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914World.com _ 914World Garage _ Are all 76 models 2.0L?
Posted by: itsa914 Jan 30 2005, 08:05 AM
Going to look at a local 76 this week. Its runs, but hasn't been on the road since 03. The guy started to prep for paint work and found himself over his head so he just parked it under cover in his garage. He said its "solid" but couldn't / wouldn't answer questions about the longs and such.
Anyway my real question is were all 76's 2.0L or could you still get a 1.8L? He claims its a 2.0 full optioned car. His asking price is 2K. I will post pictures later this week.
Posted by: Stutgart46 Jan 30 2005, 08:32 AM
I believe so. I had a '75 2.0 and it was a great car. It seemed that Porsche had worked out all of the bugs by '75. I used it as a DE car and it never even hick-uped.
Good luck. Post some pics and let us know what happened.
Posted by: 914 novice Jan 30 2005, 08:32 AM
Garold,I found this 914 pricing guide.I hope it is helpful.http://www.porsche914.org/untitled.html
Posted by: skline Jan 30 2005, 08:35 AM
Yes, All 1976 Porsche 914's were 2 liter only. There were no other engine options in 1976. In fact, many 76 cars had all the options as they were trying to get rid of all left over parts at the factory. However, seeing as the cars are all 30 years old, who knows what kind of things can happen, if they blew the motor up, they could have went a cheap way and put something else in there.
Posted by: skline Jan 30 2005, 08:36 AM
| QUOTE (914 novice @ Jan 30 2005, 06:32 AM) |
| Garold,I found this 914 pricing guide.I hope it is helpful.http://www.porsche914.org/untitled.html |
That price list is 5 years old, trust me, they are not accurate any more.
Posted by: 914 novice Jan 30 2005, 08:45 AM
| QUOTE (skline @ Jan 30 2005, 06:36 AM) | ||
That price list is 5 years old, trust me, they are not accurate any more. |
I was thinking he could use it to see which engine options came which years .That is what i have been doing to see if the cars i have been looking at have been changed.I am sorry,I was not very clear.
Just need to go to the classifieds to know that those prices are old
Posted by: skline Jan 30 2005, 08:58 AM
Aint that the truth. I was looking for a long time waiting to find one that I could afford that wasnt just a parts car.
Posted by: itsa914 Jan 30 2005, 09:04 AM
Thanks guys. I was pretty sure they were all 2.0L in 76. Not sure what I would do with the car if its in good enough shape to save. But, hey you can never have to many 914s 
Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 30 2005, 10:25 AM
According the Porsche records there were a few 76's with 1.8l. Most were 2.0l and at the end of the run seem to be fully optioned.
Geoff
Posted by: skline Jan 30 2005, 11:28 AM
Well, I dont want to get into a pissin match with anyone, but I have read all through the 76 brochure for the 914 and it states everywhere in it taht the peppy 2 liter engine will move you down the road at an impressive pace. In the options, it doesnt say 1.8 anywhere. So if they built it, it was for Europe only.
Posted by: Gustl Jan 30 2005, 11:40 AM
In Europe there was NO 914 available in '76
All '76 brochures I own only show the 2.0 versions - no engine option
I've never seen any Porsche records, that proof that there was a 1.8 in '76 - but I do know that this doesn't proof the reverse 
Posted by: 914 novice Jan 30 2005, 12:18 PM
I am trying to link to the new nada figure for your 76 2.0http://d.nadaguides.com/Values/ValueCategoryReport.asp?UserID=710908236C3AA&DID=38382&wSec=2&wPg=1207&CategoryId=7&MakeId=1144&VehicleId=44206&Year=1976&ColorId=
Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 30 2005, 12:25 PM
Here is my 76 owners manual. DD says he has met a guy that owns a 76 with the 1.8l. We discussed this very topic last year about the Vins and what was available. It was posted listings the number of 2.0l cars and 1.8l cars. Thats why there was listed for years that there were 4076 76 cars built. Those were the number of 2.0l's and the rest were 1.8's. There was a total of 4100 cars built.
Geoff
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Posted by: skline Jan 30 2005, 03:06 PM
I will STFU now. 
Posted by: davep Jan 30 2005, 04:14 PM
I'd want to see the COA for the 1976 1.8 before I'd believe it. They would be rarer than a Grasshopper.
Posted by: ws91420 Jan 30 2005, 04:48 PM
Just looked at a 76 sales brochure online no mention of a 1.8. I think on the 76 owners manual they just changed the year on it from the 75.
Posted by: redshift Jan 30 2005, 06:01 PM
| QUOTE (itsa914 @ Jan 30 2005, 11:04 AM) |
| But, hey you can never have to many 914s :o :lol: :headbang: |
Unless you are Nathan, and have one, that you abandon.
Are the last 1.8s (motors) not all 74 production?
M
Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 30 2005, 08:57 PM
I don't have the Vin data handy but it lists 25 1.8l in 76. They would be very rare indeed.
Geoff
Posted by: Gustl Jan 31 2005, 08:20 AM
| QUOTE (skline @ Jan 30 2005, 10:06 PM) |
| I will STFU now. |
could anybody explain STFU to me
Posted by: skline Jan 31 2005, 08:26 AM
Sure, it means Shut The F#$% Up.
Posted by: itsa914 Jan 31 2005, 08:27 AM
| QUOTE (Gustl B @ Jan 31 2005, 06:20 AM) | ||
could anybody explain STFU to me |
it means Shut the F_ck up
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Posted by: Gustl Jan 31 2005, 09:35 AM
now that makes sense ... maybe I should do the same about the '76 1.8
Posted by: ws91420 Jan 31 2005, 10:25 AM
From Porsche official website History of Porsche
1975: The Porsche 911enters the 1976 model year with only very minor modifications. Output of the "basic" version is boosted to 165 bhp/121 kW, the 911 S is dropped from the range. The Carrera 3.0 (2994 cc, 200 bhp/147 kW) is dropped after the plant shut-down in summer. In their last year of production, all models in the Porsche 914 range receive a two-liter power unit, with a reduction in compression and output to 95 bhp/70 kW. In autumn the 912 E (available only in the USA) also featuring a VW power unit (1971 cc, 90 bhp/66 kW) joins the 914 in the market.
Posted by: Gustl Jan 31 2005, 11:41 AM
| QUOTE (ws91420 @ Jan 31 2005, 05:25 PM) |
| In their last year of production, all models in the Porsche 914 range receive a two-liter power unit, with a reduction in compression and output to 95 bhp/70 kW. |
Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 31 2005, 02:26 PM
Yes, Porsche says lots of things about the 914's. Considering they kept poor records of what they actually built the accepted logic is that there was only 2.0l 76 cars.
There was only orange/white and black/yellow LE's too unless you are one of the few that has seen the green/white ones.
Geoff 
Posted by: cdmcse Jan 31 2005, 03:13 PM
Ok, I am little new to the 914 world, but I have read some of the stuff about the LE cars.
Does anyone actually have one of these grasshopper LEs, or is it just an unproven urban legend?
Posted by: davep Jan 31 2005, 03:19 PM
Still urban legend (coming from someone who has researched this for 20 years). I say still because there is room for the existance to be proven. I see two possibilities, they exist but are extremely rare, or they were not factory produced but were either dealer produced or owner produced. In this case factory produced is what is considered legit. I have heard of even more weird items, but have not see proof of anything.
LE Historian
Posted by: Gustl Jan 31 2005, 03:29 PM
just to bring a little more confusion to this topic:
| QUOTE |
| The IAA was followed in October 1973 by the Paris Salon where the company Karmann showed two particularly striking 914s. From these emerged the custom version 914 GT which was marketed in the USA as a limited edition. The striking paintwork was black with yellow bumpers, sills, side stripes, wheels, lower rear panel closure and front spoiler. An alternative version combined light ivory with green or orange. Well, the 70s was a colourful period. |
this text is from the http://content2.us.porsche.com/prod/classic/ClassicModels.nsf/usaenglish/BCD0185E9B497FFAC1256BFF00598F84?OpenDocument
Posted by: jd74914 Jan 31 2005, 03:37 PM
| QUOTE |
| I'd want to see the COA for the 1976 1.8 before I'd believe it. They would be rarer than a Grasshopper. |
I thought 76 was the scrap year, and they fitted them all with 2.0s, and fully optioned them.
| QUOTE |
| Yes, Porsche says lots of things about the 914's. Considering they kept poor records of what they actually built the accepted logic is that there was only 2.0l 76 cars. |
I still think the grasshopper might exist though 
Posted by: Gustl Jan 31 2005, 03:43 PM
| QUOTE (jd74914 @ Jan 31 2005, 10:37 PM) |
| I still think the grasshopper might exist though |
Posted by: ! Jan 31 2005, 04:29 PM
Depending on the state, up until the late 70s....left over cars were titled by the year they were sold not by model year. Only the VIN would tell you what it really was.....some states don't even issue titles for cars over 30 years old.
That policy really gets the 356 weenies all bunched up when you post a pic and the legend says it's one year and the body treatments show it as a previous year.....toward the end of the 914 production run....Porsche was concentrating on the 912E and the wasserpumpers that were to repalce the 914 and the 911. Only one of those dreams came true.
Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 31 2005, 04:54 PM
I have seen one Green/white one years ago.....I have seen and had on my old computer (til it crashed) the LE poster (copied off the 'net) with all three LE's lined up. I used it for a screensaver for a while....
Geoff
I have never seen Bigfoot!
Posted by: ws91420 Jan 31 2005, 05:03 PM
Is there any way to verify the two different paint codes on the cars for the LE or does it just show the main color code?
Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 31 2005, 05:14 PM
They are a standard Black or Ivory paint code...hmm, should be Ebony and Ivory.
Geoff
Posted by: ws91420 Jan 31 2005, 05:17 PM
But does the paint code for the orange or yellow show up on the car id tags?
Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 31 2005, 06:10 PM
nadda, its only on the rockers,valences and rims. Why you want the yellow paint on the paint code tag?
Posted by: SirAndy Jan 31 2005, 06:54 PM
from DGVWPB, page 199, bottom table:
1976 1.8
Engine Case Code: EC
Displacement: 1795cc
HP/rpm: 76/4800
stroke/bore: 66/93
compression: 7.3:1
injection: L-Jet
transmission: 914/12
Posted by: SirAndy Jan 31 2005, 07:00 PM
from DGVWPB, page 152, top table:
production numbers by production year (note: production years started in '69 and ended in '75, cars sold in '76 were *produced* in late '75)
1975
914-4 1.8L, 2455
914-4 2.0L, 5469
Total: 7924
Posted by: wrpspddrvr Jan 31 2005, 07:36 PM
Nerds. 
Cole 
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jan 31 2005, 08:54 PM
| QUOTE |
| I have never seen Bigfoot! |
Bigfoot has been proven to be a hoax...
Long live the 914 Grasshopper!
Posted by: ws91420 Jan 31 2005, 09:58 PM
| QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Jan 31 2005, 07:10 PM) |
| nadda, its only on the rockers,valences and rims. Why you want the yellow paint on the paint code tag? |
okay smart guy i was asking if the code for the second color would show up on the tag like on most vehicles if it was a two tone paint job to make it easier to verify if it was a true LE
Posted by: Bleyseng Jan 31 2005, 11:33 PM
nadda, the telltale signs are the vin range, grey headlite motor covers etc...
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jan 31 2005, 11:46 PM
Actually there is a special paint code for the LE cars, it is often, but not always listed on the COAs. Its not called 'paint code' though, I think the correct term is 'paint number', but I would need to verify that. The paint number for a black/yellow 914LE is U1V9 and for the white/red cars is U2V9. I have learned that the V9 part of that number means that the top is black....so the U1 and U2 are codes for the respective two tone paint schemes.
I have often wondered if the white/green LEs might be U3V9...but we would need to find an actually COA to verify it.
PS There is extensive information about the LE paint colors and other 914LE details on my 914 CanAm website at the link in my signature...
Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Jan 31 2005, 11:49 PM
Here is one 914 LE COA, there are several others on the Registry page of the 914 CanAm site:
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Posted by: Gustl Jan 31 2005, 11:54 PM
| QUOTE (SirAndy @ Feb 1 2005, 02:00 AM) |
| production numbers by production year (note: production years started in '69 and ended in '75, cars sold in '76 were *produced* in late '75) |
well, keep in mind that *production year* isn't equal to *model year*
model year chanched somewhen in late summer, so all 47629xxxxx cars are produced within 1975
I'd say, the question isn't if there are any 1.8 cars, produced in '76
the question is, if there are 47629xxxxx 1.8 cars?
Posted by: SirAndy Feb 1 2005, 12:55 AM
| QUOTE (Gustl B @ Jan 31 2005, 09:54 PM) |
| the question is, if there are 47629xxxxx 1.8 cars? |
correct.
that's why i posted my first post of the 2 stating that there was at least the *option* of having a 1.8L L-Jet in '76, according to the book.
it doesn't say that any of the 1.8L manufactured in '75 were sold in '76 with a '76 VIN, but looking at the numbers (roughly half as many 1.8 than 2.0) it seems very likely some of the '76 cars were actually 1.8L ...
Andy
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