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Posted by: thelogo Apr 28 2014, 01:09 PM
Tried to get the teener started today
It started , an ran for approx two minutes , warmed up
Then died and cannot get it going again
I tried adding two gallons of fresh gas ,still nothing
Just cranks that's it , no sputters ,nothing
Fuel pump is making noise when key is in start position .
Any suggestions ???
Georgia peach my ass , Georgia trash is what you are . "
The great Ty Cobb
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Posted by: r_towle Apr 28 2014, 01:21 PM
do you have spark?
Do you have fuel at the injectors?
For spark, you can put a timing light on one of the leads and see if it flashes...
For fuel, take one injector out and put it in a glass baby food jar....turn the car over and see if its spraying any fuel.
rich
Posted by: thelogo Apr 28 2014, 01:48 PM
do you have spark?
Do you have fuel at the injectors?
For spark, you can put a timing light on one of the leads and see if it flashes...
For fuel, take one injector out and put it in a glass baby food jar....turn the car over and see if its spraying any fuel.
rich
I have no way of determining spark ( no timing light presently ) or am I down for the fuel injectors baby bottle test ( fire hassdard I'm thinkin)
I understand these limitations make it diffucult to impossible to troubleshoot
But
It ran bueatiful for a few minutes so I assume spark and spray were adequate .
???
Posted by: Bob L. Apr 28 2014, 01:58 PM
Clogged fuel filter? Test the injectors in a jar. It's only a fire hazard if you let it spray around the hot engine, sparks or are smoking when you do it. You need to make sure the fuel is getting through he system
Posted by: 7TPorsh Apr 28 2014, 02:18 PM
Look for loose wire at the coil, battery
Posted by: thelogo Apr 28 2014, 05:35 PM
Look for loose wire at the coil, battery
Ok all three wires are firmly connect to blue coil
As is distributeor to coil cable is good
I was thinkin most likely culprit is old gasoline and or vapor lock ...
???
Posted by: r_towle Apr 28 2014, 05:40 PM
No such thing as vapor lock.
Pull a spark plug, plug it back into the correct plug wire, hold the plug body against ground, turn over motor, see if you have a spark.
For fuel, you need to see if you are getting fuel.
Safest way is to undo the one 10mm nut that hold the injector in place and stick the end into a glass jar for safety....turn over motor with coil wire removed...so you will have no spark present....
See if you have fuel.
These two tests are bare minimum to see if you have fuel and spark.
Otherwise, send it to a shop for them to test it out for you.
Rich
Posted by: thelogo Apr 28 2014, 05:43 PM
Clogged fuel filter? Test the injectors in a jar. It's only a fire hazard if you let it spray around the hot engine, sparks or are smoking when you do it. You need to make sure the fuel is getting through he system
Just out of curiosity where is the fuel fiilter ??? Engine bay ? Aka boot or bonnet ?
Posted by: thelogo Apr 28 2014, 06:16 PM
Tried to get the teener started today
It started , an ran for approx two minutes , warmed up
Then died and cannot get it going again
I tried adding two gallons of fresh gas ,still nothing
Just cranks that's it , no sputters ,nothing
Fuel pump is making noise when key is in start position .
Any suggestions ???
Ok so when I crank the motor , large 15in around see photo attached )(
gasoline leaks from right in front of the right rear tire .
Your thought here , my thoughts , ,,smell like gas
Battery has been removed from chasis - He'll hole
Georgia peach my ass , Georgia trash is what you are . "
The great Ty Cobb
T
Posted by: thelogo Apr 28 2014, 06:20 PM
Tried to get the teener started today
It started , an ran for approx two minutes , warmed up
Then died and cannot get it going again
I tried adding two gallons of fresh gas ,still nothing
Just cranks that's it , no sputters ,nothing
Fuel pump is making noise when key is in start position .
Any suggestions ???
Ok so when I crank the motor , large 15in around see photo attached )( gasoline leaks from right in front of the right rear tire .
Your thought here , my thoughts , ,,smell like gas
Battery has been removed from chasis - He'll hole
Georgia peach my ass , Georgia trash is what you are . "
The great Ty Cobb
Ok so when I crank the motor , large 15in around see photo attached )(
gasoline leaks from right in front of the right rear tire .
Your thought here , my thoughts , ,,smell like gas
Battery has been removed from chasis - He'll hole
Georgia peach my ass , Georgia trash is what you are . "
The great Ty Cobb
T
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Posted by: thelogo Apr 28 2014, 06:21 PM
Tried to get the teener started today
It started , an ran for approx two minutes , warmed up
Then died and cannot get it going again
I tried adding two gallons of fresh gas ,still nothing
Just cranks that's it , no sputters ,nothing
Fuel pump is making noise when key is in start position .
Any suggestions ???
Ok so when I crank the motor , large 15in around see photo attached )( gasoline leaks from right in front of the right rear tire .
Your thought here , my thoughts , ,,smell like gas
Battery has been removed from chasis - He'll hole
Georgia peach my ass , Georgia trash is what you are . "
The great Ty Cobb
Hopefully.there won't be any great balls of fire in my future """"
Ok so when I crank the motor , large 15in around see photo attached )(
gasoline leaks from right in front of the right rear tire .
Your thought here , my thoughts , ,,smell like gas
Battery has been removed from chasis - He'll hole
Georgia peach my ass , Georgia trash is what you are . "
The great Ty Cobb
T
Posted by: The Cabinetmaker Apr 28 2014, 06:52 PM
Like the others have said, you need to verify fuel and spark.
I finally figured out your multiqoute posting yoursel.. You obviously have fuel if it's leaking in front of the tire. Try switching the relays around on the relay board.
Not necessary to quote yourself. Just post away.
Posted by: thelogo Apr 28 2014, 07:05 PM
Like the others have said, you need to verify fuel and spark.
I finally figured out your multiqoute posting yoursel.. You obviously have fuel if it's leaking in front of the tire. Try switching the relays around on the relay board.
Not necessary to quote yourself. Just post away.
I'm pretty convinced that no gas is going in the motor because its all spraying on the ground
In front of right rear rr
So all spark related items ,coils ,plugs ,wires ,relays are in tip top sharp and I have no reason to believe they are in question
So I'm going to focus on the fuel , aka fuel leak
But not sure where to begin as ,no gas is present in the engine bay ,only underneathv
But I know some one here has had an overcomes this problem long before me an will
Chime in an bail me out
I'm just glad I didn't spark a flame thrower behind my ass
Then again " light a fire under this guys ass will ya." Tommy lasorda,
Posted by: The Cabinetmaker Apr 28 2014, 07:21 PM
Your fuel pump and the lines are in front of the rr tire.
Posted by: thelogo Apr 28 2014, 07:25 PM
Your fuel pump and the lines are in front of the rr tire.
Thank you
Posted by: Bob L. Apr 28 2014, 07:27 PM
Fuel on the ground doesn't mean it's getting to the injectors. Filter location depends on year, could be next to pump, not sure. A clog could be the cause of the leak. some years have the pump on the firewall under the battery. Watch for the leak while someone turns the key/cranks it with the coil unplugged.
Gas leak BAD!!
Posted by: Qarl Apr 28 2014, 07:40 PM
Lots of possibilities...
It can be broken/cracked plastic fuel lines under the fuel tank
It can be a broken pump (which may be under the tank) or near the cross member, or in the rear depending on year.
It can be a dry-rotted fuel line (under the tank)
You may be able to verify the above by jacking up the front of the car, removing the front passenger side wheel, and looking up under the cross member/steering rack. If you have a cover pan, that may need to be removed.
It can be debris/crud clogging the filter screen in the tank.
It cab be an old/clogged fuel filter (which can be under the tank or under the engine shelf).
Posted by: r_towle Apr 28 2014, 07:43 PM
Stock car, your fuel pump and filter are underneath the car in front of the rear tire.
Almost right under your battery, but you can only get to them from under the car.
If that leak is up front, you also have two rubber fuel lines under the tank.
From underneath the front, you can remove the access panel that covers the steering rack by removing two 17mm bolts and two 13 mm bolts....those are the two wrench you need to take underneath.
Once that panel is removed, you will see a hole about 3 inches in diameter, that is right under the rubber fuel lines....get a flashlight and mirror in there, you will see them.
Rich
Posted by: thelogo Apr 28 2014, 08:04 PM
[quote name='r_towle' date='Apr 28 2014, 06:43 PM' post='2030641']
Stock car, your fuel pump and filter are underneath the car in front of the rear tire.
Almost right under your battery, but you can only get to them from under the car.
If that leak is up front, you also have two rubber fuel lines under the tank.
From underneath the front, you can remove the access panel that covers the steering rack by removing two 17mm bolts and two 13 mm bolts....those are the two wrench you need to take underneath.
Once that panel is removed, you will see a hole about 3 inches in diameter, that is right under the rubber fuel lines....get a flashlight and mirror in there, you will see them.
Rich
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Thanks rich its stock and definitely leaking by rr. Right rear
Where do I access this area ,underneath someone said ?
In the photo the car was rolled back into garage when I tried
Starting it was a car length forward
Posted by: thelogo Apr 28 2014, 09:14 PM
Is this my problem ,don't see a lot of fuel or hose cracks anywhere else
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Posted by: thelogo Apr 28 2014, 09:17 PM
Photo is of line that starts at drivers end an swings around to right rear suspension ear
Area ,not positive its even fuel line , yall,tell me ?
Posted by: thelogo Apr 28 2014, 09:24 PM
Too bad I don't have one of those automotive inspection camera s on a flexi
Cord I could just look thru the hole in the He'll hole ( pictured below ) 
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Posted by: Bob L. Apr 28 2014, 09:35 PM
That's a hole in the battery tray. The hell hole is/would be below that.
Not sure, but the thing you're referring to looks like the emergency brake cable sheath. there should be one like it on the drivers side. Do they go to the rear calipers?
Posted by: thelogo Apr 28 2014, 09:58 PM
That's a hole in the battery tray. The hell hole is/would be below that.
Not sure, but the thing you're referring to looks like the emergency brake cable sheath. there should be one like it on the drivers side. Do they go to the rear calipers?
Crawled back under there , your correct
,but
also the fuel line is right next to it as well as the filter , ( picture below ,its white box )
And the fuel line seems fine to it and exiting , but without being up on jackstands I cannot
See nor acces.any higher up , or any higher then top of fuel filter .
Fuel pump area correct me if I'm wrong
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Posted by: Bob L. Apr 28 2014, 11:08 PM
The pump should be on the firewall medial to/above the filter. Unless it has been moved up front or it's a '75-'76, in which case it started up front. I didn't see that you said what year it is.
Posted by: The Cabinetmaker Apr 29 2014, 05:59 AM
Some folks don't read very well. You clearly stated that the gas is on the floor in front of the right rear tire. That doesn't equate to a leak under the tank.
Your last pic shows the very end of the pump and the white filter. Just because the hoses look ok doesn't mean anything. You must pressurize the system and visually inspect. Old hoses, especially the cloth covered one's, can seep thru the hose. I've also seen pump bodies crack and leak. Get it on jackstands or a lift and get under there while someone cranks the starter. Pull the plug wire from the coil while cranking to prevent a spark and don't put your face directly under the pump unless you like the taste of gas. Always keep an extinguisher handy when dealing with gas.
Posted by: Qarl Apr 29 2014, 07:19 AM
Some folks don't read very well. You clearly stated that the gas is on the floor in front of the right rear tire. That doesn't equate to a leak under the tank.
Some folks looked at the photos showing a fuel spill in front of the car by the front tire/bumper
Posted by: The Cabinetmaker Apr 29 2014, 08:59 AM
Some folks don't read very well. You clearly stated that the gas is on the floor in front of the right rear tire. That doesn't equate to a leak under the tank.
Some folks looked at the photos showing a fuel spill in front of the car by the front tire/bumper
Yeah, saw that pic. You have to find the hidden text in his multiquotes.
Posted by: r_towle Apr 29 2014, 06:53 PM
You are close.
Jack the car up....high
The wet line you have in your pic is the emergency brake cable....no fuel in that.
There are two fuel lines that come out from the middle of the car, turn towards the passenger side along the rear lower firewall, then go to the fuel pump and filter in that corner.
They are up high to keep them protected, so you will need to either jack up the car, or put it on ramps or a lift to repair this.
Posted by: thelogo Apr 30 2014, 10:27 PM
Great advice and thanks to all fellow members ,but jack stands and "lift up.really high to get under"
Have me waving the white flag .
Tow trucking it 7 miles to sandrail guru, aka lefty
And have all fuel system gone thru . Sans ,f.I ( cause can't really be gone thru )
At least I will not.be piloting the Hindenburg 
Shout out to the cheap sob " 
Your are nothing but a moderate success in a moderate size pond" 
The great Ty Cobb
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