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Posted by: Grump Mar 12 2014, 12:22 PM

I must be missing something. This new cable from Pelican appears to be too short. The adjustment at the pedal end is maxed out. The pedal itself is all the way back against the stop. I'm not sure if this is the correct hole but I see no other option. Pelican's part number checks out. Anyone have any ideas or solution? Thanks

Posted by: '73-914kid Mar 12 2014, 12:38 PM

Does the sheathe mount up to the plenum without issue? If the cable sheathe mounts up to the plenum without much issue, you most likely wrapped the throttle cable around the clutch cable at the front of the tunnel when installing the throttle cable.

Posted by: 914_teener Mar 12 2014, 12:58 PM

Posted by: Grump Mar 12 2014, 01:02 PM

I pulled it completely out and It's doesn't appear hung up on or wrapped around the clutch cable. Maybe if I pull both cables and put accelerator in first. I just can't see where those extra inches would come from.

Posted by: Grump Mar 12 2014, 01:03 PM

The sheath will not come close to the plenum.

Posted by: '73-914kid Mar 12 2014, 01:11 PM

Ah, okay, it sounds like its getting hung up on something underneath the engine tin. Make sure you have the cable running the most direct route possible from the tube at the firewall up to the grommet.. It's not a super smooth transition I must say..

Posted by: Grump Mar 12 2014, 01:16 PM

That's why I asked it it was the correct hole in the tin. The angle seems pretty acute.

Posted by: Grump Mar 12 2014, 01:25 PM

QUOTE(Grump @ Mar 12 2014, 03:16 PM)

Posted by: jimkelly Mar 12 2014, 01:29 PM

the cable should be 101" from tip to tip - i believe.

Posted by: The Cabinetmaker Mar 12 2014, 01:33 PM

What hole is it coming thru? I can't tell from your pic.

Posted by: Grump Mar 12 2014, 01:34 PM

The forward most on the passenger side.

Posted by: Grump Mar 12 2014, 01:39 PM

I'll pull them both and then install the accelerator cable first. Only way to make sure clutch cable is not the cause.

Posted by: The Cabinetmaker Mar 12 2014, 01:42 PM

I don't see it in your pic. just wires.

Posted by: '73-914kid Mar 12 2014, 01:54 PM

Th cable is coming from the correct hole, and the cable sheath is bolted up correctly to the plenum.

I'm placing my money on it being wrapped around the clutch cable still..haha

Posted by: Jeffs9146 Mar 12 2014, 02:09 PM

Also if the housing is not fully seated on the tube at the firewall it will be short!

Posted by: Grump Mar 12 2014, 02:20 PM

I pulled both cables. Installed the accelerator cable and she is still short. Did not put clutch cable back. The black outer sheath is up tight against the bulkhead. It does measure 101 inches as jimkelly said it should. I only have 5 threads going into the pedal coupling. Don't want to loosen it more. It wouldn't be enough anyway.

Posted by: JawjaPorsche Mar 12 2014, 02:45 PM

I know this sounds obvious but make sure the cable has the most direct route to the throttle after it comes out of the engine tin hole. I made that mistake.

Posted by: Grump Mar 12 2014, 02:57 PM

The outer sheath connects to the plenum as it should so routing it another way will not give me more cable. Outer casing appears to be okay.

Posted by: Jeffs9146 Mar 12 2014, 03:18 PM

Maybe you got a 6 cable!?

Posted by: Grump Mar 12 2014, 03:26 PM

I'll check with Pelican. The only numbers on the cable are "Made in Poland 424 230 3313".

Posted by: The Cabinetmaker Mar 12 2014, 03:27 PM

Aren't they longer?

Posted by: Jeffs9146 Mar 12 2014, 03:32 PM

QUOTE(The Cabinetmaker @ Mar 12 2014, 02:27 PM)

Posted by: Grump Mar 12 2014, 03:50 PM

I just talked to Pelican. He said if it was for a 6 he would of had to order it from the factory, and it costs a bunch more. This manufacturer has been making them for years and he hasn't heard of one being too short. I can exchange it for the other brand, Terry, but I can't help thinking the problem is on my end.

Posted by: Dave_Darling Mar 12 2014, 05:11 PM

Double-check that the sheath fits onto the tube through the firewall securely.

Triple-check the routing of the cable.

--DD

Posted by: Grump Mar 12 2014, 06:10 PM

I've had it in and out 3 times. It doesn't bind, and goes in smoothly. The clutch cable is pulled so as not to obstruct. As you know, there are 2 sheaths. The inner white one slides into the tube with no problem. The outer black is tight against the firewall tube and connects easily to the plenum. Gotta sleep on it.

Posted by: Jeff Hail Mar 12 2014, 06:30 PM

I have a six cable in my hand. 100 inches tip to tip with the ball ends removed.

Posted by: dangrouche Mar 12 2014, 07:04 PM

in my case, the only time this problem presented itself occurred at the firewall; the cable housing separated from the ferrule that abuts the firewall, hence "shortening" the cable length. could not figure it out until you examine every inch of that cable. Solution: I had to replace it with a new one.

Posted by: Grump Mar 13 2014, 10:59 AM

Problem solved. Took out shifter base and with small mirror and light I saw the accelerator cable wrapped around the brake line. This looked like a natural path so no matter how many times I removed and installed it, the brake line was in the way. Removed ball coupling, 1 turn around brake line with cable, re-attached, just right amount of slack to couple with throttle. A pen light and a small mirror were invaluable. Re-installed clutch cable and with the mirror and light saw that they were parallel and would not bind. Thanks for all your responses..

Posted by: JawjaPorsche Mar 13 2014, 12:44 PM

Posted by: Grump Mar 13 2014, 02:41 PM

Lesson learned: Do your homework and you won't have to ask questions.

Posted by: JawjaPorsche Mar 13 2014, 03:03 PM

If you did ask questions we would not learn something. Not just you but other people who read this forum.

Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Mar 13 2014, 03:38 PM

The brake line? It'a nowhere NEAR the brake line. The tube runs from the firewall to a point on the left side of the tunnel a few inches forward of the shifter assembly opening. It's paired with the clutch cable tube, and brazed to the side of the tunnel.

The Cap'n

Posted by: Jeff Hail Mar 13 2014, 04:02 PM

QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Mar 13 2014, 02:38 PM)

Posted by: JawjaPorsche Mar 13 2014, 04:34 PM

Maybe it was a line that looked like a brake line but could be stainless fuel lines that someone installed? Just asking! It was a line that was the problem. I think we can all agree with that.

Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Mar 13 2014, 04:37 PM

QUOTE(Jeff Hail @ Mar 13 2014, 02:02 PM)

QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Mar 13 2014, 02:38 PM)

The brake line? It'a nowhere NEAR the brake line. The tube runs from the firewall to a point on the left side of the tunnel a few inches forward of the shifter assembly opening. It's paired with the clutch cable tube, and brazed to the side of the tunnel.

The Cap'n

Was thinking the same thing. Hey for some sex is best with the lights on.

Posted by: Grump Mar 13 2014, 04:40 PM

I should of taken a pic before buttoning it back up. If what you say is true, and I believe it is, the brake line must of been replaced. It runs down the center of the tunnel. When taking off the rear inspection cover, you can see a fitting where one line ends and another continues. On mine the tubes run about 14 inches and one is above the other on the passenger side of the tunnel. The accelerator is the top tube and clutch the lower. What can I say, I saw what I saw.

Posted by: Grump Mar 13 2014, 04:50 PM

I put in the ss fuel lines. I know what the brake line looks like.

Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Mar 13 2014, 05:33 PM

Here's a picture of the tunnel, from Charlie Davis via DDD on Pelican:



Note that it's upside down. On the viewer's left are the fuel lines. Running down the middle is the brake line. Note the coupler near the bottom of the picture. It's 2 pieces, and comes out the bottom into a right angle fitting. To the right are the clutch, throttle, and heater cable tubes. The heater tubes stop just before the opening for the shifter. The clutch and throttle tubes extend past the shifter opening and end quite a ways before the forward closing panel, through which the 2 fuel lines and the brake line extend. Note that the clutch tube, the throttle cable tube, and the right heater cable tube start out on the passenger side and angle across to the driver's side. The fuel pipes start out, and stay, on the passenger side. The left heater cable tube and the brake pipe start out on the driver's side. The heater cable tube stays there, the brake line moves to the center early on. Because the clutch cable and the throttle emerge from their long tubes near the front, and they're in a direct line to the pedal connections, they cannot foul the brake line, which is 2 or 3 inches away. They can, however, foul each other, and often do on installation. It happens even to experienced techs. I have seen cases where the clutch and throttle cables have ended up outside their respective tubes. It's a hack, but such things DO happen. Probably more often with the throttle cable when someone becomes frustrated because the Teflon sleeve has jammed up the works and they can't easily get the tube cleared. IMO, that's the ONLY way the cable could foul the brake pipe. Make sense?

The Cap'n

Posted by: Jeff Hail Mar 13 2014, 05:55 PM

QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Mar 13 2014, 03:37 PM)

QUOTE(Jeff Hail @ Mar 13 2014, 02:02 PM)

QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Mar 13 2014, 02:38 PM)

The brake line? It'a nowhere NEAR the brake line. The tube runs from the firewall to a point on the left side of the tunnel a few inches forward of the shifter assembly opening. It's paired with the clutch cable tube, and brazed to the side of the tunnel.

The Cap'n

Was thinking the same thing. Hey for some sex is best with the lights on.

So, is that religious or political? Both? Neither?

The Cap'n

Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Mar 13 2014, 06:34 PM

Just pullin" your properly, modestly, and well covered leg. Wouldn't wanna get in trouble with those who care about stuff like that .......................

The Cap'n