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Posted by: xsboost90 Jan 31 2005, 06:55 PM
well i got my 911 front suspension all installed and drilled rear hubs, but the wheels im using-i guess- are leaving me w/ some problems. I got a set of adapters and spacers from a friend of mine that WOULD work but im having troubles w/ them fitting. The front adapter/spacer is an inch and a half wide but the center is made to go onto the rear axel. It is a quality part from a 911 and is heavy dooty, but if i machine the center out to fit over the front hub center, will it be too weak? Does anyone have a spacer this wide for the front?
the rear spacers are just too wide, either i need longer studs-which i cant seem to find anywhere local, or i need smaller spacers. The spacing on the rear wheel isnt bad but could come out like 1/4 to 1/2" w/o a problem but these are 3/4" and just arent working. Im thinking 1/4" would work fine since my rotors are not on right now either. I need to get some five lug rotors or drill mine soon to check fitment....
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Posted by: xsboost90 Jan 31 2005, 06:56 PM
and the rears
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Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 31 2005, 06:58 PM
ET 55 phone dials im betting... is it easier to just get the right offset phonies?
Posted by: Mueller Jan 31 2005, 07:02 PM
you can machine out the backside for the "hubcentric" ring...I have a set of 3/8" star 5-lug adapters I had to do that to...
for a 911, the hubcentric ring should be 58mm (the raised ring on the spacers should be the same dimension)
want to try the 3/8" spacers for the rear?
$10 plus shipping and they are yours....
Posted by: SirAndy Jan 31 2005, 07:08 PM
for the rear, get the 70mm studs ...
get them from your local dismantler. the 944 had them, so all you need to do is press them out of a 944 hub ...
as for the front, don't know about machining them, but i run a 1 1/4" spacer in the front that looks similar to yours.
werks just fine for me ...
Andy
Posted by: scotty b Jan 31 2005, 07:31 PM
Porsche changed the diameter for the hub sometime around 87 I beleive so later wheels and spacers don't work without machining the center. I don't recall exactly how much but it is just a c-hair. I actually can pull the rears (17" C2 turbo) down on my 944 but the fronts definitly have to be cut out.Good machinists can do it and it will be fine. 
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 31 2005, 07:41 PM
You should have said you were going with spacers... I would have spec'd a different stud for sure. DO NOT TRY TO USE SPACERS WITH THOSE STUDS. You'll need more engagement. You "may" get by with a 7mm spacer but that's the tops I would feel comfortable with. You want 14mm of engagement, minimum.
Don't go off and buy "any" studs until you've figured out your spacer issue. Porsche uses a 14x45mm Verbus stud for a "stock application". You need to add your spacer depth to that otherwise you'll have problems with the lug nuts I sent you.
E.G. If you're thinking a 1/4" spacer (7mm) then you'll need to add 7mm to the stock Verbus 45mm. 52mm Verbus studs are what you would need (not 70mm, the nuts would bottom out about 3/4" away from the wheel). Verbus measures the threaded portion so many people confuse the 45mm studs with 50mm studs.
You need to PM me if you plan on restudding those hubs. You may want to send them here. I can get Verbus 52's for around $4.00 each. The hubs now fit in the new USPS Priority Mail Box. The first box they came out with was too skinny. The new box works. $7.70 each way and two day delivery.
Oh... the good news? You'll probably need new bearings again 
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 31 2005, 07:44 PM
If you're thinking of spacers for the rear in that range... Buy Mueller's spacers (NOW!!!)
Posted by: xsboost90 Jan 31 2005, 07:48 PM
ok, the spacing on the rear is actually pretty close to correct, i would say max i would need a 7mm spacer, what about muellers 3/8" spacers?..Does this mean i can keep those studs? No way im pulling them back out!
The front...if i can put those on a lathe and take off JUST enough to clear the hubs bearing cap, then would that seem to be OK? They are so damn thick i would think so, just wanna be safe.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 31 2005, 07:54 PM
You metrics out there can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe 3/8" is 7.62mm
You can "probably" sneek by with that. I'd PM Mike M. NOW though $10.00 clams is a mighty righteous 914club Good Guy price.
Posted by: SirAndy Jan 31 2005, 08:05 PM
| QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Jan 31 2005, 05:41 PM) |
| not 70mm, the nuts would bottom out about 3/4" away from the wheel |
i always forget that most of you guys don't run open end lug nutz ...
Andy
Posted by: vsg914 Jan 31 2005, 08:12 PM
I believe 1/4" is very close to 8mm. 5mm is close to 3/16"
Posted by: SirAndy Jan 31 2005, 08:19 PM
| QUOTE (vsg914 @ Jan 31 2005, 06:12 PM) |
| I believe 1/4" is very close to 8mm. 5mm is close to 3/16" |
2.54
1" = 2.54 cm = 25.4 mm
1/4" = 25.4/4 = 6.35 mm
3/16" = 25.4/16*3 = 4.7625 mm
3/8" = 25.4/8*3 = 9.525 mm
7mm = 25.4/16*x = 4.41/16" = 2.205/8"
7.62mm = 25.4/16*x = 4.8/16" = 2.4/8"
AndyPS: am i the only one who thinks it's really odd that you guys use metric (100s) for the fractions of an inch ????
like 4.5" ? or even worse, 4.2' is NOT 4 feet 2" ...
Posted by: Aaron Cox Jan 31 2005, 08:57 PM
| QUOTE (SirAndy @ Jan 31 2005, 07:19 PM) |
| PS: am i the only one who thinks it's really odd that you guys use metric (100s) for the fractions of an inch ???? like 4.5" ? or even worse, 4.2' is NOT 4 feet 2" ... |
i agree dude...
base 10 is so much easier....
now, why the hell doesnt a clock use a base ten system???? 100 sec etc
Posted by: Eric_Shea Jan 31 2005, 09:02 PM
Base on Andy's conversion I would be skeptical about using 3/8" spacers. One thing to check is the spacer and wheel on the car. The Phone Dials may be thinner than the Fuchs at the mounting surface but, I doubt it.
Slap it all together and measure the length of thread you have to engage. It should be 14mm or more.
Posted by: ! Jan 31 2005, 09:16 PM
Mueller....I'll take them if he don't....
Posted by: vsg914 Jan 31 2005, 09:19 PM
| QUOTE (SirAndy @ Jan 31 2005, 08:19 PM) |
| PS: am i the only one who thinks it's really odd that you guys use metric (100s) for the fractions of an inch ???? like 4.5" ? or even worse, 4.2' is NOT 4 feet 2" ... :wacko: |
Never heard anyone say 4.2'. Feet and inches are calculated in fractions. Machinist convert fractions to 1000's of an inch. Most all industy is "slowly" changing to metrics. Hell, even the cabinet industry is almost all metrics now. My shelf pegs are 5mm. My shelf hole gang drill is 32mm centers. my 1/4" plywood is now 7mm. Try fitting a 7mm drawer bottom into a 1/4" dado!!!
, but 4.2 feet don't make sense! 4'2", 42", but not 4.2'.
Posted by: xsboost90 Jan 31 2005, 09:58 PM
ok, i bought mueller's spacers and i will try them out on my car. I just bought some open end steel lugs so i should have a pretty good idea how far the lug is on the stud. Ill try that and if i cant use them i will offer them back up to...Mikez.
I took my front adapters to my buds house and checked out clearance on another hub. The back of the adapter has a indentation for hubcentric and it is the same width-basically- as the hub center on the front. He is machining the centers out something like 1/2" or in this case...12.7mm? towards the outside and it should fit right over the hub. Good deal..ill let you know. 
Posted by: xsboost90 Jan 31 2005, 10:03 PM
you guys ROCK! 
Posted by: Headrage Jan 31 2005, 10:08 PM
| QUOTE (SirAndy @ Jan 31 2005, 06:19 PM) |
| PS: am i the only one who thinks it's really odd that you guys use metric (100s) for the fractions of an inch ???? like 4.5" ? or even worse, 4.2' is NOT 4 feet 2" ... |
Maybe, but I'm in the same spot. Rather that 1/4 of an inch I like 0.250.
Posted by: Andyrew Feb 1 2005, 01:29 AM
I'll buy those spacers with studs off ya (the ones that look like they measure 1 and 1/2 in...) if you dont need em.....
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