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Posted by: Rusty Oct 10 2014, 07:46 AM
This issue has come up a couple of times recently.
The policy is http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=65693 and is pretty darned lenient. Want to make something for yourself? Cool.
Ya see, the bandwidth, maintenance, hardware and hardware upgrades for 914 World are paid for by Andy. Out of his pocket. Yep. No, he doesn't accept donations.
So, someone making money (even beer money) using the sites logos is a problem. If the OWNER of the site doesn't do it, why should anyone else? You certainly wouldn't get away with that from any other company.
Want to make a limited run of something? Contact the admins & be prepared to send a sample to one of them (we'll return it to you). We won't take forever to respond. It should go without saying, setting up an eBusiness making 914world stuff is way over the line.
Questions, please PM one of the admins and ask. 
-R
Posted by: ThePaintedMan Oct 10 2014, 09:01 AM
Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 10 2014, 09:38 AM
100% agreed
Posted by: 7TPorsh Oct 10 2014, 09:40 AM
Well it is obvious this was directed towards me. For the record I did get approval and permission from Andy. Don't you guys talk to each other? You get the messages.
I am closing the Targa Products store; no more link. If you are one of the 3 people who bought a shirt or a sticker...congratulations! it is now a one of a kind rare item.
I will save the $3 I made; hopefully it will double in 10 years and I can buy a beer.
Also, FYI, providing a sample for the admins is difficult when you need a minimum run of 25 or 50 to make one in the first place.
I am sure it is my own fault and I deserve it. When I read "it's ok", I actually thought "IT'S OK".
Whatever, here it is for posterity. Hell, Andy even sent me the Photoshop files for the logo.
SIR Andy
"I'm OK with the designs as long as you use our new 914World logo that doesn't use the Porsche font and you don't put 914World in the store name.
If you want to, i can also send you the font and/or Photoshop file for the 914World logo ...
smile.gif "
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Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 10 2014, 09:53 AM
Andy is pretty cool, in that he spends a ton of time to make sure we all have a place to discuss our passion. He takes nothing for his work. I would think at the very least a percentage of profits donated to toys for tots program (to whom out banner "fees" are paid. Would be appropriate.
Other than that, yeah make what you want, with his blessing.
Posted by: McMark Oct 10 2014, 10:13 AM
Posted by: 7TPorsh Oct 10 2014, 10:19 AM
I also am doing this out of passion. I love to do art, I love these cars. Just want to spread the enthusiasm..
Honestly if there were buyers and a profit I would be putting up a banner, etc. But I don't have the extra $$$ to do that now and I am not seeing much response to the store anyways. There isn't much actual profit built into the pricing since these are individual products and not a "group buy" volume kind of thing...so essentially they are retail priced but with custom design.
It's for fun and "beer money" as you call it. If anything, a couple extra bucks to spend on the 914 since I have a rule not to spend any family income on the car. I have made 4.50 in actual profit. And I can't get it because they only payout when I get to a minimum amount.
I am not even considering the time to design, draw, or even maintain the store. Plus I will be hit for income tax too. So there goes the $4..
I don't want to piss people off; especially Andy. He has been cool about this all but I get hit from different angles; threatened with legal action...... It ain't worth it.
I'll just stick to cars and carbs.....last on the posters too. At least here.
Posted by: Rusty Oct 10 2014, 10:21 AM
7T,
This post was intended as a friendly reminder as the issue has come up more than once in the past few months from more than one person.
But since you self-identified (in a passive-aggressive way) as one of those who couldn't follow the existing policy, I'll reply. It's nothing that hasn't been explained to you one-on-one.
The policy has been in place for years with the intent to allow members to make small runs of stuff to fill the gap the Admin team decided not to take on. We don't want the site running or associated with an eCommerce site. It was never intended for someone to setup an eBusiness and hawk 914world wares.
Aside from being one of the coolest guys around, Andy's efforts and contribution to the 914 community around the world are unparalleled. He's made more of an impact than any single person since the cars rolled off the factory line. Please show a little respect for his property (914 World) which he generously shares with us.
Rusty
Posted by: 7TPorsh Oct 10 2014, 10:41 AM
Rusty, I have already taken out the store. As I said I don't want to piss off anyone especially Andy. Don't think I have...doesn't matter at this point.
I am aware of the policy, that's why I got approval. Nobody asked me to take it down; it's been up 2 months now. That's my problem. Nobody ASKED me to take it down or stop. Instead I go online to find out I am locked out and getting threatened with legal action?
So yeah Rusty, passive aggressive? no, just a bit pissed and slightly defensive. I see a different version of your friendly reminder.
....damage done...
Posted by: StratPlayer Oct 10 2014, 10:43 AM
Glad I got my shirt and stickers before the sh__ hit the fan. If 7T got permission from andy, why is this even posted.
Posted by: rhodyguy Oct 10 2014, 11:14 AM
Threats? Legal action? Hmmmmm....
Posted by: Rusty Oct 10 2014, 11:26 AM
Threats? Legal action? Hmmmmm....
Ya see, this isn't our first time down this road with this gentleman.
7T went through this a few months ago during his previous venture into eBusiness when he stood up his own online "914 World Store" without talking to anyone.
This time it was a new eStore "Targa something-or-other" with mugs and shirts and stuff... none of which had been discussed.
I requested an address to which we could mail legal correspondence. There were no threats because there didn't need to be.
:shrug:
Posted by: 7TPorsh Oct 10 2014, 01:05 PM
Threats? Legal action? Hmmmmm....
Ya see, this isn't our first time down this road with this gentleman.
7T went through this a few months ago during his previous venture into eBusiness when he stood up his own online "914 World Store" without talking to anyone.
This time it was a new eStore "Targa something-or-other" with mugs and shirts and stuff... none of which had been discussed.
I requested an address to which we could mail legal correspondence. There were no threats because there didn't need to be.
:shrug:
It was discussed, it was all discussed. Even before I started doing any kind of design.
I also agreed to stop but you opened this thread to make an example out of me. You title it let's talk but you PM me and threaten me again when I reply to the thread. Your tone here and on your PMs are different.
If this is what you refer to as going out in a blaze of glory then I'm swinging the bat for strike three. Go ahead and lock me out again.....I already said I'm done selling anything here. With or without the World name on it. Yet YOU persist. Just delete this thread too and it goes away. I won't bring it up again. Everyone else would be too scared too.
ps: there is a thread in the Member Vendors forum; maybe squash that one too.
Posted by: Chris Pincetich Oct 10 2014, 01:36 PM
Let's continue talking.... 
SOMEBODY should be doing 914 World items, for those that can't "do it ourselves"
With so much community support for member vendors of PARTS, there should be concurrent support for folks making other stuff.
So, who's doing it? Can I currently buy a 914 World sticker online?
If so, thanks in advance for sharing the link 
If not, let's keep talking.
Posted by: CptTripps Oct 10 2014, 01:45 PM
Calm down guys...
Here's a pic of a cat. This should help.
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Posted by: Mike Bellis Oct 10 2014, 02:05 PM
IBTL
Posted by: ConeDodger Oct 10 2014, 02:33 PM
Posted by: SirAndy Oct 10 2014, 02:42 PM
ILST
Posted by: 7TPorsh Oct 10 2014, 02:48 PM
Don't like cats....
Posted by: rick 918-S Oct 10 2014, 02:51 PM
If Sir Andy wanted to do an ecommerce site he is more than capable. It would appear to me that there is a big difference between having fun with one item an exploding into cups and shirts and hats and whatever else you can dream up. This is Andy's site. The rest of us are just lucky to have him as our friend. He keeps this place going for us. We all owe him and the other admins
Oh! ILBT! 
Posted by: SLITS Oct 10 2014, 04:27 PM
What a pile of shit and it smells too!
A few trinkets here and there that a few people might even buy ... call the Army / Navy we have a full scale invasion of intellectual property going on here ..
Bah
Posted by: Rusty Oct 10 2014, 05:42 PM
It was discussed, it was all discussed. Even before I started doing any kind of design.
I also agreed to stop but you opened this thread to make an example out of me. You title it let's talk but you PM me and threaten me again when I reply to the thread. Your tone here and on your PMs are different.
If this is what you refer to as going out in a blaze of glory then I'm swinging the bat for strike three. Go ahead and lock me out again.....I already said I'm done selling anything here. With or without the World name on it. Yet YOU persist. Just delete this thread too and it goes away. I won't bring it up again. Everyone else would be too scared too.
ps: there is a thread in the Member Vendors forum; maybe squash that one too.
The universe does not revolve around you, despite what you might think.
This thread was in response to a few incidents, your latest was the most recent. You were not called out. You self-identified and have decided to be a martyr about it. You already believe you're a special snowflake. Enjoy being a drama queen, too.
If we're being so mean to you, log out and don't return. Trolling to be banned is so unattractive. Maybe you can sell pelican shirts on the Bird Board!
ps: Thanks for the heads up on your other eCommerce thread. I did miss that one!
Posted by: Old Yella Oct 10 2014, 06:02 PM
Back to the bird I suppose.
Posted by: Mike Bellis Oct 10 2014, 06:17 PM
IBTL
Twice 
Posted by: Mike Bellis Oct 10 2014, 06:25 PM
Posted by: 76-914 Oct 10 2014, 07:23 PM
No, he doesn't accept donations.
I don't know if that is 100% accurate. If so, to whom did I send $$ when we passed the hat for Andy a short while back? Not that you didn't deserve a commitment from the members Andy.
Don't like cats....
That cat is deaf, BTW.
Posted by: Sleepin Oct 10 2014, 08:10 PM
So you are saying that I can't be selling these dog toys? Everyone loves artificial sticks, and they don't break into slivers and get stuck in your canine friend's bellies....
IBTL
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Posted by: RobW Oct 10 2014, 10:16 PM
Andy and this site rocks.... 
both contribute greatly to the mindshare and knowledge needed to keep these cars of the road. Without both, my cars would be incomplete.
Why am I saying all this mushy crap? Because I don't get the chance often enough...
Posted by: RobW Oct 10 2014, 10:17 PM
So you are saying that I can't be selling these dog toys? Everyone loves artificial sticks, and they don't break into slivers and get stuck in your canine friend's bellies....
IBTL
Can I get mine in yellow?
Posted by: 914bub Oct 11 2014, 12:04 AM
In California we're praying for rain,.......I guess a shit storm will do!
I appreciate all that Andy does for us, He's what EB is to the Samba. Thank you Sir!
Posted by: Cuda911 Oct 11 2014, 12:16 AM
^^^^ Yeah, look at this crap I got in the mail today. And, I will be gone all day tomorrow (Saturday) and really need to water things, on SUNDAY.
If you guys don't hear from me after the weekend, I'm in the slammer for watering my yard.
Sleepin, are you SURE that thing is a DOG toy? That lady looks mighty pleased with it.
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Posted by: Elliot Cannon Oct 11 2014, 12:21 AM
This issue has come up a couple of times recently.
The policy is http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=65693 and is pretty darned lenient. Want to make something for yourself? Cool.
Ya see, the bandwidth, maintenance, hardware and hardware upgrades for 914 World are paid for by Andy. Out of his pocket. Yep. No, he doesn't accept donations.
So, someone making money (even beer money) using the sites logos is a problem. If the OWNER of the site doesn't do it, why should anyone else? You certainly wouldn't get away with that from any other company.
Want to make a limited run of something? Contact the admins & be prepared to send a sample to one of them (we'll return it to you). We won't take forever to respond. It should go without saying, setting up an eBusiness making 914world stuff is way over the line.
Questions, please PM one of the admins and ask.
-R
So, it's Andy's site but you're the enforcer? Way too much drama here. Why couldn't you have done this with PM's?
Posted by: Elliot Cannon Oct 11 2014, 12:26 AM
^^^^ Yeah, look at this crap I got in the mail today. And, I will be gone all day tomorrow 9Saturday) and really need to water things, on SUNDAY.
If you guys don't hear from me after the weekend, I'm in the slammer for watering my yard.
Sleepin, are you SURE that thing is a DOG toy? That lady looks mighty pleased with it.
That lady is Sleepin's wife.
Posted by: 7TPorsh Oct 11 2014, 12:43 AM
Posted by: Mark Henry Oct 11 2014, 04:37 AM
This issue has come up a couple of times recently.
The policy is http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=65693 and is pretty darned lenient. Want to make something for yourself? Cool.
Ya see, the bandwidth, maintenance, hardware and hardware upgrades for 914 World are paid for by Andy. Out of his pocket. Yep. No, he doesn't accept donations.
So, someone making money (even beer money) using the sites logos is a problem. If the OWNER of the site doesn't do it, why should anyone else? You certainly wouldn't get away with that from any other company.
Want to make a limited run of something? Contact the admins & be prepared to send a sample to one of them (we'll return it to you). We won't take forever to respond. It should go without saying, setting up an eBusiness making 914world stuff is way over the line.
Questions, please PM one of the admins and ask.
-R
So, it's Andy's site but you're the enforcer? Way too much drama here. Why couldn't you have done this with PM's?
Rusty, all due respect, but you don't contribute anymore and it seems you only show up once in a blue moon for a piss fest.
Posted by: Johny Blackstain Oct 11 2014, 05:30 AM
Way too much drama here.
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Posted by: Steve Oct 11 2014, 09:09 AM
I would love a 914 World hat to replace my 914 club hat, since I hang out at this site versus the other sites. However there is probably issues with the font. We do need to figure out the SWAG issue. I get the Brad membership thing, but what's wrong with club swag and all proceeds go to site upkeep and or admin party favors?
Posted by: SLITS Oct 11 2014, 09:12 AM
http://s239.photobucket.com/user/professor914/media/Chalon/shitstorm1_zpsd9196b75.jpg.html
http://s239.photobucket.com/user/professor914/media/Chalon/shitstorm_zps5ab64dc9.jpg.html
Posted by: Mike Bellis Oct 11 2014, 09:16 AM
Posted by: StratPlayer Oct 11 2014, 10:30 AM
Rusty, all due respect, but you don't contribute anymore and it seems you only show up once in a blue moon for a piss fest.
Posted by: rhodyguy Oct 11 2014, 12:15 PM
I hate it when I buy seedless oranges only to find seeds when I eat said oranges.
Posted by: Jonathan Livesay Oct 11 2014, 12:24 PM
I am still pretty new around here but I have seen a few of these pissing contests, AP Girl vs. the world etc. If people here want 914 World T-shirts or coffee cups or dog toys or vibrators and someone wants to go to the trouble of setting up a site to sell them after clearing it with Andy (he said he did, although Andy has been kind of quiet on that question) then what is the problem? Is it the twelve cents an hour that he might be making on the venture or what? Is Rusty the 914 World patent office?
Posted by: Mike Bellis Oct 11 2014, 12:36 PM
Group buy! 
Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 13 2014, 03:04 PM
Mike, Can I get a 914world monkey to fling the contents of the buckets?
Posted by: ThePaintedMan Oct 13 2014, 03:11 PM
I have a bellybutton.
Posted by: AvalonFal Oct 13 2014, 03:22 PM
We need more technical threads and less of these.
Paul
Posted by: 76-914 Oct 13 2014, 03:26 PM
We need more technical threads and less of these.
Paul
I totally fucking agree.
we're starting to sound like a bunch of Old Hen's a cackling.
Posted by: wes Oct 13 2014, 03:31 PM
Posted by: ablesnead Oct 13 2014, 03:48 PM
Damn , I was thinking of getting one of the world stickers.....I don't like the Rusty's of the world...can't bring enough angst to a hobby to worry further ....
Posted by: Vacca Rabite Oct 13 2014, 06:24 PM
Damn , I was thinking of getting one of the world stickers.....I don't like the Rusty's of the world...can't bring enough angst to a hobby to worry further ....
They aren't World stickers.
And the Rusty's of the world help keep this place open.
Zach
Posted by: ablesnead Oct 13 2014, 06:48 PM
my bad ! I guess 914 world printed on them was probably a typo .
Posted by: Vacca Rabite Oct 13 2014, 07:27 PM
my bad ! I guess 914 world printed on them was probably a typo .
Your bad indeed.
914 Swag is sanctioned by the admins. This wasn't. Ergo, its not 914World stuff. Hence the reason we have asked for them to stop being made.
Posted by: 396 Oct 13 2014, 07:35 PM
Ditto !
Posted by: RobW Oct 13 2014, 07:51 PM
Ditto !
To said ditto.
For anyone newer who is lost reading this... A lot of us are just having fun, except for Mike.
Posted by: dw914six Oct 13 2014, 07:55 PM
my bad ! I guess 914 world printed on them was probably a typo .
Your bad indeed.
914 Swag is sanctioned by the admins. This wasn't. Ergo, its not 914World stuff. Hence the reason we have asked for them to stop being made.
I personally don't care, but I don't see confusion over the rules, simply whether it was approved.
Unless there is particular enjoyment in this, just verify whether Andy approved, since this is said to be his site and approval seems to be at the heart of this pissing contest.
Posted by: Mike Bellis Oct 13 2014, 08:02 PM
Oh, I'm having fun...
I'm just market testing my latest grope by's
Posted by: wndsnd Oct 13 2014, 08:11 PM
I am in for a chicken and wand thinghy.
Maybe two for the holidays ...
John
Posted by: ripper911 Oct 13 2014, 08:22 PM
I'll take one of the sphincter stretchers, depending on the actual size of the finished product.
Posted by: dpires914 Oct 13 2014, 08:26 PM
That sucks. I wanted a sticker and a t shirt too.
Posted by: ThePaintedMan Oct 13 2014, 09:01 PM
I thought it only right to get vinyl printed of the 914 World logo, as well as many of our awesome vendors to put on the Chumpcar - we never would have made it to the track without all of you guys. I didn't change any of the logos at all other than make them b/w monochromatic. I asked each one of them personally, so I hope that was okay 
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Posted by: 396 Oct 13 2014, 09:34 PM
I might be wrong but, it seems to me majority of this tread is targeted towards some of the newer members ( look at the date joined ). Most have no knowledge of the club when "Brad " was here trying to initiate some fee based membership / advertising.
For the new folks wondering what I'm referring too..please use the search function.
I surf this website way before the 914 became so popular - thus it's normal to have a lot of new members here 1) posting, calling out members for posting their comments 2) not knowing or maybe they already knew to have a link to their own 914 website.
Ok..my .02cents
Ps..for those that dislike my posting, email the admins and voice your concerns again
Posted by: SirAndy Oct 13 2014, 09:51 PM
Here is the short version:
- 7TPorsh asks if he can make 914World stickers
- I ask the other admins, we agree and ask him to send us a mockup of the design for approval
- His design uses the old logo with the Porsche font, we ask him to use the new logo instead and make the rest of the font a bit more readable
- He goes ahead and sets up an online store called "914World" which none of us knew he was going to do
- We told him to not use the board name for his personal store
- He never changed the logo to the newer one
- He never changed the rest of the font to be more readable
- At this point we're all scratching our heads but decide that having some stickers is a good idea and we'll let it slide
- A few weeks go by ...
- We are made aware of the fact that he now sells all sorts of 914World swag in his store besides the stickers, none of which was ever communicated to us
- We're all back to scratching our heads ...
- Rusty posts this thread
- The 914World collective membership transforms overnight into internet experts on the subject of stickers
Posted by: rick 918-S Oct 13 2014, 09:57 PM
I have no dog in this hunt but there seems to some kind of weird thing going on here. I wonder if you went to Pelican or Club or maybe Rennlist and started running a swag business with their stuff on their site if they would ok. It has nothing to do with making a profit and everything to do with infringing on property of others. Andy and McMark made world stickers once. If you want one I bet Andy and Mark would make another run.
If Andy wanted to give the ok for one item that's his business. But why in the "world" would you think that would give a person free license to start a swag business under the pretense that "this is for you guys!"
Two admins stated here it's not ok. Now can we just accept it and find something nice to talk about? This has been said before. This is not a democracy. What the admins say goes.
Posted by: messix Oct 13 2014, 10:19 PM
and that is the whole story.,.....
Posted by: McMark Oct 13 2014, 10:49 PM
Mostly it's just those pesky admins oppressing everyone as usual. I don't know why I hang out here under their censorship and restrictions. I can't BREATHE!
Posted by: JStroud Oct 14 2014, 07:59 AM
Mostly it's just those pesky admins oppressing everyone as usual. I don't know why I hang out here under their censorship and restrictions. I can't BREATHE!
, when's their term up.......is it reelection time.
Posted by: CptTripps Oct 14 2014, 08:20 AM
I have a 914club hat that I don't wear anymore. Free if anyone wants it.
(I'm keeping my keychain though!)
Posted by: 7TPorsh Oct 14 2014, 08:46 AM
wow i am away for the weekend and the peanut gallery arrived.
I did ask, I did change the font....yada yada. Oh and I added a store to make it easier for members to buy...so I wouldn;t have to do a group buy on stuff which is a big hassle. Which made it possibe to add different products.
Also why is adding a t shirt and a coffee mug so outrageous; same design. Here quote from the numerous PMs:
"It's your site (I am guessing) and ultimately I respect that. I am/was planning on having a master design available in different size stickers, coffee mugs, and t shirts/hoodies.
If you want me to cease and desist; I will. If I can continue; what restrictions do I have?"[color=#000099]
Honestly I am the one scratching my head because I don't undrstand what the big deal is. Because nobody said NO outright.
But it's cool. I will stop...already did. Again my problem is the way it's handled. Nobody said stop. Instead I get locked and threatened.
I have been around here for 8 years and am not a newbie. I respect the site and it's members and asked for permission the whole way through.
Rusty, my suggestion is that if you are an admin, then just moderate the forum. In my mind you stepped way over the line. There are ways to do things and ways to say things.
Andy, I really thought it was all ok but if it was a problem I would have like to have heard it from you directly. And if you said "Stop, please don't"; we wouldn't be here now. If it is your site then take ownership and do your own "clean up". Rusty shouldn't be speaking for you.
Mike, ....dude, grow up!
Posted by: ThePaintedMan Oct 14 2014, 09:22 AM
Andy entrusts certain folks with the authority to look out for his (and collectively all of our) best interests. That's what Rusty, Zach, McMark, etc. are - moderators.
Speaking of taking ownership, how bout simply admitting your own mistakes, asking for forgiveness and moving on? The more excuses that you make or explanations that you give, the further in the hole you go.
You seem like a nice guy and have good intentions, but I think this debate has already been decided, so it's probably better for all of us to move on. Now everyone should have a refresher on the policy.
I'm not much for locking threads, but in this case it might not be a bad idea.
Posted by: 7TPorsh Oct 14 2014, 09:48 AM
It's fine, I'm moving on. I seem to be on the wrong side of the fence as usual. Apology...of course, here you go.
I AM SORRY. What was I thinking. I am so ashamed. Gag me with a spoon.
Posted by: StratPlayer Oct 14 2014, 10:41 AM
Thanks for making such a quality shirt,,,
Posted by: rhodyguy Oct 14 2014, 10:50 AM
prob time to put this thread to bed. no purpose any longer.
Posted by: stugray Oct 14 2014, 12:15 PM
How do you know ee's an Admin?
He hasnt got Shit ALL over him!
HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl4ufIrMtXg
Posted by: Larmo63 Oct 14 2014, 12:43 PM
Derp.
Posted by: 7TPorsh Oct 14 2014, 12:58 PM
Thanks for making such a quality shirt,,,
Thanks, Stratplayer.
Here is what I play:
Posted by: Scarlet75 Oct 14 2014, 01:59 PM
Rusty, I have already taken out the store. As I said I don't want to piss off anyone especially Andy. Don't think I have...doesn't matter at this point.
I am aware of the policy, that's why I got approval. Nobody asked me to take it down; it's been up 2 months now. That's my problem. Nobody ASKED me to take it down or stop. Instead I go online to find out I am locked out and getting threatened with legal action?
So yeah Rusty, passive aggressive? no, just a bit pissed and slightly defensive. I see a different version of your friendly reminder.
....damage done...
Let me pretend to be surprised on this one. I remember when the mouse pad was offered i snagged one because it was a great deal. So whats next removing vendors? Or even better the classifieds. Good thing the world site isnt called 914 world or anything
Posted by: Vacca Rabite Oct 14 2014, 02:29 PM
Let me pretend to be surprised on this one. I remember when the mouse pad was offered i snagged one because it was a great deal. So whats next removing vendors? Or even better the classifieds. Good thing the world site isnt called 914 world or anything
If you want to make something for yourself, go for it.
Want to use the 914World Logo on a shirt you are making to fund your event? Just let us know. I don't think we have ever denied logo use for this - just want to make sure its a high quality product.
Want to start a for-profit store selling 914World stuff? Yeah, the bar is getting raised on that.
We get wanting to offer stuff to members, and we think its awesome that folks want to do it. But we also need to make sure the stuff we are giving license to be made and sold (which we don't see a dime of, and are not asking to) is a high quality product.
Zach
Posted by: wndsnd Oct 14 2014, 02:33 PM
Probably more valuable than my car now..
John
Posted by: Scarlet75 Oct 14 2014, 02:34 PM
Probably more valuable than my car now..
John
Dont let them se that mug John.
Posted by: rhodyguy Oct 14 2014, 02:54 PM
So...something like "world914, not 914world" on a tee or hat would be too close? Plan would be shoddy silk screening and the cheapest, most prone to shrinking tees with crappy collars available. Lmn.
K
Posted by: 7TPorsh Oct 14 2014, 02:58 PM
Yes, good products, good prices. Profit won't even fill that cup with Starbucks dark roast.
This all just means that I can't offer 914World referenced stuff. Again, fine. Why publicize the site? Why let people know? So I again am sorry I did such an offensive action.
So soon I will be offering non 914World referenced "SWAG". Look for the new 914 SWAG store. Thanks for the name Rusty.
Coming soon.....or some derivative.
Posted by: 76-914 Oct 14 2014, 03:16 PM
Yes, good products, good prices. Profit won't even fill that cup with Starbucks dark roast.
This all just means that I can't offer 914World referenced stuff. Again, fine. Why publicize the site? Why let people know? So I again am sorry I did such an offensive action.
So soon I will be offering non 914World referenced "SWAG". Look for the new 914 SWAG store. Thanks for the name Rusty.
Coming soon.....or some derivative.
I like that design. Clean, unencumbered and not overstated; just like the 914 itself.
Posted by: sb914 Oct 14 2014, 03:17 PM
Probably more valuable than my car now..
John
Wanna sell that mug
Posted by: wndsnd Oct 14 2014, 03:21 PM
Probably more valuable than my car now..
John
Wanna sell that mug
Maybe
Posted by: Cuda911 Oct 14 2014, 03:29 PM
Got the mug in silver? Can you add "914-Universe" to the bottom?
Posted by: timothy_nd28 Oct 14 2014, 03:30 PM
There seems to be a demand for 914world t-shirts, trinkets and such. Perhaps the admins type folks should take care of all the grunt work, and offer said items for sale and have all the profits going Andy.
Time for you moderators to start pulling your own weight and contribute as much as our Fuhrer Andy does ![whip[1].gif](style_emoticons/default/whip[1].gif)
Posted by: Big Len Oct 14 2014, 04:19 PM
I bought several items from Gary and thought the clothing was high quality and good design. But really, it wouldn't have mattered if "914 WORLD" was on the item or not. Actually if you sell beyond our site, he may sell more without the "WORLD" reference. Seems a shame to have such infighting when we're talking about miniscule profits. After all, its not the Porsche logo we're talking about here. But, whatever.
Posted by: Rusty Oct 14 2014, 04:21 PM
Yes, good products, good prices. Profit won't even fill that cup with Starbucks dark roast.
This all just means that I can't offer 914World referenced stuff. Again, fine. Why publicize the site? Why let people know? So I again am sorry I did such an offensive action.
So soon I will be offering non 914World referenced "SWAG". Look for the new 914 SWAG store. Thanks for the name Rusty.
Coming soon.....or some derivative.
You're welcome. Glad you found something to do besides piss and moan.
Posted by: dw914six Oct 14 2014, 05:36 PM
Yes, good products, good prices. Profit won't even fill that cup with Starbucks dark roast.
This all just means that I can't offer 914World referenced stuff. Again, fine. Why publicize the site? Why let people know? So I again am sorry I did such an offensive action.
So soon I will be offering non 914World referenced "SWAG". Look for the new 914 SWAG store. Thanks for the name Rusty.
Coming soon.....or some derivative.
You're welcome. Glad you found something to do besides piss and moan.
I will put in my 2 cents again....this is something most agree on. Lets stick to the real topic and not the politics. Swag is a difficult business, especially when you do fulfillment. I have a company that does a lot of this, millions each year and fulfillment is our toughest solution to deliver. There is zero chance I would approve this kind of venture to one of my reps....too many risks and downside. It almost requires an attitude of "non profit charity" to justify one of these programs. Something you feel good doing. So, their really is no financial win as a rule.
On the Admins point, they must protect their brand. For the guy trying to do this, you must respect the legal and emotional responsibilities the Admins have relative to the brand. So you cannot expect anything other than very strict and narrow useage of the brand. If you can't live with that, move on.
My advice, create a swag or promotional task force to decide if swag is needed. Them bid out the process and see if a program could be run and the World earns a little to help run the site. Members get good products in line with branding rules.
Everyone wins.
Posted by: Rusty Oct 14 2014, 05:42 PM
I will put in my 2 cents again....this is something most agree on. Lets stick to the real topic and not the politics. Swag is a difficult business, especially when you do fulfillment. I have a company that does a lot of this, millions each year and fulfillment is our toughest solution to deliver. There is zero chance I would approve this kind of venture to one of my reps....too many risks and downside. It almost requires an attitude of "non profit charity" to justify one of these programs. Something you feel good doing. So, their really is no financial win as a rule.
On the Admins point, they must protect their brand. For the guy trying to do this, you must respect the legal and emotional responsibilities the Admins have relative to the brand. So you cannot expect anything other than very strict and narrow useage of the brand. If you can't live with that, move on.
My advice, create a swag or promotional task force to decide if swag is needed. Them bid out the process and see if a program could be run and the World earns a little to help run the site. Members get good products in line with branding rules.
Everyone wins.
Everyone wins... except Andy. We've hopped down this bunny trail before.
You see, selling stuff as a website means taxes and accounting: expenses, inventory, cost of good sold, profits, etc. Andy isn't in a retail business. If that's not run through his computer company, then it needs to show up on someone's personal tax return. Even if Andy just licenses the name to someone, it's another tax issue.
Either way, that potentially means an accountant or additional hours from the guy. That's another bill.
The system we have right now has worked for a very long time. Small batches, made by members for other members.
Posted by: dw914six Oct 14 2014, 05:52 PM
I will put in my 2 cents again....this is something most agree on. Lets stick to the real topic and not the politics. Swag is a difficult business, especially when you do fulfillment. I have a company that does a lot of this, millions each year and fulfillment is our toughest solution to deliver. There is zero chance I would approve this kind of venture to one of my reps....too many risks and downside. It almost requires an attitude of "non profit charity" to justify one of these programs. Something you feel good doing. So, their really is no financial win as a rule.
On the Admins point, they must protect their brand. For the guy trying to do this, you must respect the legal and emotional responsibilities the Admins have relative to the brand. So you cannot expect anything other than very strict and narrow useage of the brand. If you can't live with that, move on.
My advice, create a swag or promotional task force to decide if swag is needed. Them bid out the process and see if a program could be run and the World earns a little to help run the site. Members get good products in line with branding rules.
Everyone wins.
Everyone wins... except Andy. We've hopped down this bunny trail before.
You see, selling stuff as a website means taxes and accounting: expenses, inventory, cost of good sold, profits, etc. Andy isn't in a retail business. If that's not run through his computer company, then it needs to show up on someone's personal tax return. Even if Andy just licenses the name to someone, it's another tax issue.
Either way, that potentially means an accountant or additional hours from the guy. That's another bill.
The system we have right now has worked for a very long time. Small batches, made by members for other members.
A plan is a good thing. Stick with it if it works. On the profit/Andy topic, it wouldn't be difficult. The Company who runs it simply agrees to pay a licensing fee. Andy in turn claims the income and pays the tax, hopefully considerably less than he receives, but with government taxes, you never know. Should not be too time consuming, but I'm not him.
I vote for simple. Keep it as you have it.
Posted by: Larmo63 Oct 14 2014, 06:11 PM
Posted by: DBCooper Oct 14 2014, 06:28 PM
So there's a consensus in there somewhere. From World's side don't use their logo/name, etc. unless you get specific permission, in writing. From 7T's side you're a vendor like other vendors, so follow those rules, don't base things on World (I hear Club's available?) and go for it. Is that about it?
Simple? Fair? Clear? Good, done, group hugs and then back to regularly scheduled programming.
Posted by: r_towle Oct 14 2014, 06:35 PM
I think that if anyone is even considering making anything, it needs to be clearly 70's vintage styling that should be presented before an independent design review board hosted in the sandbox.
If they somehow, miraculously manage to pass that design review process, there should be a random lottery to determine who will be allowed to submit one, yes one idea per quarter to the admins.
The design review board will of course have a set of rules and regulations that , keeping in the spirit of the sandbox, can be changed at anytime, with no recourse.
Posted by: ThePaintedMan Oct 14 2014, 06:43 PM
I think that if anyone is even considering making anything, it needs to be clearly 70's vintage styling that should be presented before an independent design review board hosted in the sandbox.
If they somehow, miraculously manage to pass that design review process, there should be a random lottery to determine who will be allowed to submit one, yes one idea per quarter to the admins.
The design review board will of course have a set of rules and regulations that , keeping in the spirit of the sandbox, can be changed at anytime, with no recourse.
I second the motion - keeping in mind that anything that is designed/considered/reviewed by the Sandbox involves hooters.
Posted by: Porschef Oct 14 2014, 06:44 PM
Oh, I'm having fun...
I'm just market testing my latest grope by's
Jeez, can I just please get a fuchin' rubber chicken?
Posted by: altitude411 Oct 14 2014, 07:42 PM
Jeez, can I just please get a fuchin' rubber chicken?
Here you go, now sit down and shut up, the grown ups are talking...
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Posted by: Black22 Oct 14 2014, 10:02 PM
Wow! I don't hang out here much since the last BS blowout thread I read and contributed to here about someone asking the whereabouts of Mikey914. More of the same...what a shame. 
Kent, I love your attitude and am in total agreement with your viewpoint on this subject. I miss hanging with you and the rest of the SoCal crew. I too contributed to the hat passing for Andy, (that allegedly never happend).
Elliot, you're always a riot and have a great attitude! Can you fly us around this shit storm?
McMark, I can't tell if your comments are serious or not, but that's one of your best attributes. Oh, and your car building skills, contribution to our community. Ok enough ass kissing.
This kind of crap makes me want to sell my teener and be done here, if this is the best site for our cars.
We're supposed to be a group of car...nay...exceptional car (914) lovers. This kind of crap drives me insane! 
Another thing that drives me crazy is what some of the Admins have posted, now and in the past. I think they should be an example of what this site stands for. Maybe I'm too idealistic in that regard, but I think they should portray the comradery we all exhibit when we get together at our events. Not so with some of them. I'm not even sure how or why they hold these positions. Did we vote? Did they volunteer? BTW, I know why Andy has his job. 
Whatever the case I am speaking of one individual directly. Vacca Ribite, what is up your ass sometimes? You come off as a hard on. Or dare I say a dick! You don't seem to have a problem throwing that term around towards others here, on a different thread mind you, so I'm sure you won't be offended. If you can't be respectful of others on this site, give up your admin position and join the general population. You don't represent me.
In regards to the subject of this thread. I've have purchased "World" merchandise in the past from other members here that didn't receive anything other than our money and a pat on the back for their contributions. Why is this any different?
Rusty, you're member #6? I know I've got a number that's quite a bit larger than yours, but I've never heard of you...thanks for contributing.
IBTL or BILO
Posted by: SirAndy Oct 14 2014, 10:10 PM
Who said that never happened? What did i miss?
Btw., those monies went 99% into keeping this site running and 1% whiskey ...
Posted by: Steve Oct 14 2014, 10:16 PM
Who said that never happened? What did i miss?
Btw., those monies went 99% into keeping this site running and 1% whiskey ...
1% whiskey... I was hoping my contribution went to a much needed vacation for you instead of fighting the evil hackers from this site, but we all do appreciate what you do to keep this site up.
Posted by: messix Oct 14 2014, 10:23 PM
Posted by: Mike Bellis Oct 14 2014, 10:33 PM
What am I going to do with these 914 world chickens now? 
Posted by: Black22 Oct 14 2014, 10:40 PM
Who said that never happened? What did i miss?
Btw., those monies went 99% into keeping this site running and 1% whiskey ...
You didn't miss a thing Andy! Ask any lawyer, "allegedly" means it never happened. I was also using terminology used by a previous poster. Not stating facts.
Thanks for all your work keeping this site going.
Sorry there's no shot taking emoticon. Get to work on that will ya?
Posted by: Cuda911 Oct 14 2014, 11:57 PM
I think that if anyone is even considering making anything, it needs to be clearly 70's vintage styling that should be presented before an independent design review board hosted in the sandbox.
If they somehow, miraculously manage to pass that design review process, there should be a random lottery to determine who will be allowed to submit one, yes one idea per quarter to the admins.
The design review board will of course have a set of rules and regulations that , keeping in the spirit of the sandbox, can be changed at anytime, with no recourse.
OK, I hereby volunteer to be on that "independent design review board."
My qualifications:
1. I'm good at being completely arbitrary in my decisions.
2. I have no personal artistic skills.
3. If I personally want to buy the product that is submitted, it gets a thumbs up. If not, it gets a thumbs down.
4. I've watched "Shark Tank" at least four times.
5. I properly used the word "hereby" in a sentence, thus verifying competence for legal review.
Posted by: oldschool Oct 15 2014, 01:00 AM
WoW I've been away for a bit, Due to work but..... 
it the fan! I know this was around the corner
If you want stuff printed PM me I have a complete Print shop
I have done work for a few members here, But I play by the rules.
P.S. and you don't need a group buy
Plus I'm a real 914 dude.....and it runs
Posted by: Johny Blackstain Oct 15 2014, 06:00 AM
Btw., those monies went 99% into keeping this site running and 1% whiskey ...
Really Andy?
I'm so disappointed... whiskey? 
Vodka man, vodka!!
Posted by: Rusty Oct 15 2014, 06:08 AM
Rusty, you're member #6? I know I've got a number that's quite a bit larger than yours, but I've never heard of you...thanks for contributing.
Darned newbies...
Posted by: Olympic 1.7 Oct 15 2014, 06:58 AM
Rusty, you're member #6? I know I've got a number that's quite a bit larger than yours, but I've never heard of you...thanks for contributing.
Darned newbies...
Yeah I'm a newby also but it seems that I've never seen any of your posts till this mess, and it looks like you have only posted eleven times in the past year and seven of them are in this thread?? .... guess you found a subject you like.. thanks for contributing..
Posted by: Rusty Oct 15 2014, 07:04 AM
You're welcome. Thanks for helping me add another post to this thread.
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Posted by: r_towle Oct 15 2014, 07:42 AM
rusty is the welcoming committee and all around enforcer of bad news.
He has taken time off to kill small people in remote regions of the world, cut him slack.
Posted by: Rusty Oct 15 2014, 08:05 AM
rusty is the welcoming committee and all around enforcer of bad news.
He has taken time off to kill small people in remote regions of the world, cut him slack.
Hey brother,
I haven't been deployed in quite a while. Most of my weekends are spent teaching rifle marksmanship. Lots of kids on the line these days. It's a heck of a lot of fun.
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Posted by: ripper911 Oct 15 2014, 09:12 AM
Btw., those monies went 99% into keeping this site running and 1% whiskey ...
Really Andy?
I'm so disappointed... whiskey? Vodka man, vodka!!
Vodka?
Whiskey is a much better choice.
If you just have to drink a clear liquor maybe grab some gin, at least it has some flavor.
Posted by: 76-914 Oct 15 2014, 09:35 AM
Who said that never happened? What did i miss?
Btw., those monies went 99% into keeping this site running and 1% whiskey ...
Andy, see post #26 which replied to post #1. Seems it became misconstrued. It's all good.
Posted by: rhodyguy Oct 15 2014, 09:37 AM
full auto? no leaning down range.
Posted by: Rusty Oct 15 2014, 09:51 AM
What that little girl will have to live with because of a careless instructor.
We only shoot bolt-action and semi-auto rifles on my firing lines. I have discretion to allow them, but at the events I host I choose to restrict select-fire rifles for risk management purposes.
(P.S. I'm not anti-2A. I think everyone should be able to own a select-fire rifle with no NFA nonsense.)
Posted by: 7TPorsh Oct 15 2014, 10:05 AM
Thank Rusty for confirming what kind of person you are. It seems others here know you are shit kicking a$$hat too.
So I guess it was all worth it.
Posted by: Elliot Cannon Oct 15 2014, 10:27 AM
OK, it seems everyone has made their point here. I draw the line at personal attacks. Will somebody please stop this stupid fuching thread. This whole thing could have been handled privately with PM's. instead of airing it out in public.
Posted by: Rusty Oct 15 2014, 10:30 AM
Thank Rusty for confirming what kind of person you are. It seems others here know you are shit kicking a$$hat too.
So I guess it was all worth it.
Posted by: rmital Oct 15 2014, 10:40 AM
Rusty, you're member #6? I know I've got a number that's quite a bit larger than yours, but I've never heard of you...thanks for contributing.
Darned newbies...
...I'm interested in how does a website start out in CA, and a guy from Alabama (on Xmas day, look at his join date) joins at #6?
bored after opening gifts...??
did you find the Club by Google search??
couldn't have been by word of mouth....too soon, unless you lived on the left coast at the time?
Glenn from Pelican sent me here cause I needed help...lots of it....
didn't realize how much fun this place was/is
Posted by: Rusty Oct 15 2014, 10:49 AM
Where was I Christmas day in 2002? Probably stationed in the middle of Kansas, sitting in some shitty apartment? Odds are I was enjoying some wine and smoking my hookah pipe.
I think I was recently back from one of my overseas tours in the Sinai.
Most of us were on Rennlist back then... that was a long time ago. Good times.
Posted by: rmital Oct 15 2014, 11:01 AM
Where was I Christmas day in 2002? Probably stationed in the middle of Kansas, sitting in some shitty apartment? Odds are I was enjoying some wine and smoking my hookah pipe.
I think I was recently back from one of my overseas tours in the Sinai.
Most of us were on Rennlist back then... that was a long time ago. Good times.
cool...I was desperate for a set of rear calipers. Sager pointed me in this direction.
the only way to contact Eric Shea was thru this site (as far as I know)...back when he was just a regular guy.
....sorry, this was just a little off topic. you old timers fascinate me.
Posted by: Rusty Oct 15 2014, 11:06 AM
Once upon a time, Porschelist/Rennlist was about all we had.
Very early on was the Renegade club site. I think I used my AOL connection to print everything on the site. It's in a binder in the garage somewhere. Those early articles were inspiring.
Posted by: Larmo63 Oct 15 2014, 11:14 AM
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Posted by: 7TPorsh Oct 15 2014, 11:23 AM
A member here who doesn't respect the "Elders" of 914World, and Veterans especially, needs to be booted off this board. IMHO
It's some of the "elders" who are disrespecting. Without its members, this is just an empty site.
Being a vet or not has nothing to do with it; go wave your flag somewhere else.
Geez, teaching kids to shoot.....
is this world coming too. Teach them something productive...like pissing people off on web forums. Posted by: SirAndy Oct 15 2014, 11:39 AM
That reminds me, there still is a 914Club sticker out there somewhere ...
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=12568
Posted by: Dave_Darling Oct 15 2014, 01:40 PM
Plus I'm a real 914 dude.....and it runs...
Sorry, those two statements are mutually exclusive. Everybody knows that all real 914s are on jack stands.
...Seeing that picture of Rusty with those pre-teen kids makes me wonder, though:
Is Rusty taller than Clay, or is Clay taller than Rusty?
--DD
Posted by: Rusty Oct 15 2014, 01:46 PM
Not a fair question. Clay always has his booster seat and I don't.
Posted by: Chris Pincetich Oct 15 2014, 01:48 PM
Here is the short version:
- The 914World collective membership transforms overnight into internet experts on the subject of stickers
Actually, I am an expert on the subject of stickers
Happy to see we're all still talking
Now, where's my link to some cool 914 World swag that I can buy?
Actually, might just go direct to McMark, who has (had?) a vinyl decal cutter/printer and the 914 World digital logo files.
Posted by: rhodyguy Oct 15 2014, 01:50 PM
as for the member #. iirc the # you received when you joined 914club carried over to world. as for join date and posting #s rusty has been around. he had a 24/7 job for a career and is probably making up for lost time doing other things.
i think a few vets have had timeouts. i know of 1 that positively deserved it. everybody gets over it.
given the comments on the mug my guess is there's a market for quality 914 related items. there you go! do your own line sans 914world.
Posted by: Chris914n6 Oct 15 2014, 02:09 PM
Teach them something productive...like pissing people off on web forums.
You're doing a really good job of that. You are 50 years old, why are you being a prissy drama queen about something you weren't asked to do in the first place. You were not commissioned. There was no design contest.
Doing a limited production group buy of a unique design involving a Forum logo and with permission from the Forum management is one thing. Opening a swag store with their logo is way out of line. This is the only car forum I've been a part of that doesn't do it's own swag to pay for operating costs. Even then, the only time a 3rd party vendor is involved is calendars.
My $.02, drop the logo and this stupid bitch-fest. Focus on your unique and nicely done 914 posters, and enjoy the car that brought you here.
Posted by: Bob L. Oct 15 2014, 02:17 PM
as for the member #. iirc the # you received when you joined 914club carried over to world.
Ah! If correct, that explains why Sir Andy is not member #1. I was wondering.
Posted by: SirAndy Oct 15 2014, 02:28 PM
Brad started the first version of the Club site off his personal computer at home just before Christmas 2002.
We moved everything onto one of my servers in January 2003 and i didn't sign up until late in January.
Posted by: AvalonFal Oct 15 2014, 03:04 PM
given the comments on the mug my guess is there's a market for quality 914 related items. there you go! do your own line sans 914world.
That IS it. Who cares if the word "WORLD" or logo is on the swag as long as "914" is.
Paul
Posted by: r_towle Oct 15 2014, 03:28 PM
Teach them something productive...like pissing people off on web forums.
There was no design contest.
see, that is the real issue.
We have offered to setup a design contest, with arbitrary rules, tasteless remarks, completely senseless rulings, all to make this go away with as much humor and silly stories as possible.
Posted by: kart54 Oct 15 2014, 04:07 PM
I like turtles !!!
did this to see what my number is.
Kart54
Posted by: oldschool Oct 15 2014, 04:25 PM
I love this site check it 2 maybe 3 times a day when I can. The people that Ive come to know are way cool, and people that I only know through the internet I like to think We are connected because of the funny car that I own......can't we all just get a group hug..
Posted by: 7TPorsh Oct 15 2014, 04:33 PM
Teach them something productive...like pissing people off on web forums.
You're doing a really good job of that. You are 50 years old, why are you being a prissy drama queen about something you weren't asked to do in the first place. You were not commissioned. There was no design contest.
Doing a limited production group buy of a unique design involving a Forum logo and with permission from the Forum management is one thing. Opening a swag store with their logo is way out of line. This is the only car forum I've been a part of that doesn't do it's own swag to pay for operating costs. Even then, the only time a 3rd party vendor is involved is calendars.
My $.02, drop the logo and this stupid bitch-fest. Focus on your unique and nicely done 914 posters, and enjoy the car that brought you here.
I am with you Chris. i am ready to put this to bed but it seems we have a lot of patriots around here waving their banners. Call me a drama queen, a pisser, whatever. There's two sides to every story.
All this and Andy still hasn't definitively weighed in and said it's ok or not. So a little disappointed in that. Just old man Rusty waving his arms (and firearms).
I do have the PM where I said I would be offering stickers shirts and mugs. Again no "hey man you can't do that".
If admins want I will send them the design file (plenty of hours in it which I will donate for the cause) and they can take all the time and trouble to setup a store or a group buy and run it. Seems people here want the stuff but are pissed off I am offering it.
Yeah this could have been done by PMs...and it was. Point was made and store was closed. But nooooo....good old Rusty here had to throw it up the flagpole.
So I salute you!
Can we just shut this down now? I'm beat, you got what you want....which is nothing.
Posted by: Rusty Oct 15 2014, 05:21 PM
Yeah this could have been done by PMs...and it was. Point was made and store was closed. But nooooo....good old Rusty here had to throw it up the flagpole.
Once again, 7T: This thread didn't call you out by name. You called yourself out, dude.
Posted by: RobW Oct 15 2014, 05:35 PM
There is one sure fire way to shut this thread down...
Posted by: Porschef Oct 15 2014, 05:43 PM
I like turtles !!!
did this to see what my number is.
Kart54
Never mind your fuchin' turtles, I want a rubber chicken with the 914 World logo
Mike?
Posted by: monkeyboy Oct 15 2014, 05:48 PM
Can someone start talking about religion or politics so this can be locked?
Posted by: Rusty Oct 15 2014, 05:49 PM
It'll fade away... give it time.
Posted by: Jon H. Oct 15 2014, 07:23 PM
I know you can't see it but it says "914 World" on the back of Micheal's jacket
Posted by: AlanG Oct 15 2014, 07:34 PM
We need more technical threads and less of these.
Paul
I totally fucking agree.
we're starting to sound like a bunch of Old Hen's a cackling. 10 times over!
Posted by: ben*james Oct 15 2014, 07:43 PM
Second that on the turtles....
Oh
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There it is
Posted by: dw914six Oct 15 2014, 07:52 PM
Teach them something productive...like pissing people off on web forums.
You're doing a really good job of that. You are 50 years old, why are you being a prissy drama queen about something you weren't asked to do in the first place. You were not commissioned. There was no design contest.
Doing a limited production group buy of a unique design involving a Forum logo and with permission from the Forum management is one thing. Opening a swag store with their logo is way out of line. This is the only car forum I've been a part of that doesn't do it's own swag to pay for operating costs. Even then, the only time a 3rd party vendor is involved is calendars.
My $.02, drop the logo and this stupid bitch-fest. Focus on your unique and nicely done 914 posters, and enjoy the car that brought you here.
I am with you Chris. i am ready to put this to bed but it seems we have a lot of patriots around here waving their banners. Call me a drama queen, a pisser, whatever. There's two sides to every story.
All this and Andy still hasn't definitively weighed in and said it's ok or not. So a little disappointed in that. Just old man Rusty waving his arms (and firearms).
I do have the PM where I said I would be offering stickers shirts and mugs. Again no "hey man you can't do that".
If admins want I will send them the design file (plenty of hours in it which I will donate for the cause) and they can take all the time and trouble to setup a store or a group buy and run it. Seems people here want the stuff but are pissed off I am offering it.
Yeah this could have been done by PMs...and it was. Point was made and store was closed. But nooooo....good old Rusty here had to throw it up the flagpole.
So I salute you!
Can we just shut this down now? I'm beat, you got what you want....which is nothing.
Dude, don't be dragging in the right to bear arms. not cool.
Posted by: dw914six Oct 15 2014, 08:07 PM
OK, it seems everyone has made their point here. I draw the line at personal attacks. Will somebody please stop this stupid fuching thread. This whole thing could have been handled privately with PM's. instead of airing it out in public.
Yeah, I'm with you Elliott on that. Especially when I now get the sense of judgment of a man who shoots guns.
Which means said judgment for all who believe in this right.
My experience is these gun carrying primadonas are the very people risking their lives to help keep those same pansies safe. Believe it or not, its a very bad world out there. Some very, very bad people just waiting to destroy your live and your families lives. I don't know Rusty, but if he did/does serve, then I thank you sir for your service.
Irregardless of what other politics run amuck here on this site.
Posted by: Scarlet75 Oct 15 2014, 08:24 PM
rusty is the welcoming committee and all around enforcer of bad news.
He has taken time off to kill small people in remote regions of the world, cut him slack.
someone was a warrant officer.
Posted by: Jonathan Livesay Oct 15 2014, 09:43 PM
Yeah this could have been done by PMs...and it was. Point was made and store was closed. But nooooo....good old Rusty here had to throw it up the flagpole.
Once again, 7T: This thread didn't call you out by name. You called yourself out, dude.
And you responded, repeatedly and directly. And with many more posts than you have directed to all subjects put together in the past year.
Posted by: 7TPorsh Oct 15 2014, 09:56 PM
Yeah this could have been done by PMs...and it was. Point was made and store was closed. But nooooo....good old Rusty here had to throw it up the flagpole.
Once again, 7T: This thread didn't call you out by name. You called yourself out, dude.
Sure just a generic thread.
Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 15 2014, 09:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CMNry4PE93Y
I like turtles too
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Posted by: McMark Oct 15 2014, 10:04 PM
I have a banner to wave!
Oh and since hookah and whiskey were mentioned...
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Posted by: Mike Bellis Oct 15 2014, 10:10 PM
Fixed it! 
Posted by: McMark Oct 15 2014, 10:15 PM
Posted by: altitude411 Oct 15 2014, 10:37 PM
Fixed it!
LMAO...
....and if your names Rusty, you have the perfect name to be
teeners. Thanks for your service Sir.
Posted by: bigkensteele Oct 15 2014, 10:50 PM
I admit to quitting on page 6. because I could feel my intellectual prowess being sucked out of me like a blind hooker asking for money from a kilbassa. Yes, I know that makes no sense, but neither does this thread anymore. I don't need any more t-shirts, coffee mugs, stickers or rubber chickens, so I am not sure why I read as much as I did.
My take-away is that Rusty (who I never even heard of until this thread) seems like a bit of an a-hole. And that the money that I contributed a while back went mostly back to the site but about a dollar of it went to Andy's drinking habit, which I am fine with because dealing with all of us has to be stressfful.
God save the 914world and its brethren, and its font, and its impeccable standing on Earth as never having allowed a sub-par piece of swag being produced in its name.
Honestly, I love this place. It keeps me sane. Just let me know when I need to send money to keep it up, and I will try my best not to even read threads like this in the future.
Posted by: flippa Oct 16 2014, 12:21 AM
Posted by: Cuda911 Oct 16 2014, 12:40 AM
OK, it seems everyone has made their point here. I draw the line at personal attacks. Will somebody please stop this stupid fuching thread. This whole thing could have been handled privately with PM's. instead of airing it out in public.
Are you kidding me?? PMs??
That wouldn't be at all the same.
The entertainment factor would have been totally eliminated if this discussion was via PMs.
Posted by: Rusty Oct 16 2014, 04:36 AM
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Posted by: SLITS Oct 16 2014, 08:53 AM
Whooopeeee!
Posted by: matthepcat Oct 16 2014, 09:37 AM
Posted by: Mark Henry Oct 16 2014, 11:31 AM
Fixed it!
How many do we need for a group buy?
Posted by: Chris914n6 Oct 16 2014, 06:38 PM
Posted by: worn Oct 16 2014, 07:33 PM
I haven't been around very long, but almost every post in the thread seems in one way or another out of line. No I don't find it funny, it simply makes me feel, well, bad. Some of you have more control than others and I have to say I am dissapointed to find this in the garage or even on the home page. Could this not have reasonably be killed after the first post so the message gets across.
This has to be one of the best use-list sites in the whole world, so the bar is high I suppose.
Posted by: r_towle Oct 16 2014, 07:52 PM
I haven't been around very long, but almost every post in the thread seems in one way or another out of line. No I don't find it funny, it simply makes me feel, well, bad. Some of you have more control than others and I have to say I am dissapointed to find this in the garage or even on the home page. Could this not have reasonably be killed after the first post so the message gets across.
This has to be one of the best use-list sites in the whole world, so the bar is high I suppose.
I guess you have not found the sandbox then, eh?
This is far from out of line, rather tame really...
time for some poop?
Posted by: wndsnd Oct 16 2014, 08:46 PM
I knew there would be a 911 in his garage.
John
Posted by: SLITS Oct 16 2014, 10:03 PM
I haven't been around very long, but almost every post in the thread seems in one way or another out of line. No I don't find it funny, it simply makes me feel, well, bad. Some of you have more control than others and I have to say I am dissapointed to find this in the garage or even on the home page. Could this not have reasonably be killed after the first post so the message gets across.
This has to be one of the best use-list sites in the whole world, so the bar is high I suppose.
When you realize that some of us "old timers" find the premiss of this thread laughable and our mode of operation is to tune the absurd to a completely different level of absurdity, you will understand why we keep it alive. Mainly to piss off the Admins who were shortsighted in the beginning.
Anarchy is alive and well ...............................
Posted by: Elliot Cannon Oct 16 2014, 10:39 PM
What he said.
Posted by: Lou W Oct 16 2014, 10:44 PM
Who's Brad?
Posted by: TROJANMAN Oct 16 2014, 11:07 PM
Hey, I remember this place..........
7T make us some ClubNarp Swag, we could use the publicity
Posted by: krk Oct 16 2014, 11:24 PM
Once upon a time, Porschelist/Rennlist was about all we had.
Very early on was the Renegade club site. I think I used my AOL connection to print everything on the site. It's in a binder in the garage somewhere. Those early articles were inspiring.
So true. I moved to CA in '96, got my first 914 (73 2.0) and if it wasn't for Rennlist, (I have only the faintest recollection of Porchelist...) I would never have got that puppy sorted. Totally fun times tho. By today's standards, the list created a tiny community, but it seemed frikk'n magical at the time. I could ask about the FI bits/behaviors and get answers from folks who had the btdt to assist. (I think I even got Rusty to comment on webers for a /6 when I got into trouble with them)
With teenagers currently in the house, the p-car hobbies are quite slow at the moment, but I do have non-running 914's so I suppose I'm still "in" -- lol.
My member number is the second one I had -- I was just being a tester for something new at the time. Once the site was running, things just moved on -- so early numbers just mean you were here early. (man, in my case, do I wish it meant "competence"!)
The community/group/whatever-we-are-called has turned into something quite unexpected and quite wonderful. "unintended consequences" :-)
Enjoy it.
kim.
Posted by: 7TPorsh Oct 17 2014, 09:12 AM
Hey, I remember this place..........
7T make us some ClubNarp Swag, we could use the publicity
Sure, here is a quickie off the top off my head! Cant do much on this laptop...
Posted by: Mark Henry Oct 17 2014, 11:35 AM
Hey, I remember this place..........
7T make us some ClubNarp Swag, we could use the publicity
Sure, here is a quickie off the top off my head! Cant do much on this laptop...
"Stuttgart" should be replaced with "Oldfart"
Posted by: SirAndy Oct 17 2014, 11:38 AM
That would be "Alter Furz" in German ...
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