo!

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 14 2014, 01:34 PM

Come to think of it,those highpressure dies quite likely still exist.
The entire GM Corvair production diesets were scrapped in the 70's.
But things are done differently there,as the dies are of great value,even now.



Do you see anything you like?An alloy aircooled v8 of aircraft design philosophy.
Lightweight,compact,easily manufactured,similar in design to the vw and corvair.
hemi design canted valve in pushrod and dohc configuration,sophisticated.



this is the H-4,chain driven sohc,1937.



pushrod -4

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 14 2014, 02:19 PM

T603 engine designed by Julius Mackerle.
http://www.eurospares.com/graphics/engine/a-c-e-searcheable.pdf (thanks jd74914 )

By raising the camshaft far above the crank in the valley,the rocker geometry for the exhaust valve is improved,perhaps making possible the use of common rockers throughout.
Note the hemi-like chamber and wide angle canted valves.Like the VW/Porsche and Corvair,the bore diameter is restricted by the cylinder head studs.
A considerable amount of weight savings would be realized by adopting LN cylinders.
I believe the crank is a conventional cross plane and at a small 72mm stroke,there may be plenty of room for a much larger stroker.

http://www.velocetoday.com/a-technical-history-of-tatra/

The discrete lifter-blocks allow replacement roller-lifter and barrels to be installed for low friction,high rpm operation.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 14 2014, 02:50 PM

V-12 aircooled diesel,3-cam.
The same designer,Doctor Prof. Julius Mackerle.
Roller bearing bottom end.

V-10 version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S1Ft4ots7g

(edit:2/23/16)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCwHl885-m4

Anyone onboard able to translate his spoken words?
Looks like an interesting project,a diesel conversion.
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Tatra 613 unfinished project - Diesel. Unique project of rebuilding the engine T613 (aggregate) on diesel variant. At the end of the 70th century originated minuléto years so far unique project for rebuilding the engine on the T613 diesel engine with direct fuel injection into the cylinder. As a base engine was used T613 (model E) production year 1977, which had traveled 20 thousand. km. The creation of new pistons with a semicircular shape of the bottom of the piston has been redesigned combustion chamber cylinder heads were modified cabinets cam engine was devised to drive fuel injectors, all this was preceded by a complex formulation of models later casts, followed by manufacture themselves cast as pistons and various components, from which the formed parts for driving the injection pumps, produced with a special injector, it was necessary to devise and make special threaded shaft for installation into enclosures injectors cams and cylinder heads. further information only serious and technically savvy candidates. This project is a testament to immense creativity and skill of the Moravian-wise and because the owner of this concept does not want to make this engine ended up in scrap, looking for this very technical and design an efficient, technologically savvy real enthusiasts Tatrovaks heart for engines Tatra, which this project dotáhnul to successful end. The owner of both the engine and the entire project, originator of the idea itself is ready to provide serious, but it really only serious candidates all technical and knowledge support to complete this project successfully. The owner, however, asks dealers and speculators, who, on this project, they just want to earn without it without touching anything, so this video in any way responded.

P.S. The video is mistakenly stated that the year of manufacture of the engine is 1997 correctly's 1,977th
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Posted by: veekry9 Sep 14 2014, 03:13 PM

What's not to like?An alloy hemi V8.
And it's "Teutonic".




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEFJ9kkFGN0


6:1 comp 2.5 L aircooled V8,just add turbo.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 14 2014, 04:07 PM

single seater t507 bvlv originally designed to test new aluminum V8 engine with OHV prepared personally for uozv Tatra 603

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/tatra-603-hemi-v8.484366/

A link to some q+a.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 14 2014, 06:10 PM

Mid engine alloy hemi pushrod V8.
model 603 2.5L,75X72mm BXS.

A step up is the model 613,4cam,16v 3.5L engine.
85x77mm BXS
model 700 4.4L efi
produced until '9x?

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 14 2014, 08:19 PM

Well,someone out there in the hinterlands of the E.U. must have a handle on these lightweight V8s.
If not,an Opportunity exists to meet the demand for the unique small 4+8 zylinders.
Other than auto applications,a kitplane aero app may move a few of them.
Simply gather as many pieces that you can and put up an Ebay/Samba for sale sign.
I'm somewhat surprised that a VW/Porsche fan from the Continent hasn't considered a powerplant of such attributes.
A further question regarding the dimensions of the bore spacing and cylinder stud pattern remain unanswered.
Scaling a photo may derive a close number,but only close.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLUGSm6Th-Q


Judging by the positive reaction on virtually every blog and posting for the last decade,a surprising number of wrenchers would like to have such engines.
And to think the Ford V8 of '32 was it's contemporary.
In hindsight now,it's no surprise that the ArDun head for the Fhead Ford used a similar,independent latest big breathing pentroof/crescent design.
An aftermarket to develop hotrod parts for the engine never happened.
Rollertip rockers,rollerlifters,modern valves,all the things you would do to your aircooled VW,Porsche,Corvair,Hirth,Rotax...
I haven't seen anyone other than the factory turbo the engines,so,you could be the first.
Could be fun.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 14 2014, 10:57 PM

Tatra 613 4.4L DOHC 16V aircooled
appears to be 6spd transaxle from a front drive vehicle,Getrag?.(edit:11/10/15)All Tatra ,6spdSuitable for 4X4,6X6.
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=cs&u=http://www.tatra603team.cz/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.tatra603team.cz/%26biw%3D1440%26bih%3D712
http://www.tatra603team.cz/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtzpRBuJmPw&list=UUCQbcG3LgdTROrvzuXCZL1Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKwPoKhJh5g&list=UUCQbcG3LgdTROrvzuXCZL1Q&index=4
(some Sabbath involved.Heavy metal,for those unfamiliar with the genre)

4-cam valve action,sounds good.note the convenient covers between the cams,to adjust lash quickly.400hp na.


A nice design from the time of Elvis.

a link to the car designer's story.
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=hu&u=http://ommszem.blog.hu/2007/10/11/fiokba_zart_gran_turismo&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://ommszem.blog.hu/2007/10/11/fiokba_zart_gran_turismo%26biw%3D1440%26bih%3D712
http://ommszem.blog.hu/2007/10/11/fiokba_zart_gran_turismo
a real beauty,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao5OF7EXDcw

A nice one,utility,military application,Will fit nicely into a 914,a 4x4 914!
Yes,a 924/944 early differential,cvs,axles,a custom upright to carry the hub.
A few details and some hotrod tech,and a short stroke turbo screamer to make it all good.
A good deal if you can acquire them.
A quest for a European,or a source of parts for the next custom X-12.
Not only possible,but imperative.

Posted by: 3d914 Sep 15 2014, 08:08 PM

Have you seen these? Both are design built around the 914 unibody. Either would be interesting to refine/update.

Hispano-Aleman




Or the Tapiro: http://www.carstyling.ru/cars.1970_Porsche_Tapiro.html

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 16 2014, 12:41 AM

Frua,driven at speed.
One off,elegant design.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 16 2014, 07:02 AM

PX A nice airy glass house.
A 6 under glass
like the wheels now,always did.

Posted by: 7TPorsh Sep 16 2014, 12:14 PM

4 bolt

Posted by: Dave_Darling Sep 16 2014, 12:36 PM

Weird. The front is definitely five-bolt, the rear looks like four-bolt.

EDIT:
Looking at the pics on the website linked shows they were all five-bolt. So the four-bolt look must be an illusion. Probably the "uneven" part of the bolt pattern (where it does not match with the eight spokes) is out of sight on that rear wheel.

--DD

Posted by: 7TPorsh Sep 16 2014, 02:16 PM

yep, 5 bolt. % in the center square, neat

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 16 2014, 02:48 PM

Sure,a great idea,rather than purchasing an off the rack auto,make a custom.
California is a goldmine of automotive design/build talent.
Start like we all did,scratching our "Lambo"with a pencil on the back page of notebooks.Mockup scale models and when the results please you,move to full-size mounted on the recipient Fiero chassis.Beat alloy panels into shape over wooden bucks like Bertone or layup into a mold pulled from a buck.
So yeah,a huge effort is required,and at the end you may have something like a Bradley or (hopefully) a Frua 914.I suppose that is why I can appreciate the results
Eberhard Shulz attained with his Imperator 108 in the '70s.A verbatim replica of others work would not suffice,so he designed and built his own.An achievement like that requires more than a passing knowledge of design and manufacture.
It all starts with an idea,so determine what your quest is then blaze a path.

a good example of a nicely integrated design



A perfect example of meticulous,determined construction methods.
wow

http://www.gt40s.com/forum/wings-wheels-keels/28393-m20-dreaming.html
Bruce McLaren"woosh bonk...done"

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 16 2014, 08:07 PM

Post #70560

first look,a 356RSR,love

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 16 2014, 08:50 PM

Post #90543

funny thing,found.
from this angle it looks better.
the addition of discrete features+nasa ducts
(edit:07/09/16)
A relic of the past,it has grown on me.



Kinda has some F40 details,V8 too.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 17 2014, 07:31 AM

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 17 2014, 09:12 AM

Nope,
Ferrari 308GT4
Maserati Bora
Maserati Merak
Fiat X19
BMW M1
DeTomaso Pantera
DeTomaso Mangusta


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Fiero

The idea of a low powered runabout with a mid mounted transverse engine was a demonstration of technology sophistication.



The engineering that went into the stamped steel chasssis produced a rigid crash safe exoskeleton.
The only production mid of America.
Check the prices of that poor car and compare to any other mid.
(edit:05/05/16)
80 mph transverse rollover crash tests passed.



http://www.italdesign.it/en/projects/ford-maya-iies-eng/
http://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bin/fiero/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro
All that's required is a dieman to create repair panels for the chronic rust areas.
Then add lightweight power for a decent mid sportster.
Different crash safety requirements,the reason for the 914's cancellation.

Posted by: Sleepin Sep 17 2014, 10:39 AM

That is AWESOME!

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 17 2014, 10:53 AM

The more I more I consider the cylinder heads of the 4cam 613,the more I'm inclined to think they may fit quite easily onto a Corvair shortblock.
Gears are turning here.
A flat 6 or 8 from the Carpathian Mountains.


Bolts? Sure, I've got Bolts.


http://ffilms.org/young-frankenstein-1974/

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 18 2014, 10:22 PM

Post #92638



This is the 8 cylinder type 1 Emerson had built and raced.
went real fast







http://www.wired.com/2011/05/emerson-fittipaldis-double-engine-vw-beetle/

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 19 2014, 01:30 AM

wow ..
split down the middle
on a boxster

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 19 2014, 04:51 AM

Yup..
Real big air scoops



more power,more air,more drag,more power...

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 19 2014, 05:32 AM

Ghia by Karmann
Liked them back then,still do.



Big Sis,early 60s,had that new VW aroma.



updated headlamps
nerf bars

(edit:12/16/15)
http://www.oldbug.com/finch.htm
A more accurate report of this gorgeous Ghia.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 19 2014, 07:11 AM

an attempt at sloping the headlamps to approximate the windscreen.
the chrome rings are retained
conformal

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 19 2014, 08:03 AM

Side view with cam tower exposed showing lifter-block registers and seats.
A custom barrel to carry a roller lifter can be fabricated to seat in the existing bore.

(Edit:10/21/14)
The stud spacing appears to be wide enough to accommodate an 90mm bore cylinder.
Visible cylinder bore is 75mm,so perhaps as much as 90mm(+15mm)
Anyone out there have real specifications of the head stud spacing?
(as resolved from drawing,102mm bcd)

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=222522&st=98

edit:an 80mm(+8mm) stroke would yield 4.07 L,an increase of 1.5L .

Aircooled V8 hemispherical head 16 V pushrod alloy engine.
What's not to like?The crank is likely forged as the diesel manufacturing requires them.
All around a decent small V8 with great potential,just needs some modern tech applied to them.
/
(edit:11/10/15)
Have a look at these few vids.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Tatra+V8+engine&page=1
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(edit:08/06/16):


http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/148769/ecorra-sport-v8-pics
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(edit:08/08/16):


The numbers here are very close,so,a maximum bore diameter of ~90mm.
The cast iron lifter bore bodies are seen attached to the cam tower.Custom versions made to carry roller lifters would fit nicely.
At the bottom,one of the oil coolers is seated on it's seal flanges,the temperature sender at the top of the stud.
The distributor barrel is at the right.

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Posted by: veekry9 Sep 20 2014, 05:23 AM

Isdera Erator GTE,Eberhard Shulz.
I even like his first off.
There was a yewtube of it being thrashed through the black forest,driver's view.(now removed)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyYgYho43mQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khxgb2EP5ac


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2AMLaTDXAo


(edit:07/08/16)
https://www.google.ca/search?q=Isdera+Erator+GTE.&espv=2&biw=960&bih=481&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjf5qHhhuPNAhUE9IMKHQkJBa0Q_AUIBigB
https://www.google.ca/search?q=isdera+imperator&espv=2&biw=960&bih=455&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQ0ajKh-PNAhVp3IMKHUoeAFAQ_AUIBigB
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(Edit:08/14/16):

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 21 2014, 11:23 AM

hmmm Fiero not,a Ford mockup.

http://www.italdesign.it/en/projects/ford-maya-iies-eng/
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Posted by: veekry9 Sep 21 2014, 11:31 AM

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000091-53.html

Looking for a new dash?
Some ideas from the custom Fiero world
Immaculate work by Amida
10/10

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 21 2014, 09:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZZXKIDqv2c



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v39Z8oFpbbE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClRqT2uoXTo&list=UUmleJPWKcuI_ZXOUvqXEFKA

the stuffing of an aircooled v8 into a light sports car..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3zW9uaiVNk

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 29 2014, 04:55 AM

Discovery!

The manufacture of an aircooled V8 integral with transmission and final drive.
The Tatra 613 V8 and
The Tatra 700 V8.







compact design places crankshaft above axle.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 29 2014, 05:41 AM

85mm bore iron cylinders


77mm stroke crank


driveshaft,pinion and crown


cam carriers,top and bottom


hemi heads

it all seems familiar

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 29 2014, 09:25 AM

in fact the axle passes below the crankshaft middle main bearing journal perhaps as little as 25-30mm.




With the sump pan removed,you can see the main bearing cap that carries the axle.
Note chain driven oilpump and filter mount,starter to the right.Aluminum bearing caps are cross-bolted,the block rails extended far below the crank CL,perhaps suitable to carry structural loads.
Mounting the block in front of 901 TX seems possible although the uneeded portions of the casting create a 5-7 kg weight penalty,easily removed.



bare Y-block,differential cast integrally.Front(Rear) fan casting mounts on right,cam drive.


the stash at the wreckers,found at this link:
Obviously unaware of the huge demand for these parts.

http://www.lhotkanet.cz/mirror/aek4470.finalnet.cz/
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(edit:07/31/16):



A unique design modification,to allow the use of the engine in a mid configuration.
The original driveshaft is used to drive a cv joint where the differential formerly was.
A new casting is made to carry the diff,raised from the factory position,dropping the CG,and pan to ride height.
The engine is run with a crank and cam position trigger,for coil on twin plug ignition,no dizzy.
A conversion to chain drive for the cams,and vvt takes less room at the drive end of the block.
A hyvo chain to drive a shaft going forward to a front diff,can make for a awd car.


http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/148769/ecorra-sport-v8-pics
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Posted by: Mike Bellis Sep 29 2014, 09:19 PM

Since the axle is too far forward for a 914, you should... Weld the diff like a spool, mount the engine transversly, install a AWD drivetrain and make the first air cooled V8 AWD 914. The transmission diff will act as the transfer case.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 30 2014, 12:11 AM

The original intent of the designer was to package an entire powerplant and drivetrain into a light compact discrete component.A twin engine 4x4 for example would only require installing an engine package as there are no auxilary peripherals needed,being aircooled.An engine over the axle is a design suitable for front drive and or rear drive and is suitable for adaptation to other applications.Mounting the engine in place of a 914's 4 cylinder,you gain displacement and a few pounds that theoretically at least,is easily shed.I can find no faults in the design and a few unique solutions that simplify the manufacture and maintenance of it.The engine has no inherent problems with pulling studs out of the block or bearing failures,as it's a robust ribbed casting.



here's an example with a turbo mounted,likely with stock components internally.

This is the Tatra-700-EFI:

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 5 2014, 04:24 PM

This is really cute,but somehow the taillights and bumper look too modern for the bug roofline.Perhaps a little Ghia,?

Stuffing an early '63 914 with a 2.5 to 4.4 Litre V8 of an aircooled design has to be OK.
Turns out there may be as few as 10 Tatra V8 engines in North America.
There may be a HotRodder in the EU who may wish to give it a go.
The 4-cam 613 could run with the heads swapped for a hot-V.
Convenient for turbocharging and intercooling plumbing.

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 5 2014, 07:35 PM

Outrigger TwinTurbo
928 S4
Anyone here recognize the trans-axle?(edit 05/03/15:956/962)

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 5 2014, 08:12 PM

Like this Outlaw POLO 356,the '63 914 has a rounded,curved house.
If the hips pinch in at the tail,and the roof-line blends into the vertical face below the trunk-line,a nice Ghia like curvature will result.Voluptuous.
Add a little sponson and the two lamp treatment.
Very 60's retro.

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 19 2014, 12:49 AM

Very nice Silver



A 944 windscreen+roof+hatch+spoiler
Only for those with skills in metalshaping.

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 19 2014, 08:10 AM

+10in (254mm) Wider overall
+4 in (100mm) Wheelbase

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 20 2014, 03:01 PM

Intercoolers + Turbos mid mounted

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 20 2014, 04:56 PM

Liquid cooled?
Requires a rad in front.
A very sophisticated look also from the 924/944/968 product lines.
Well done.I even like the color.
Raised brand logo on rocker is a nice custom touch.

edit:Nov 15/14 found this>
http://members.rennlist.com/bluethunder/coverpag.htm

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 20 2014, 08:15 PM

Chrome Yellow bright pearl.Now with accent stripe in Lime.
WB stretch,18" ATS + Michelin RR sticky.A nice flat TurboSix to motivate.
Rusty 914 + Honda crx roof,hammered into a shape that looks '90s.
The Honda roof a tribute to the iconic 911 curve at a fraction of the cost.



Another look for the CRX roofline transmogrification.
Honda did a nice rendition of the tapered b-glass.
Fits on a Fiero too,transforming the early windscreen slope to a more
modern look,911-ish.
I recall Chuck Beck(edit:Randy) did a 914 > GT1 custom roof that I
liked.Without all the accoutrements of wings n poorly shaped flares,running boards
and air dams it looks ok.Quite reserved but sporty enough to turn heads even with standard power.Really brings the 914 shape into the '90s.

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 20 2014, 09:30 PM

Half flat evergreen.




Creme de Menthe

Posted by: r_towle Oct 20 2014, 09:31 PM

You are bouncing around a lot.
What was that v8 aircooled motor?
What years, what countries was it produced?

Posted by: Dave_Darling Oct 20 2014, 09:47 PM

The Tatra aircooled V8 was built starting in the mid-30s. It was in several models, and went up into late 90s. There may have been diesel truck motors that went later than that.

Early: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_77
Late: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_700

--DD

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 20 2014, 10:35 PM

It would be complicated to import the Tatra V8,whether the early SOHC, pushrod or the later quadcam.
There is some unrealized potential in these sturdy alloy engines,400hp has been bandied about as the number.
The block casting of the 613/700 has that unique integral differential housing,placing the crank 1-1.5 in above the axle.
A very nice design in every way,unappreciated in markets in which it never appeared.
The engine sitting atop the axle in a 914 would,I'm sure,ruin any handling features of the car.
Placing it mid however,you would have a light powerful aircooled V8 with the added bonus of an all Teutonic 914.
The small displacement and stroke makes possible the use of a flat crank and cams plus the heads can be turned for a hot vee exhaust layout.
After all,an aircooled V8 design would enhance the awesome factor of any 914 build.
The difficult part is having a few shipped to your garage at a reasonable cost or any price,just to begin work.
The sound of a 308 GT4 emanating from a 914 would be worth it all,the work being large in dimension.
Be the first on the pit row with a twin turbo version to catch the latemodel of your choice.

(edit:07/06/16)
Zingback to the start of the Tatra dialog.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=222522&st=91
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Posted by: veekry9 Oct 22 2014, 01:26 PM

10in(254mm)wider overall.
4in(100mm) longer wb.
3.1in(80mm) longer behind axle.
2in(50mm)raised w-wells.
17-18in Fuchs replicas in billet.
Wide low profile rubber.
Rocker deepened.
Integral rollbar and chassis structure.



Exposed heat exchanger,corrugated outside panel.

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 22 2014, 01:32 PM

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 23 2014, 11:16 AM

A 911 roofline melded to fit,looks very much factory.
Haven't found any reference to a design studio proposal similar to this.
Remarkable how the Cayman has retained such lines.
The 914's curves look nice ,even now.

Posted by: ClayPerrine Oct 23 2014, 11:20 AM

I have absolutely 0 skills at photoshop, but maybe somebody would like to photoshop a 1973 Boxster for us? Take a 73 914, and graft the front end of a 73 911 targa onto it.

I want to build one in real life, and put a Boxster emblem on the back.

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 23 2014, 12:31 PM

More like an impressionist painting in oil than anything else.
Incredible that it's stock below the beltline.
Looks very modern,telling how far ahead the design of the 914 was in '67.

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 24 2014, 07:15 AM

Now,stuffing an engine of great power into a 914 chassis mandates some
reinforcement,namely a cage structure of Nascar proportion.
A set of tires to handle the high speeds and the wheels to hold them.
Not a single original panel.
Longer,wider wheelbase,3"stretch behind the rear axle.
Door lengthened,carries cage bars.
Waisted rocker in alloy/ss.
Nose rubber 2" longer,lower,so's the bumper,and wider.
Cow catcher air dam for the racecar look,has a rubber lower lip.
Siglamps are moved with the outer fender skin and sloped back to match the nose rubber,so they're longer.
Pop-ups are moved out with the fender,still work.
A 2-Tone anodized/painted wheel center for a modicum of polish.
A 914 Carrera GT?Still a 914,wings optional.

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 24 2014, 10:36 AM

Stahlmetall
Sahara Sand,a dab of paint.
Looks faster now.

Posted by: dlkawashima Oct 24 2014, 11:10 AM

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 24 2014, 12:09 PM

What's not to like?
A wash ,some cosmetic rust repair and a respray in a color of favour.
Add a wing to grace the rear deck and balance the look of a racer.
He's added some airscoops above the rear fender as a bonus.

A 914 modified to a level similar to the GT1's,twenty years later,might satisfy the need for speed.
We now have the cnc technology that was quite expensive at the time,available at reasonable cost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECQv95kN-38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq1eP3NSd6Q

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Posted by: veekry9 Oct 27 2014, 08:39 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8XqNR5i2B8


wow,smooth.8:17.(edit:less grandstand straight gap-7sec=8.10)
https://www.google.ca/maps/place/N%C3%BCrburgring/@50.3460879,6.9653481,271m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x47bfad369010c559:0x80dbc21b73ca589a?hl=en

Quote:
Someone close to the car, "isderaimperator", came by to explain why the car smoked, and how it has the larger, later 6.0 liter Merc motor.
The car in the video it the number 14 of 17 (series I. From Series II there where made 13 pieces).
The car was built in 1988 and has a old AMG 6.0-32v engine (modified 5.0l Mercedes V8) instead of the 560 V8 which came as the standard engine.
The smoke in the vid: Nothing dangerous, just a restoration mistake from 2006.
On the side of the copilot, there is an air intake in the wheelhouse, above the front tyre, for the air-condition.
…and a little bit to much material.
Due to the weight of the copilot and the massive compression in that downhill left corner "fuchsröhre" with around 120mph, the left front tyre had contact with the air intake, and smoke (plastic, tyre) came into the air condition system for a second.
On the road it never happened.
After that trackday the air intake was restored properly by Isdera with the right dimensions.
The track was cold and partly wet. The driver is not an Isdera test driver, but the owner, with racing experience (2012 Champion of the German Hankook Cup- and touring car championship).
Unquote


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjiqXPy3bRw

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 29 2014, 12:31 PM

918 in the morning mist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJEeM5FZcGQ


Also knows the track well.

956 6:37 Derek Bell


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSkEO1VnhaI


20,832 m 6:11.13 Porsche 956 Gr. C Stefan Bellof 28 May 1983
n/a Pole-position for 1983 1000k Sports Car race

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 31 2014, 05:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Thomd4BQg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_CTR



This car was tested with the Isdera i108,Porsche 959,Countach and Ferrari's GTO on the Volkswagen test track by R+T,cover story again.
Can't recall the other cars in the test(edit:AMG supercoupe).Paul Frere was one of the testers.
The Ruf was front and center.
I recall a story about a fellow who imported one here in Montreal or Toronto.
He could as a 25yr rule applied.No doubt very pleased.

(edit:12/06/15)
http://backissues.com/issue/Road-and-Track-July-1987

(edit:12/11/14)
Anyone here know the driver in the video?
I am assuming it's Ruf's test driver who set their record.

(edit:05/03/15)
With a cameraman!fun ride

(edit:10/27/15):

His name is Stefan Roser.
http://www.9tro.com/features/people-places/stefan-roser-road-warrior

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Posted by: veekry9 Nov 9 2014, 04:09 PM

I like this,tho the 917 is rapidly gaining,exiting the esses,towards tertre rouge.
TertreRouge
https://www.google.ca/search?q=lemans+1970+tertre+rouge&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=607&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4z5ifwKTMAhUosIMKHVmYCx0Q_AUIBigB#imgrc=qhFQWVqgmjc73M%3A
NorbertSinger
http://www.autobild.es/motorsport/10-momentos-miticos-porsche-24-horas-le-mans-224131


And this looks right,tho mounted haphazardly,unaligned.


http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=8&st=3515


Somewhere on the continent,a Lime Green 914,with a nice dual lite install.
Looks like a grp bumper with paint,striped detail and a dam.
(edit:07/23/16)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTAG04An2NA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBLxiHxACCk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1y0rMOgZco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkP5Svl16Qg

(edit:11/05/15.This is not a 917,labeled wrong!).................................................................................(This is the sound we all recognize)
(edit:07/07/16)
BTW,http://911handbook.blogspot.ca/2001/06/936-race-car.html



Factory hood,pop-ups,inner fenders,inner doorskin,trunklid.
Rear outer fender moved 100mm rearward.
Rear edge of doorskin followed.
It's blue,nicely buffed to reflect the horizon,parked cars and curb.
Factory late bumper,sectioned,widened,
Siglamps raked,lengthened.
Little baby bumper 914 grew up.
There's plenty of room for cooling and installation of great power.
Factory w-well height and lip.
Rusted relic from '75 seeks resurrection and more cylinders.
Some have pulled the rear w-w to fit wider tires and changed the curvature of the fender slightly.
The result looks nice with a gentle swelling of the longitudinal spline curve.
Extending that curve vertically allows the hump above the fender to rise in a smooth way.
A huge workload,like what I have seen here before.

Posted by: veekry9 Nov 10 2014, 01:22 PM

Face of bumper is factory position.
6-7" longer overall.
Same wb stretch of 100mm.
WW arches wider,taller.
More meat,larger wheels.
Plenty of modern materials.
Rear firewall is factory other than sandwich construction.
Longs are much more substantial.
Door carries intrusion bars,lock to tubeframe chassis.
The house defines the look of the 914,with the targa curve.

Posted by: veekry9 Nov 10 2014, 03:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9n5jAs9ljk


Sure it's possible.

>>YT
I'm sure you have seen this..Jackie Icxx is so very cool.
In those killer years,awareness of mortality appears sobering.

Posted by: veekry9 Nov 14 2014, 12:09 AM

No round headlamps,for those who prefer the rectangular look.
911-ish roofline for a smooth transition to the rear.
Wings optional.Perhaps a electrically deployed version.

Posted by: veekry9 Nov 14 2014, 02:48 AM

For those of you who like the red ones.

Posted by: veekry9 Nov 15 2014, 08:26 AM

https://www.google.ca/search?q=cad+cam&biw=1440&bih=712&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Ql5nVIePGYa2yQTG2ILYBA&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

Anyone here doing Cad-Cam?
During my visits with Restoration Design,I saw modern methods in die design and machining.
I can only recall several screengrabs of a few projects being posted.
Started with it in the '70s,programming heavy NC machine tools.

https://www.google.ca/#q=cad-cam+software

Posted by: veekry9 Nov 15 2014, 10:09 AM

Something like this.
From Paul's thd.
Hard to tell,this may be a different car than the roadster posted previously.
Interesting concept huh?Want wider rubber,widen the car.
Totally changes the character of the Karmann-Ghia to a GT.
I even like the subtle lip it's been given,nothing too garish or outrageous.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=karmann+ghia+boxster&client=ubuntu&hs=fzz&channel=fs&biw=1280&bih=616&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=AqUlVbaqGImRsAWG1oHgBQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAA&dpr=1.5

edit:Same car,...brilliant.

Posted by: veekry9 Nov 16 2014, 06:45 PM

Anyone here know this 914?

(edit:01/21/16)

Patrick Paternie
https://books.google.ca/books?id=yMJFvrORtzAC&pg=PA171&lpg=PA171&dq=porsche+914+center+of+gravity&source=bl&ots=OgYpJX_Mrl&sig=Jn9bKeNBn4GNrf932541IMNGIOw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivnLTvpLrKAhWrxIMKHVRGDcAQ6AEIOjAF#v=onepage&q=porsche%20914%20center%20of%20gravity&f=false

Posted by: Dave_Darling Nov 16 2014, 10:07 PM

Yes. Or rather, I have known it in the past. I remember seeing it at one of the first PCA Club Races that it ran after getting re-bodied. It was pretty awesome...

Just enough 914 left in there to legally run in PCA as a 914.

--DD

Posted by: veekry9 Nov 17 2014, 12:31 AM

A few years ago I was compelled to rid myself of a vast collection of references from around the world.
Publications defunct or otherwise that wrote about sports and racing from the early '60s to then.
So along with a complete Mac that when purchased was 15k I brought it to the curb for disposal.
Along with that great mass of print was an article about this car,for which I have some memory as being V8 powered.
At the time I thought it would make a great project,a midengined 928 powered GT1 looking road car and sometime track toy.
I suppose all the artwork is my way of coming up with a suitable shape to enclose such a highpowered structure.
I haven't seen the car in almost 15 yrs,but somehow always had it simmering,evolving.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=206097&st=20

Reading of this awesome build has come at a great time,and has given new impetus to an ongoing 914 transformation.
I just learned California Motorsports had some part in building it back then.What got my attention was the use of latemodel
911 rear castings and suspension.I admired their design as something out of the ordinary,a 914 matured to 911.
I'm trying to retain some semblance of the original shape,the 944's roofline displaying a hint of the targa curve.
All of you have seen all kinds of attempts to rid the car of it's funky look into the latest fad of slopes,F40s,959s and so on.


https://www.google.ca/#q=Porsche+914+body+kits&start=10

https://www.google.ca/search?q=Porsche+914+body+kits&biw=1440&bih=712&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=s7FpVOKNN4ehyQTgwoKADw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=61cxvfXxJr4IpM%253A%3BCYoz6tOTz1UnpM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fi1124.photobucket.com%252Falbums%252Fl571%252Fmaidenboisemb%252F4ad1c060.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fpixgood.com%252Fporsche-914-body-kit.html%3B1024%3B768

Posted by: Dave_Darling Nov 17 2014, 12:40 AM

The car had (has?) a 993 rear subframe; the cast pieces are quite unique. I think it also uses some modified 993 suspension parts.

The motor was a 2.8 liter 911 engine, as that was the class limit for where it was running.

--DD

Posted by: veekry9 Nov 17 2014, 01:11 AM

Races have records,how well did it do,being prepared to a class restriction.
PCA,POC, years ago,10+ I guess.

Posted by: veekry9 Nov 27 2014, 01:57 AM

Mild widening of fenders and doors.
w-w stock w+h.
Slight lengthening of bumper rubber.
Wider bumper slots for 2 lights.
Sig-lamps sloped+lengthened.

Posted by: veekry9 Nov 27 2014, 06:57 AM

Anyone remember this 914 from the '70s(80s?),and who built it?
924 rear glass?
Wide body that still looks good.
Appears to have a plexi windshield.
Pop-ups functional.
A faceted design,sculpted.

edit:Dec 11-14
Note the step at the rear of the targa bar to accommodate the roof.

(edit:11/07/15)
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=11646
Indeed,an Art Center College of Design grad is on board.
Deep into the labyrinth of 914W,back,back into the past.

Posted by: veekry9 Mar 23 2015, 09:39 PM

Much,much more radical



Much more radical



17" ATS 5-Star

Posted by: veekry9 Mar 27 2015, 11:27 AM

Rear firewall has been sloped rearwards for a more reclined seating position.
A doubler has been installed with a corrugated core to stiffen the firewall,likewise up front.
Wheelbase has been increased 100-150mm to accommodate the larger and longer engine/tx package.
A widening of the sheetmetal to make room for the larger wheels and tire combos.The wheelwells have been raised 2-3".
Front late bumper has been dropped 1" from it's factory position and deepened 2",all in grp.
Sidemount radiators and oil coolers is the purpose of the large sidescoops,the door carrying the side intrusion cage bars.
A fixed roof and removable targa panels make the rollover structure stiff with integral tubes in the targa bar,the house lengthened.
The original spline curves have been exaggerated for a waisted curve at the doorskins and fenders,blending into the rolled rocker.
The car is painted the same colour as the '62 bug I had in the '70s,and a nice metalflake in the shade shows the curves well.
A slight recurve of the front lid's lip has been done to allow the widened fenders and bumper to fit smoothly together.
The inner fenders are unchanged as is the frunk,with the spare in place.The rear trunk's lid has been lengthened,as has the trunk behind the axle.
The sloping of the siglites has required that the lenses be lengthened for that sharper nose.
No chopping or channeling,some sectioning and stretching,hammering and planishing.
Plan 9 from Mars.

Posted by: veekry9 Mar 29 2015, 02:23 PM

Colour of bronze,a sort of dark copper,candy,pearl flip.
Added a small grille to manage the air under the car,redirecting to the outside rear.

Posted by: veekry9 Mar 29 2015, 03:31 PM

Hmmm..If he fit a bigblock into a 911,no doubt it would fit into the 914,right?
914,slightly rusted,no engine,no transaxle,no problem.500+inches of Cadillac fun.
http://www.enercalc.com/porsche/

(edit:12/16/15)
Come to think of it,I do recall skimming across it in some carmag back then.
The luggage disguise the salient point,the Castiron Caddy not so much.
I did like the HotRod approach.
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The THM325-3spd auto transmission.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=gm+thm425+transmission&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=642&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjw1rfL3_nOAhWI2R4KHRFxAUIQ_AUIBigB&dpr=1.5

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Posted by: veekry9 Apr 8 2015, 01:44 AM

Amberlites,bumperlites,colourmatch matte finish on grille and bumper,rubberlike.

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 8 2015, 01:52 AM

Modified house,rear firewall.

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 16 2015, 11:02 PM

Skynoon blue metallic pearl,engine of choice option.
The nose is 4" longer,the early bumper shorter and wider.A simple grille added to make a modern face for the valance,guiding air to the path of least resistance.
A substantial widening and deepening of the longs to torsionally stiffen the chassis,room for fuel cells.
A hydraulic retention system to clamp door intrusion cages to chassis tubular structure,enhancing rigidity,not merely hanging there.

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 18 2015, 06:16 PM

Able to keep a fast pace,provides immense power and makes engine music.



http://www.carbuildindex.com/35917/monster-lotus-exige-build-with-bmw-m5-v10-engine-swap/

Yes,it fits nicely with a little fab work.Can't wasn't mentioned.
Awesome build,abundance of talent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToYt0g-L3h8

In Sweden
http://rejsa.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74693&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Posted by: sixnotfour Apr 21 2015, 08:52 AM

Attached image(s)

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 23 2015, 10:40 PM

More Modern headlamps,composite bumper.Candy over heavymetalflake.

Posted by: veekry9 Jun 16 2015, 05:45 PM

A latemodel take on cooler scoops,circa '80.Targa has been lengthened too.Now with hood stripe.


Standard wheelbase,widebody.

Posted by: Big Len Jun 16 2015, 06:12 PM

Holy crap....love the double fogs in chrome.

Posted by: sb914 Jun 16 2015, 06:18 PM

Is that a photo shop? Or is that a real car?

Posted by: veekry9 Jun 16 2015, 06:40 PM

As real as any computer model can be.A slight bump in the road on my way to 914 nirvana,a glitch,meanwhile we work the design.
A little time spent on the Gimp and a new front valance becomes possible,some advantage in drag,the bottom of the car modified to guide the turbulent air out to the rear,feeding the induced wake.This rendition has had the 100-150mm wheelbase stretch,the rear fender reworked for a larger radius and height,a "fat"look.This is a ton of work,a major reconstruction of the 914 to super,not merely powerful status.A job many California speed shops would have no trouble with.
/

Visual acuity.
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=depth+perception+issues
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Posted by: veekry9 Jun 17 2015, 03:49 PM

Olive




Some shades of modern paint.
Fit the Hella road phaser spots,retro `60s style.I tried to avoid the Corvair similarities.




(edit:11/06/15)
Look what showed up in a search for "Wright Flyer"
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=19030
Beautiful work of art,glad I found it.

Posted by: veekry9 Jun 18 2015, 03:28 PM

Wanted a record here,anyone know the fate of this car or it's whereabouts?
I understand it was a kit(one-off) of grp panels,certainly done by a 914 enthusiast.

Posted by: veekry9 Aug 21 2015, 03:44 PM

Radically modded. A nice version of the 5Fuchs in 17-18"


Major metal surgery.


No vinyl topping.

Posted by: veekry9 Aug 24 2015, 05:27 PM

Slice and Fill,18 cm(7") stretch in the longs below the firewall.
The dimensions are to scale.The windscreen slope has 4* of rake.
The glass and sheetmetal is moved forward into the cowl,the post is shortened 2".

[attachmentid=513917]
Wider and Longer.


A heavy cage.More work.Now with a full cage,the doors hydraulically clamped to their closely mating seats.
Integral to the perimeter of the opening,carrying race and road loads,stiff.
Note that the 'long' structure rises to the rear,deepening the long and matching the doorskin's lower edge.

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Attached image(s)

Posted by: veekry9 Aug 26 2015, 05:57 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TvA8cE6230


https://www.youtube.com/user/teamgunnar/videos

some linxs to music

Posted by: veekry9 Aug 29 2015, 01:05 PM

Latemodel nose and longer dam/grill,targa bar lengthened and dropped at rear,the A pillar is unchanged.
Some side gills to doll it up and act as vents.The targa curve has been sloped and extended.
The engine bay is 7"/180mm longer for the massive engine/tx package,the purpose of the gimpix.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 8 2015, 02:22 PM

A few repairs made,more power,new tires/wheels.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 8 2015, 02:24 PM

Action pose of a contender.

Posted by: Millerwelds Sep 8 2015, 03:02 PM

Love the renderings. Good vision and great to see them so lifelike.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 10 2015, 05:49 PM

Needs a wing.

Posted by: theleschyouknow Sep 10 2015, 07:04 PM

cool renderings good to see ya back - been awhile
back on your meds or off?
seriously love the artwork lots of work to bring it to the street tho

cjl

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 25 2015, 02:20 PM

yah,them chems really constipated me a few weeks ago,so,I was like full of kot.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 25 2015, 02:26 PM

Yeah I drew it first,then I made them.Simple.



When I was younger,working the clay.
A repertoire of excellence.



An abundance of these are available in South America,go get some.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 25 2015, 02:41 PM

"the Red Fox has a long nose"
The snout is no longer than the factory baby bumpers.
An aero tray to direct high pressure to the rear,avoiding the (pressure) differential below the racer.
I noted this day that the builder has installed bench upholstery,likely to gain more headroom with the helmet.I might like the same treatment to shed some kilos.
A righthooker for the Cooper nose job,in extreme proportion.



In blue,a simply formed variation to punch the air,reducing the apparent flat plate area.
Make faster with the same power.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 25 2015, 03:06 PM

A chalkboard was used to express the idea.

(edit:01/21/16)



As per drawing,5L-V12 Longitudinal.



The actual Countach we drooled on at the show in TO,I recalled the fitment of the frunk,so I 'repaired' it in Gimp.I even like the color,new in 69.

A longitudinal mid.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 30 2015, 08:47 AM

The wing is the thing.
A much larger derriere,the proportions remain similar to original measure.

Posted by: veekry9 Sep 30 2015, 08:50 AM

A forlorn 924/944 resurrected as a mid,a difficult transition.
Looks neat tho.

Checking the ads for a cheep 944,engineless.



(edit:11/24/15)
Outside of the box,a real Porsche.Turbo'd n Chilled It is however,still front engine!
http://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-944-951-968-forum/201800-swedish-race-944-with-air-cooled-boxer.html
http://gatebil.no/gallery_photo/
http://www.performanceforums.com/forums/showthread.php?67264085-What-engine-Conversion-did-you-always-want-to-do/page10

Posted by: Dave_Darling Sep 30 2015, 12:38 PM

The engine lid is at the wrong angle. It also looks rather smaller in scale than the rest of the car.

Unless it's sporting a super-narrow engine tilted up oddly?

--DD

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 1 2015, 04:03 PM

Ya,I put it there to be visible at the viewpoint of the drawing,so the fan was visible,the injector covers are merely decorative.
While I was working on an 8,a 12 came up.An x configuration,solves a couple of problems and creates others.Seems workable tho.
(720/6)/2=60*.An unusual layout made more viable by the 15* VR6.(Quote:You can't do ....).
No overnight sensation,this is a long term project with plenty of challenges.Like how do you incorporate a vvt layout with only 4 cams?
/
(edit:05/26/16)

New metallurgy allows significant weight loss,thermal conductivity improved.


A set of cylinders of minimum mass.



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Posted by: veekry9 Oct 7 2015, 12:27 PM

Pretty Pix of the computer model of the X12.



Used sbc dimensions for the rods,etc.This is a huge displacement,4.25 bore x 3 stroke.
4.06" Bore X 2.5" Stroke=427"/7L
What it will sound like..
http://audacityteam.org/download/
 935_12_05.mp3 ( 1.14mb ) Number of downloads: 133

A nice tone for a phone or alarm,wake to the sounds of a 935-12.
the original file:  935.MP3 ( 1.14mb ) Number of downloads: 89

Posted by: sixnotfour Oct 7 2015, 01:49 PM

80's build......


Attached image(s)

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 7 2015, 02:14 PM

Sure,this is at the root of the Martian9 body.
One of the drawbacks is the aero drag,can't install the heavy door bars and have windows that move.
Certainly a much simpler approach,one that has worked well in the past and looks acceptable now.
My endeavor is the smooth-sided with the massive scoops and intercoolers,maintaining the cg of a mid.
The effect of the weight of the rads up front can be tested by simply filling a pail of water and swinging it about at 140mph.
The other purpose of the large (TR)side scoops is to fill the rear of the targa,reducing induced drag,with the fan.
The major surgery and workload doesn't put me off at all,as some of my work related jobs took 8+ months to complete(turbines).
The doorskins are fair game for my plans,and may be subject to a material change,to make more light.Patient,critical design.
The only criticism I have is the spoiler,which,of course,is not effective at all,reminiscent of ricer additions to compact sedans.
A more radical change to the concept of adding great power,calls for a serious rollcage and the addition of lightweight components.
A watercooled engine requires I include radiators,intercoolers,hoses,pumps and fans.By confining the added mass to the central
regions of the wheelbase,the cg can be maintained,instead of the 'dumbell' additions at each end,with their larger moments of inertia.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=moment+of+inertia&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=642&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwj_k_mut8nOAhVCkh4KHW2WCusQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=Bm2rbQgLfgnaAM%3A

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Posted by: veekry9 Oct 13 2015, 02:36 PM

Siamesed Int ports,helical



Chambers,Seat bores



Out through the int holes



More



Port tubes outer skins

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 13 2015, 02:51 PM

Add some reflections



Appears to be a pair of 60* V6's sharing a common 6 pin crank.
More accurately, a pair of sixes 60* apart,meeting an even fire order.



Right side view,a simple shoebox head,4valve.



Angular view,with case ribs and studs,head studs,Mbearing webs






Some top views,showing the offsets of each bank,shorter than the v or flat arrangments.
The short stroke and large Mbearing dia allows an ample pin overlap.

Posted by: mgp4591 Oct 14 2015, 02:22 AM

At first I didn't know what to think of that body mod, but the more I saw of it over at Genes the more I liked it and if the money was here at the time it might have been mine! We researched the kit and never really found out whether it's a one-off or a kit you can still buy but with a little work it will look sharp! The lines are definitely there and it even suggests lines of the Carrera GT to a degree- have you done any research on it to find out where the parts came from?

Posted by: sixnotfour Oct 14 2015, 04:38 AM

its a one off CA. 80's build.. running driving,,,914-6

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 15 2015, 10:28 AM

Some reading from the references therein.


 LTU_EX_06099_SE.pdf ( 1.82mb ) Number of downloads: 653



http://www.rotaryeng.net/Voyager-Eng.pdf
t4201.pdf
velaccdiag.pdf
LTU-EX-06099-SE.pdf
Mahindra 2 Wheelers - Piston Skirt profile Optimization to eliminate Scuffing and Seizure in a Water and Air Cooled gasoline engine using PISDYN_ForSharing.pdf
117_IJHE_January 2015.pdf
Malpress_afmc_16_07.pdf
538-115.pdf
43662.pdf
20154060.pdf
aerosim_ug.pdf
AirCoolerdHotAir.pdf
A-Theoretical-Model-For-Selection-Of-V-angle-And-Determination-Of-Firing-Order-For-Balancing-Of-V6-engine.pdf
DEA.pdf
definition-F02F.pdf
e3-11-01-03.pdf
energies-08-05866.pdf
Engines.pdf
Garrett_White_Paper_01_Water_Cooling.pdf
httpwww_bg_utp_edu_plartjok32007jo20kones20200720no20320vol201420mitianiec.pdf
IJHE 2013_Kewal.pdf
lecture-7.pdf
LiquidPiston-XMini-Specifications.pdf
l-ring_effect.pdf
ogst08082.pdf
Princeton-CEFRC2.pdf
qip-ice-25-cooling systems.pdf
SAE010903.pdf
Szilard_Engine.pdf
YRJ-1992-IIII.pdf



http://gibtecpistons.com/?page_id=81

Planning a blown engine?


(edit:11/25/15)

 PETRONAS_superbike_engine_case_study.pdf ( 457.77k ) Number of downloads: 266

Worthwhile reading,even now,almost a decade later,just to be on the same page.
http://www.eurospares.com/graphics/engine/a-c-e-searcheable.pdf
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Posted by: veekry9 Oct 22 2015, 03:46 PM

Exhaust Ports,with a large bridge to facilitate cooling.

Posted by: mrfourteen Oct 22 2015, 05:19 PM

Early Subarfaroo ran Borgward flat 4s

Posted by: veekry9 Oct 22 2015, 05:30 PM

Van engine?
The Pentastar.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/chrysler-reveals-major-revisions-to-pentastar-v-6/

Available at your local wreckers.




http://www.compositesworld.com/articles/high-temp-thermoplastics-higher-expectations
https://www.google.ca/search?q=glass+filled+nylon+auto+parts&espv=2&biw=1097&bih=546&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiK9fSLksLPAhWJsh4KHfSZANcQ_AUIBSgA&dpr=1.75

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Posted by: veekry9 Nov 2 2015, 03:23 PM

Mostly stock components.VVT.
An exercise in ic design,you know,like roll your own.
An aircooled 12 cylinder to fit inside the 914 envelope,a proposal that the 917 engine cannot meet.
Note the raised cam towers ala Julius Mackerle's Tatra.A vvt setup not available to the designers in '58-69.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Mackerle
Lightening up on the reciprocating parts and some elements from this decade makes for a viable -12.
A liquid cooled set of heads makes a 4valve arrangement possible,reducing mass of the valves for a given area.
A convenient feature is the proximity of the exhaust ports for a turboed variant,upping the ante for ultimate power levels of a Nurburgring endurance trackster.
The above pix is a simple Corvair version limited by all of the original factors of that design.


This is a 290 Cummins roller cam follower,cast.

ref:http://www.flycorvair.com/delabruere.html

Posted by: veekry9 Jan 31 2016, 06:55 PM

Making it all fit,in a nice 904 house,the LeMans windscreen a great fit on the 914.
The windscreen is indeed a 904,and therefore a little pricy,making this six conversion no cheap thrill.
Very light,strong,powerful,quick and fast,all the wishes granted for this 914.
A revised double wishbone front suspension,the rear getting a pair too,(mebee a fabbed upright in light wrought alloy).
The latemodel bumpers have been radically modded to meld with the lengthened nose and tail's bottom,a major change.
A normal door,widened,with windup intact,the frame in cfrp,the glass waterjetted to fit.
Inside,the standard interior will do,the seats customised to shave 60mm off the bottom,the same as the roof's chop.
This is the factory wheelbase,the track widened to carry the larger modern rubber,I chose the ATS 5-Phons of the 928.
The nose and frunklid have been heavily modded to meet the windscreen's valance in a smooth radius,following the cowl.
The nose of the lid is radiused to match the new bumper's recurve.
A good deal of work,not for the faint of heart,a modern suspension with the factory parts reworked.
Two months later,I did some drawing,mapping out the front suspension,setting up the rear for a big change.
I haven't added the massive sidescoop,yet,letting the shape grow on me a little while.
Like,not looking at it,then,looking at it,to see if I still like it.
I do!

Posted by: Mueller Jan 31 2016, 07:11 PM

Not too shabby....currently one on eBay, less than 10K miles for only $1600 or best offer...Would look great with some ITBs on it.

You play with Fusion360 yet?

Posted by: veekry9 Jan 31 2016, 07:28 PM

I've used many/most software,cad and or cam packages over the last four and a half decades.
Currently in love with Rhino,because of the versatile plug-ins available.
https://www.rhino3d.com/sales/north-america/
Every once in a while I'll look and test drive something new or upgraded older packages.
Some are downright funky and counter intuitive,requiring huge training budgets to use with any efficiency.
I think I posted about some of those crash programs the post processors puked out,costing large.

Posted by: veekry9 Jan 31 2016, 07:36 PM

Somewhere someone posted about Honda van engines and I thought the numbers of Chrysler
and now Fiat/Chrysler V6's were worth a gander.
Walking in the yard with a tape and a camera,taking pix of the new ones with the varicams.
The single exhaust ports most suitable for the turbo application,heh,heh.
And like the price is right,dirt cheep for the bangs you could have.

While you're there,pick up a transaxle for it.
Many flavours.
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=gm%20automatic%20transmission
http://www.getrag.com/en/home/index.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getrag

Posted by: veekry9 Feb 2 2016, 01:25 PM

150mm longer wheelbase,2600.
To accommodate the longer engine transaxle package.
The intercoolers are sidemounts,between the axles,mid.
Temperature gradient coating paint.

Posted by: veekry9 Feb 2 2016, 01:29 PM

The 2016 Cayman is visible,wheelbase of 2474.
The front axles line up,the scale +/- 1.5mm,(1/16").
The rear valance of the Cayman is visible.
This pix is a 2D view,lining up the images in the same Z plane,appearing to have depth of field.
The venturi ceiling is at the height of the bumper top,roughly,the channels run alongside the tub,widened.
The front splitter is an option for the track,the main channel ports running inside the wheelwells.
The large scoops feed the intercoolers and lowpressure volume behind the targa,getting a good signal.
Turbulators trip the belly flow in the channels to enhance rotational velocity and pressure drop.
Looking through the car in ZD the original 914 chassis still there,massaged to meet the build sheet.
A stack of detail drawings inches thick,like for the steelmill rolling lines of twenty years ago.
Our departed pres called it "Imagineering", we then machined those ideas,enjoying the work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagineering
More to come.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=222522&st=216

Standard wheelbase.

Posted by: veekry9 Feb 5 2016, 07:07 AM

Had to do a Bahia L30E and blackout rocker.
The front and rear bumpers get the same treatment,a little differently,a kind of two tone muzzle look.Blackout on the inside.
The rear trunkline has been raised,to meet the 904's tapered targa,the result more trunk space,and or more under trunk room for the 'diffusers'.
Considerations not made in the 60's when the 914 idea germinated from the 904's success.
An inexpensive runabout,a modern take on a convertible,the grp roof panel stowed in the trunk,so mod.
Horseshoeing a large powerful engine into it,a reasonable quest,makes for different reinforcement requirements.
The compromise in 2016 can be the materials used,the preferred being the lightest and strongest,placed around the mandated chromolly cage.
The monocoque structures at both ends fasten to the cage,the loads transferred through multiple hardpoints.
The door intrusion structure is a loadbearing part of the cage,hydraulically secured from movement,the fitment close.
Something a little different.Ah,ATS-5-18 in billet,8"+10".

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Posted by: 7TPorsh Feb 5 2016, 11:02 AM

I love this! Needs Fuchs!

Posted by: veekry9 Apr 23 2016, 01:51 PM

Reskinned Fiero,VVT Northstar,AWD,
more..
Actually,Cad Cien Concept.
I so like.
/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNQBDqUkb6o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_EB110
Still,28 yrs later a great car to aspire to.
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Posted by: phillstek Apr 23 2016, 03:58 PM

Attached thumbnail(s)

Posted by: veekry9 May 13 2016, 04:11 PM

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=222522&st=140
A FeO inflicted 914,dragged from a field,no engine,TX or interior.Sound familiar?
Why,section and splice-in an intact Fiero chassis center,becoming a composite of two unloved midengine vehicles,loved.
What you get is a complex of steel stampings proven to withstand an 80mph lateral rollover test,a premade 'tub'.
Further reinforcment with chromolly tubular members to carry the 914 chassis attaches makes for a very stiff unibody,corner to corner.
The stretched 914 doors attach in the normal way,hinges placed to meet the Fiero bulkhead,the side window rails modded to carrry the new glass.
Now,a smoothly integrated CRX roofline from the choppers saves a ton of work to the streamlined 911 like profile.
Paint it a color not on the 914 list to suit the narpanista origins,in spite of the Porsche engine of least cost,the 924's,in turbo form.


http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000091-57.html
Man,that is some beautiful craftmanship and vision,a re-imagined custom car int.


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Posted by: veekry9 May 14 2016, 08:53 AM

More mods,a slight change in the beltline to meet the rear's hump.
The same 914 WB,the power of choice is the TT 3.6,or perhaps the Subaru H6.
I still like the idea of a latemodel's front TX installed for a poorman's 959 drivetrain.
Some real outside the lines work to bring it to fruition,a diff mated to the rear(front) of a block,
driven by a gearbox ahead of the engine,mimicing the Lamborghini Countach of '69.
The whatif of the 14's targa replacement with a custom piece built around a 904's windscreen.
I superimposed the late Cayman and observed the possibility of the use of the wider,later glass.
A waterjetted example would fit right in and enhance the look of a custom 914,a huge fan installed at an angle.
I'll workup a Cayman or Boxster glass install to see how it would look,the widths matching the widened 14's chassis.
The 904's wraparound does look so right in it's place on the custom roofline,Unobtanium's and Jake's flat 12 endeavors 'stimulating'.

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Posted by: DullWitch May 15 2016, 01:48 AM

NT

Posted by: veekry9 May 17 2016, 10:31 AM

Looks ok,a color not often seen on 914s,a medium green light metallic,a kind of Zagato tint.
A small change in some curves,the composite roofline modified from the 904's windscreen rearward,the rollup door glass more 914.
Of the variations to the targa curve since the beginning,all attempting to mask the unusual design,none looked like this.
A retro roof for the 914,lower,narrower,slightly smoother in the air.With an 800$ Caddy V6 and a nice 6spd,goes like,a very quick and fast 914.
Some work on the suspension and braking must be done to handle the more than quadrupled power,
lateral links to control the trailing arms that are prone to getting all twisted around.
The Mahle look alikes in a larger diameter to carry the wide low profile modern rubber,the power demanding more grip.
A huge job applied to a derelict 914 near you,the condition irrelevant,the changes and hammering so large in scope.

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Posted by: veekry9 Jul 22 2016, 02:52 AM

Less radical than the two above,a slight widening of the flanks.The work required to modify the original doors is apparent.
It has a lift up rear section that mimics the 904's,though a separate trunk panel is built in.The shape is reminiscent of the 904's,the windscreen the only common part.
The slope of the frunklid is extended several inches,the latemodel's 'crunchbox' replicated in lightweight grp/abs/vinyl,and carries twin LED lamps.
Some metalwork is done to remove the doggles that receive the new bumper,twin cooler scoops integrated that are similar to the chromed potmetal/plastic of the early's.
All of the work of other's prior '914+904' versions,suffered from the lack of the original windscreen,a significant feature,and great looking on the 914's later mod shape.
Note the length of the roofline behind the sideglass,and how the green gasburner above is much longer,a more attractive iteration.
The cab-forward position of the glass is what makes the slope of the trailing roofline meet the trunk's top in a pleasing way.
Smoother through the air,less turbulence induced and a giant fan,pulling a low pressure beneath the car,an upflow,like the Hall CanAms.
With a wing above and behind the roof,spats and a scraper up front,a 20mph advantage for the hp available.
Stable at speed,the air controlled,the pressures managed to push the shape down,trying to be slick.

Inspired by the Unobtanium 914+904,an evolution of a shape,with a purpose.
With the wheelbase stretch,a longer engine/tx package can be installed without holing the firewall,a matter of 100-150mm.
A flat six would of course need little,if any extra space,a V8 of course could use the room,depending on the dimensions of the engine used.
The huge pillow of air trying to get under the nose is given a low drag place to go,into the tunnel located outside the inner door panel.
Separated from the flow under the belly,and given a good signal at the rear low pressure area.
The cross sectional area from the front to rear is a growing dimension,allowing great flow of cooling and aerodynamic smoothing air.
The room afforded,allows a robust cage,intrusion panels and rollup windows,very convenient.Tubular.
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Here are your Five-Fuchs.
You spelled your name wrong!

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Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 22 2016, 04:01 AM

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Posted by: veekry9 Jul 22 2016, 05:18 AM

He wanted more luggage room,undoubtedly,and has achieved space for the new purpose.
Heck,he may be using the car for something never imagined,horticulture.
Give him a call and ask if it is for sale,to do a restore.
California,huh?

https://www.google.ca/search?q=weed+states+usa&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=642&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjgjMTq-IbOAhUJpIMKHVYvBJYQ_AUIBigB&dpr=1.5
Oreo-gone.


Maybe they are discussing the great dent he's pointing to.
With a spare trunklid,the convertible dumpster trunk is quickly replaced with a smoothy.
Weird things happen in Ca,the crack of the earth at cause,perhaps.

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Posted by: sb914 Jul 22 2016, 07:51 AM

Tow truck driver has two heads

Posted by: veekry9 Jul 22 2016, 07:59 AM

Nah,two-faced.
Not an unusual affliction in the trade.Once they get their hooks into you..

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Posted by: iamchappy Jul 22 2016, 08:03 AM

Id keep the side pillars more stock looking to retain the 914 identity. I don't think they need to swept back.

Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 22 2016, 08:38 AM

It was on fire...dry chem

Posted by: veekry9 Jul 22 2016, 09:31 AM

Thanks,great idea.Hadn't occurred to me,I'll do a version,to try it on for size.
The trailing roofline was an attempt to separate the flows,the inertia of the air creating large turbulent vortices.
The LeMans windscreen and those 'walls' made for a smoother passage,needing less hp to push through.
Heck,a vertical separator with a spline curve would work the same as the LMPs.
A bit flash though,I wished to keep it soap bar smooth,60s like.
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A compromise,retaining the high rear deck line.More headroom,and a visually low roof proportion.
It's chopped,50mm or so.Up top,the comparison to the '16 Cayman is clear.Down low and fast.

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Posted by: Ferg Jul 22 2016, 09:38 AM

Is it just the picture or are those French rear lenses?

Posted by: veekry9 Jul 22 2016, 11:00 AM

German.

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(edit:07/24/16):
https://www.google.ca/search?q=plastic+lense+molder+germany&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=642&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEpP_e5YzOAhVJxoMKHX4IBMoQ_AUIBigB#tbm=isch&q=automotive+plastic+lense+molder+germany&imgrc=Mqt_lgXxgU_IgM%3A
http://www.prototypetoday.com/tag/injection-molding
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Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 22 2016, 11:07 AM

Congrats you are almost to 1964 Ferrari 250 LM by Scaglietti...


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Posted by: veekry9 Jul 22 2016, 11:47 AM

Well,I did purchase a 1:18 diecast model of the 250LM as a gift,some half dozen yrs ago.
But no,the intent was to trial fit the 914 with the sloped LeMans windsceen,as it has a more rounded profile.
*The 250 LM glass by the way,is only available to the owners of the original cars,factory,I believe.And pricey.*
(edit:07/23/16)Totally wrong on that,it is then,possible to meld a 250's windscreen onto a 914's chassis.
Gee,thanks,[sixnotfour],I would never have considered the proposal.*A wider,taller windshield,allowing more shoulder room.*
(edit:07/27/16):Well,after some measurements,it is the 904's windscreen that is taller,the 250's is wider and more sloped.
http://www.pilkington.com/en-gb/uk/automotive/makes-and-models/ferrari

But,the Lancia Stratos windscreen is a piece that is not too dear.
Way rad.




718-8 2L Le Mans '63


718-8 2L Nurburgring '63

It is apparent what they were trying to achieve,aero like.
Smooth.
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Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 22 2016, 11:54 AM

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Posted by: veekry9 Jul 22 2016, 12:10 PM

"First shown at Geneva in 1965, the 250 LM ‘Stradale’ then left for the USA where it remained until now. It is equipped with electric windows and leather seats."
http://www.velocetoday.com/villa-deste-2013/

Man,I adore the perspex rear window,with the formed vents,a detail later done,also by Pininfarina,with the 288 GTO.
A Cool 17M+.

(edit:07/24/16):

250LM Stradale 6025 at MtDiablo,CA.

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(edit:07/26/16):
A happy ending.
http://www.carbuildindex.com/29459/engine-reunited-with-64-ferrari-250-lm-after-40-years-now-headed-for-auction/
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Posted by: veekry9 Jul 22 2016, 01:23 PM

A raised roofline,for the taller driver,with helmet.
The seats,dropped 40mm,closer to the floor pan,the firewall sloped,the footbox lengthened.
Note that the wheelwells have been raised,the front to the same height as the frunklid.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=222522&st=50
That glass would be a custom formed piece,fitting the factory upper frame,the lower seat modified for a similar radius as the 904's.
A form(mold) would have to be made for the short run,tempered,laminated safety glass.
Not cheep tho.

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Posted by: Rand Jul 22 2016, 01:29 PM

Reminds me of this... (pic from WCR 2011)

Posted by: JmuRiz Jul 22 2016, 02:02 PM

Always loved the 250LM, viewed it as a Ferrari 914 (granted it was pre 914)
Believe it or not there was a time not-so-long ago when they weren't insanely priced...kind of like the 904 etc. Forget about it now.

Posted by: veekry9 Jul 22 2016, 02:53 PM

Well,a jackpot winner,with 300M after taxes might consider such a bauble.

A trip to the moon,or Mars...

So,a derelict 914 chassis,some sweat equity and various Porsche organs,shake until competitive.
Driving about to make rescues of the numbers,as Unobtanium does with the 356.
A large 'Field of Dreams'steadily decaying as we watch.
Once kissed by the 914 pixie,hard to avert one's affection,and coinage.

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Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 22 2016, 03:40 PM

So if you enough and look just right ...you might see some resemblance or not actually mines the 13yr newer model


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Posted by: veekry9 Jul 22 2016, 04:02 PM

The curve,modified,soon to be tweaked,again.
Testing..
In the light metallic blue they look so good in,some sky colour.


250LM Stradale,V12 Longitudinal.
You might have something there,a germ of the ideas they had in the late 50's.
Later,Lamborghini turned things around with the Miura and Countach.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=222522&st=199
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Posted by: veekry9 Jul 22 2016, 04:06 PM

Some mods,and a scraper,with 916 style diverters.
Hmmm..what will I do next?A stretch and a raising of the rear trunkline.
To make room.

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Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 23 2016, 09:05 AM

just buy a 904 body and ..... there was a show once called "chop cut rebuild"

Posted by: veekry9 Jul 23 2016, 11:03 AM

(edit:07/23/16)
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chop+cut+rebuild
I looked at a few episodes,when possible,liked the show and the work done.



Purchase a windscreen from Pilkington.
http://www.pilkington.com/en-gb/uk/automotive/makes-and-models/porsche
Then,create the surround and underlying cage structure.
The male plug for the molds,drawn in cad,machined in cam,polished to symmetry.
Later,if one wished,a sheetmetal skin could be pounded and wheeled out,because aluminum is light too.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=247031&hl=
A 904 replica or homage is a worthy endeavor,if done well.((Edit:08/12/16):The 904's windscreen looks pure sex on the 914's lower body,so well raked)
A drawing of a trial fit has inspired a 250LM comparision,and although flattering,the windscreen is the only similarity,and differently sized.
Neato,the smaller,narrower,904's glass and roofline makes the sectioned,stretched 914 bodyshell slicker.
A lot of work,the drawings the plan,and only the seed,or beginning,of a total custom.
With a pumped up P6 or H6,the performance would satisfy,briefly.
Go ahead,resurrect a 914 near you,instructions can be found here on the World.


(edit:07/24/16)

Ferrari fit 'that thing'(the Columbo 3.3L V12),into a 250LM,with some well planned,(drawn),forethought.
The 250LM has a WB 50mm(2") shorter than the 914,so,it is a tight squeeze.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_250
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_Colombo_engine
https://www.google.ca/search?q=ferrari+V12+engine+casting&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=642&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJqZHt3IzOAhVJ2IMKHdduChQQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=8qDmKnYOo9fAUM%3A

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Posted by: veekry9 Jul 23 2016, 03:43 PM

Well,I raised the rear trunkline,widened the fender at the rear wheel,
and generated a creaseline that fades in as it goes forward,from the top of the fender,fading out toward the rear of the front wheel opening lip.
The top of the front fender has been given a more pronounced curvature that fades into the top of the doorskin,a subtle hint of TR,Pininfarina.
Similar to what I did to the metallic blue stretch.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=222522&st=171
Soon to be scooped,a huge character change,from mild to wild.
Still maintaining the 914 targa curve,modded.

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Posted by: Rand Jul 23 2016, 03:46 PM

You have mad photochop skills. But I'm with the previous thoughts: Too much sail swoop. A couple of the real pics posted look better. Just a $.01, not critical.

Posted by: veekry9 Jul 23 2016, 04:30 PM

Gimp.
Very much a newbie with the software,functions easily enough for my needs,quick.
What's great is the programmable functions,for custom effects.
Used as a front end for cadcam and blender,versatile.
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What is the 'swoop'you speak of?
Is what you are describing,actually a 'curve'?

Here are some:enjoy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curve
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=spline+naval+shipbuilding
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spline_interpolation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-uniform_rational_B-spline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9zier_curve
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parabola
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbola
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicycloid
https://www.google.ca/search?q=triangular+tessellated+surface&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=642&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjA89DM0ozOAhWC64MKHQssDvYQ_AUICCgB
https://www.google.ca/search?q=nurb+surface&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=642&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwisx_T20ozOAhVi7oMKHSyDAeUQ_AUIBigB

Machined,by spline(nurb) interpolation,molds,dies,and various other light and heavy metals,and composites.
Decades of the work,never heard anyone describe a 'swoop',tho I have seen a Red Tail Hawk swoop for a mole.



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(edit:07/26/16):
https://www.scribd.com/doc/56621108/Engineering-Drawing
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Posted by: veekry9 Jul 23 2016, 07:13 PM

Wilder,needs a wing and a scraper.
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Posted by: worn Jul 25 2016, 08:48 AM

Although not as ultra cool, you needn't physically join the engines. I grew up in Seattle where they imported a lot of foreign. An informal drag strip was down by Shilshole Bay. I would swear there were stories about a VW beetle with twin engines. One mounted in the passenger compartment. Getting the power of the second engine to the ground might be tricky with a 914.

Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 25 2016, 10:52 AM

Golden Gardens...pretty much shut down when I was 16

Posted by: veekry9 Jul 25 2016, 03:40 PM

The rear axle cls are aligned.Scaled +/- 0.5mm:
WB:
250LM 2400mm
914 GT 2450mm


WB:
250 LM 2400mm
904GTS 2300mm

904GTS builds:
http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=51499
http://www.early911sregistry.org/forums/showthread.php?76341-My-904-replica-build-thread
http://members.shaw.ca/p904/



So,a tight squeeze for sure,some good planning.
A primer for those welding their own frame,triangulation for stiffness.


Countach Chassis.The strength and stiffness is obvious,not a dainty bridge at all.
A well done set of girders at the hips,side intrusion 'beams',tough.

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Posted by: worn Jul 25 2016, 03:56 PM

Although not as ultra cool, you needn't physically join the engines. I grew up in Seattle where they imported a lot of foreign. An informal drag strip was down by Shilshole Bay. I would swear there were stories about a VW beetle with twin engines. One mounted in the passenger compartment. Getting the power of the second engine to the ground might be tricky with a 914.
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Golden Gardens...pretty much shut down when I was 16
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Fittipaldi had one.


Not to spoil the other aspect of producing the most beautiful fairy dust. I kinda think we aren't in PhotoShop anymore.

Posted by: worn Jul 25 2016, 04:02 PM

That frame makes me feel old. So pretty, and you end up crouched in one of the side trays. I would need a chain hoist to get in and out. Somewhere along the way my get up and go left. The matching work aligning the two cars is awesome.

Posted by: veekry9 Jul 27 2016, 01:31 AM

Well,a 912 engine,being hard to come by,may be replicated with Two Subaru Tribeca Sixes.
A gang of two,as the Fittipaldi brothers did long ago.The plan worked.

http://bringatrailer.com/2014/08/19/flat-twelve-home-built-subaru-powered-porsche-91710-canam-tribute/
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http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=222522&st=42
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Posted by: veekry9 Jul 29 2016, 02:05 PM

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Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 30 2016, 02:22 AM

NO

Posted by: veekry9 Jul 30 2016, 06:57 AM

Yes.
250LM=914-8,a comparison I never considered,because it's ludicrous,as demonstrated above.
Pretty extreme concept,huh?This one is the Stratos glass,the roofline of the 914,lowered to meet the top of it.~50mm.
The A pillar is closely matched to the Stratos glass's trailing edge,changed to meet the taper to the top.
After all,many a 914 windshield is damaged,as is the chassis.A derelict rusted varmint nest,in a field,free.
Some consider the 914's bare bones as a starting point,a basic map on which to draw a path to a nirvana of one's preference.
The chassis,when lowered from the standard ride height,makes for altered suspension geometry,nasty at the edge.
Chopping,channeling,lengthening,bigblock,turbo,lpg,nitromethane,lakes,and more.
This is the pix,leave your preconceptions and dogmas behind when you enter here.Open your mind,start the Reactor.
Kick an idea or two,one of your own,that you made yourself,or not.


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Original 250s
You know if you belong. If you don't,we'll tell you.
17M

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Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 30 2016, 08:54 AM

Better

you need some



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Posted by: veekry9 Jul 30 2016, 09:24 AM

Yang,I need more Yang,Yin,I got.
Now,where did I put that pen?

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http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=222522&st=130
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CadCam that simply works well.
https://www.rhino3d.com/...1K,USA
http://madcamcnc.com/...1K--6K,Sweden

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Posted by: sixnotfour Aug 2 2016, 02:03 PM

Head Start;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/162154394356?forcerRptr=true&item=162154394356&viewitem=

Posted by: sixnotfour Aug 2 2016, 02:04 PM

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Posted by: My 914 Aug 2 2016, 07:22 PM

No, No, No...its all wrong.

Posted by: sixnotfour Aug 2 2016, 11:08 PM

what ..what ?? have not read the whole thread,,almost fits...needs a windshield Hahahaha

Posted by: veekry9 Aug 4 2016, 02:42 AM

Neato!
A unique sail treatment,and it appears that they love the shape,guiding the air behind the targa.
I haven't decided,and will wait for the completed product,and the slot is an interesting feature.
The sizing of the grated opening and exit of the air passages makes one wonder at the flow produced.
I feel the sail,extended so far aft,hides the fender's top curvature,a detail defining the 914's rear.
The early Cayman is a good example of the desire to maintain a discrete rear fender curve.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=lancia+gamma&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=610&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJ18W6pKfOAhXK54MKHXxbDGMQ_AUIBigB#tbm=isch&q=lancia+scorpion&imgrc=TJg1byU7fwoixM%3A

The tapered sail has been popular since the 904 and Dino 246,and tagging a pair onto a mid engine is also a popular pastime.
Expectations of conformity and adherence to stock outlines,particularly in California,are timid and the opposite of the flashy fastback.



This looks ok,911 sail looking.

Posted by: Rand Aug 4 2016, 05:14 PM

Not a 914 anymore. But a better nod to their brethren than most of the other hacks we see.

Posted by: veekry9 Aug 25 2016, 09:30 AM

This color is Olive Gold.


A red wine color,wb 2630,for the longer engine.
Later,I'll make some mods to cool better and reduce drag.
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Posted by: sixnotfour Aug 25 2016, 10:12 AM

better copyright/ pattend / trademark , the 5 paddle 4 lug style fuch...don't let MW see this....

Posted by: veekry9 Aug 25 2016, 10:30 AM

To be modified slightly,I feel the petals are too wide,a '60s flower power fad.
Ties of that style were the rage at the time,seen in 'Austin Powers'.
I'll narrow them to see if there is an improvement,a subjective perception.
I wanted to try a ten hole wheel,and I like the Four-Fuchs raised hammering.
Doing one without the high contrast black paint,looking good.
You're right though,looked and haven't found any wheels similar to this design.

Posted by: sixnotfour Aug 25 2016, 12:48 PM

Shelby Talladega Wheel


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Posted by: veekry9 Aug 26 2016, 02:11 PM

^Unlike.
Maybe there is someone out there,liking that.

Fourth iteration.


5-Fuchs-4-003

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Posted by: veekry9 Aug 26 2016, 10:52 PM

Chrome Yellow.
Larger punchouts.
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Posted by: veekry9 Aug 26 2016, 11:08 PM

5-Fuchs-4-002
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CadCam,Domed Surfaces.
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Posted by: veekry9 Aug 27 2016, 11:05 AM

Big sloped windscreen,sidemount radiators,anodized wheels.


5-Fuchs-4-004


5-Fuchs-4-007


5-Fuchs-4-008
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Posted by: veekry9 Sep 12 2016, 11:50 AM

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Posted by: veekry9 Oct 6 2016, 05:36 PM

Desert Eagle .60

Wheelbase stretch,much more rubber and the power to be quick.
The windscreen has been replaced with a curved piece,the wipers stowed below the frunklid.
Sidemount rads,integral cage,doors that carry the cage intrusion panels.
Climate controlled for the desert heat in which it runs.
A scraper for the road,the martian v-wing optional.
Obsidian Black with a light dusting of gold flake and a pearl clear topcoat.
The nose is a modded late bumper,2" longer,4" deeper,led array hidden by lcd gorilla glass.

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P-Porn for you.
Bottom end of sleeved and stroked Porsche V8.
http://www.928motorsports.com/parts/stroker_crank.php

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Posted by: sb914 Jun 15 2020, 10:16 AM

:bump:Come out ,come out, wherever you are?

Posted by: BeatNavy Jun 15 2020, 10:37 AM

Posted by: Carbon-14 Jun 15 2020, 11:46 AM

Vitor has left the planet.
A few years now, took the illness to the universe.
nc, cnc machinist since the '60s, large heavy work, turbines, tiny keys for AV8B's.
Wrote good code, parametrics, multi languages, no bs.
I liked some of his drawings, went out a space kadet.
Well, someone will have to build a few.

This is one of his last, called it Baltic Black 07, the curve of the trunklid is mirrored by the edge of the fender, allowing the fender's line to rise above the lid, higher.

Posted by: Carbon-14 Jun 15 2020, 12:00 PM

More, Black Street 09.

Posted by: Carbon-14 Jun 15 2020, 12:13 PM

veekry9 post Oct 20 2014, 06:56 PM Post #140
Black Field 05

Posted by: Carbon-14 Jun 15 2020, 12:26 PM

GreenMetal 11

Posted by: Carbon-14 Jun 15 2020, 12:33 PM

Mike Bellis post Oct 22 2013, 11:41 PM Post #24



6 x 6 5th wheel support

Cab Forward 06


A Tow Tonka 914, 6x6 5th wheel, Porsche Diesel.

Posted by: rhodyguy Jun 15 2020, 12:36 PM

Posted by: flippa Jun 15 2020, 01:42 PM

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Posted by: tygaboy Jun 15 2020, 04:59 PM

I want to build Baltic Black 07!

Posted by: Carbon-14 Jun 15 2020, 05:52 PM

We have detailed drawings, monocoque load structures on both ends.
I've been looking, there is a fellow who has reversed the direction of the front torsion bars on his build, now pointing to the rear, like the Mopars, to better stiffen the factory pan, could be an elegant solution for the 904-14-6.
He released the sketches as a stimulating idea board, a unusual approach for a liquid cooled -14, sidemount radiators and plenums. Looking beneath the rear bumper, full length venturis, the targa exhaust vents are functional, hot air out.


Drive your street 914-6 to the race,
change into your firesuit while the slicks are installed, win, drive back to the beach.

Cayenne Turbo drivetrain not a real Porsche,
'66 Corvair Targa.
Chopped sectioned short wheelbase. Yes, -14 pop ups.
https://www.xcsdesigns.co.uk/how-it-works


'66 Corvair Subaru 6 turbo power, a mid.
Heavily influenced by Porsche, a lot of difficult work on the rear to build the roofline, glass, vents.
The fastback Corvair GM never made in '67, the coupe, swb.
Pulled from the weeds, made new.

Posted by: sixnotfour Jun 16 2020, 03:35 AM

Carl Young did it and raced it, through Nevada..



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Posted by: Carbon-14 Jun 16 2020, 04:20 AM

Great idea, like to see more photos, looks a '70s era modification.
He laid the windscreen back a little, widebody doors, no intake scoops for cooling and aero assist air. A wing is missing. An 8mm movie converted to video, cellcam photo.
...'89 tv camera.
He did 175mph trap speed.


https://issuu.com/fghkudfgdgmfb/docs/6dfvdfv


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gbxbXYa1lg

Posted by: sixnotfour Jun 16 2020, 06:06 AM

Silver State Challenge VHS he talks about it. only place I have ever seen the 914...

Posted by: Carbon-14 Jun 16 2020, 07:49 AM

Could you be more specific.
Looked around, couldn't find the video, I did find a pdf about the Avro Arrow CF105, and a Hemmings bit about a custom glass body.
https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2013/12/10/a-childhood-dream-realized-as-a-tv-car-rises-again
Thinking..a rust free -14, lol.
Why the TVR Zante is still a viable project, and with modern power, suspension pieces.

found it

https://youtu.be/e-PFfwxR3SQ?t=905
a few grabs

1989 70 914-6 Carl Young









I believe there is a turbo six 914 in orange, here, and with long gears could possibly break the 175 trap Carl Young set in '89.

Why didn't I think of that ?
A simple solution to lowering the front end, raise the strut mount through the hood, bonnet, and cap with aero bubbles. The rear, by cutting the spring, I wonder if they also raised the swingarm pivots by the correct amount. A genuine 69 build -6.
What has it's fate been ?
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Posted by: DRPHIL914 Jun 16 2020, 08:06 AM

are you saying Mr. virkey has passed away? I always enjoyed his posting and thoughts . I don't remember hearing that or knowing that he was no longer with us.

Posted by: Carbon-14 Jun 16 2020, 08:19 AM

I've recently got his drives, pooters. Huge stacks.
Some of the drawings were nice, a Pama 5x machine manual from the '90s, progs.
I touched up the shooting brake using the same sw he used, notes.
He wrote about the limo, which I haven't seen..yet.
He had a laugh doing the 6 x 6 Tonka, a glass body for a tow vehicle, gooseneck race 914 trailer.

Posted by: rhodyguy Jun 16 2020, 08:30 AM

Do you intend to bump this thread for the foreseeable future?

Posted by: sixnotfour Jun 16 2020, 09:12 AM

https://www.amazon.com/Silver-State-Classic-VHS/dp/6302203872

Posted by: Carbon-14 Jun 19 2020, 07:07 PM

The doorskins, moved out to meet the fenders in a smooth transition, the top radius much larger than either the front or rear. The entire side of the car is tapered, growing wider as it moves to the rear, stabilizing at speed, one would think.
Looks like a scoop at the sail panel, air for cooling.



A slight widening of the front fenders, to accomodate the wider front Z rated tires, 225.
A guess.



Here they are leaving the start line, the six winding out.
Skirts, they did it with skirts, and a dam, a front splitter.
Lowered, widened fenders, laid back windscreen, open targa bar, side windows up.
A fiberglass tail lip spoiler. The entire rear panel was split in the center, moved laterally to the new, wider position, looking good.
https://issuu.com/porscheclubla/docs/vol_1_no_6_july_1981

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=1959&hl=porschaus
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=51959&hl=porschaus
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Posted by: Carbon-14 Aug 27 2020, 11:17 PM

This week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9nPCTrfk5Y

Posted by: Carbon-14 Dec 19 2020, 08:55 PM

Emulation being the greatest form of flattery, a ten hole in 17" to fit the low profile rubber, from wrought plate on your 5X cnc mill, lathe.


Mid 60's, popular design details.