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Posted by: carr914 Jan 27 2014, 06:31 PM

I sold a Steering wheel & hub that was on my 72. The Buyer said there was a Big Gap between the Hub & the Steering Column and there were only a few Threads to get the Nut on. It went on my 72 Fine with plenty of thread. I tod the Buyer I would take it back if we can figure it out.

T.C.

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Posted by: Mblizzard Jan 27 2014, 06:46 PM

That does not look like a stock steering wheel going back on? That could be part of it.

Posted by: SirAndy Jan 27 2014, 06:46 PM

What year is his car? That doesn't look like it's seated at all. I've seen gaps, but that's the grand canyon of gaps ...
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Posted by: Mike Bellis Jan 27 2014, 06:50 PM

Early hub on a late column? confused24.gif

Posted by: carr914 Jan 27 2014, 06:53 PM

QUOTE(Mblizzard @ Jan 27 2014, 07:46 PM) *

That does not look like a stock steering wheel going back on? That could be part of it.


Duh, it's aftermarket

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Posted by: WLD419 Jan 27 2014, 07:01 PM

QUOTE(carr914 @ Jan 27 2014, 07:53 PM) *

QUOTE(Mblizzard @ Jan 27 2014, 07:46 PM) *

That does not look like a stock steering wheel going back on? That could be part of it.


Duh, it's aftermarket



It looks like it needs the spacer off the back of the early stock wheel , plastic
spacer ring attaches with 3 screws has the turn signal delete attached ?
that's how I made my momo work on 70 914 , I'll see if I can find a picture

Posted by: r_towle Jan 27 2014, 08:03 PM

Have him take a picture of the bare shaft and compare it.
Seems like there may be a shoulder holding things up.

Posted by: McMark Jan 27 2014, 08:16 PM

Yup, early late difference.

Posted by: carr914 Jan 27 2014, 09:06 PM

QUOTE(Mike Bellis @ Jan 27 2014, 07:50 PM) *

Early hub on a late column? confused24.gif



QUOTE(McMark @ Jan 27 2014, 09:16 PM) *

Yup, early late difference.


But it fit fine on my car and now my car has a New Late MOMO Hub confused24.gif

Posted by: BuddyV Jan 27 2014, 09:14 PM

QUOTE(carr914 @ Jan 27 2014, 04:31 PM) *

I sold a Steering wheel & hub that was on my 72. The Buyer said there was a Big Gap between the Hub & the Steering Column and there were only a few Threads to get the Nut on. It went on my 72 Fine with plenty of thread. I tod the Buyer I would take it back if we can figure it out.

T.C.

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Hi all..... I am the attacher (buyer). Seller is being very patient while I try to make this fit, and has offered to return my $ if it does not fit (nice, T.C..... thank you).

My car is a 1972.

I seated the new hub securely against the stop ring that is at the transition point between threads and smooth shaft. Won't go farther from what I can tell. (note: threads sticking through the shaft is about one inch.... seems right for attaching the nut.)

Any ideas would be helpful.

I have an early stock hub and wheel..... can I modify to make this work??

Cheers.

Posted by: JmuRiz Jan 27 2014, 09:39 PM

If I'm not mistaken 72 was a transition year on a lot of items, could be an early/late 72 difference. I know my 72 has a mashup of early/late parts.

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Posted by: McMark Jan 27 2014, 10:17 PM

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If I'm not mistaken 72 was a transition year on a lot of items, could be an early/late 72 difference. I know my 72 has a mashup of early/late parts.

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

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Posted by: sportlicherFahrer Jan 28 2014, 01:14 AM

QUOTE(McMark @ Jan 27 2014, 08:17 PM) *

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If I'm not mistaken 72 was a transition year on a lot of items, could be an early/late 72 difference. I know my 72 has a mashup of early/late parts.

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

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Posted by: rhodyguy Jan 28 2014, 08:55 AM

shallow rear wheel cup=later. deep cup= for earlier. buddy, what does the horn feature look like on the previous wheel? spring loaded post or the round circular type?

k

Posted by: BuddyV Jan 28 2014, 10:03 AM

QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Jan 28 2014, 06:55 AM) *

shallow rear wheel cup=later. deep cup= for earlier. buddy, what does the horn feature look like on the previous wheel? spring loaded post or the round circular type?

k


If you mean the style of the bottom of the stock hub? I recall circular/flat. Would rub up against the "springy" part of the steering column (see in pic).

Posted by: CptTripps Jan 28 2014, 11:06 AM

I'm guessing it's the wrong adapter.

There's one for 1973-1976, and another for 1970-1972

http://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/MO-0230.htm?Porsche%20Hub%20Adapter%20%39%31%34%2D%36%20%28%31%39%37%30%2D%37%32%29%2C%20Each%20%20%20%20

http://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/MO-8002.htm?Porsche%20Hub%20Adapter%2C%20%39%31%34%20%31%2E%37%2F%31%2E%38%2F%32%2E%30%20%28%31%39%37%32%2D%37%36%29%2C%20Each%20%20

Posted by: carr914 Jan 28 2014, 12:29 PM

QUOTE(CptTripps @ Jan 28 2014, 12:06 PM) *

I'm guessing it's the wrong adapter.

There's one for 1973-1976, and another for 1970-1972

http://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/MO-0230.htm?Porsche%20Hub%20Adapter%20%39%31%34%2D%36%20%28%31%39%37%30%2D%37%32%29%2C%20Each%20%20%20%20

http://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/MO-8002.htm?Porsche%20Hub%20Adapter%2C%20%39%31%34%20%31%2E%37%2F%31%2E%38%2F%32%2E%30%20%28%31%39%37%32%2D%37%36%29%2C%20Each%20%20


Those Adaptors are probably for a MOMO or OMP Wheel. This Steering Wheel's Mounting Holes are a Wider Pattern


Posted by: carr914 Jan 28 2014, 12:51 PM

Robert & I have talked about this - before he ships it back to me, he is going to Offer it For Sale out there on the West Coast (more of Teener Owners out there). That way someone can try it on to make sure it fits your car.

The Price is $75 for the Wheel/Hub/Horn Button. Please contact Robert (BuddyV)

T.C.

Posted by: Mike D. Jan 28 2014, 03:52 PM

QUOTE(carr914 @ Jan 28 2014, 10:51 AM) *

Robert & I have talked about this - before he ships it back to me, he is going to Offer it For Sale out there on the West Coast (more of Teener Owners out there). That way someone can try it on to make sure it fits your car.

The Price is $75 for the Wheel/Hub/Horn Button. Please contact Robert (BuddyV)

T.C.


So wait, is this for an early car or later? I have a friend with a '70 4 cyl. looking for a hub adaptor.

Posted by: carr914 Jan 28 2014, 08:32 PM

QUOTE(Mike D. @ Jan 28 2014, 04:52 PM) *

QUOTE(carr914 @ Jan 28 2014, 10:51 AM) *

Robert & I have talked about this - before he ships it back to me, he is going to Offer it For Sale out there on the West Coast (more of Teener Owners out there). That way someone can try it on to make sure it fits your car.

The Price is $75 for the Wheel/Hub/Horn Button. Please contact Robert (BuddyV)

T.C.


So wait, is this for an early car or later? I have a friend with a '70 4 cyl. looking for a hub adaptor.


That is a question for the masses as the consensus is 72 was a mix of early and late parts. If you friend is close to Robert & it fits he can get a Great Deal as it's a really nice wheel and Robert has cleaned it up and added new hardware

Posted by: tweet Jan 29 2014, 10:23 AM

For what it's worth, here's my 2 cents. I keep a couple of mid-late 1970's Super Beetle steering wheels for the rollers. They have the same spline pattern as 914 OEM wheels. After all, our cars did come with numerous parts that were not all Porsche production. These VW wheels are mounted to a 74 and 76 steering shaft. One wheel is complete, one is naked. But between the four pics you can see well, how they mount. They will mount and accept the washer and nut, however the gap is almost identical to the aftermarket wheel's hub. The complete VW wheel has the canceling ring mounted as well (they use the same canceling ring as our cars). BTW, that is not meant to be a spcer, as someone mentioned earlier in the thread.
One of the major differences between our OEM wheels and many VW wheels, is the depth of the dish, so we have shorter hubs than the VW's do. Their wheels are flatter, and of course this aftermarket wheel is completely flat, ergo a very deep hub. Another difference is that a VW wheel has a flat bottomed hub that sits flush against the steering column and switches; like this aftermarket hub.
Our OEM hubs are recessed and all come with a skirt to cover the infamous gap. Early hubs are deeper with a longer hub and metal canceling ring. So in the last picture you can see an early wheel (9/1970) mounted to a 75 hub. The spline patterns are the same. This difference, is in the depth and design of the rear of the hub. The early hub and protruding metal canceling ring does not let the wheel seat far back enough to install the washer and steering shaft nut. I can't be 100% sure, as I cannot physically inspect the hub, but the aftermarket hub looks like it would fit a Type 1 or Type 3 late VW well, but not a 914. I believe the gap would be present for late steering columns, and perhaps for early as well. It still a nice wheel. though.


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