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Posted by: deputydog95 Jul 22 2014, 07:57 PM
What would you guys pay for a 74 LE Bumbebee. Fully documented, restored, 65k miles, with a COA?
Posted by: HalfMoon Jul 22 2014, 08:58 PM
QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Jul 22 2014, 09:57 PM) 
What would you guys pay for a 74 LE Bumbebee. Fully documented, restored, 65k miles, with a COA?
What options if any?
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 22 2014, 09:07 PM
It depends on condition. Do you have a particular VIN in mind?
Posted by: bdstone914 Jul 22 2014, 09:25 PM
QUOTE(HalfMoon @ Jul 22 2014, 07:58 PM)
QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Jul 22 2014, 09:57 PM)
What would you guys pay for a 74 LE Bumbebee. Fully documented, restored, 65k miles, with a COA?
What options if any?
LE cars were fully optioned.
Quality of restoration affects value. I have heard some selling in the 20k range. I think Jeff keeps track of high end 914 sales on his website.
Posted by: Cuda911 Jul 22 2014, 09:39 PM
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LE cars were fully optioned. Quality of restoration affects value. I have heard some selling in the 20k range.
Correct. But, if truly only 65k original miles and a very high quality restoration, I would think easily in the mid 20s. Maybe more to the right buyer.
As cool as the Bumblebees are from the rarity factor, I would still prefer the "standard" versions (with appearance group) in bright colors over the Bumblebee.
Posted by: HalfMoon Jul 22 2014, 10:02 PM
QUOTE(bdstone914 @ Jul 22 2014, 11:25 PM)
QUOTE(HalfMoon @ Jul 22 2014, 07:58 PM)
QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Jul 22 2014, 09:57 PM)
What would you guys pay for a 74 LE Bumbebee. Fully documented, restored, 65k miles, with a COA?
What options if any?
LE cars were fully optioned.
Quality of restoration affects value. I have heard some selling in the 20k range. I think Jeff keeps track of high end 914 sales on his website.
Hmmm. I was given to understand that was not true.
Factory options such as defrost rear window, headlight washer system, intermitent wipers, a variety of sound systems and dealer options like elctric antenae, air conditioning....
That was what I was asking about.
Posted by: Cuda911 Jul 22 2014, 10:12 PM
Bdstone is referring to factory options, with respect to "fully optioned". When it gets to what the dealers put on, no limits there. All sorts of odd stuff available.
Posted by: HalfMoon Jul 22 2014, 10:54 PM
QUOTE(Cuda911 @ Jul 23 2014, 12:12 AM)
Bdstone is referring to factory options, with respect to "fully optioned". When it gets to what the dealers put on, no limits there. All sorts of odd stuff available.
Sorry, have to disagree.
See Registry https://bowlsby.net/914/CanAm/914LEAuthentication.htm
Many options were NOT included and had to be ordered as a factory option and some options were "dealer" options provided by the dealer only and not included.
While it's true many options that were NOT standard to the standard 914's were in fact included in the LE's (sway bars for example), it's incorrect to say that all LE's were fully optioned (which is to say every option available was included).
Scroll down to the center of the registry page and you'll see a chart.
Btw, Jeff?
Do I recall a page that listed in detail the options available from the factory and the dealer?
I'm soon to be sending off for my COA and that would be valuable information in helping mother porsche make an accurate COA.
TY
Posted by: KELTY360 Jul 22 2014, 11:02 PM
QUOTE(HalfMoon @ Jul 22 2014, 08:54 PM)
QUOTE(Cuda911 @ Jul 23 2014, 12:12 AM)
Bdstone is referring to factory options, with respect to "fully optioned". When it gets to what the dealers put on, no limits there. All sorts of odd stuff available.
Sorry, have to disagree.
See Registry https://bowlsby.net/914/CanAm/ (odd-I can't cut and paste the exact link on the registry page. Click on 914 LE Authenticity & Value
Many options were NOT included and had to be ordered as a factory option and some options were "dealer" options provided by the dealer only and not included.
While it's true many options that were NOT standard to the standard 914's were in fact included in the LE's (sway bars for example), it's incorrect to say that all LE's were fully optioned (which is to say every option available was included).
Scroll down to the center of the registry page and you'll see a chart.
Btw, Jeff?
Do I recall a page that listed in detail the options available from the factory and the dealer?
I'm soon to be sending off for my COA and that would be valuable information in helping mother porsche make an accurate COA.
TY
While technically correct, the options you're talking about would have very little effect on the value of an LE.
Posted by: HalfMoon Jul 22 2014, 11:05 PM
QUOTE(KELTY360 @ Jul 23 2014, 01:02 AM)
QUOTE(HalfMoon @ Jul 22 2014, 08:54 PM)
QUOTE(Cuda911 @ Jul 23 2014, 12:12 AM)
Bdstone is referring to factory options, with respect to "fully optioned". When it gets to what the dealers put on, no limits there. All sorts of odd stuff available.
Sorry, have to disagree.
See Registry https://bowlsby.net/914/CanAm/ (odd-I can't cut and paste the exact link on the registry page. Click on 914 LE Authenticity & Value
Many options were NOT included and had to be ordered as a factory option and some options were "dealer" options provided by the dealer only and not included.
While it's true many options that were NOT standard to the standard 914's were in fact included in the LE's (sway bars for example), it's incorrect to say that all LE's were fully optioned (which is to say every option available was included).
Scroll down to the center of the registry page and you'll see a chart.
Btw, Jeff?
Do I recall a page that listed in detail the options available from the factory and the dealer?
I'm soon to be sending off for my COA and that would be valuable information in helping mother porsche make an accurate COA.
TY
While technically correct, the options you're talking about would have very little effect on the value of an LE.
One of the options is M220 Sperr differential (80 percent) for $726
I dare say finding one with that option would certainly effect it's value.
Addedum-and as I recall they were not dealer included with AC. No doubt that would effect valuation.
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 22 2014, 11:21 PM
There is some misunderstanding going on here.
The 914LE cars came with factory optional equipment M-778, which included most but not all factory options available in 1974 - sway bars, center console foglights etc. Other factory optional equipment was available but not provided on all LE cars, unless they were ordered that way from the factory. Things like the rear window defroster, intermittent wiper relay...I know of 914LE cars that have these options, like any 914 but these were not part of the LE (Can Am) equipment package.
Dealer options were all over the place depending on what a dealer could persuade you to impulse buy - A/C, nerf bars, mudlfaps, radios, ski racks etc. but most of the factory items would also have been available for purchase separately through dealership parts departments. So if'n you wanted that LSD or Bilsteins you could have them, but they were not part of the Can Am equipment package.
Check my Classic site for the Factory "Optional Equipment" list and the "Accessories" page for dealer and period aftermarket accessories.
Posted by: HalfMoon Jul 23 2014, 12:19 AM
QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Jul 23 2014, 01:21 AM)
There is some misunderstanding going on here.
The 914LE cars came with factory optional equipment M-778, which included most but not all factory options available in 1974 - sway bars, center console foglights etc. Other factory optional equipment was available but not provided on all LE cars, unless they were ordered that way from the factory. Things like the rear window defroster, intermittent wiper relay...I know of 914LE cars that have these options, like any 914 but these were not part of the LE (Can Am) equipment package.
Dealer options were all over the place depending on what a dealer could persuade you to impulse buy - A/C, nerf bars, mudlfaps, radios, ski racks etc. but most of the factory items would also have been available for purchase separately through dealership parts departments. So if'n you wanted that LSD or Bilsteins you could have them, but they were not part of the Can Am equipment package.
Check my Classic site for the Factory "Optional Equipment" list and the "Accessories" page for dealer and period aftermarket accessories.
Interesting. Does that mean LE's that were ordered with factory options would have those options on the COA and ones that had options added by the dealer (either factory or dealer options) would not have the information on the COA? Alternatively, if you could prove to Ma Porsche that you have the correct factory or dealer options would they include it on the COA?
I guess I'm trying to get a handle on what to expect and what to plan for....
Opps, sorry for the
Addedum-btw, have you EVER seen one with the Sperr?
Posted by: Cuda911 Jul 23 2014, 12:25 AM
Great info, Jeff... thanks!
And, good questions too, HalfMoon. Sounds like one could easily end up having options on a new car that wouldn't appear on the COA.
Deputydog, I assume you are referring to this car, for sale on Samba, $24k?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1628538
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Posted by: carr914 Jul 23 2014, 05:23 AM
QUOTE(HalfMoon @ Jul 23 2014, 02:19 AM)
Alternatively, if you could prove to Ma Porsche that you have the correct factory or dealer options would they include it on the COA?
No, PCNA will not change a CoA! I've tried twice - once on a 1974 Carrera RS that was not even listed as a Carrera, it was so easy because of the specific VIN, but no. Second on a 1970 that they listed the Incorrect Interior, I sent them all the Proof, but again they refused
Posted by: deputydog95 Jul 23 2014, 05:58 AM
QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Jul 22 2014, 11:07 PM)
It depends on condition. Do you have a particular VIN in mind?
4742915280
QUOTE(bdstone914 @ Jul 22 2014, 11:25 PM)
QUOTE(HalfMoon @ Jul 22 2014, 07:58 PM)
QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Jul 22 2014, 09:57 PM)
What would you guys pay for a 74 LE Bumbebee. Fully documented, restored, 65k miles, with a COA?
What options if any?
LE cars were fully optioned.
Quality of restoration affects value. I have heard some selling in the 20k range. I think Jeff keeps track of high end 914 sales on his website.
What site? I'm not familiar with it.
QUOTE(Cuda911 @ Jul 22 2014, 11:39 PM)
QUOTE
LE cars were fully optioned. Quality of restoration affects value. I have heard some selling in the 20k range.
Correct. But, if truly only 65k original miles and a very high quality restoration, I would think easily in the mid 20s. Maybe more to the right buyer.
As cool as the Bumblebees are from the rarity factor, I would still prefer the "standard" versions (with appearance group) in bright colors over the Bumblebee.
Agreed. Looking for something collectible though.
QUOTE(Cuda911 @ Jul 23 2014, 02:25 AM)
Great info, Jeff... thanks!
And, good questions too, HalfMoon. Sounds like one could easily end up having options on a new car that wouldn't appear on the COA.
Deputydog, I assume you are referring to this car, for sale on Samba, $24k?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1628538
Yes, this is the car. I actually prefer the creamsicle version, but I like this too.
So, is this a fair price? I've seen prices on LE's all over place. It's hard for me to judge.
Posted by: ripper911 Jul 23 2014, 06:02 AM
I need a bumblebee. 
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 23 2014, 09:03 AM
Oh, John Forbes' car. He has several 914 LE's and this one looks excellent from the photos. 914LE's broke through the mid-$20K range a couple years ago, several known transactions for the best quality cars in that range over the past few years.
Posted by: deputydog95 Jul 23 2014, 12:02 PM
QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Jul 23 2014, 11:03 AM)
Oh, John Forbes' car. He has several 914 LE's and this one looks excellent from the photos. 914LE's broke through the mid-$20K range a couple years ago, several known transactions for the best quality cars in that range over the past few years.
So, do we like this car?
Is John a solid seller?
What do we think of the price on this?
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jul 23 2014, 01:29 PM
QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Jul 23 2014, 11:02 AM)
QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Jul 23 2014, 11:03 AM)
Oh, John Forbes' car. He has several 914 LE's and this one looks excellent from the photos. 914LE's broke through the mid-$20K range a couple years ago, several known transactions for the best quality cars in that range over the past few years.
So, do we like this car?
Is John a solid seller?
What do we think of the price on this?
I Like what I see, but I have not seen this specific car. John has lots of 914 experience, you should go see this car yourself and make a determination. I can tell you that high quality 914 LE's are difficult to find. Most LE's are driver quality or project cars.
Posted by: Dave_Darling Jul 23 2014, 06:21 PM
Deputy, you're way overthinking this.
Find a good 914, not the "best one out there". Drive it, fiddle with it, learn to live with it.
Sell it later, or not, if you like. If you don't trash it, it will likely be worth at least what you paid for it. And in the meantime, you've gotten to drive a fun little two-seater go-kart on the street.
--DD
Posted by: dlkawashima Jul 23 2014, 07:29 PM
Classified ad here:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=234268&hl=
Posted by: deputydog95 Jul 23 2014, 08:52 PM
QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Jul 23 2014, 08:21 PM)
Deputy, you're way overthinking this.
Find a good 914, not the "best one out there". Drive it, fiddle with it, learn to live with it.
Sell it later, or not, if you like. If you don't trash it, it will likely be worth at least what you paid for it. And in the meantime, you've gotten to drive a fun little two-seater go-kart on the street.
--DD
I may put a deposit on this one if it checks out.
Unfortunately I can't find a middle ground on these cars...
I know I want a 73-74, 2 liter. For both performance and resale. And from what I've seen so far, they're either total POS rusty project cars, or if they're even remotely decent the sellers want inflated prices.
If I could find a "decent", "good enough" one with a clear title that is mechanically sound... I'd buy it tomorrow. However, I'm seeing cars that are no where near original, with issues, for $18k and up.
I do appreciate all the advice and tips from everyone on here. This is a great community!
Posted by: rdauenhauer Jul 24 2014, 06:50 AM
IMHO mid 20's for a restored & documented LE IS NOT an an inflated price. 
but I may be biased. 
Posted by: deputydog95 Jul 24 2014, 08:55 AM
QUOTE(rdauenhauer @ Jul 24 2014, 08:50 AM)
IMHO mid 20's for a restored & documented LE IS NOT an an inflated price.
but I may be biased.
Agreed. Hence the reason I'll probably buy it
However, there are so many other ones out there with rust, carbs, and unmatching numbers that people are asking 18k and up.
Posted by: PanelBilly Jul 24 2014, 11:51 AM
If this car is correctly prepared, then the price is right and you should buy it. Keep it original. Don't screw it up with anything non stock and it will hold its value.
Posted by: PanelBilly Jul 24 2014, 11:57 AM
My wife just asked me if I wanted to buy this car. Make your decision quickly. I jump on deals I want!
Posted by: tumamilhem Jul 24 2014, 01:28 PM
My LE is in great condition, save two small tears in the driver seat. I've spent a lot of time and money working out a lot of kinks. I just got it back from the shop yesterday - 10 months and $5,000 later...but worth it. I have it insured for $40K, just sayin'. 
Christmas 2012: 
Today, 24 July 2014:
Posted by: Johny Blackstain Jul 24 2014, 05:05 PM
Think I have mine insured for $48-50k. It is a 1 owner car.
Posted by: HalfMoon Jul 24 2014, 05:24 PM
QUOTE(Johny Blackstain @ Jul 24 2014, 07:05 PM)
Think I have mine insured for $48-50k. It is a 1 owner car.
I'm not carrying any insurance on mine (but one day I sure will).
It awaits full roto restoration hopefully to start this winter. I saved it just days before it was destined for the crusher.
Features it came with:
Air conditioning
Intermitent
Power antenae
Heated rear window
Posted by: halmil Jul 24 2014, 05:58 PM
Funny how buyers always think prices are inflated.
Until it is their turn to sell!
Posted by: deputydog95 Jul 24 2014, 08:10 PM
QUOTE(PanelBilly @ Jul 24 2014, 01:57 PM)
My wife just asked me if I wanted to buy this car. Make your decision quickly. I jump on deals I want!
I'm ready to buy. Seller is slow. We've emailed and spoken. Just waiting to solidify things.
Posted by: deputydog95 Jul 24 2014, 08:12 PM
QUOTE(Johny Blackstain @ Jul 24 2014, 07:05 PM)
Think I have mine insured for $48-50k. It is a 1 owner car.
You could insure it for $100k if you're willing to pay the premiums. Doesn't mean it would ever sell for that price.
Posted by: deputydog95 Jul 24 2014, 08:15 PM
QUOTE(halmil @ Jul 24 2014, 07:58 PM)
Funny how buyers always think prices are inflated.
Until it is their turn to sell!
Again, you can ask anything you want. But a car is only worth what a buyer is willing to pay. I've bought and sold a lot of cars. Price it reasonably and it will sell.
Posted by: Johny Blackstain Jul 24 2014, 10:49 PM
QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Jul 24 2014, 10:12 PM)
You could insure it for $100k if you're willing to pay the premiums. Doesn't mean it would ever sell for that price.
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