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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 3 2014, 09:55 PM

My recent visit to the 914 International meet in Italy opened my eyes to some interesting differences in the 914 communities here in the USA vs Europe. I had the great pleasure of meeting and spending a few days with our very own Gustl, Johannes, Peter and many others with the 914-passion and I think that common bond is an aspect of 914 ownership that most of us are interested in. 914s are not just about the cars – its about the people.

Europe is roughly ¼ the size of the USA, and they have multiple local 914-dedicated clubs mostly organized by country – 914 clubs exist in Germany, France, Italy, England, etc. These clubs meet from time to time locally to network, socialize and promote the 914 hobby in their regions (check out their individual websites). Once a year they all get together for a major high quality International 914 event somewhere in Europe. The International meet is always well attended (limited to 100 914s and their owners!), booked/paid a year in advance, and is hosted in a different country (by the local 914 club) each year on a rotating basis. It has official support from Porsche. The European approach is very supportive, and non-competitive in the negative sense.

In the USA, we have no organized, local 914-dedicated clubs. We have no regularly (monthly-quarterly-ish) organized local 914 events. We have no annual USA National 914 event. Europe has nothing like our 914world.com forums…in a literal sense, 914world.com is THE international 914 Forum because we have many international members here. I would like to see if we can increase international participation on the forum in the future.

The USA is much larger geographically than Europe which is a challenge for holding larger national events. PCA, SCCA, and similar groups are good events for some, and not that we want to withdraw from those, but they are not an ultimate 914 venue for most of us. Thanks to the camaraderie on this Forum, we do have a series of what I will characterize as fairly regular, regional, moderate-sized events that are always fun – Red Rocks, WCR, ECR, Okteenerfest, etc. Some locales have sporadic informal 914 breakfasts, drives etc. Only when someone volunteers to host an event does it happen – I think we as 914 Owners could all really benefit with better organization and regional leadership. New 914 owners need a venue to hang out face to face, and long-time owners can share their experiences. A real world, local, in person, ‘914 Garage’ experience is one of the great things about our community.

My idea is that we form local/regional 914World Chapters to generally help better organize us and promote the 914 ownership experience on multiple levels. 914World.com will always be our playhouse. None of us wants a dues paying, card carrying, rules/regulations format and I don’t propose anything like that. The idea is intended only to be a way for 914 owners to connect locally and informally, and perhaps hold a national event in the future. I don’t see the concept as divisive, but rather as unifying us, prospering the 914 experience and being a supportive environment.

What say you?



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Posted by: HalfMoon Jul 3 2014, 10:03 PM

Terrific idea Jeff!
Sign me up
David

Posted by: Mike Bellis Jul 3 2014, 10:32 PM

I'm in. It would be nice to get the local 914's together more often. I know we in the bay area have been doing a breakfast from time to time, but it would be nice to expand on the effort.

I nominate Jeff Bowlsby as National Chapter President.

It does take commitment from members to stay organized. This is not always easy with life getting in the way. I am a member of the local PCA chapter but the demographic is not typical for 914 owners. Although there are many closeted 914 owners in the PCA. They often choose to drive a 911 over their 914.

If this moves forward, we may run into insurance issues on cruises and such. A wavier should be drafted for all drivers and passengers to sign to prevent the club WORLD (Sir Andy) from being liable for any injuries or damage. All drivers should be required to have auto insurance to attend any such event. Most states mandate insurance anyway.

One of the nice things about the WORLD is the un-organized, no one in charge mentality. So the chapter rules should be kept to a minimum. To get maximum participation, we should keep to a no dues focus. If an event is organized, like WCR then a registration fee may be warranted. We are all CSOB's; One of the reasons we drive a 914. But we all have a common interest.

Posted by: JimN73 Jul 3 2014, 10:36 PM

I kinda like it, if the regions could be a subset of 914World. Individual forums like the Garage and Paddock.

A lot of what happens here is open and available without much searching, I'd hate to see it regionalized.

Even as I write, I'm changing my mind. We can all see what is going on in PNWR, the SF Bay Area, SoCal, Ontario, and, and so on that putting these events in Regions may take away from the community.

Posted by: Cuda911 Jul 4 2014, 12:41 AM

I'd be open to a So Cal Teener's group. Any of you in San Diego area?

Posted by: messix Jul 4 2014, 12:47 AM

we kinda have one already

like this http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=49283

Posted by: messix Jul 4 2014, 01:00 AM

but here's the thing..... many many friendships and relationships span regions, states, countries and continents!

splitting a lot of what goes on in the garage and sandbox into region forums might not take so well.

if it's just forming region chapters for get togethers or runs I believe we have informally done so already for the areas that have enough people to warrant it.

if this ends up with appointed/elected leaders in the regions, that could end up being a hair ball too.


this place is great because it is a non-club ... club!

no dues, no popularity contest elections, just guys/gals hanging out and bs'ing a lot and when the need arises we pitch in in so many ways for all kinds of needs.

truly a unique place, non other that I have come across have come close to here.

just my over inflated opinion!

Posted by: DEC Jul 4 2014, 01:50 AM

What Jeff wrote is a good idea.
For example in Germany we have not only the 914 and 914-6 Club
much more we have local/regional groups which are not
organized in these main clubs.

In Lower Saxony I'm the contact for the local group , we have more or less regularly
meetings/breakfasts on a monthly base and normally one or two events
on a yearly base.

We are roundabout 25+ teeners in my area and you need one person which is
willing to manage the local group otherwise it will not work.


Kickoff meeting for 2014

Posted by: euro911 Jul 4 2014, 02:23 AM

There's a fairly good-sized group here in the LAX South Bay and Orange County area. We used to do breakfasts and BBQs a lot more when Joe Sharp was still here ... but he moved to FL

I don't know if we really need to set up any 'chapters' - just post local events in the Garage if you have something brewing ... it seems to have worked pretty good in the past

Posted by: mgp4591 Jul 4 2014, 03:25 AM

Sounds like a communist threat to me... remember, just cuz you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you!

Posted by: Big Len Jul 4 2014, 04:09 AM

Jeff - Have the clubs formed in Europe because of the differences in language?

Posted by: shoguneagle Jul 4 2014, 09:04 AM

The possibility of local/state/regional sections has already been in existence informally for several years. Different members have identified themselves with regions such as Northwest, Northern California, Southern California, Southwest, Midwest, etc.

The somewhat informal existing structure could be formalized and brought into existence very easily with minimum effort and rules. 914world is the common communication point for everyone including a lot to international people. Our organization would have to be defined a little differently from Europe since countries are very close together.

What about Central and South America? What about Asia and China? What about India, Down Under in "AssieLand"? What about the World? All good thoughts and possibilities.

Posted by: r_towle Jul 4 2014, 09:31 AM

New England.

I would be willing to work on this if other New Englanders would like to have a club of sorts.

the NE region of the 356 club does 5-10 events per year....many tech talks in the winter months at local shops, and some fun scenic driving events to a nice spot for lunch.

For New England, we have more than a few great vendors to meet, and we happen to have the Awesome cornerstone vendor of Chris Foley as well.

rich

Posted by: swooshdave Jul 4 2014, 09:40 AM

Organizations tend to only thrive when there are people willing to organize the events. You need at least one instigator. Otherwise they fall apart, quickly.

Posted by: Socalandy Jul 4 2014, 09:51 AM

I'd be up to help get a Socal Chapter going!!! I don't think we need to change the garage but establish the chapter areas and let those area's form and use email for their planning and goings on then post their events here. Maybe a chapter happenings/event page 914 get togethers

My 2 cents

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 4 2014, 12:33 PM

I generally like the idea but i have a few points i'd like to make:


- It takes at least one dedicated individual to run such a chapter. Since there is no payoff, someone has to be willing to spend their free time to do this.
In the past, it has been easier to find people to organize a single event.
Finding someone who is willing to do this on a more regular basis will be harder, especially if there isn't a more formal club like structure.


- Porsche will only officially support you if you are a organized group/club. We've been through this with them before.
The fact that we don't have any structure and dues paying members does not appeal to Porsche.

Posted by: 914_teener Jul 4 2014, 12:34 PM

I was wondering about this myself....my wife and I are thinking about Bavaria next year....we are planning a trip to EU anyway. I was wondering about better organization. I like face to face BS"ing like we have here. I always learn and have fun meeting different folks that share our addiction to these cars.


I think it is a great idea. Since Joe is in Florida and Thomas is back in Germany.....
at least for the NARP crew in So-Cal.

Watching what went on in Europe seems like fun...PCA are just totally different folks. Most of them aren't gear heads like me. Besides...we own NARP's.

Posted by: Andyrew Jul 4 2014, 01:20 PM

I think this is a great idea. Time consuming, but great idea to bring owners together, It seems like the community drifted apart a little while ago and its now starting to get back together. Something like this could be just the kick start to get the community rockin like the old days.

Posted by: orthobiz Jul 4 2014, 01:58 PM

Many of us have put our specific location in our profile. And a region. Perhaps it would be useful to somehow map out 914world members in the United States based upon that information. This way, when I drove through Nebraska on the way back from buying my latest 914, I could have easily looked up 914world members. Having that information would foster friendships and lines of communication and get togethers that are more difficult to navigate right now.

Paul

Posted by: MMW Jul 4 2014, 02:50 PM

Having it informal as it is seems to work fine. If someone wants to run something they post it up & people hop on board. No need to have a specific "club chapter". In my opinion when things get formal then there always seems to be someone who gets in charge that is on a power trip. I see lots of events that y'all have that work out great. One I attend is the annual Hershey trip. Very laid back & cool.

If you look at what the 356 registry does they have a east coast & west coast holiday that seems to always cost a fortune to attend & is very regimented in schedule. I would hate to see the World turn into something like that. There is no oneupmanship here.

What would be the benefit of having it nationally organized with local chapters over what is done now?

Posted by: 76-914 Jul 5 2014, 08:35 AM

+1. I was in the EAA for years and they did the same thing. I don't see how there can be any lasting developments w/o some fee's attached, though. So, a tax exempt status would be next. You'll also need to look at insurance requirements for such gatherings. Before you start in your shoes let me say that EAA dues were < $30 a year. For that we received a nice monthly publication and the benefits of club status not to mention all the great local and national events.

Posted by: al weidman Jul 5 2014, 01:43 PM

OK Rob, how about coming over the hill once a month and doing your bumps and pictures again, I am missing our get togethers. We did have a good thing going and was pretty much what Jeff is talking about. You could still invite the 240z guy and cars with front engine, mid engine and rear engine. Remember you have to be inclusive now a days.

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 5 2014, 03:49 PM

Not sure of the impetus behind the European clubs…we can only guess. Hopefully someone from Europe will speak to that. I can imagine it has a lot to do with the individual country, cultural or regional identity, language and just the convenience of local groups.

The idea of forming local chapters is not to detract from our common identity with 914world…it is to reinforce our unity by just creating a slightly more organized presence on the local level in support of 914world. Like the “un-Cola”, 914world is the “un-Organization” of the 914 ownership experience and I think I am reading that we want this great thing we have to grow and prosper. Growth is important if we are to flourish. Or we can remain static, or eventually allow it to die off. We have to make the choice and that decision reflects our level of commitment.

I am not seeing any need for adding any additional layers of “rules”, “membership fees”, monthly newsletters, membership cards, funky handshakes, club tats or anything like that. No “reporting back to National” or club hazing requirements. No separate local club website. As currently, any costs for events are only one time flow-through costs related to the event. Some of the driving events I have been on have signed waivers, not a big deal.

As has been pointed out, we already have some informal local groups that have been pretty effective in holding local events. Teener Tuesday, all the regional things – WCR, ECR, MUSR, Okteenerfest, Red Rocks…these are all terrific and should/will continue. The personal relationships already established should not change because someone belongs to one chapter and not another. There will be no requirement for requesting a chapter membership change. In fact any visiting emissary from another chapter is a perfect excuse to call an impromptu meeting, if nothing else for the photo-op.

My initial thoughts are that we can first identify regions for chapters, pick a name for the chapter, and then identify a minimum 2-person volunteer co-leadership team for each chapter to share the responsibility. The chapter leaders can generate an annual plan for their chapter to get together, determine and publish dates in advance on 914world.com, and coordinate with venues when needed. That’s about all.

Many of us here have put low-key events together in the past, its easy and does not take too much time to coordinate a breakfast, a pleasure drive to a destination, or a group attendance at an interesting event. Its just that usually no one does it, or when it does happen its at the last minute. We can do a lot better than that with a little effort in preplanning. If we don’t plan anything, nothing will ever get done and we will not grow. The local chapter can determine their own schedule and set their own pace depending on their needs and interests, it just takes someone to lead, and a little organization and forethought to make it a greater experience for one and all. I don’t think it needs any more formality than that. We will all be inspired to see what the other chapter events are about when we see the photos posted.

Several individuals have already stepped forward in this thread supporting the idea of getting better organized, in being leaders, and that is encouraging. I think it will be important to have at least 2 people as co-leaders, to spread the responsibility around and not be a burden on any one person.

I am reading a generally positive interest in moving forward, and the cautious concerns about too much organization are also not only appreciated but respected and mutually shared. What I get from the spirit of the responses in this thread is that we are all generally interested in the same thing.

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 5 2014, 04:31 PM

Posted by: KELTY360 Jul 5 2014, 06:19 PM

I think the idea of two 'leaders' is inspired. It spreads the burden, builds in continuity, promotes brainstorming and eases accountability concerns. I would suggest not even designating them as leaders or some other authoritative title, but calling them Coordinators, or some such thing. As a volunteer, a Coordinator could be 'appointed' by consensus and have the option of opting out of the position also; although if that occurs that person should seek out another member to take their place.

It also avoids the 'decisions by committee' syndrome that becomes unwieldy over time. If this becomes a workable model it would mark the first time I've ever seen an organic body organize itself without formal structure.

Good thinking Jeff!

Posted by: poorsche914 Jul 5 2014, 11:05 PM

To start off regional chapter gatherings, why not piggyback on a local PCA event? That's what is done at Hershey
Select an event, let World members know about it, meet at the event. Maybe plan a before or after gathering as well.

Posted by: Gustl Jul 6 2014, 12:17 AM

Of course, I can only speak for Austria - and maybe a little bit for Germany, but from my best knowlege it's just the same for all over Europe. At this part of the world, we have several clubs for everything. Every smallest village has numerous clubs for sports, cultural things, communal things, religious things, agricultural things and all other hobby related things. I live in a village of 15,000 inhabitants and we have 116 different officially registered clubs only in this village.
It's a historical grown thing, that has to do with mostly social aspects. Persons who share the same hobby organize themself in a club ...
There are several laws in my country, that only deal with this club thing. I don't know all details, but officially registered clubs have to follow some rules, but also have some benefits against other groups that "just" share the same hobby (but are not officially registered). Has something to do with the general public acceptance and furthermore with some financial aspects (officially registered clubs get easier support from the community, for example).

A short summary might say, the club thing is about doing things together (in a kind of organised way) instead of doing it alone ...

Posted by: Rand Jul 6 2014, 12:40 AM

There shouldn't be a leader. Follow the PNW contingent thread. It works as well as anything can. Just start a thread and get people together. It's as simple as that. If there is interest it will work. Having it too organized would have made it a fail. We just put up a post and it didn't take much to hone it down to a meeting for the week. Use the forum as is, nothing special needs to be added. It's people, people. If you know what a forum means, you know you have it right here and now! Hell, I'm ready to have a Joes BBQ right NOW! Oh hell, it's Florida now. His icon needs a pineapple in it now.

Just post it and do it.

Posted by: DEC Jul 6 2014, 04:09 AM

For my area I can say you don't need an organized club with
any fee obligations or other liabilities.
You need only one person with the hat on

We are only a group of persons with the same hobby

This loose group exists since 1986 and we have still fun.
The reason for that is that we handle all things deeply relaxed without
a must.

And only 4 persons of our group are members in one of the German 914 clubs

Posted by: jacksun Jul 6 2014, 06:08 AM

will there be regional soccer teams too?

I believe...............


then we could have a national all star team and go to Europe and play

the 914'ers there.... Porsche would sponsor for sure..........

make a bud light commercial too........oops.... that wont work.... no

bud light and driving connection.............

maybe a soccer pitch surrounded by 14's with their lights popped up,

illuminating the field......

it could lead to a youtube channel with advertisers .... money for parts, yeah!!

Posted by: Dr Evil Jul 6 2014, 08:29 AM

My $.02

The 912 guys already have such a segregation of regions and countries in place on their BBS. I find it makes for a break in communications in that unless a person actively engages each individual forum they will miss out on events. My transmission clinics are a prime example as I notify everyone in a certain region when I will be in the area, and for months after I get people that did not see that post as they do not frequent the forum the next region over. Our format here on world serves well for attracting people from other regions, keeping others up to date on what other members in other places are doing, even if we will not be attending.

I find little strength in segregation that makes more work to keep up with several regions.

When I lived in CA we announced our stuff in a main forum here, Pelican, etc. Joe Sharp would attract people from hours away, that could be in different regional forums due to the distance needing to be traveled. What about further fragmentation of regions? You could easily split San Diego from LA, from Central coast, from SF, from Sacramento, from..... On the East Coast you could do the same with states, or parts of states. In PA we are very divided between NSEW.

My opinion is due to my personal experience in that I was constantly attracted to different regions due to the things posted in the general forum. I only worry that segregation of regions will lead to less inclusion by outsiders. I have met many outsiders that were likewise attracted to an gathering, event, etc from similar postings.

As it stands, I dont like navigating the format of the 912bbs compared to here. There is no way I would be hearing about things in Australia in such a format.

If we can build up regional inclusion and not indirectly and unintentionally foster outsider exclusion, I am for it.

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 6 2014, 08:37 AM

Good points Mike.

I had thought about how to post chapter events...dedicated subforums (here on 914world)...but came to the same conclusion you did. People will miss things if they are buried away somewhere.

The chapter event threads can just be posted in the main garage forum for all to see to avoid the issues you mention, just as things are now. Our event calendar can also be used, but its completely blank at the moment. I guess real 914 owners don't use calendars...

Posted by: Mikey914 Jul 6 2014, 08:46 AM

I think it's a good idea for guys to get together an enjoy the cars. But the fromat we already have is good. If an individual wants to host an "event" it can be done easily in the existing structure.
I had a drive in meet this last year, not a huge turn out, but it was fun.

Posted by: Dr Evil Jul 6 2014, 09:39 AM

I am definitely hosting a get together at my new place once I get it. Central OH with several acres of land, work shop, and neighbors far enough away so as not to be bothered by the bonfire

Posted by: Dr Evil Jul 6 2014, 09:39 AM

Echo

Posted by: Black22 Jul 6 2014, 09:56 AM

Only if we can have regional gang signs and fist fight when we see other groups like...MG and Triumph clubs.

Posted by: scotty b Jul 6 2014, 10:12 AM

If it ain't broke......


We try every year to have get-together's out this way. Sometimes we have a great turn out, sometimes we don't. Having even more specific/individual groups won't make that change. All of the regulars see the event threads and decide whether they can make it or not. As Dr Daffuq said, I am on other forums that do segregate into more localized groups and I see 2 things. The locals either participate in the local forums almost solely, or they don't bother with it and stick with the main forum. I for one hardly ever go on THE HAMB's main page, I only go on the local group However, I almost never check the Early S local forum, but am always on the main board.

Posted by: scotty b Jul 6 2014, 10:14 AM

will the patching in ceremony differ from region to region ?

If a member moves, do they have to re-patch in, or will they automatically be accepted ?

Posted by: blabla914 Jul 6 2014, 12:43 PM

I like the enthusiasm. My opinion is anything that breaks people up by geographical location is a step in wrong direction. The best part of the internet is the ability to gather like minded people together regardless of location.
As for a more formal club structure I think the people who are interested in that go to the PCA. 914's have a much smaller audience and therefore less people too support the necessary overhead that comes with more structure.
To me these forums are great because it allows enthusiasts to steer the activities directly without a bunch of bureaucracy. I get enough of that at work.

Posted by: FrogMut Jul 6 2014, 01:04 PM

Count me in if it is close to Silly Valley

Frogmut in Saratoga, California

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 6 2014, 01:05 PM

Some would argue that it is broken. As far as i can tell all of the usual 914world events have had a noticeable drop in attendance over the last few years.

Posted by: ipadstott Jul 6 2014, 02:08 PM

Just got back from the annual New Brunswick tour, Acadia region, attendance was down due to hurricane Arthur, but the tour was a success. All participants commented on " where are the 914's? " I feel we are accepted by the PCA crowd, but would love to be part of a teener group, New England is closest for me but I would attend some events. I would also organize a 914 event, and agree with the no formal title thing, I will just coo- ordinate an event.

Ian Stott
Moncton
Canada

Posted by: Gustl Jul 6 2014, 02:40 PM

when reading all these posts, I get the impression that some guys think joining some local chapters/groups/clubs (or however you would call it) would leed to any changes on 914world

why ...

the one thing needs no influence to the other thing

I join an oldtimer club in my area that has no online forum ... and it works for more than 15 years; we all have email and phones to get connected when needed

on the other hand I frequently visit 914world - without any "club activity" behind

the one thing is a local group, where everyone knows each other in person

the other thing is an online forum, where I only know a hand full of guys in person

in my opinion, both things enrich my life in any way
there is no "this or that" decision, it's fine together ...

Posted by: euro911 Jul 6 2014, 02:52 PM

I don't think it's broke ... it's just 'it is what it is'. People drift away as other interests or life-changing events happen. For me, home remodel projects have stolen a lot of my quality car time

Several years ago I predicted that escalating fuel prices were going to affect the turnout at a lot of events. A few folks said BS, but as it panned out, it seems to have rung true.

In the So Cal area, The OC guys hit the Cars and Coffees, the San Diego bunch have their Dawn Patrol drives and several guys to the north of me do the GMR drives, but they're posted in the Garage for all to see and anyone can attend if they so desire.

We've had folks from San Diego and Central CA show up for tech days and my lift BBQ near LAX. A lot of the same long distance folks show up at the G&R swap meet too, as well as some from NV and AZ ... some even further away. You never know who's gonna show up. If we regionalize (sp), some folks will never know something might be going on in a neighboring 'region' and miss out on a good event

Posted by: scotty b Jul 6 2014, 03:27 PM

there have also been quite a few long time members that sold their cars in the last year or two. Some have lost jobs and haven't been able to find steady employment, some with health issues. FWIW, I'm not at all against the idea, I just am not certain the low turnout has a lot to do with knowledge of the group. I think it has more to do with life situations.

Posted by: billh1963 Jul 6 2014, 04:33 PM

I think there are several contributing factors:

The economy: the economy in many areas of the country has not fully recovered since the big hit in 2008. With wage stagnation, underemployment, high fuel costs, and inflation a lot of people just don't have the spare cash to put in their cars...let alone attend large gatherings. The Triumph Roadster Factory (a Triumph sports car parts vendor) hosts a regular summer party and has for years. They considered cancelling it this year due to the low number of registrations. This may be the last year they hold the party

Aging members: This is a common problem affecting all cars from the 1970's and earlier. People are interested in the cars of their youth. So, the number of people under the age of 35-40 is small. This trend will not change. While we have some young people on the forum, there aren't many

Value: We all like to see the value of our cars rise. In reality, this can sometimes be a death sentence. As values increase the collectors move in (usually more affluent older people). This reduces the number of good cars on the market and takes them out of circulation. The remaining cars are expensive to fix....which means they either languish or get restored to collector quality (once again minimizing their availability).

Then again, I could be wrong

Posted by: jacksun Jul 6 2014, 04:59 PM

the last post has some good points......

as to the "older' buyers ....... they are older so the cars will be back in

circulation sooner or later.............. later, hopefully, for me; not that

my 14 is a collector car.


one could say that they are the best custodians of the cars.

Posted by: Big Len Jul 6 2014, 06:10 PM

Take a look at the Northeast Get Together Forum Of the last 8 events, I've listed 4 and Ray listed 3 with 4400 views and 14 replies. There's your problem.

Not enough event listing and not enough interested people in listed events. If you've purchased a car to drive or show, then why aren't you doing it?

Posted by: lonewolfe Jul 6 2014, 06:11 PM

I like the idea of local/regional 914 clubs. This is something I've toyed with over the last couple of years. I live in Oakland which is in Northern California of course. I've owned a couple of 914's for about 3 years now. In that time I've only gotten to know a couple of other 914 owners which is disappointing. I thought I'd know 10-15 folks by now but it just never happens. I have attended the monthly informal 911 gatherings at EASY in Emeryville several times and that is a very cohesive group of friendly Porsche enthusiasts. From what I have read on here it seems that NorCal has one of the highest concentrations of 914's in the country yet it is a rarity if I see another 914 on the road and even more rare to actually meet their owners.

I'd be happy to join Jeff or anyone else to help get a casual club/group organized in our area. Just give me the word. I'm all in!

Posted by: wndsnd Jul 6 2014, 07:36 PM

Sure .....

Posted by: r_towle Jul 6 2014, 08:08 PM

So eloquent and pointed.

Posted by: wndsnd Jul 6 2014, 08:19 PM

I am on this stinking Nexus pad.

If I type out a response half the time it deletes before I post, or it posts it 16 times.

Glad to see you made it home safely

Posted by: poorsche914 Jul 6 2014, 08:26 PM

The local PCA region has just under 200 members. At any given event (autocross, day drive, etc) there are only 15-20 cars. At less than a 10% participation rate, you can see it takes a very large membership base for a decent turnout at an event.

Posted by: lonewolfe Jul 6 2014, 09:05 PM

Perhaps, but I'd consider 10-15 cars to be nice turnout for a 914 gathering compared to anything I've seen.

Posted by: poorsche914 Jul 6 2014, 09:13 PM

It just takes a very large base of 914 owners within a certain distance to reach that number. So many of these cars are on jack stands or the owners don't trust them enough to drive a distance or scheduling conflicts come up, etc.

Posted by: Garold Shaffer Jul 6 2014, 09:36 PM

This is why my wife and I host our annual 914 BBQ (shameless plug http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=236721) This will be our 7th year doing it. In years past I organized a monthly 914 breakfast in Orland Square and was part of the Fall Foliage Classics.

While I hope we would have 100+ cars and people attend (need a big place for that) it is ok if only 1 person shows, but usually we have 15 - 20 cars and about 40 people throughout the day.

For years Glenn Stazak and I have talked about how we could get a real Porsche only swap meet going in the Chicago area like the old Tweeks or Doc & Cy's.

While I think local chapters are great, I really think all that is needed is for someone, anyone in your area to say hey..... Who is up for XXX on the XX day and then follow-up and do it. Hence our yearly 914 BBQ.

If someone wants to step up and be the official Chicago area chapter leader I am willing to help support them, but until then you can count on our yearly 914 BBQ.

Posted by: Cuda911 Jul 7 2014, 12:56 AM

We have about 3,000 members in our local PCA. Today I went to a Padres vs Giants baseball game the local PCA sponsored... only about 15 attended. So, you may be right. Still, I'd be interested in any local 914 clubs or events.

Posted by: Steve Jul 7 2014, 09:04 AM

I agree with all of the above. I think the way it is fine. Just advertise more events in the Garage in hopes of getting people more together. My car has been apart the last two years, so I haven't participated in any local driving events. I attend the three major So Cal events which is the biannual G&R and the Phoenix Club car show and swap meet. As soon as my car is running, I will start announcing when I will be at Irvine Cars & Coffee in hopes of other 914's showing up and maybe get breakfast afterwards.

Posted by: MoveQik Jul 7 2014, 09:08 AM

I would agree. 10 cars at an event really sucks. I know past WCC and Red Rocks events have had 30 cars. Those days appear to be gone for the moment. I know there are 914's in AZ but there are only 3 or 4 of us that make events on a regular basis.

We tried a Yahoo group for AZ for a while but it went nowhere. I am pretty sure any regional group would result in 3 guys meeting each month.

Posted by: McMark Jul 7 2014, 09:56 AM

But I also agree with Bowlsby.

One thing I feel like has contributed to the decline in attendance is a general increase in the level of restoration. There are so many nice cars that some people feel intimidated about bringing their 'crappy' 914 to an event. There are also more FULL restorations going on than people driving and maintaining their cars. Personally I would love to see more people in cars that run and drive, but aren't pristine at these events. I keep brining my POS hoping to inspire people.

Posted by: rmital Jul 7 2014, 10:47 AM

I could support the above "fact"
I've sponsored many Northeast events or get-togethers.
back in the day, we had members that had tons of energy, and supported those events.....Aaron (I-love-porsche) Pete Travnic and of course Richie (NYchef)

we'd spend weekends wrenching away, helping with each other's 914s.
They sold their cars....got married....moved on...just not the same.

I keep trying to build up the tri-State contingency, just not that easy these day.

just a sample of threads of the old days...never a dull moment:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=54155&hl=

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=62428&hl=

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=64628&hl=

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=72622&hl=

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=73219&hl=

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=73103&hl=

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=77730&hl=

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=79067&hl=

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=110190&hl=

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=131091&hl=

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=130893&hl=

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=191006&hl=

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=201749&hl=

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=201665&hl=

unfortunately a huge drop off of interest from the first thread to the last....
it was like herding cats after a while

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 7 2014, 11:06 AM

Posted by: bandjoey Jul 7 2014, 11:19 AM

Economy and distance is a problem. 2008 put me out of work and I now work 6 days to provide a 4 day income of past years. Then the distance. With a several day drive to attend - well it's too far. And then the leadership. Only a handful of people organized MUSR and they burned out.

I'd love to do a Sunday drive but that's AX day in Texas.

I'd vote for more local 1 day events but at this time as a participant not an organizer.

Posted by: Manny Alban Jul 7 2014, 01:30 PM

So here's my two cents from a long time 914 owner, president of PCA and pretty much a lurker on 914world......

We all know PCA is the largest Porsche club in the world-by leaps and bounds. It is also one of three Porsche clubs in North America recognized by Porsche (the other two are POC and the 356 Registry).

PCA has had a 914 Register in the past. I would love to see it revived again. It would not replace 914world but rather provide resources to host 914 related events under the PCA banner AND insurance. Yes, there are rules, guidelines, etc. You need these to get decent insurance. We want not only our organizers to be protected if something goes wrong but entrants, regardless if they are members or not.

Because the factory recognizes PCA as an official club, they allow us to use their crest, script and images. Something that is worth quite a lot, especially since Porsche has two lawyers in the US that are in charge of copyright violations.

We also have the financial and volunteer resources to help with event planning and promotion. As an outsider put it to me recently "I have to spend thousands marketing my item, you just have to send an email to 117K members".

I know some folks say that PCA doesn't care about 914s. Personally, I think that was in the past-if it ever existed. I joined PCA with a rusted and barely running 73 1.7. The members could have cared less what I drove. It wasn't the car that determined whether you were accepted, it was your personality. I became President of the region with that same car.

Now when I bring my 914 2.0 to events, it always draws a crowd. Some curious, other appreciative of its survivor status. However, it is as rare to see 914 as it is seeing 944's.

While I'm a car guy, I love hanging out with fellow Porsche nuts. Driving the 914 is great. Driving it in a caravan of Porsches is even better. Having more than one 914 in the group is icing on the car.

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 7 2014, 01:41 PM

Thanks for chiming in here.

Posted by: ChrisNPDrider Jul 7 2014, 01:54 PM

Great idea for raising the bar on future events. Having the chapter/club status that could lend the factory to join as a partner, or at least approve official logos ETC, could go a long way towards attracting other sponsors. Good events can break-even or come out ahead on $$$ with raffles and auctions of goodies donated and then distributed to paying attendees. As someone who has planned and hosted public events for non-profits, I can definitely see the value of forming a formal 914World Chapter with dues, insurance, swag etc.

Doing it under the PCA umbrella seems like a great idea to me

I'll just add that I attended WCR in 2006 but since then have been under-employed and not able to prioritize "car club" events like I want to due to competing needs for my $$, time, etc. My 914 now has lots of commuting duties! I live vicariously through all of you via 914World

If new Chapters don't start, oh well. We've got a great thing going now!

Posted by: scotty b Jul 7 2014, 03:29 PM

How aboot creating a space at the top of the main page and sticky-ing the events there until they have passed, in addition to highliting them. That way it is always in readers faces instead of getting lost on page 2,3,4, if on one bumps it

Posted by: McMark Jul 7 2014, 04:25 PM

That's how we used to do it. Then we started having 5-10 topics stuck at the top of the page regardless of whether they were in your area or not.

Posted by: wndsnd Jul 7 2014, 04:57 PM

I recently joined the PCA and did a run with with North Country Region in the White Mountains last month.

I had a great time, the driving was fun, the people and conversations great, and overall it was a great experience. We all signed the PCA waivers that are standard at events.

James Smith was there with his 914-6 so there were two of us. To be honest, there weren't that many air cooled cars there period, but we all had a great time. I would encourage any one of us to join.

However, the PCA crowd is a very formal group in my opinion, and that can be a turn off to our DIY, drive the pants off, run them till they break and call the tow truck kind of guys.

PCA recently proposed a revision to their Bylaws, and they sent out a 14 page document of fine print..

Not that there is anything wrong with the PCA, but it's services and needs are different than ours.

I think we all want to see more of our cars and see them driven and appreciated. Tying in to the PCA doesn't make sense to me. The informality of this group is what makes it so easy to drop in and visit or stay and put your feet up for a while. No hassles, no expectations, and all the advice you need or don't.

I like Scotty's idea, but wouldn't ask the administrators to do more than they already do.

John

Posted by: poorsche914 Jul 7 2014, 05:43 PM

As recipient of the Jack Stand Award at last year's Okteenerfest, 100% with this.

When viewing photos from events throughout the past couple years, I have noticed most of the 914s are (or at least appear to be) very nice Where are the daily drivers? The works-in-progress? I have often wondered if some members are discouraged from attending events because their 914 isn't as nice as they think all the others are!

every day

Posted by: Porschef Jul 7 2014, 06:18 PM

Ray, I read thru some of those threads and it did seem like interest waned over the years. But part of the problem may be that there are a number of owners who do not belong to a forum such as this and therefore aren't aware of events. How might those owners be informed? What if certain owners have no interest in organized events?

I met a guy over the weekend local to me who brought his car to Tangerine and doesnt belong to any forum but is interested in attending Chris' open house ( whenever that is ) and a coworker spotted a white one in the Westbury area also this past weekend. I have no idea who that might be.

You'd think that as the number of cars diminishes that the owners would seek out some sort of camaraderie for support/assistance/whatever as i don't think 914's are viewed as a typical used car these days. But what do I know. I've been guilty of not doing my best to attend events, hopefully that will change as I've become 92% or so confident in travelling with the car. So much so, that I'm actually contemplating Okteenerfestivus...

How bout you?

Posted by: Mike Bellis Jul 7 2014, 06:34 PM

Manny,

I would love to see this revived as well and would be an active member supporting it. I joined the PCA in 2006 when I had a 911. I'm now on my third 914 and the 911 is gone. I participate in my local PCA events as I have time and I was the only 914 registered for the 2013 Escape. I was fortunate to win the Magnus Walker award at the event.

This site is the best resource for 914's in the world (pun intended) and it would be great to incorporate at least a link from a PCA 914 register to this site. I think there is a stigma among 914 owners that the "911 crowd" looks down on 914's. Although I have experienced this in the PCA, it is a small minority. Most of the events are very, extremely 914 friendly. I was amazed at Escape how many PCA memebers came up to me to tell me about the 914 either in their garage or the one they used to own.

I feel the premise of this thread is to figure out how we as the 914 World can get more involved and supported like the PCA or the clubs in Europe. It would be great if the PCA could dedicate more resources to the lonely 914...

Posted by: Porschef Jul 7 2014, 06:58 PM

I think there is a stigma among 914 owners that the "911 crowd" looks down on 914's.

Mike, in response to that, allow me to offer an amusing anecdote...

The weekend before last I was up at a family reunion up in Mass.; I drove the teener. My brother in law was there with his recently acquired 9whatever (I'm clueless with the newer ones) after selling his 930 (what a car!). A couple of family friends said they wanted to check out their "dream Porsche" or something to that effect. He kind of smiled somewhat smugly, but his jaw dropped when they walked over to the orange car...

It's just that they've become so rare on the road. I think a lot of newer Porsche owners may have no idea what these are. Nevermind the typical driver. What was once thought of as funkugly is now looked on as pretty unique. No, nothing looks like these. Not even that dang Italian car

So there.

Posted by: poorsche914 Jul 7 2014, 07:26 PM

How about the long-time 911 guys who are suddenly taking notice of the 914 and (gasp) selling their tail-dragger to purchase a 914

I have been answering a lot of questions posed by a local 911 owner who once was very active in track events and autocross and is now searching high and low for the perfect 914 for both street and track.

He drove my 914 and even in its "daily driver project" status, he loved the car.

Posted by: lonewolfe Jul 7 2014, 07:27 PM

I don't think it's a stigma that 911 owners look down their noses at 914's. It's a fact! Now that the our cars are starting to increase in value there's a new found interest in our 914's. The 356 crowd are the worst of the look down on 914's crowd. Of course, most of those folks are crochetty old farts now with more $$$ than they know what to do with. So, they started buying up early 911's and drove their value into the stratosphere. If these old farts live long enough they'll do the same thing with 914's.

Posted by: Manny Alban Jul 7 2014, 07:37 PM

I entered my 914 in a local concours. I was the only 914. They weren't quite sure where to park me. A 356 guy walked up and said "put him with us, we're all 4 cylinder air cooled". that's when I knew the 914 had arrived:)

Honestly, as a longtime 911 owner, we don't look down at any owner. Now if the guy is a jerk, then yes, they'll probably say they were ignored. You could own a 918 Spyder. If you're a jerk, I'm walking away.

Posted by: BuddyV Jul 7 2014, 08:07 PM

I am part of a few groups of various things in the North Bay Area..... here is a thought from my experiences:

1. My biking group is the least formal, most successful, and the closest to what I envision a 914 local group to look like.

2. The key to the bike club is that we have one thing that we all bought into, the jerseys. In our case it's easy... the car.

3. The only other thing we do is have a set date every month (in advance..... 3 or 4 months set in advance, at least) for rides. This way, people (members) can plan in advance to "save the date".

4. They rides are short - 2-3 hours tops. Start early, home in time to spend "quality" time with the family.

5. In our case, we could plan to meet somewhere, chat a while, take a a drive on a pre-determined route, optional lunch after - leave if you must.

No pressure to show up..... and you have to make the best of it if even 2 people show.

Works for a bike club, without the need for Presidents and Dues.

Hope it can happen..... I would participate.

Sorry for the long-winded post.

Posted by: MMW Jul 7 2014, 08:24 PM

Lonewolfe wrote "The 356 crowd are the worst of the look down on 914's crowd. Of course, most of those folks are crochetty old farts now with more $$$ than they know what to do with."

I guess I am the exception to this?

Posted by: ablesnead Jul 7 2014, 08:25 PM

I am only interested in the performance aspect of 914's..an older car that with quality mods that can be a giant killer on track days... not always with a porsche powerplant...I would really like to hang with Miguel and Shane at Sebring on track day...working toward that end...but country side drives and stop and eats hold little appeal for me ... so this site is as close as it gets...the PCA..... was member and instructor for a long time has little interest in our hybrid cars

Posted by: RRietman Jul 7 2014, 09:02 PM

Well; I've owned a 356 for many years and have participated in the clubs (all of them ). I think I can say , with some experience, that the 356 guys have pretty much abandoned PCA, for many good reasons. not the least of which is that most PCA members wouldn't know a 356 from a karmann ghia. go to a PCA event and you will see what I am talking about. this same mindset applies to PCA/914's (maybe even more so). PCA is not a good venue for us.
That said, it is true that a lot of 356 guys are buying 914's now, seeing the potential there.
we'll see
Randy
74 1.8
65 C coupe

Posted by: wndsnd Jul 7 2014, 09:30 PM

Well, I can be counted as a previous 356 guy. The dirty truth is that the 914 is a much better car in every way. You can spend your 100 plus grand on a Speedster or Cab and how does it drive? It is certainly Porsche but nowhere near a 914 so let's try to keep it to ourselves!

It used to be the 356 guys were us. Guys just working on simple cars that yield maximum enjoyment.
Then the restorations began and the over restorations and trailer queens. Prices skyrocketed and now they sit in garages with wine sippers staring at them.

Hey I would buy one in a heartbeat, but to me they are still a $4500 coupe and $15,000 cab. I enjoy my 914 much more than any 356 I have owned.

Sorry for rant. Back to thread topic.


John

Posted by: Vacca Rabite Jul 7 2014, 09:42 PM

I do not like the idea of local chapters.
Most locals pretty much know who their neighbors are. I am lucky to have several around me, and we manage to get together a few times a year.

Folks tend to read mostly one or two forums. If we split things into the local areas, we will become too fractured.

Besides, we already have an events forum. I don't know of anyone who actually uses it, but we do have one. If you want your event to be seen, post it up in the garage. Ask one of us mods to color it for you. As your event gets closer, find a reason to bump the thread daily. Put adds for your local event in your footer.

Planning an event is a lot of work, and the guys who plan tend to burn out after a few years (I know I did). If we want events to thrive, we have to step up and make it happen. Splitting the forums won't help events. Stepping up and volunteering to help plan an event does.

Zach

Posted by: JimN73 Jul 7 2014, 09:58 PM

Want a get together.

The SF Bay Area group has had some success with breakfasts at various restaurants. The last was Alice's Restaurant on the Peninsula. 12 - 14 of us showed up on a rainy cold morning. A group of us met in Hayward and caravanned to the restaurant. Over an hour trip for most of us.

The thing is, someone has to decide it's time and has to commit to setting it up (not that hard).

Pick a date, pick a restaurant with adequate parking. You may have to arrange with the restaurant to have tables ready at a certain time. We met at 9:14, stood around in the parking lot and BSed until 10, then went to breakfast. I set a couple up in San Ramon and someone from the restaurant staff came to get us when the tables were ready.

If someone doesn't like your choice, they better be prepared to offer an alternative.

Try it, it works.

Posted by: scotty b Jul 8 2014, 05:54 AM

You guys that think the PCA looks down on 914's should drive a 924 to a PCA event to put things into perspective .

Posted by: blitZ Jul 8 2014, 06:20 AM

I don't believe this topic has anything to do with the forums, just forming local clubs.

Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop Jul 8 2014, 06:29 AM

You're welcome to hang trackside anytime.
Here's the most teeners I seen in one place. Miguel, Joe and myself.



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Posted by: Vacca Rabite Jul 8 2014, 07:14 AM

And so the point would be... what exactly?
How would "just forming local clubs" be any different from the way things are now?

The 914world MidA region has events 3x a year, and sometimes 5 or 6.

We don't have these events because we have a "local chapter." We have them because kick ass people like Rod, Jim, Matt and Scott who step up to plan and run them.

If you want to have a local 914world chapter club thingy - but don't want to have special forums and don't want to have special whatever, what exactly do think you are going to get, and how would it be any different form what we already have?

Zach

Posted by: dcheek Jul 8 2014, 09:24 AM

I've been calling on all 914 owners for 10 years now to come to the ALL AIR COOLED GATHERING in September. Maybe if enough attend we could start a chapter in New Jersey????

Last year we had 19 Porsches attend out of 300 air cooled cars total. A 914 won best in class, beating out 356's and 911's.

I would love to have so many 914's show up that I would have to make a separate class. This is our 10th year for putting on the show- let's make it a banner year for 914 participation.

The show is listed in the Event section of 914 World. Or you can go to the website to get all the information:

http://www.allaircooledgathering.com

Dave

Posted by: Vacca Rabite Jul 8 2014, 10:31 AM

Make a thread in the garage and ask me to highlight it for you. Talk t up in the garage not the events section if you want people to see it.

Zach

Posted by: RobW Jul 8 2014, 10:33 AM

I have some experience with PCA at different levels and non-PCA Porsche clubs. The key ingredient is the people. If you have common people with similar interests, it mostly works. If you have inconsistent people you don't really have much in common with, you split.

Sorry to the socialists, but money is a factor... Concours people will likely prefer concours people. Racers / racers. Ricers / ricers. You can try and do it all but my experience is that people eventually split up.

The Euro experience intriguing though. You have to recognize like it or not that our cars are becoming collector pieces and while I used to race, used to build, used to club with PCA, all I really want to do is hang out with 914 people who love these cars. I love seeing the art people create. I love seeing people I like. I love learning about our cars. We are becoming old guys and will either ride this hobby into the sunset or will do nothing.

That said, I'm willing to be a part of the effort in N Cal because I know there are many many great people in N Cal and I like most of them.

I would suggest a small group with a small footprint and a small focus. Get the right core set. Do everything later. Have a bunch of small groups.

Cheers!

Posted by: ConeDodger Jul 8 2014, 10:52 AM

So my Sacramento Porsche Family Reunion events weren't local, regular, or organized?

Posted by: ConeDodger Jul 8 2014, 10:56 AM

Ok Al! I'll get something together! Especially if you'll come!

Posted by: rgolia Jul 8 2014, 12:51 PM

I plan on showing up this year Dave.(unless daughter give birth to first grandkid)...look forward to meeting the NJ 914 folks

Posted by: 914_teener Jul 8 2014, 01:06 PM

I like this comment. I think where Jeff was going and was reflecting on was the cultural aspect in Europe. Culturally it is a different place than here.

I think the question might be is that it would be fun to have an event/drive and have a hundred teeners show up like in Italy.

I think the notion and question was that if having regional organization would help that happen on this side of the pond. It was meant as a discussion.

Posted by: rmital Jul 8 2014, 01:30 PM

...this is one of the best shows in the area. Great venue (although they added some speed bumps, very bad for our cars and the 356 I drove in with).

Posted by: JmuRiz Jul 8 2014, 03:00 PM

Yep, local 356 guys here are in the POG (Potomac Owners Group).
That 356 crew is all about all air cooled rust-prone cars (early 911s and 914s) and to be honest a lot of them drive cars from 928s, boxsters, and newer 911s too. Maybe I'm just lucky to have found some good 914 and 356 guys in the area.

Posted by: Big Len Jul 8 2014, 04:16 PM

I'll be showing up too Dave. Leaving Wildwood early Sunday. You guys put on a great show....nice venue, friendly people, reasonable food and drink prices, and some seriously nice air cooled.

Posted by: 3d914 Jul 8 2014, 08:48 PM

Paul makes a good point here. To prevent breaking up the World with regional areas, why not add a property to each users profile that indicates their chosen region of activity. This property could then be used by regional coordinators to identify and communicate thru World to their specific group when needed.

Sounds like a good direction to go to improve opportunities for gatherings

Posted by: euro911 Jul 8 2014, 10:04 PM

Some folks don't enter a location or a region when they fill out their profile, but both of those identifiers are already available for other members to see (if utilized). I don't know if Andy has it set up to allow sorting though

Posted by: RRietman Jul 8 2014, 11:33 PM

I see a few replies to this topic referring to the recent euro meet, and, why can't we be like that? well, I wonder how many here really understand how different the euro's see 914's than we do. here, it wasn't that long ago that 914's were a teenagers $400 rat rod. that's a hard vision to overcome. that was never the case in Europe and they have gone way beyond that with interest and values. google 914 values in Europe and you will see why they have no problem drawing from an (apparently) affluent owners group for these long distance events. It will happen here as well, the comparison to the 356 scene now is very apt.
I would compare 914 world to the early days of the 356 registry (with a little higher tech)
don't overthink this or overorganize. it will evolve on it's own.
Randy

Posted by: ConeDodger Jul 9 2014, 07:58 AM

Yours is high-tech from the inside out. Calling it a POS is not entirely true...

I had three plus years of monthly Sacramento Porsche Family Reunion events. My cars are more prepared than ever for events now. The problem is nobody has events on Tuesday or Wednesday and these are my days off of late. I work too much!

Posted by: cary Jul 9 2014, 08:21 AM

Here's a thought. I've been a part of a group of Pelican 911 guys that meet at Portland Brewing the second Thursday of every month. Around 5pm.
Have a brew pub happy hour meal and BS about cars for a couple hours. Then move to the parking lot and talk for another hour sometimes.
Pretty simple. Most time 6-9 people. I think the biggest turnout was about 20.
It's been kept simple. Same place, same time.

I haven't been going much lately. Thursday is one of my days off. It's a long way downtown from my shop in Forest Grove.

I'd be up for a Portland Group if it was on a Wednesday night.

Posted by: RobW Jul 9 2014, 08:24 AM

A good club generally includes planning, or a defined stance of non planning, common interests, and women. As 914ers, we can all still appreciate a rolling WIP.

Posted by: Marty Yeoman Jul 9 2014, 05:24 PM

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=40059&hl=members++map

Howard started this map years ago.

Can't seem to get it to work any more.

Maybe there's a more current solution. Andy??

Posted by: SirAndy Jul 9 2014, 05:46 PM

Frappr has long been out of business and unfortunately Howard took the login to it with him to the grave.
We weren't able to extract the info that was on that map after he died.


If we do an interactive map, we'll have to start from scratch ...

Posted by: Marty Yeoman Jul 9 2014, 06:05 PM

I thought the Internet lasted forever.

Posted by: euro911 Jul 9 2014, 06:42 PM

I remember adding my location, but rarely ever went there

I found an article that was posted back in 2009 offering a continuance for one year, bit that option's long gone now. http://platial.typepad.com/news/2009/12/important-notice-about-frappr.html

Are there any new alternative sites offering a similar solution? I'll join up again

I remember that Greg Robbins kept an active 'wrench' list too. I think Michael Wills attempted to contact him a year or so ago - without much luck IIRC

Posted by: Tman914 Jul 9 2014, 06:46 PM

Let me know Im in
Nor-Cal

Posted by: Joe Sharp Jul 10 2014, 02:10 AM

Yeah, I put on a few gatherings. My first was the first Tranny Clinic. James (Red Beard) had moved to Tx and it was rumored that the Good Doctor was going to be moving to the left cost. So
T H O M A S, Linda (/L.) and myself thought it would be a good idea to try to get us (the 914 Club) to gather and meet and greet. All of the gatherings that we did back then had a reason except one, and Howard called it the "No Actual Reason Party." Like a notable member would be in the LA area or a member bought a car here and was planning to drive it home. We would gather and go over the car to make sure it made it to it's new home. 2 cars got driven to the Left cost. All of the cars made it to their new homes.
I believe that Howard started off claiming that he was from some imaginary region and put it in his signature. And before you knew it like minded people were claiming to be form a region that their close friends were from.
In 2003 I drove down to San Diego to go to a diner that was put on because Dave Darling was in town. I met more people from S.D. about 14 than came to all of the gatherings at Team NARP Headquarters. It seems to me that S.D. is in So Cal but not part of L. A. It was hard to get the guys in L.A. to come to Orange County. It was hard to get me to go more than 50 miles to go to a car event, yet I have been to a Pancake Breakfast over 200 miles away. I would still like to go to a Taco Tuesday. So I guess I just don't understand what calls everybody to the events.
At the peak of the gatherings at the Team H.Q. we could announce an event on Wednesday for the next weekend and have 30 people show up. I would get some complaints about the short notice but people were paying attention, and we got good results.
So I think it is evident that I don't have the faintest idea how to get you all to gather. All that being said I did it right here on this board. It worked, please don't fix it. This is the only place we have to get the word out.

Posted by: dcheek Jul 10 2014, 05:03 AM

Good News!

Last night I talked to the President of our club, the Central Jersey VW Society and he said if I can guarantee at least six (6) 914's show up at the All Air Cooled Gathering in September, he will split the class from the remainder of Porsches. I believe we have at least 3 said they plan to attend on this thread.

For more information on the All Air Cooled Gathering, go to the Events Section of 914 World or visit

www.allaircooledgathering.com

Dave

Posted by: MMW Jul 10 2014, 05:34 AM

That is good news! Now the other P-cars will have a chance at a first place lunch box in their own class. Five 914s showed last year so getting six should be easy.

Last years winner.

Posted by: Big Len Jul 10 2014, 07:06 AM

And who beat all those beautiful Speedsters, 356's, 911's, and other 914's including a 6? Who is that wonderful owner, pray tell? Tell us Mic, please.

Posted by: MMW Jul 10 2014, 07:59 AM

Well it's Big Len of course.

Posted by: Big Len Jul 10 2014, 08:11 AM

What a handsome rascal.

car shows are fun, but driving is better. I'd rather go on a cruise or have a wrenching session than anything else. id head to the LE meet if I wasn't going away the week before. When Racer Chris has his meet next year, I'll be there because that was terrific.

Posted by: Jackgerard Jul 11 2014, 01:25 AM

Anyone in the Los Angeles area come to super car sunday in woodland hills this weekend obviously on Sunday, there will be at least two 914's there and after we can drive mulholland!!!

Email me if you need more info jckrbt92@yahoo.com

Posted by: dcheek Jul 11 2014, 06:59 AM

How about organizing a 914 Cruise to the All Air Cooled Gathering?

Dave

Posted by: Big Len Jul 11 2014, 07:24 AM

I would but I'm coming in from Wildwood and I'm not sure what time I'll be there. But while I'm there, I will get contact info and plan a fall cruise day.

Posted by: dcheek Jul 11 2014, 08:03 AM

Or even see if there is enough interest in organizing a "Chapter" 914 Club/Group.

Dave

Posted by: Eric_Shea Jul 11 2014, 08:40 AM

Put me down for either the Mountain West or the Registry Chair.

I think both are great ideas.

Attendance at events are attributed to BTDT syndrome and the call of the venue. Manny can speak to this but I'll throw out a guesstimate that Monterey was probably one of the most successful Parades in terms of attendance in a long time if not ever. There's a lure. It close for the largest Porsche population in the world. It's "California" for the rest. It's beautiful roads and Big Sur.

Organization is key to keeping the participants happy. I led 5 tours and helped in the organization of the PoP photo and track event. Detlev von Platen stated, on our Bug Sur tour, "...this is better than the Germans." (Which I'm fairly certain was a fire-able offense). He went on to say "...you say you are going to leave at 9:00am and you leave at 9:00am. You say you are going to arrive at 11:00 and we arrive at 11:00". It is amazing." People are watching and expecting. Showing up and hanging out in the parking lot with a beer in hand is great and I've met some of the people I consider my best friends in the world this way but!!!, it's the icing on the cake to a well organized event and a great venue.

PCA has a tremendous amount of experience organizing these things. Some here have done a monumental job at organizing these things (Eric Lowe comes to mind with his Fruita RRC and the Okteenerfest crew out East). Forming regions herein and heading out for lunch or a weekend is a great idea.

We have a section in our avatars to help organize this already. Events could be planned and members notified with "one e-mail" as Manny states.

Giddy-Up.

Posted by: puffinator Jul 11 2014, 09:23 AM

I just posted an event announcement for the Chesapeake Challenge on Sept 19-20. This is an annual event, the 45th, for the Chesapeake Region of PCA which also happens to be the PCA president's home region. I happen to be the technical committee co-chair of the region, have a 914, and can guarantee that all 914s will be welcome. There will be a car show in the morning, lunch, then a gimmick rally, a tech quiz and dinner with Vic Elford in attendance.

Rob

Posted by: swooshdave Jul 11 2014, 04:54 PM

Simple, just start it up.

Posted by: poorsche914 Jul 11 2014, 05:28 PM

Calling all greater Knoxville area 914 owners.... this Sunday is Harper's Cars & Coffee 8am - 11am. These gatherings are HUGE with over 500 cars showing up

Anyway, was contacted by the owner of a Renegade Hybrids V8 conversion mated to Boxster 6-speed and other modifications who was wondering if any other 914 owners would like to meet up at the C&C.

PM me if you will be there

Posted by: euro911 Jul 12 2014, 12:23 AM

A lot of us used to attend this event when it was hosted by the Village Coffee Roaster in the shopping center just south of the 101 at Mulholland. Other store owners started complaining and we were eventually kicked out

I think VCR moved to another location on Ventura Blvd.