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Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 5 2005, 03:30 PM
Lookin at other EFI set ups besides MS and Kit Carsons, anyone running Haltech or something else??? Thinking about going to a setup that uses a MAF.
Pros and Cons?
Geoff
Posted by: TimT Jan 5 2005, 03:38 PM
I may be biased since we sell Haltechs. The name brand aftermareket EFI systems may cost a bit more than MS and others but they install fairly easily.
I dont know of any aftermarket EFI that uses MAF though. Most systems use TPS or MAP to determine spark advance and injector timing, or a combination of TPS/MAP.
Ive tuned engines with a number of EFI systmes and have some favorites:
Haltech, Motec, LInk.
and some not so favorites:
Electromotive
Havent played with Autronic, Accel,SDS, or EFI yet
If you do decide on Haltech give my friend Bill Rudtner a call
Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 5 2005, 04:25 PM
Which Haltech setup do you recommend? E6X or the F10x??
Geoff
Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 5 2005, 04:31 PM
I have SDS...works good.
Posted by: TimT Jan 5 2005, 05:09 PM
F10X is a fuel only computer, you still use the ditributor,
The E6X is fuel and ignition so you will have to add the expense of a crank trigger, coils ignitors etc.
Posted by: tommy914 Jan 5 2005, 05:14 PM
would you happen to have a link to the SDS site?
Posted by: airsix Jan 5 2005, 05:21 PM
Geoff,
Once you've played with a MAP-based PEFI you'll forget all about mass-airflow-sensors. I understand there are benefits to both, but you'll be just as happy with MAP as with MAF. MAP systems work great.
-Ben M.
Posted by: lapuwali Jan 5 2005, 05:24 PM
www.sdsefi.com is the SDS site. It's very informative, even if you don't plan on going with SDS.
Posted by: Mark Henry Jan 5 2005, 05:28 PM
| QUOTE (tommy914 @ Jan 5 2005, 07:14 PM) |
| would you happen to have a link to the SDS site? |
http://sdsefi.com/
Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 5 2005, 07:04 PM
I played around with Blairs 1st Gen RX7 Turbo with a Haltech setup. Damn, I couldn't help him get the thing to run very well. Thats why we sent it to this "Expert" tuner where is was stolen. 
Blair is pushing me in the Haltech direction. Will the Vanagon hall effect dizzy work with it?
I have no desire to build a crank fire tigger like Dave Hunt has done. I'm lazy and want to keep it simple ie: steal parts from other cars!
Geoff
Posted by: TimT Jan 5 2005, 07:14 PM
You can trigger the F10 from the neg coil, hall effect, or optical triggers
RX7s are a bit tricky to tune.
Posted by: Mueller Jan 5 2005, 09:23 PM
Geoff,
I have a Haltech sitting in the garage....got it from Brad, it's one of their 1st fuel and ignition models...you can trigger it with hall effect method (magnets on the crank)..it's an old sucker...DOS programming 
if I had the money, I'd go with a "real" EFI such as Haltech instead of the MS, but I probebly would not have learned as much as I have had it been an easy install and build.....
Posted by: Mueller Jan 5 2005, 09:31 PM
| QUOTE |
| I have no desire to build a crank fire tigger like Dave Hunt has done. I'm lazy and want to keep it simple ie: steal parts from other cars! |
funny you mention that.....i know I'm pretty darn capable of doing the EDIS install, but right now I'm tired of doing the trail and error method for little gain except for the "oh wow" factor....this would explain why I bought the Mallory distributor and am sticking with the basic known off the shelf items for while...(sorta, LOL)
Posted by: TimT Jan 5 2005, 09:47 PM
The DOS software used by Haltech was pretty damn easy to use
We have software versions on disc going back a number of years
Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 5 2005, 10:03 PM
Now you tell me RX7's are hard to tune!
Hey Mueller, I am a cheap bastard too but since I am pouring money into the car now, whats alittle more!!
Here is a pic of the RX7 turbo install using a turbo 2 motor and trany. Lots of custom parts to make it fit.
Geoff
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Posted by: Gary Jan 5 2005, 10:24 PM
| QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Jan 5 2005, 01:30 PM) |
| Lookin at other EFI set ups besides MS and Kit Carsons, anyone running Haltech or something else??? Thinking about going to a setup that uses a MAF. Pros and Cons? Geoff |
I've been checking out this site lately: http://www.vems-group.org/. Looks like a step up from the megasquirt, more along the lines of the impending ultra-megasquirt. It does fuel and spark, integrated wide-band O2, autotune capable, etc. Definitely a lot of care and feeding to get it going, but I have an electronics background in the distant past, so should be fun. If you poke around the wiki pages, they have good info on MAP vs. MAP, virtues of sequential vs. wasted spark ignition, etc.
Posted by: Mueller Jan 6 2005, 12:06 AM
| QUOTE (TimT @ Jan 5 2005, 08:47 PM) |
| The DOS software used by Haltech was pretty damn easy to use We have software versions on disc going back a number of years |
I've goofed around with the software a few times...the current config in the box is for a monster turbo 911 motor...the box was used on a motor built by the guy that built Doom I/II (cannot think of his name at all right now)
Can your buddy get manuals for the E6 boxes?? or do I have to get it from Haltech?
Posted by: TimT Jan 6 2005, 12:19 AM
There always seem to be extra copies of the E6 manuals floating around the shop. If I cant grab one of them, I can always make a copy of one if you want.
Posted by: TimT Jan 6 2005, 12:22 AM
You can DL the latest manuals.
http://www.haltech.com/downloads/e6kv9man.pdf
http://www.haltech.com/downloads/e6xv302a_dos.pdf
Posted by: Mueller Jan 6 2005, 12:34 AM
thanks....any idea how to find out how different the early E6's are from the latest E6X and K's(??) ?
I downloaded the wiring diagram from haltech for the early E6, I guess I can compare it to the later versions to figure out what is different....
Posted by: TimT Jan 6 2005, 12:47 AM
Off hand Im not sure of the differences. I think they just kept adding diferent capabilities to the basic ECU
Haltech just reopened the US distributor in Cali, call them. I dont have the number here at home, and the number isnt on the website either. Ill try and get the contact info.
or email them in Austrailia, they are very helpful
Posted by: soloracer Jan 6 2005, 10:36 AM
I had a Haltech E6K on my RX7 and have purchased an E11 for my 20b three rotor 914. The HITMAN in australia also has some good info and maps on his website.
SDS is actually local to me here in Calgary. Very nice guys being both helpful and informative. Unfortunately I feel their system is overpriced for what you get. There is no datalogging on it and it runs off a very simple hand controller. For the same money as the SDS you could get a Haltech, Autronic, etc. that has more features plus datalogging. Last time I checked their system also was not able to handle the split ignition of the rotary engine.
The HITMAN website is:
http://www.hitman.hm
Posted by: Howard R Jan 6 2005, 10:53 AM
I know a number of people using this set up with very good results
http://www.enginemanagementsystem.com/HomePage.htm
Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 6 2005, 10:54 AM
Soloracer, we want pics!
Posted by: jd74914 Jan 6 2005, 10:59 AM
Howard, do you know how much $$$ those EMS systems retail for? Just curious 
Posted by: Mueller Jan 6 2005, 11:49 AM
| QUOTE (jd74914 @ Jan 6 2005, 09:59 AM) |
| Howard, do you know how much $$$ those EMS systems retail for? Just curious |
http://www.outbackmotors.com/engine_management.htm
prices start @ $1000.
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