http://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=80648
Read the whole thread if you are interested in new and improved....(400 grams lighter) 2.0L rods for your 914.
Jake is talking about $280.00 a set, but it won't happen unless he gets enough buyers lined up.
For that price you could afford to put a set on the shelf and keep them for the next rebuild.
I'm buying at least 2 sets....who else wants to see this happen ?
my goal is eventually put together a 2056, for a number of reasons. they would have to be set up for the 71mm stroke. do you think the performance gain will be worth the cost? i'm waiting to see what will be available and what items are going to cost when jake's store is open.
kevin
If it wasn't worth the cost I would not be attempting this..
The weakest link in a TIV is those heavy ass rods that cost 140 bucks just to outfit with better bolts.
These rods are a 100% stock replacement, just 400 grams lighter with a 300% stronger bolt.
I have to buy 500 rods to get them made at all, and trust me, thats a chunk of moolah!
These rods selling for 280 bucks a set are cheaper than a rebuilt set of upgraded stock rods, those run 325.00 and are no where near as strong!
I have ran rods with these same characteristics in 300+ HP Turbo engines, with just using an upgraded bolts.
tempted. how's it going to work? pay upfront and wait, comitt and you wait? will these be a billet item or cast?
kevin
The rods are an H Beam design, totally forged rod similar in design to a Carrillo.
I don't want ANY money till I have atleast buyers for 50 sets, then I'll get the money and we'll have rods in about a month..
I am in for a set
I'm in for a set. 500 is only 125 sets. Heh heh heh, I said only.
Yeah...... Its only more money than I actually pocketed all last year for those 125 sets, even if I pre sell 50 of them!!
Unless you are the owner of a hack shop that cranks engines out left and right this isn't a very lucrative business.
Can these rods be used with a longer stroke than 71mm??? Or are they too short?I'm thinking 74-76mm.
Rick
Hi Jake,
Is it a 24mm (stock) or 22mm piston pin?
(strange nobody asked before)
Thanks,
Walter
Good question Walter!
THESE PARTICULAR RODS ARE AN EXACT COPY OF THE 2.0 TYPE 4 ROD!!!!!
SAME LENGTH
SAME BIG END
SAME SMALL END
BUT, 400 grams lighter, H Beam style and equipped with 8740 ARP bolts as standard equipment.
In my opinion the standard length 2.0 rod should be avoided when stroking due to the piston velocities that they create. Sure it can be used, but it will not have the efficiency or rev capability as a proper length rod. When stroking we totally get away from the 2.0 rod journal any way simply because the only bearing available for it is a Bi- Metal OEM unit that can't take alot of point load due to its material and diameter. When stroking we add rod length to correct the rod ratio AND change journal characteristics to allow the use of a better bearing. Hell, my 2316 engines use the EXACT same bearing that NASCAR runs!
We need a rod thats a stock 2.0 replacements- Thats what these are! A set of 2.0 cores costs as much as these do not including having them just rebuilt to stock specs!
I can make any rod, any length, just have to do 500 the same at one pop. I already have my own rods made for my 2270 and 2316 combos.....
This is the reason I have been so cautious about going forward with these, because I won't use many of them myself simply because almost everything we build is a stroker.
Thanks Jake!
I was afraid you were going to say 22mm pin because so many aftermarket manufactorers use a piston with 22mm small end pin.
Bushing 24mm to 22mm is of course much more easy than the other way around so they will still be more universal that way!
I still have a nice set of 6000km used JE's 96mm/barrels with the 24mm pin, so I am pleased to hear this and am in for a set also if they will be available within reasonable time (say 6 months or so)
Thanks,
Walter
I don't use a 22 pin till we add stroke......
Then everything gets a 22mm pin.
I just need enough people to commit to buy them.
So far I only have 18 takers and MUST have 50 to do the deal.
jake, how would one go about getting on the list?
-Chris
I am setting up an email account just for it...
Now if I could get somebody to commit to build my motor, I might be interested. Jake is way too busy. No knocks, busy means he is good, but I just can't see getting on the one year waiting list. I was real excited about the Kit Carlson fuel injection, but that seems to have faded away - again! So, now that my damn car is finally getting painted and I got my absolutely perfectly restored main wiring harness (yeah the whole damn thing down to the fuse panel, switches, you name it) restored by good ole Bowlsby and all the harnesses (fuel injection, alternator, etc) that Bowlsby makes - I said to hell with it I will just go back with the D-Jet, so it seems like a close to stock rebuild it will be. Then I still got to find someone to work on the 2.0 heads. Anyhow, for 100 hp how does this make sense? How come everybody likes these cars but nobody (at least nobody close by this frigid berg we call Massachusetts) wants to work on them? Raby, I wish to hell I was in GA, I'd drop the motor off on your door step and come get it in December? God, the 4 degrees outside is getting to me. At least we got the Patriots!
William,
The Kit Carlson system has not faded away.
The designer has been very busy with all the details. Making a quality product or kit takes time. He also is an engineer and not a businessman so he had alot of things to do to set up his business and book work- etc...
I talk to him weekly as I continue to test his system and he never talks about not selling the system. I sometimes think its hard for guys to understand just how complex things are when trying to satisfy the buying public these days.
As for my engines:
For the first time EVER I have been able to pinpoint a scheduled engine build down to the week it will be finished. Currently the backlog is 33 engines and that puts us into the 3rd week of September for a delivery date. Its not a full year, although it has been before.
I chose long ago to limit the number of engines we build and provide more quality through more man hours spent on the design and assembly and even the testing of the engine. It takes 80 man hours between Brent and I to create on of our standard engines and up to 120 for a SuperHero.
I have no conmcern with doing a huge amount of engines. In 1997 we did 70 engines, last year we only did 40. The 40 of last year were WAY more developed than the 70 in 1997. Every year I want to keep dropping our volume and upping the quality and development. Hell I will be happy the day that I can build 10 engines per year and make them absolute bad ass... All while supplying the rest of the world with the best parts and designs available for the to do their own work.
The services I offer are unavailable anywhere else. The combos I have designed and the testing put into them is unparalleled. No one else has the coating technology, valve train parts, head specs and overall performance combinations that I do... Thats because they are concerned with volume numbers and keeping 20 employees paid.....
Here its just Brent and I....
Just wait till February and you'll be able to have a "Raby inspired" engine easier than ever before.... Just without our assembly!
You can sign me up for a set, and a set of 96mm KB pistons and suitable ring set too.
Jake, I like the fact they are stock configuration lighter and stronger. Us Gig Harbor boyz like speed. Count me in for a set.
Tim
Jake: Glad to hear the Kit Carlson project is still moving forward. I will definitely wait to February for the details of the new project you have up your sleeve. Man, this warms me up even if it is 0 outside today. My garage door is frozen to the floor!!!
i'm in.
kevin
OK, Chris Foley says I'm in. He's the man!
Okay guys.
I set up this email address to help manage my product development lists better.
productdevelopment@aircooledtechnology.com
Go ahead and send an email to this account and as the list gets longer and more happens I'll be able to keep you in the queue without taking up forum space..
I really want to make these rods happen and we can do it as long as I sell the 50 sets.
Lets get this going!
Jake is the man!
How many are sold now??
Geoff
Not even 25 sets...
Need atleast 25 more.
I think I'd buy a set (or two?), depending on how things are going with Jake's roller lifters. It'd be neat to build a screaming 2056 (or 71x98?).
96mm jugs for a 2056. Jake, I'm waiting 7 days to see what's up at your new online store before I say yes on this deal. I'm thinking that I'd rather have a 2270.
I think I like to go that route as well but the first step is make it run ...Im in.
still need 17 more sets sold before we can do it!
If you don't need the money for a weeks away, count me in for one set......
Yup. me too for a set.
Geoff
15 more to go...
come on guys....
13 more to go....
Count me in for one set!
send me the email Chris
productdevelopment@aircooledtechnology.com
12 more to go!
Bump! 12 More to go!
I can't believe no one else is signing up....
this is a killer price people....I was looking at aftermarket stock sized rods for a Subaru and they want $500 for all 4 rods !!!!!...ouch.....so much for thinking the import stuff would be cheaper...
Waiting to see Jake's online store before I decide. T minus what? 3 days?
I don't think the store will make a difference, since both these rods and the store are brought to you by Jake. What options are there compared to this? Rebuilt rods for $210, plus cores.
plus you can use a std 2.0 crank without getting a special one with chebbie or type 1 rod journals. This is a bargain boys....
Geoff
Watch, as soon as Jake sells the 50 sets, 3 months later, there will be 20 guys wanting to buy them.
QUOTE (Cloudbuster @ Jan 27 2005, 09:15 AM) |
I don't think the store will make a difference, since both these rods and the store are brought to you by Jake. What options are there compared to this? Rebuilt rods for $210, plus cores. |
QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Jan 27 2005, 08:20 AM) |
Watch, as soon as Jake sells the 50 sets, 3 months later, there will be 20 guys wanting to buy them. |
Once people sign up for 50 sets the problem will be getting them all to pay. Lots of people often say they want in on group buys but getting them to seal the deal always seems to be a problem.
bump. you can't do this with 40 sets confirmed?
kevin
Anthony, I am moving to a 2366cc with the 103mm Nikkies and using the stock 2.0l crank. Should be a rev er as I am too cheap to buy a new crank and rods to set up a 2270.
Geoff
QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Jan 27 2005, 08:41 AM) |
I am moving to a 2366cc with the 103mm Nikkies and using the stock 2.0l crank. Should be a rev er as I am too cheap to buy a new crank and rods to set up a 2270. |
I wouldn't build a 2270 without the Nikkies. I am too scared of the extra heat!
I am not sure on the exact costs of a 2270 but ya gotta buy..(see Jakes new site)
crank-$500
rods-$200
P&Cs CastIron-$650
So say about $1500 for the basic parts, then add the clearancing, fitting, machining etc so another $1000
so $2500 off the top of my head.
The nikkies can run $3000 for the complete setup whatever size you get. Pistons, cylinders, case bolts, head studs etc.
QUOTE |
I have the same feeling, making me ponder signing up for a 2nd set. Of course Jake has an additional 75 sets besides 'our' 50. |
I think I'd be more scared of a 103mm cylinder. Seems huge!
head work. another major factor cost wise, plus finding the right person. i'm trying to target under $3500.
k
Head sealing is the other problem. Even the 96mm cast iron cylinders can leak/move around. Nikkies stop all that so the 103's work fine. Longer stroke is gud too.
Head work is a must even for a 2056!
Plus the cam ($200) and lifters which for ceramics add $400
My budget is $4k and aim for 150+ hp not including the new EFI.
Geoff
A 2270 don't need Nickies!
I have many of them running my cast iron bored German cylinders that run COOLER than a stock 2.0!!
Don't be afraid until you get to a bore larger than 96mm.... Or until you can SUSTAIN an 18HP per cylinder load on the engine.. That means for a long period of time at wide open throttle- Like on the Autobahn...
Nickies are nice- but definately not required for a 2270, less than 5% of the 2270 engines I have built have received Nickies!
The 96mm bore is absloutely universal and I can do more with it than any other bore available....
When my plan here is all domne- there won't be any guesswork.. But you must learn to LISTEN and not QUESTION.... Want power, reliability and longevity?? Listen, open the wallet- Done deal.
As for the rods, they will be 350 bucks a set after I meet my initial quota, if the prices stay the same..... I just need enough orders to get them and thats why I'm making them such a great deal.
I'm in for a set.
Well, 3 different people flaked out on me today from the buy.. One of them had wanted 4 sets..
So, I need that many more takers....
Step on up...
Hey Jake, we sit here and BS so this stays at the top! Cant wait until your site is up and running.
Geoff
I will take a set too...
DAMN.....
I'm gonna get in trouble with the wifey but what the hell...she may not know it's inside the case....
Jake, I just eek-mailed you for a set....errr..maybe two
now...about the nickies.....umm.....
Rotten Robby,
send me the email...
Two more on board... One more flaked out..
So we were at 40 sets
Then we lost 3 people, one of them with 4 sets (6 total?)
Then gained 3
Then lost another
40 - 6 + 3 -1 = 36
14 to go?
15 to go... another one flaked out this morning!
looked and saw no mention of the rod interest at the TYPE4rum at stf.
k
Its on my forum there...
I can't post it at the STF on the T4 forum, they gave me my own page for that stuff...
But someone else can
Done and done
http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=83742
There's not a for sale area where you can post it?
well done. if i could remember my password and knew how to add a link i'd go to the bird also. maybe the 10 people that don't visit club and post there don't know about the rods either.
k
Good idea....
Add it now before I'm their competitor!
Jake, I tried a few times to email you at the productdevelopment... web address and could not get through. Im good for a set as I previously posted, plus I felt the need to give it a BUMP.
Tim
Hey, I am planning to get a "kit" from Jake on Feb 1st. A 2270 performer kit. Does this count for 1 set of rods?
No, different rods.
Yep, These rods won't even be available other than this group buy until we get them all here...
Rolling, rolling,rolling.... keeps those doggies rolling....
RAWHIDE
. . .
Buy some rods
Jake,
Please allow me to be stupid for a while.
I have a 78mm crank I inherited. Said it was from or for a 71mm rod????? If your rods would work on this crank and 96mm can's, I’m in.
I just don't know what the () I'm doing on this engine. (preACT/RAT).
Please Advise
Joe
No, these rods are too short for the proper rod ratio when coupled with a 78 stroke crank....
You need RAT 3034 rods for that....
They are already available..
I'm in...... two sets for me please.
QUOTE (Jake Raby @ Jan 19 2005, 12:39 PM) |
Okay guys. I set up this email address to help manage my product development lists better. productdevelopment@aircooledtechnology.com Go ahead and send an email to this account and as the list gets longer and more happens I'll be able to keep you in the queue without taking up forum space.. I really want to make these rods happen and we can do it as long as I sell the 50 sets. |
lost 3 more sales today.
I have to put a stop to this on Friday and no later than.
I lost more sales today than I gained.
Damnit you guys! quit flaking out! I want a set of these rods, but can't pay for ten sets!!!! Get off the fence! Order a set now, or I'll send Miles and MikeZ to your house!!!!!!
Thank you very muchly.
Jake,
How many more set do we have to go to reach 50 ?
I may be able to buy 3 sets to help this order, we'll see how many others can cough up the big $280.00 .........which is pennies compared to a set of Pauter or Carrillo rods. Last time I called Carrillo they wanted around $250.00 for EACH Rod to make a set from scratch.
Come on folks, go turn in the beer cans for your $.05 deposits, look behind those couch cushions & under your drivers seat for some spare change, sell all that crap that's accumulating in your garage on ebay....If you really want to, you can find the $$.
OK, go ahead and empty your child's college fund, trust me the military has an awesome tuition assistance program and it's Free!
Is the Bank Of Dominic giving out .loans??
This is becoming a real bitch.
Looks like I'm gonna have to get some checks coming this way soon and just hold them till I have 50 orders paid for in hand.
That way I can just send the checks back if the purchase doesn't go through because of people flaking out.
Jake, where so I send it? It'll go out today.
Ok, post your address here for us.
Geoff
i found it in the lifter fund thread.
Raby Enterprises Inc.
45 Raby Drive
Cleveland GA 30528
jake,
my mechanic is doing a rebuild for my 75 2.0. could he use these rods in that rebuild? he is going to charge me to recondition the current rods, so what's another $100.
and how does this help my performance?
yes he can use the rods, they fit like a 100% stock part. lighter rods = lower stresses on rod bolts which can fail at higher rpm, less mass for the crank to spin around, etc. All in all a good thing.
when can i have them to my mechanic?
is there a horsepower/torque increase?
These rods don't exist yet. To do so requires people commit $$$ for 50 sets. The monetary commitment hasn't happened yet. So far it is emailing Jake with "I'm in for a set"
There'd be some increase in power, and the motor would wind up/down faster.
The big deal is that stock rods are heavy, and the stock rod bolts are weak(ish?). These rods would have less weight and stronger bolts, resulting in better longevity at high RPM. Or am I just full of
Jake, set up a Paypal account for this. Have people paypal you a payment to hold their set of rods.
I think the check is a better deal for all. If all the paypal money has to be returned, who will be stuck with the fee?
When you refund a paypal payment, the fee gets reversed as long as it's done in 30 days.
Anthony,
Are you going to get a set of Rods or have you decided to build the 2270?
so if we reach our minimum order, what's the ETA?
plus my mechanic gets cranky when i supply the parts, so i need to make sure these will fit my car, with no follow ups.
Don't send any money yet guys..
I have done away with paypal due to book keeping nightmares with them.
We'll work something out in the next couple of days and I'll let you know.
I haven't quite decided yet. I've been looking at jake's new site all day.
Okay guys.... Be expecting an email from the Mad Scientist today and get your check books warmed up. I have to make a final call to the manufacturer and lock the price in, then we'll see how many people actually follow through and send me a check.
what's the eta?
I'll get you an ETA tomorrow!
still waiting for an email.
k
I haven't sent them yet.. Prolly tomorrow after I talk to the "man"...
eta talk had me going for a moment. just waiting for the green light.
k
Dominic it's obviously time to give up and build a 2270 or 2316.
Anthony,
I won't give in ! Maybe I'm just trying to break the record for the most $$$ spent on 2056cc motor. The only thing I'm missing is a set of nickies $$$$ (that would be the icing on the cake) , but I do have the 96mm biral barrels
.
k
hurry up, I have to buy some dog food
Anybody get Jakes email?
No email, been waiting.
I saw a message from him on the STF boards saying that he was extending the deadline another week. I hope we have all of the potential buyers lined up. It looks like they are helping out the cause all the way from Europe as well......Don't you just love the Type 4 global econemy
I made the big call on Friday... Got the prices locked in.. BUT the price didn't include rod bolts (I thought it did)
I have to call ARP tomorrow and get pricesw for those and then I can send out all the emails.
Get the check books ready, because I should be asking for checks this week!
The price will change a bit, but buying this many ARP bolts at a time will help with that... I also plan on stocking up on my other stock upgraded bolts at the same time, that should help even further.
We should have a sample rod in a month, then as long as it measures up okay we'll have the finished product 60 days after that, then I still have to balance them.
All emails are sent!
The instructions are very clear!
I have to receive the payment for all 50 sets by March 1, couple that with my funds and pay the Mfr to get this rolling.
If all 50 are not paid for I will return the undeposited checks and money orders to the customers and the deal will have to wait another 18 months.
Make it happen- My address is in the email!
I didn't receive an e-mail ???
i got mine and asked for the invoice notification. hope it will be via email. don't sit on your hands on this one folks or we'll be hosed. will the slight bump in cost include shipping? it's gonna suck if only 48 people come through.
k
ablose, I sent your email at 0245 this morning...
If 48 people come through I will buy the two extra sets myself..
I went over the shipping in the email. The cost won't be trimmed any further, these rods are being sold at a 5% profit in the buy and thats not counting the fact that I have to pay for them to be shipped all over the country to be finished....
Have you guys sent Jake a check for the New 2.0L rods ???
If he does not get the money soon this deal will be gone.
If you have ever priced a set of Carrillo or Pauter rods for your 914 then you know that this is a steal !
If you ever plan to build a stock 2.0 engine for driving or competition then you should get a set of these rods, we will probably never see a price like this for a set of custom H beam rods that are half the wieght of the stock rod.
It's not too late to send Jake $310.00 for a set of these NEW 2.0L rods....... SEE INFO BELOW:
Please send all funds in the form of check or money order to
Raby Enterprises Inc.
Attn R&D
47 Raby Drive
Cleveland GA 30528
Make checks payable to Raby Enterprises Inc.
Remember that I MUST have all 50 sets of rods sold by March 1
nice save dominic. i sent a check w/o an invoice to keep things moving forward. remember guys, no mail service on monday.
k
I'm surprised there aren't shops (like HPH for example) out there that wouldn't want to buy a few sets of these rods to have on hand for customer rebuilds. If 10 shops bought 3 sets each that would be more than half way to 50 sets.
I have been sending invoices a few per day- I don't have time to do them all at once..
The remainder of them will go out on Monday.
Like I said in the other thread ,I never got an e-mail but cashola is going out tommorrow morning! AL
Hey Jake,
I was on the list for a set of these rods, but I haven't gotten an invoice/e-mail yet. Did you send out all of the invoices?
Thanks,
Don
QUOTE (splashfx @ Feb 22 2005, 02:30 PM) |
Hey Jake, I was on the list for a set of these rods, but I haven't gotten an invoice/e-mail yet. Did you send out all of the invoices? Thanks, Don |
The check is in the mail...
check sent
and to give Dominic a break
Fedex'd a check to Jake.
QUOTE (type11969 @ Feb 24 2005, 06:24 AM) |
check sent and to give Dominic a break |
a "got your check" notice would be nice to get. i would consider that my invoice.
k
On Friday I will send paid invoices to all those that have sent me checks as well as send out the rest of the invoices to those that did not get my first invoice.
This 3 liter has sucked 20 hours a day out of me for two weeks- But it just fired up and now the end is in sight!
read this to get a feeling of the futility. ALL 7 pages, from the beginning, and draw your own conclusions. then go back to the "plug pulling" thread. seacrest- OUT!!
k
QUOTE (rhodyguy @ Mar 3 2005, 10:18 AM) |
read this to get a feeling of the futility. ALL 7 pages, seacrest- OUT!! k |
Jake concluded the rod deal. I'm closing this thread.
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