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Posted by: Blynes May 27 2003, 06:00 AM

I need advice on what direction to go with my car.

Purchased with a 2.4 big bore engine.
We did cage,fuel cell, brakes, suspension, seats, guages, flares............$$$$

The car is basically race prepared but still street legal.

After much sorting out of previous owners mods we finally got it the engine running great and yesterday at the track it threw a rod.

Huge hole in the case.

I will not rebuild it.

I want to do a six conversion and possibly race in the Southeast with some venue. I am very colse to Roebling Road and do DE's and test and tune days.

I love driving the car on the street so that's a big consideration.

What engine?

If I do a 3.2 or 3.6 conversion is there a class to race in?


Bill Lynes

Posted by: seanery May 27 2003, 07:22 AM

There is a class for the 3.2 and 3.6, but you'll be racing against Carreras and 993's.

The 3.2 would put you in PCA GT3 (R or S depending on tire)
the 3.6 would put you in PCA GT2 (R or S depending on tire)

Posted by: SirAndy May 27 2003, 10:23 AM

also, the 3.2 is a direct bolt-in,

the 3.6 needs a lot of additional
and PLENTY of external oil-cooler ...

Andy

Posted by: Brad Roberts May 27 2003, 10:26 AM

You live in the home town of HSR.. think about a 2.0 six and go have some fun in the vintage race classes (2.0 Porsche challenge) A lot less headache and more fun. They have a huge 914 vintage meet every year right near you.

B

Posted by: campbellcj May 27 2003, 12:38 PM

Hey, this sounds VERY familiar

I went with a small six (2.2S) due to race classification reasons.

One thing to keep in mind is that you could start smaller, and have fun in HSR 2.0 class or other groups where you would not be up against the big-winged 3.6-3.8 911's.

THEN, if/when you feel like it, anything up to a 3.2 is basically a drop-in upgrade. I may end up putting something between a 2.5 short-stroke and 3.0RSR in mine next, when I'm ready to bump a class or two. (Or, I'll just buy a different car, if I get smarter by that time.)

Posted by: Blynes May 29 2003, 05:40 AM

Thanks for the input guys.

Looks like we will go with a 2.2 twin plug.

I want to be able to run pump gas.

Found a core motor in Atlanta. Does $1000. sound right?

Should I run carbs or fuel injection? I have been told that once you get the injection right your'e done.

I would appreciate any info. or advice on the conversion process and parts sources.

Bill Lynes

Posted by: Britain Smith May 29 2003, 09:29 AM

Not to get away from your troubles...but will you be selling any of the parts from your blown 2.4L motor? Do you have any pics of it?

-Britain

Posted by: Brad Roberts May 29 2003, 09:38 AM

Injection if you have the patience to set it up correctly.

If you have the bank.. go laptop programmable injection.


B

Posted by: campbellcj May 29 2003, 10:40 AM

Always keep "the rules" in mind if you will be autocrossing or tracking the car.

You will be crushed in the car classification rules with EFI, if you're competing as a "914-6". If you start your mods based on a 914-4, then you'll get killed for the extra cylinders, carbs etc.

Posted by: Blynes May 29 2003, 12:09 PM

Yes,

I will have lots of parts.

Some with less than one hour run time on them.

I will post a list and pictures soon.

Please contact me direct if you have a specific need
and I will give your request priority.

Bill

Posted by: Blynes Jun 2 2003, 03:02 PM

My core motor is on the way. I need help filling in the blanks on my parts list.

motor mount: Patrick Motorsports

engine sheet metal: Patrick

high torque starter: ???

headers: ????

twin plug ignition system: ????

Fiberglass front bumper/air dam:????

throttle linkage or cable throttle system:????

Thanks

Bill

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jun 2 2003, 03:06 PM

Give us pricing on all the parts. I will give you "wholesale" if you buy the parts from a club member and not Patrick.

He has nothing that isnt already available from 30 other sources.

I'll post a list here..as soon as I find the spreadsheet.

Just a thought.


B

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 2 2003, 03:06 PM

Posted by: Blynes Jun 2 2003, 03:30 PM

Brad,

Sounds good to me.

BL

Posted by: Lawrence914-6 Jun 2 2003, 03:55 PM

Bill,

Check out the spreadsheet here:

http://www.914world.com/downloads/

It's for a 3.6 conversion - pick and choose the parts as you may need them for your situation.

-Rusty

Posted by: meursault Jun 2 2003, 09:20 PM

I don't know how many people are making 914-6 sheetmetal these days, but I think that the Patrick Motorsports/ GPR sheetmetal is probably of better quality than most. I had ordered a set from GPR years ago, and though I sent it back because it did not fit my needs, I think it was made of higher gauge metal and was better made than the set I got recently from Pelican Parts.

I think the Pelican Parts set is the commonly available sheetmetal. I was really unimpressed. It was thin and flimsy. Some of the sheetmetal bends and curves were achieved through spot welds. No thanks. Sent that back too.

I'm more inclined to try to bang out my own as a project, but I might be tempted to go back to GPR/ Patrick once again. It's just hard for me to justify spending $400 for, what, $5 worth of metal?

Posted by: Blynes Jun 3 2003, 07:18 AM

Lawrence,

What I need is a list of suppliers.

I have seen the black car build sheet.

I couldn't open the file 3.6914.xls.

What does it contain?

BL

Posted by: fuch toy Jun 3 2003, 09:09 AM

Patrick and AA are two places I avoid like the plague.....too many other vendors with nice personalities that also stand behind the products they sell.

Posted by: Lawrence914-6 Jun 3 2003, 09:12 AM

I'm sorry, BL. I thought you needed a list of suggested parts.

Didn't Rich Johnson sell repro 914/6 engine sheet metal?

a914guy@aol.com

-Rusty

Posted by: seanery Jun 3 2003, 10:39 AM

I believe you're right on that one Rusty.

Posted by: Blynes Jun 3 2003, 11:55 AM

"Give us pricing on all the parts. I will give you "wholesale" if you buy the parts from a club member and not Patrick.

He has nothing that isnt already available from 30 other sources".



Brad,

Here is what I have. Who are these thirty other sources?

motor mount: Patrick Motorsports $339.

engine sheet metal: Patrick $445.

high torque starter: ??? Pelican $265.

headers: ???? Pelican - Bursche $406.86

twin plug ignition system: ???? Motor Meister $1995.

Fiberglass front bumper/air dam:????

throttle linkage or cable throttle system:????

BL

Posted by: Lawrence914-6 Jun 3 2003, 12:17 PM

motor mount: Rich Johnson

engine sheet metal: Rich Johnson

trailing arm kit: Rich Johnson

Check with him on the linkage, too. He made me a couple of pieces that were missing from my setup, when I bought my car in boxes.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jun 3 2003, 12:20 PM

I know 90% of the suppliers for Patrick and others..

Case in point: starter is 189.00 and that is with a markup.

Dont open the Excel version.. open the HTML version.

I have the typical sheet that I send out for people.. but cant find it on this computer (happens when you use up to 5 different computers a week) I need to keep everything in one place on one server.

B

Posted by: nomore4 Jun 3 2003, 04:52 PM

Bill, Here are some prices Rich Johnson mailed me last week.


1. 914-6 reproduction engine sheetmetal set - 425.00
2. 914-6 bulkhead engine conversion mount kit with hardware, brake proportioning
valve replacement "T" and instructions - 450.00
3. Accelerator linkage kit - 275.00
4. 914-6 OE oil line set. Two OE 914-6 flex lines, one OE 911S flex line to replace the OE hard line) - 400.00
5. New factory oil tank - 575.00
6. 901 cup flywheel for 2.7, 2.4, 2.2 or 2.0L or earlier engines - 325.00
7. Oil cooler mod. to 90 degree 914-6 style done on your cooler - 175.00
8. 901 side shift rod modification (exchange) - 150.00
9. Bursch headers, 1 & 5/8" - 325.00

Posted by: 736convers Jun 3 2003, 05:37 PM

Check this site out for 914-6 items.

I bought the sheet metal and flywheel.

Cheap prices I think.

Posted by: 736convers Jun 3 2003, 05:37 PM

Forgot the URL

http://home.wi.rr.com/importfrenzy/feedback.htm

Posted by: Mueller Jun 3 2003, 05:58 PM

Who is importfrenzy? I never heard of him or them?!?!?

Posted by: 736convers Jun 3 2003, 06:04 PM

I found it through their ebay items. They sent me their website page when I inquire about more 914-6 parts. Looks like a very low profile seeing since the website only has 80 some hits.
Flywheel was OEM porsche.
Sheet metal was aftermarket.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jun 3 2003, 06:06 PM

All of those pics are from the MittleMotor website.

Cheap on the oil lines.. (GPR has them made with metric fittings) the factory Porsche lines are pretty damn expensive.

B