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Posted by: Vacca Rabite Apr 20 2014, 08:49 AM

I picked up some 7 inch wide cookies at Hershey.
I think I'll be able to stuff them under my non-flared car.

Am I on crack?

Zach

Posted by: JRust Apr 20 2014, 08:54 AM

As always the rear will be tight. Are your lips already rolled? If so should be fine. I ran 215/45/16's with no problems. The lower profile tires help a little. That was with just a rolled lip & no pulling

Posted by: SLITS Apr 20 2014, 09:01 AM

I run 15X7 Cookies with 195/65 tires. Minimal clearance on driver's side, but does not hit lip.

Posted by: pete-stevers Apr 20 2014, 09:39 AM

if they are 951s...no prob

Posted by: Dave_Darling Apr 20 2014, 09:43 AM

Slits has it. It should work with 195s, but that's stretched out pretty far if I recall correctly.

It may or may not work with 205s. It is pretty likely that you will have to pull or roll out one or both rear fenders.

I'd be very surprised to hear anything wider than 205s fitting without modifying the fenders in some way.

--DD

Posted by: r_towle Apr 20 2014, 11:07 AM

It should fit, but if it touches you can take some masking tape, tape up the whole lip, heat it up with a heat gun, and cut it off with a die grinder.

If you go slow, you won't crack the paint and it should be fine.
Leave about 1/8 inch of lip to give the fender some strength.

If you look at it now you can see it hits in a small area....so you really only need to do that area if you have to at all.

Sometimes you can just pull slightly on the fender in that area and it moves a bit....
Pulling will widen the door gap...

Posted by: Spoke Apr 20 2014, 11:28 AM

7x16 Fuchs with 225/50/16 tires. Had to pull the fenders out a bit.



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Posted by: Tom Apr 20 2014, 12:36 PM

I have seen a car with wider wheels and the fender pulled quite a bit. It not only affected the door gap, but the rear bumper gap also. I have to admit, I do like the look of 225's or larger under a narrow body. Just looks like the car means business!
Tom

Posted by: 914forme Apr 20 2014, 04:30 PM

Yes they fit fine. I ran them all the time, with 205/50 V710s, not an issue up front at all. Rear was tight on the inside, fixed by adding a 1/8" spacer.

Posted by: jcd914 Apr 20 2014, 05:05 PM

On my 71 I had 7 inch cookie cutters with 195/60 15s and they just barely cleared (less than 1/4 inch) and that was with rolled lips on the fenders.
205/50 15s would not clear, I tried.

Jim

Posted by: Vacca Rabite Apr 20 2014, 07:25 PM

Excellent.
I have no issue rolling fenders on this car if need be.
If I can stuff 225s back there I also don't have a problem pulling the fenders. Car could use a better paint job any how.

Zach

Posted by: mepstein Apr 20 2014, 09:00 PM

I've seen two cars that were pulled and the rear looked like crap. the metal has to come from somewhere. 225's wont work without major work. Grab a used 225, mount on the cookie and see how much you need.

Posted by: mepstein Apr 20 2014, 09:00 PM

I've seen two cars that were pulled and the rear looked like crap. the metal has to come from somewhere. 225's wont work without major work. Grab a used 225, mount on the cookie and see how much you need.

Posted by: lonewolfe Apr 20 2014, 09:43 PM

Hey Spoke!

I have the same 4 of the 7x16 Fuchs I'll be putting on my car soon. Are you running 7"s in the front and what size front tires? Did you have to use spacers with the front wheels to keep them from rubbing the innner fenders? What kind of tires are you running? Sorry for all the questions but you've done it already and any info is appreciated.

Posted by: roachghia70 Apr 20 2014, 10:21 PM

I have 225s on my narrow car, but it took some rolling and cutting the fender support brackets.

Cut and paste from my 'RSR Cookie Cutter' thread:

I can get pictures of the fender support that was modified, if it would help you out. Just let me know.

Posted by: lonewolfe Apr 20 2014, 10:51 PM

Are you going to run the same 225/50's in the front?

Posted by: bluhun Apr 20 2014, 11:29 PM

I have 205/55-16's on 951 Fuchs and I had to get the rear fenders pulled to make them fit.

Posted by: 2mAn Apr 21 2014, 12:25 AM

yes, please!

Posted by: Vacca Rabite Apr 21 2014, 03:23 PM

I'd like to see them too please!
Zach

Posted by: roachghia70 Apr 22 2014, 11:46 AM

The fender support is located in front of the rear wheel, right by the suspension pivot point. View from the back of the car on the driver's side:

http://s255.photobucket.com/user/LOW145/media/1970%20Porsche%20914%20WRX%20Swap/66A17EC8-ECAD-400D-B2AD-C7700C8E4C31.jpg.html

And zoomed in:
http://s255.photobucket.com/user/LOW145/media/1970%20Porsche%20914%20WRX%20Swap/C6685E94-991D-40CB-AB46-651224166352.jpg.html

http://s255.photobucket.com/user/LOW145/media/1970%20Porsche%20914%20WRX%20Swap/A1991B11-E7BD-4A20-AB2C-A0AEBF472636.jpg.html

You can see that the PO cut this little 1" wide brace, so that the fender could move outwards. There's approximately a .25" gap in the brace, so the fender wasn't moved very much. I intend to re-weld a brace there, once my wheel fitment work is all complete.

By cutting this brace, you are allowing a wider area of the fender to move, resulting in less stretch and less potential damage to the paint. It might also result in less of a problem with door gaps, because the fender isn't bound in this area, so when it is pulled, it doesn't pivot against that brace.

Here is a view of that driver's side wheel looking upwards from the ground, down by the back bumper:
http://s255.photobucket.com/user/LOW145/media/1970%20Porsche%20914%20WRX%20Swap/BCC869DD-C159-40D9-A360-EF7548528FB5.jpg.html
You can see that the fender lip has been heavily rolled on this side. I can't fit my finger between the fender and the tire. I'd say there's 1/8" of gap at the most.



The passenger side fender support was not modified. It seems that most 914s have a bigger clearance problem on the driver's side than they do on the passenger side. Seems like there's plenty of room on the passenger side, because the fender lip on my was not even rolled.
http://s255.photobucket.com/user/LOW145/media/1970%20Porsche%20914%20WRX%20Swap/9E7D04F0-B2DA-443C-B193-FFF00AF0D10E.jpg.html

Passenger side fender support intact:
http://s255.photobucket.com/user/LOW145/media/1970%20Porsche%20914%20WRX%20Swap/8BB3DD46-D620-4A8E-81EB-DFD3118B7304.jpg.html

Looking up at the fender lip, you can see it hasn't been rolled like the driver's side.
http://s255.photobucket.com/user/LOW145/media/1970%20Porsche%20914%20WRX%20Swap/CE70429B-3299-4677-B402-3C8099C61302.jpg.html


It might not be for everyone, but I do love the look of wide tires stuffed under the fenders. Unfortunately, it does take a little stretching to get them under there. I think that the most careful way to do it is by using the heat gun on the lip and rolling it over or cutting it like described earlier in this thread. To stretch the fender, I would cut this little support brace, and use a scissor jack inside the fender to push the fender outwards. Obviously, you need to put something soft on the head of the jack, so that it doesn't dent the fender. I like to use a thin sheet plywood with a thick newspaper against the fender, to keep it soft and slightly flexible, so that you don't create any dents. and you do a tiny bit at a time, and keep moving the jack around. You also must test fit the wheel several times, to see where exactly it needs to move outwards. Just take your time and be careful, and you will end up with a clean and almost unidentifiable modification.

Some people will even take a very thick Sunday paper layed flat, jack up the car with the wheel still installed, put the newspaper between the wheel and the fender, then lower the jack fairly quickly. This results in the fender lip being pushed outwards softly, as the paper tears at the high pressure points. If you're interested in seeing how this is done, search for it on YouTube. It sounds hokey, but it's amazing how well it works.

Posted by: 914Timo Apr 22 2014, 02:01 PM

In the first pic I have 7x15 Fuchs with 205/50/15 tires + stock fenders. Fuchs were 911R with bigger ET.

In the second pic I have 7x16 Fuchs with 205/50/16 in front and 205/55/16 in rear. The trailing arms in rear are 20mm narrowed both sides.

Posted by: Spoke Apr 22 2014, 02:21 PM

I'm running 6x16 with 205/50/16 tires. No spacers, no clearance issues.

Posted by: lonewolfe Apr 22 2014, 02:58 PM

How did you narrow the trailing arms 20mm? Do you have any pictures of the modifications you did the the trailing arms? I have a set of 7x16 Fuchs that I'll be putting on my car. I love the way yours look with both the 15" & 16" wheels but prefer the look of the 16' wheels like yours in the second picture. That is a beautiful car! Why did you go with 205/55's in the rear? I was thinking of going with 205/50's front and rear on mine. What type tires are you running?

Posted by: Zaney Apr 22 2014, 05:24 PM

I started out trying to roll the lip and ended up going a bit further

Now, room for 8's!

Posted by: burton73 Apr 22 2014, 06:27 PM

My v8 car had 7's with 215/ 55 or something like that. 215 for sure. I still have the tires that I bought from Duc. The rear lip was made flat for around 12 inches. This is a picture of the car before I bought it with the tires on the 7s.

It got a 6 conversion and I got the car as body only sent down from Camp 914. They where driving it with the wheel and tires and I do not see any rubber on it. I looked at it today when it went vertical on my rotisserie today.

Bob Burton

Posted by: DBCooper Apr 22 2014, 08:28 PM

Will it work? Of course it will, as a lot of people have demonstrated. Here, 7x16 911 Fuchs front and rear with 215/45/16's, rears rolled and pulled. I prefer narrowbodied cars anyway, so pulling the fenders beats the hell out of weldeng on flares and repainting the whole car.




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Posted by: jaxdream Apr 22 2014, 09:57 PM

Does anybody have the wheel offset / backspace front and rear handy for these listed wheels ??? That would be a help in determing spacer thickness if needed.

Jack

Posted by: bulitt Apr 23 2014, 04:41 AM

I am surprised no one has offered an aftermarket Control Arm. Aluminum maybe

Posted by: bulitt Apr 23 2014, 04:44 AM

Posted by: 914Timo Apr 23 2014, 05:39 AM

I made these about 12 years ago. Here are couple of pics. In the #1 is the jig. I had to make both sides own jig. #2 One done. See the difference. #3 Painted. #4 Installed with 911 e-brake.

Tires are just normal tires. I bougth 205/55´s first, but they were too big in front. Then chanced to 205/50´s in front. I like the look and the end gearing with bigger rear tires is a little better.

Posted by: Dave_Darling Apr 23 2014, 07:34 AM

Someone did. Camber and toe were set at the wheel bearing end, not the body end of the arm.

I believe they sold exactly two of them.

--DD

Posted by: jaxdream Apr 23 2014, 07:51 AM

Thanks bulitt , that's great !!!

Jack

Posted by: JmuRiz Apr 23 2014, 08:10 AM

I would think a 7R offset would work...but I've never seen a set, much less tried them on my car. My 16x6 with 205 tires all around work for me.

I'd rather have a custom set of wheels made to fit than mess with the rear arms or fenders.

Posted by: sixnotfour Apr 23 2014, 01:20 PM

Empi 7 x 17 Deeep six look wheels 40mm offset..fit great


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Posted by: r_towle Apr 23 2014, 01:24 PM

Zach,

I just remembered that Mark Skala had cookies on his stock /6

Reach out to him, he knows all about making wide wheels fit.

rich

Posted by: relentless Apr 23 2014, 02:35 PM

I had purchased these 7" Boyd wheels with 205-55/16 tires hoping they would fit my stock '76 914. Unfortunately, they rub on the rear and I had to put the original steel wheels back on. I really didn't want to alter the stock wheel wells as this 914 is truly a survivor.


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Posted by: lonewolfe Apr 24 2014, 06:27 AM

Those wheels look great on your car. What size tires are you running? Did you roll or pull your fenders? Any spacers on the front wheels?

Posted by: brant Apr 24 2014, 06:30 AM

Cookies 6inch. Are a guaranteed fit

Posted by: mskala Apr 24 2014, 10:20 AM

I used the 6", which are never a problem.

Many things going on in this thread. The issue with the wider wheels on the
rear of the 914 has been gone over forever. The porsche offset for the 7"
fuchs is 23mm, so they stick out more than the 6" or 5 1/2" wheels. The fender
lip starts squeezing in toward the bumper, so cutting the little brace at the
front of the wheel is not going to do very much.

For something that is going to fit with the least hassle, you need between 35
and 40 mm offset. Boxster 7x16 is 40mm and works well. Or, look at any of
the later 944/928 wheels that were 52mm offset, and just use a 1/2" spacer.

Everything is slightly different based on the tire you're going to use, camber you're running and spring rate as well as the hand-built nature of the car.

Also, don't try to use something that has an 1/8" gap between the tire and
any part of the lip (or inner wheel well). Tires move; a lot if you are going
to autocross. I have video.

Right now I have 7 1/2" x 16 made from Fuchs centers and BBS halves.
Wheels are not a problem as I made them with the right offset, however the
Kumho 215/40/16 autocross tires are the absolute limit for width. I'm losing
the paint on the inner wheel wells and am barely okay on the outside with
some basic pulling. This is with a lot of camber.