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Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 30 2014, 08:17 AM
Hi everyone- Scotty and I were talking and I want to keep the heat functioning in my Six when the 3.2 goes in. I found these heat exchangers:
http://www.haywardandscott.com/914-6-performance-manifold-with-heat-exchangers.html
They build to suit, so I am thinking I can get them to accommodate the 3.2 without much trouble. I have sent them a message but not heard back yet. Is anyone here running these or seen them in person?
Comments welcome.
Thanks, Michael
Posted by: Mark Henry Aug 30 2014, 08:24 AM
I heard they are nice...but very spendy.
Posted by: mepstein Aug 30 2014, 09:46 AM
I think Johnny blackstain has an uninstalled set. Bought a couple years ago. I called the company last year and they were responsive to my question and seemed to know what they were talking about. They are at the top of my list for heat exchangers for my 6. They do have welds in the heater box but I expect to die from other causes first.
Posted by: Dave_Darling Aug 30 2014, 06:24 PM
As long as they're not the Billy Boat ones. (B&B) The fit on those is somewhat problematic.
--DD
Posted by: horizontally-opposed Aug 30 2014, 09:55 PM
The great, great pity—if true—is that SSI did ALL of the work to produce 914-6 heat exchangers just as nice as their 911 and 914-4 heat exchangers, but never produced them for two reasons:
1. The owner of SSI didn't think there was a big enough market for them.
2. He couldn't quite get one side to be true equal length. I am told the discrepancy is so negligible as to be no performance detriment.
The owner has since sold SSI to Dansk or some overseas company, but I hear that he got to keep all of the 914-6 tooling and specs he prepared. I wonder if there wouldn't be a way to get a group buy going to convince him to make them? There are a lot of us who really want a good solution, and nothing beats SSIs when it comes to heat exchangers.
Thoughts?
Posted by: billh1963 Aug 31 2014, 05:36 AM
The great, great pity—if true—is that SSI did ALL of the work to produce 914-6 heat exchangers just as nice as their 911 and 914-4 heat exchangers, but never produced them for two reasons:
1. The owner of SSI didn't think there was a big enough market for them.
2. He couldn't quite get one side to be true equal length. I am told the discrepancy is so negligible as to be no performance detriment.
The owner has since sold SSI to Dansk or some overseas company, but I hear that he got to keep all of the 914-6 tooling and specs he prepared. I wonder if there wouldn't be a way to get a group buy going to convince him to make them? There are a lot of us who really want a good solution, and nothing beats SSIs when it comes to heat exchangers.
Thoughts?
That's an intriguing idea!
Posted by: rudedude Aug 31 2014, 07:31 AM
i'd be in for a set if it happened. The ssi's on my 911 are beautiful.
Posted by: JmuRiz Aug 31 2014, 07:38 AM
I'd be in for a set!
Posted by: PanelBilly Aug 31 2014, 10:22 AM
Does anybody here has a way to connect with him. Maybe he wants to sell off the tooling.
Posted by: rgalla9146 Aug 31 2014, 10:59 AM
Roll call ! Who's in ?
I'm in.
Posted by: ben*james Aug 31 2014, 11:07 AM
Very interested!
Posted by: bigkensteele Aug 31 2014, 12:19 PM
Also in.
Posted by: scotty b Aug 31 2014, 12:23 PM
Sure there is a lot of interest, but who many of the interested are ready to drop 2500.00 + to have them made ? I'd say there is a good chance Dansk would make them, but if it were my business I'd want orders pre paid before I started production on such a limited run. So who's ready to drop the dough and possibly wait half a year + to get their return ? 
Posted by: rick 918-S Aug 31 2014, 01:23 PM
$ 2500.00 is a tough nut. I would want more details. (real price for a group buy, delivery, shipping,etc) But wouldn't it be nice to have a new set of SSI's instead of patching up some old rusty nasty OEM set?
Posted by: scotty b Aug 31 2014, 01:46 PM
I threw out 2500.00 as a set for 911's run around 2000.00 I'm guessing a bit more due to the small audience, and the extra expense in materials ( longer tubing ) Plus we are now talking about shipping form Denmark to U.S. which 'taint gonna be cheap. 
I'll try and contact them this week to see IF they have any intent or interest in producing them, and if they do, what would the price be for "X " number of guaranteed sales. I would however like to see at least 10 people in for it, before contacting. It would probably help the cause to be able to say I have X amount of people truly interested. this is why I would say to plan on 2-2500.00. I guess I'll start a poll 
Posted by: rgalla9146 Aug 31 2014, 04:05 PM
I'd be concerned that Dansk would produce a product as fine as the 911 HE's. Also, that they will look very close to originals.
There are probably as many 914 6 's on the road now in the US as there ever were, but many are conversions and are strictly toys for performance. Heat ? no thanks... most would opt for an oil cooler. And need larger pipes.
I want this very badly based on the quality of the original 911 SSI's.
Do I need them on my good weather car ? No, I have some very good originals. They'll probably outlast me.
Maybe I'm over thinking this.
If they are made I'll have to choose between keeping good originals or selling them to buy stainless that will outlast us and our cars.
I'm in up to $2500. And please! at least one larger ID choice for our bigger engine cars.
Posted by: mepstein Aug 31 2014, 04:42 PM
Sure there is a lot of interest, but who many of the interested are ready to drop 2500.00 + to have them made ? I'd say there is a good chance Dansk would make them, but if it were my business I'd want orders pre paid before I started production on such a limited run. So who's ready to drop the dough and possibly wait half a year + to get their return ?
I would be in. I'm not holding my breath but I would have the money ready to go If they committed to a run.
Posted by: sbsix Sep 1 2014, 05:46 PM
Based on $2,500 and close to OE in looks & function, I'd go for a set.
Posted by: Dave_Darling Sep 1 2014, 06:26 PM
Don't hold your breath... Let's just say that certain people have a history of promising a lot with no intention of delivering.
--DD
Posted by: ConeDodger Sep 1 2014, 07:18 PM
Don't hold your breath... Let's just say that certain people have a history of promising a lot with no intention of delivering.
--DD
John will talk to you... All day in fact, as long as you don't like the same people (person) he doesn't like. I assume DD and I are talking about the same bit of history...
Mark Whitesell was talking to him about the tooling, maybe just 4 cylinder but I hooked him up with contact information.
Posted by: mepstein Sep 1 2014, 07:22 PM
Don't hold your breath... Let's just say that certain people have a history of promising a lot with no intention of delivering.
--DD
John will talk to you... All day in fact, as long as you don't like the same people (person) he doesn't like. I assume DD and I are talking about the same bit of history...
Mark Whitesell was talking to him about the tooling, maybe just 4 cylinder but I hooked him up with contact information.
Former club owner?
Posted by: horizontally-opposed Sep 11 2014, 06:30 PM
Sorry, been gone...but I understand that the 914-6 tooling/SSIs were not part of the deal to Dansk. Whether John can be convinced to follow through—or sell the tooling to someone who would—is indeed the issue. And yes, he is a very talkative guy. But I'd still take his setup, which is apparently thiiiiiiiiis close to turn-key, over ANY of the other offerings, and that includes NOS factory heat exchangers. Last set I had a line on had the friend's discount...of $4000. Heated seats looked better to me. So did freezing.
I wonder how many sets sold it would take to move the needle on this. I'd put a $200 deposit down tomorrow if I had a sense the job would actually get done. Full $2000-2500 with nothing to show for it? No way...
pete
Posted by: ConeDodger Sep 11 2014, 06:50 PM
Sorry, been gone...but I understand that the 914-6 tooling/SSIs were not part of the deal to Dansk. Whether John can be convinced to follow through—or sell the tooling to someone who would—is indeed the issue. And yes, he is a very talkative guy. But I'd still take his setup, which is apparently thiiiiiiiiis close to turn-key, over ANY of the other offerings, and that includes NOS factory heat exchangers. Last set I had a line on had the friend's discount...of $4000. Heated seats looked better to me. So did freezing.
I wonder how many sets sold it would take to move the needle on this. I'd put a $200 deposit down tomorrow if I had a sense the job would actually get done. Full $2000-2500 with nothing to show for it? No way...
pete
Pete,
I should call Mark Whitesell to see if he was able to get hold of John. He seems the obvious person to take something like this to production unless MSDS wants to do it.
My contact information might be stale. Do you have current numbers Pete?
I love my MSDS headers on my 3.2 6 but having heat again???
Posted by: horizontally-opposed Sep 12 2014, 09:52 AM
You know...
I wonder if Marty at MSDS could find a way to pry that tooling loose from John? 
Marty knows how to get stuff done, has standing in the community, and certainly knows a bit about the market for parts for these cars. I was told that the SSI 914-6 exchangers are production ready but one or both sides missed being true equal-length by some tiny—and essentially irrelevant—amount, and that annoyed John no end. I could care less...I'd rather have heat than that last bit of power. Right now, it looks like the British stuff is the best way to go—at least to me, anyway—but I don't like the welds, and I'd rather buy SSI quality, made in America.
Posted by: Cairo94507 Sep 12 2014, 10:27 PM
I too would prefer to keep my $ here in the USA, I really want some excellent SS heat exchangers for my car.
Posted by: Mark Henry Sep 13 2014, 05:44 PM
You know...
I wonder if Marty at MSDS could find a way to pry that tooling loose from John?
Marty knows how to get stuff done, has standing in the community, and certainly knows a bit about the market for parts for these cars. I was told that the SSI 914-6 exchangers are production ready but one or both sides missed being true equal-length by some tiny—and essentially irrelevant—amount, and that annoyed John no end. I could care less...I'd rather have heat than that last bit of power. Right now, it looks like the British stuff is the best way to go—at least to me, anyway—but I don't like the welds, and I'd rather buy SSI quality, made in America.
I'm pretty sure (but I could be wrong) that Marty has stated that he wasn't interested.
Posted by: mepstein Sep 13 2014, 07:09 PM
You know...
I wonder if Marty at MSDS could find a way to pry that tooling loose from John?
Marty knows how to get stuff done, has standing in the community, and certainly knows a bit about the market for parts for these cars. I was told that the SSI 914-6 exchangers are production ready but one or both sides missed being true equal-length by some tiny—and essentially irrelevant—amount, and that annoyed John no end. I could care less...I'd rather have heat than that last bit of power. Right now, it looks like the British stuff is the best way to go—at least to me, anyway—but I don't like the welds, and I'd rather buy SSI quality, made in America.
I'm pretty sure (but I could be wrong) that Marty has stated that he wasn't interested.
He told me (nicely) he would not make heat exchangers.
Posted by: SixerJ Sep 14 2014, 12:33 AM
Haywood and Scott have been building SS exhausts for as long as I can remember, know their stuff and build some nice systems
That said I have SSI fitted to my 911 that are still superb 15 years later & more than happy with the quality
As a Brit I know I should support home grown engineering firms, but if SSI's were available I would buy them any day over H&S
Plus you have exchange rate, shipping and import duty to consider with H&S. I come over fairly frequently to the US and have to admit to putting parts in my luggage including a set of GT callipers I bought off Mark to avoid such nonsense with customs 
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