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Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 15 2014, 07:22 PM

Threw out some options as I'm looking at making these. The numbers are budgetary. If we don't get many takers I may still make but cost will be more. If these are wildly popular, I can and do reduce the cost if possible.
Going to the the lens and rubber for sure, but I'm thinking the electrical has issues too, so maybe the entire assembly.


What's your .02


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Posted by: mepstein Oct 15 2014, 07:24 PM

i'll take the complete assembly for 2 cars. thanks,mark

Posted by: bdstone914 Oct 15 2014, 07:32 PM

Yes they are often corroded and the ground terminal breaks. Can't see much point in offering lens only. Buyer would have to drill out old rivets and install new lens without cracking to save a few bucks. These should he very popular. I can't find good used ones and quickly sold the remaining decent ones I had.
Funny think is when they were available a few years ago they were only $14 each.

Posted by: rick 918-S Oct 15 2014, 07:43 PM

Yes two cars

Posted by: 914Sixer Oct 15 2014, 07:55 PM

AA has reproduced them. They are selling for $59 for complete assembly.

Posted by: bdstone914 Oct 15 2014, 08:38 PM

QUOTE(914Sixer @ Oct 15 2014, 06:55 PM) *

AA has reproduced them. They are selling for $59 for complete assembly.


Anybody seen one to check the quality?
I would still buy one from Mark even if it cost more.

Posted by: barebrad Oct 15 2014, 08:41 PM

I'd be in for 2 cars as well!

Posted by: bigkensteele Oct 15 2014, 09:03 PM

QUOTE(914Sixer @ Oct 15 2014, 05:55 PM) *

AA has reproduced them. They are selling for $59 for complete assembly.

I have a set of AA reproduced Euro taillight lenses on my car, and if Mark produced a set that actually fit, I would gladly replace them.

Posted by: walterolin Oct 15 2014, 09:17 PM

One car.

And ditto on the taillight lens. Looked good in the box, but didn't fit well and the glue joints were weak.

Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 15 2014, 10:11 PM

QUOTE(walterolin @ Oct 15 2014, 08:17 PM) *

One car.

And ditto on the taillight lens. Looked good in the box, but didn't fit well and the glue joints were weak.

What was glued?
The metal was riveted, the rubber and lens should each be one piece.

Posted by: pilothyer Oct 15 2014, 10:29 PM

QUOTE(Mikey914 @ Oct 15 2014, 11:11 PM) *

QUOTE(walterolin @ Oct 15 2014, 08:17 PM) *

One car.

And ditto on the taillight lens. Looked good in the box, but didn't fit well and the glue joints were weak.

What was glued?
The metal was riveted, the rubber and lens should each be one piece.


He was referring to the euro taillight lenses offered in a group buy by GH some time back.

Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 15 2014, 10:43 PM

Got ya.
Yes I did make the molds to do them. I too had issues with the gluing. I may have some light at the end of the tunnel with them, as I did find a bonding agent the shows promise. I just need to make more up and try it. May be a few weeks, but as I get more time I'll be able to do so.
-mark

Posted by: jeeperjohn56 Oct 16 2014, 12:46 AM

Mark, I'm in for two cars, let me know when to send payment. John

Posted by: clapeza Oct 16 2014, 06:50 AM

I'm in for a set of 2, for my '70.

Chester

Posted by: Scarlet75 Oct 16 2014, 09:25 AM

2 cars worth

Thanks

Posted by: 76-914 Oct 16 2014, 09:29 AM

Mark, Bruce made a good point. These items are notorious for problems with the electrical. Mini spades that break and electrical shorts out the kazoo. Maybe they could be produced with a 6" insulated pig tail and a pair of bullet crimp connectors (to be connected in the enclosed trunk area) included with each lens assm.???

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Oct 16 2014, 09:39 AM

Options, I like options to be available. Owning 2 cars, one in immaculate shape & one in more typical shape I like having options. biggrin.gif

Posted by: sbsix Oct 16 2014, 09:42 AM

Mark, I'm in for one car.

Posted by: Jonathan Livesay Oct 16 2014, 10:26 AM

I would take 2 sets.

Edit: To answer the original question, making them complete with electrical would be the way to go.

Posted by: Mikey914 Oct 16 2014, 10:55 AM

QUOTE(76-914 @ Oct 16 2014, 08:29 AM) *

Mark, Bruce made a good point. These items are notorious for problems with the electrical. Mini spades that break and electrical shorts out the kazoo. Maybe they could be produced with a 6" insulated pig tail and a pair of bullet crimp connectors (to be connected in the enclosed trunk area) included with each lens assm.???


I think there is some opportunity to improve the design. Use of stainless may be part of it. Making the connection out the back of the rubber section may be improved also.
Also, an option for an internal with LED would be good, as they are not affected by vibration, and a cool white looks close to a regular bulb.

Posted by: Rleog Oct 16 2014, 12:34 PM

The electrical mini spades on mine are corroded/gone. I'd be in for a set of the complete units. Hope you go that route.

Posted by: Kansas 914 Oct 16 2014, 01:15 PM

I would be in for 2 sets.

Posted by: Mike Bellis Oct 16 2014, 11:14 PM

I need 2 assemblies.

Posted by: narino Oct 16 2014, 11:40 PM

In for a set for one car.

Posted by: Niklas Oct 17 2014, 07:22 AM

Your parts are so good!

I need parts for at least 2 cars.

Posted by: no1uno Oct 17 2014, 10:05 AM

I'd be in for a couple of sets

Posted by: Sleepin Oct 17 2014, 10:41 AM

I'd be in for a set.

If Mark's parts were twice as much as AA's...I would buy from Mark.

Posted by: bigkensteele Oct 17 2014, 03:36 PM

1 set for me, please.

Posted by: Harpo Oct 17 2014, 06:25 PM

Can these be also mounted in to your fiberglass bumper tops? Could someone post a photo. I have back dated my bumpers with fiberglass bumper tops but I currently have no license plate lights.

Thanks

David

Posted by: Steve Oct 17 2014, 08:41 PM

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Can these be also mounted in to your fiberglass bumper tops? Could someone post a photo. I have back dated my bumpers with fiberglass bumper tops but I currently have no license plate lights.

Thanks

David

They make lighted license plate franes. That's what I used.

Posted by: Bossman Oct 17 2014, 09:32 PM

I would be in for a set of the complete assemblies. Ditto on the pigtail into the trunk.

Posted by: Mikey914 Nov 13 2014, 02:48 AM

I will have the lens only in about 8 days. Pulled the 1st one. It has a few small bubbles in the outer edge but looks good.


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Posted by: dw914six Nov 13 2014, 06:35 AM

I will take 2 sets.

Thanks

Posted by: brant Nov 13 2014, 09:57 AM

Let me know if these happen. Nice product

Posted by: Mikey914 Nov 13 2014, 12:16 PM

Just showing progress.

Posted by: hndyhrr Nov 13 2014, 08:31 PM

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I'd be in for a set.

If Mark's parts were twice as much as AA's...I would buy from Mark.

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Posted by: Harpo Nov 15 2014, 06:59 AM

Any chance these will be LEDs?

Posted by: mharmon Nov 15 2014, 10:18 AM

I'm in for 2 sets

Posted by: Mikey914 Nov 15 2014, 05:04 PM

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Any chance these will be LEDs?

Yes that will be an option.

Posted by: SKL1 Nov 15 2014, 05:33 PM

I'd go for two sets as well.

Posted by: Mikey914 Feb 11 2015, 09:42 PM

Got the rubber done, it was kind of a bit$h, but the Guts are left.

We are looking at 2 options.
1- OEM style with bayonet bulb
2-LED with choice of warm white (like the bulb), or the cool white (more LED looking white light)

Either way the cost for the internals will be slightly more than we expected. The OEM style will be $2.50 more than anticipated, and the LED will be $5, but will include the bulb.

As a further improvement we are looking at sealing the LED version and providing with just the 2 wires protruding to splice in. This will eliminate the issue with Vibration and corrosion should be minimized.

This is where we are at so far.

Note that in picture 4 the holes do not line up. We may have to make adaptor plates. I'm starting another thread to see what is know about these. I've only had one early car and it was some time ago, so I need some feedback on this.


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Posted by: mepstein Feb 11 2015, 10:02 PM

I'm still in. 1 reg set, 1 led set. thanks!

Posted by: pgollender Feb 11 2015, 10:13 PM

Mark, I was just re-conditioning my old ones on my '70, what a PIA !' Will need complete set for my '73. Why didn't you post last Friday, before I began ? hissyfit.gif My time = $200/hour. Spent 1.25 hours... Coulda saved $150 of frustration.

Posted by: Mikey914 Feb 11 2015, 10:23 PM

Paul, any pics would be appreciated, I'm trying to solve the mystery of holes. Do yours line up?

Posted by: mepstein Feb 11 2015, 10:36 PM

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Mark, I was just re-conditioning my old ones on my '70, what a PIA !' Will need complete set for my '73. Why didn't you post last Friday, before I began ? hissyfit.gif My time = $200/hour. Spent 1.25 hours... Coulda saved $150 of frustration.

Call me next time you need some work on your car. I only charge $100/hour so I can possibly save you thousands next time you have a big job. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: pgollender Feb 11 2015, 11:04 PM

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Paul, any pics would be appreciated, I'm trying to solve the mystery of holes. Do yours line up?

Mark the old lens dropped right into the old stock 1970 bumper holes, 65mm on center lens and bumper holes. Looked at the '73 and same measurements. The back of the electric chassis had some room to position within the 'receptacle' cavity in each of the '70 and '73
Attached Image I think because the old bumpers had that thin sheet metal plate you can put the screws in just about anywhere....if you push it a little. My '73 had two sets of holes on the left side, both were 65mm apart, but offset from each other about 2.5mm. I think the previous owner or mechanic just decided to punch in an extra set into fresh metal.
Dunno if that helps you or not confused24.gif

Posted by: pgollender Feb 11 2015, 11:13 PM

QUOTE(mepstein @ Feb 11 2015, 08:36 PM) *

QUOTE(pgollender @ Feb 11 2015, 11:13 PM) *

Mark, I was just re-conditioning my old ones on my '70, what a PIA !' Will need complete set for my '73. Why didn't you post last Friday, before I began ? hissyfit.gif My time = $200/hour. Spent 1.25 hours... Coulda saved $150 of frustration.

Call me next time you need some work on your car. I only charge $100/hour so I can possibly save you thousands next time you have a big job. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Pennsylvania labor @$100/hour smile.gif = California labor @$200/hour sad.gif

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