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Posted by: Marv's3.6six Jan 27 2005, 12:08 AM
Just bought (4) chromed 16X7 fuchs....want tires for street use but also want the best AX tires that are DOT.
Gonna run, 205 X 45 X16
Don't care to much about wear...want sticky. 
All these are from Tire Rack:
Pirellei PZero Nerog-Force
BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KDW-2
Bridgestone Potenza RE750SP
Dunlop Sport FM901
KUMHO ECSTA (x' ta) Supra 712
Yokohama AVS ES100 radial
Yokohama Parada Spec-2
Kumho ECSTA ASX
Pirelli P Zero Nero M+S
What U all think?
O pin yons pull ease
Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 27 2005, 12:10 AM
marv- have you seen my falkens?
go with the falken azenis. theyre as close to slick as you get... (they say 100 treadwear, but its more like 40)
Posted by: Marv's3.6six Jan 27 2005, 12:12 AM
Falken A......... Aaron you posted quick!! Where to get Falkens? 
Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 27 2005, 12:13 AM
| QUOTE (Marv's3.2six @ Jan 26 2005, 11:12 PM) |
| Falken A......... Aaron you posted quick!! Where to get Falkens? :blink: |
i may have a hookup on them.....
but americas tire co.....
also... id advise a 50 series. i have 50's on a 15 and its great for AX, but it puts the revs up there on the freeway..
hmm..45 may be okay in a 16
Posted by: Marv's3.6six Jan 27 2005, 12:17 AM
I'm thinkin I need 45's the tech data sez the section width is 8.1" most 50's are about 1/4" wider. I got no room!!!!!
I loves the super low profile anyway. 
Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 27 2005, 12:18 AM
marv man....
they only come in a 55 series for a 205 on a 16" rim.
they come in a 215 45 16 though
Posted by: SirAndy Jan 27 2005, 12:19 AM
| QUOTE (Marv's3.2six @ Jan 26 2005, 10:08 PM) |
| What U all think? O pin yons pull ease |
falken azenis ....
Andy
Posted by: nebreitling Jan 27 2005, 12:23 AM
by all reports, the falken's are great -- probably unbeatable for the price and a balance between street and AX.
if you really want to be competitive at AX, you might consider another set of wheels wrapped in kumho victoracers ($$, sticky) or hoosier's ($$$$$ stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicky). this is totally unecessary, though, if you're just getting started at AX.
Posted by: Marv's3.6six Jan 27 2005, 12:26 AM
Did a check of comparable 215X45 tires, and most are tooooo wiiiide at 8.4"
Think I'll stick with 205's don't want no rubbage!
Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 27 2005, 12:31 AM
| QUOTE (Marv's3.2six @ Jan 26 2005, 11:26 PM) |
| Did a check of comparable 215X45 tires, and most are tooooo wiiiide at 8.4" Think I'll stick with 205's don't want no rubbage! |
more neg camber
Posted by: VegasRacer Jan 27 2005, 12:38 AM
I have not yet had a chance to try 'em out at an auto-x, but the new set of Toyo T1-S I recently got seem really nice. They even come in the 205-45-16 size you are looking for.
Here is the http://frisbyracetire.com/t1s2004.htm for the width information.
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Posted by: nebreitling Jan 27 2005, 12:54 AM
damn john, i'm not one to admire a man's tires, but that is some sexy looking rubber 
Posted by: skline Jan 27 2005, 12:56 AM
| QUOTE (nebreitling @ Jan 26 2005, 10:54 PM) |
| damn john, i'm not one to admire a man's tires, but that is some sexy looking rubber |
You prevert!!
I like the falkens myself, They look really good on the car.
Posted by: Marv's3.6six Jan 27 2005, 06:23 AM
Here is a Falken 205X45X16 ZIEX ZE-512
http://www.hptire.net/index.cfm?fuseaction=showProduct&pID=43&catID=9
Anyone driving on this tire?
Posted by: Joe Ricard Jan 27 2005, 06:33 AM
Azenis are nowhere near a tread wear of 40.. They are admired by the STS crowd for being the stickiest street tire available. The side walls are very stiff but not as stiff as my Kumho R comounds. When Azenis are put on a heavier car for example Honda Prelude they can be worthless in 2 runs unless allowed to cool off. I would imagine if you drive the car hard your results will be similar. I have heard they are OK in the rain but you got to be careful.
Posted by: DuckRyder Jan 27 2005, 07:04 AM
I'm a little confused about what you want, as none of the tires you listed seem to be "competition" tires, which is what you want if you really want the stickyest without concern for wear.
Hoosiers is what you run if you want to win around here...
Posted by: drgchapman Jan 27 2005, 08:25 AM
Hoosiers..............check out which tire won most of the a/x classes at nationals.
I screwed up 
and bought the track version ® designation, but was top time in the 2.0 class my last a/x last year. The (A) designation is stickier yet and going on my car this year.
I rest my case.
Gary
Posted by: seanery Jan 27 2005, 09:10 AM
| QUOTE (Marv's3.2six @ Jan 27 2005, 07:23 AM) |
| Here is a Falken 205X45X16 ZIEX ZE-512 http://www.hptire.net/index.cfm?fuseaction=showProduct&pID=43&catID=9 Anyone driving on this tire? |
Marv,
this one is rated M+S (Mud & Snow). I doubt you'll like the performance for autocross.
Another option is Yokohoma A032R. They cost more than the Falken Azenis, but are a bit stickier I believe.
Posted by: Demick Jan 27 2005, 09:26 AM
| QUOTE (Marv's3.2six @ Jan 27 2005, 04:23 AM) |
| Here is a Falken 205X45X16 ZIEX ZE-512 http://www.hptire.net/index.cfm?fuseaction=showProduct&pID=43&catID=9 Anyone driving on this tire? |
I have these on my Saturn. Very impressed as a passenger car tire, but wouldn't put it on a 914.
Posted by: Marv's3.6six Jan 27 2005, 10:03 AM
Ok M+S means mud and snow....did not know that.
I would like DOT legal tires but as sticky as they come. Not just for AX.
Thanx 
Posted by: anthony Jan 27 2005, 10:04 AM
For AX, another consideration is what class you want to run in. Local PCA rules in my area state that you need a DOT approved tire with a wear rating of 100 or higher to stay in stock class. R-compound tires or slicks put you in a higher class.
Posted by: ! Jan 27 2005, 10:10 AM
I just picked up the G-Force for Manfred....problem with REALLY sticky tires and driving them on the road to the track is that you get a LOT of punctures...ask me how I know....
Posted by: Britain Smith Jan 27 2005, 12:07 PM
Just out of curiosity, did you get those 16x7's off ebay recently? The reason I ask is because there was a set that I really wanted located in the bay area, but I missed.
-Britain
Posted by: Marv's3.6six Jan 27 2005, 12:30 PM
Well the car is not stock by any means, the PO raced it in 99 & 2000 was the winner in class HI both years PCASD. I have a set of early 6X15 fuchs and some 205 Hoosiers, which is why I want DOT but sticky for the 16's.............
Posted by: ! Jan 27 2005, 12:54 PM
Bought 15x7 Cookie Cutters....
Posted by: Sammy Jan 27 2005, 01:42 PM
In order to be DOT legal (2 years ago when I checked)
tires have to have a minimum treadwear rating of 50 and 3/32" tread depth, maybe 5/32" caint remember.
Anywho, that is zackly what victoracers come with. Barely legal.
Hoosiers are very good, but my favorite is the victoracer.
don't run em in rain tho, they don't like that.
Posted by: J P Stein Jan 27 2005, 02:14 PM
******HI-JACK WARNING*************
Just a short one 
I gots some W/T for sale:
A3SO4 Hoosiers......225 X45 X 15, bout half gone on 7 X 15 Cookies, 4 ea. $450. ....even got a pic.
Marv:
With a 3.2L, you need tiars like these in the worst way...
but with stock fenders, there's no way these will fit....unless you're into the jackem'up 4X4 look.
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Posted by: Sammy Jan 27 2005, 02:52 PM
How much fer the magnavox?
Posted by: J P Stein Jan 27 2005, 02:56 PM
| QUOTE (Sammy @ Jan 27 2005, 12:52 PM) |
| How much fer the magnavox? |
For 450 you get the box & tires.
Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 27 2005, 02:58 PM
how much flaring to fit 225's??? 
Posted by: J P Stein Jan 27 2005, 03:01 PM
Heh....bout like this.
The pic makes me sigh. Last summer at an SCCA AX.
I was first out. Laid down a good first run and took the stuffing out of all them effin' STIthingies.....got better too.
The guy that took the pic beat me, tho 
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Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 27 2005, 03:02 PM
thats about what i figger'd ....
you still have your old fender chunks?
Posted by: J P Stein Jan 27 2005, 03:08 PM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Jan 27 2005, 01:02 PM) |
| thats about what i figger'd .... you still have your old fender chunks? |
Yeah, but I've been hacking on one. Drivers side is good tho.
Posted by: VegasRacer Jan 27 2005, 03:20 PM
| QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Jan 27 2005, 12:58 PM) |
| how much flaring to fit 225's??? |
No flare necessary. Just trim the inside lip of the fender and a couple of passes with a base ball bat and you can cram some 225-50-15's under there.
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Posted by: J P Stein Jan 27 2005, 03:30 PM
See, no problem and cheep, too.
Posted by: trekkor Jan 27 2005, 03:47 PM
Just to clear this up, the Falken's, which are great, have a claimed treadwear of 200 are no where near the stick of my Yokohama A032's.
The Yok's are amazing and are extremly responsive.
Pricey at over $800 for a set. Treadwear of 60.
The Hoosiers are likely the best for a/x, but you'll destroy them immediately on the road. ( 60 minute life ) at over $800 again. No treadwear rating. Race only yet DOT's
So that being said, go Falken or get a second set of rims for a/x stickies to be competitive.
KT
Posted by: J P Stein Jan 27 2005, 04:15 PM
| QUOTE (trekkor @ Jan 27 2005, 01:47 PM) |
| The Hoosiers are likely the best for a/x, but you'll destroy them immediately on the road. ( 60 minute life ) at over $800 again. No treadwear rating. Race only yet DOT's |
I drove my A3SO4s around town, to the track & those tires have about 150 AX passes on em'.....prolly 500-800 miles on em' total.....and they're prolly half gone.
Don't believe all things you read about them. 2 years ago, I ran R3SO3s. 200 passes, 150 minutes of track time, 300-400 of street driving (WAG). Still have em' and they are a touch better than the SO4s.
With the suspension settings they like, they hold up VERY well
on a 914. Heavier cars with the wrong settings eat them up.
Posted by: trekkor Jan 27 2005, 04:25 PM
| QUOTE |
| 150 AX passes on em'.....prolly 500-800 miles on em' total |
Great news!
| QUOTE |
| R3SO3s. 200 passes, 150 minutes of track time, 300-400 of street driving |
Cool
I've got a set of those...I'll switch between the Yok's and Hoosiers for a/x.
Only Yok's for the wet.
KT
Posted by: Marv's3.6six Jan 28 2005, 05:59 AM
Hey guys...The Kumho V700's look like they would do the trick...great reviews at Tire Rack
Price is good versus Hoosiers is anybody runnin them here?
AND anyone find better pricing than Tire Rack? Thanx
Posted by: Joe Ricard Jan 28 2005, 07:30 AM
| QUOTE (Marv's3.2six @ Jan 28 2005, 03:59 AM) |
| Hey guys...The Kumho V700's look like they would do the trick...great reviews at Tire Rack Price is good versus Hoosiers is anybody runnin them here? AND anyone find better pricing than Tire Rack? Thanx |
Yes, Lots of us are running them. They stick pretty good , I still wouldn't run them on the street. I did run to town and back once just to scuff the new off them.
good price I took them to the Airforce base hobby shop and mounted balanced for 10 bucks.
Stiff side wall took 2 people to get them suckers on the rim. I haven'y found cheaper than tire rack. Ordered Monday were at my house Tuesday UPS.
Posted by: VegasRacer Jan 28 2005, 10:37 AM
| QUOTE (Marv's3.2six @ Jan 28 2005, 03:59 AM) |
| anyone find better pricing than Tire Rack? |
I can highly recommend these guys at http://frisbyracetire.com/default.asp. Phone # for the west coast is (702) 433-7390. They are very helpful and knowledgable. Plus they are Porsche friendly.
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