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914World.com _ 914World Garage _ LED Front Turnsignal And Rear Brake/Taillight/Turnsignal Group Buy

Posted by: Spoke Jan 15 2015, 10:25 PM

This is a group buy for front turnsignal bucket LED boards, rear tail/brake light LED boards, and rear turnsignal LED boards.

Please respond to this thread if you are interested. Purchase requests will be handled in order as they are recieved in this thread.

The only thing group buy of these boards are the bare PCBs. The boards are hand assembled one by one, tested and delivered as they are finished. I will not request payment until your PCBs are to be assembled. Time between payment and shipping should be about 2 weeks. This group buy will last several months so please be patient.

I will PM you when I am prepared to assemble your boards. If I PM you and your plans have changed, please let me know.

Front LED and rear LED boards will be shipped separately. Shipping for CONUS for front or rear LED boards is $10.

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Now is a good time to seal up the front and rear buckets to protect your LED board investments.

I am very pleased to be able to offer bundle pricing for front and rear bucket and rear lens seals by 914Rubber for anyone purchasing front or rear LED boards.

Prices:
Front bucket seals: $12.50 savings of 24% over retail
Rear housing seals: $16.00 savings of 33% over retail
Rear lens beads: $5.00 savings of $28% over retail

http://shop.914rubber.com/New-OEM-style-front-turn-signal-seals-set-of-2-914FTS2N.htm

http://shop.914rubber.com/914-Tail-light-gasket-set-914TLGS.htm

http://shop.914rubber.com/914-rear-tail-light-lens-seal-914TLLS.htm

Posted by: Spoke Jan 15 2015, 10:28 PM

The rear LED board is available in 3 different configurations:

1) Brake Light: RED LEDs: Price: $90/pair
2) Turnsignal: RED LEDs: Price: $90/pair
3) Turnsignal: AMBER LEDs: Price: $90/pair

Shipping:
CONUS: $10
Outside CONUS: Determined at purchase.

CONUS payment examples:
Brake LED only: $90 + $10 = $100
Brake LED and RED/AMBER Turnsignal LED: $180 + $10 = $190

Each pair includes:
o 2 PCBs
o Brake/Taillights: 56 RED LEDs
o Turnsignals:56 AMBER (Euro) or RED (US) LEDs - Rearward facing; 8 side-facing LEDs to replace the small side running light. Side LEDs are AMBER (Euro) or RED (US) to match taillight lens.

Electrical Connection:
o Brake: Pigtail with 1157 base to plug directly into existing bulb socket.
o Turnsignal: Pigtail with 1156 base (turnsignal) and 5007 base (small side light)

6 clips for each pair to mount the boards to existing taillight housing for plug-n-play installation.

6 screws per PCB pair for clips + 1 extra

1 piggyback spade connector per turnsignal PCB pair in case existing turnsignal flasher is replaced by EP36 LED flasher from your FLAPS.

1 year guarantee

Electrical Characteristics:
Brake/Turnsignal: 0.35A @ 14V (4.9 Watt) each PCB
Taillight: 0.06A @ 14V (0.8 Watt) each PCB

Example boards shown with early prototype brass clips. Clips are plastic for these boards.


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Posted by: Spoke Jan 15 2015, 10:28 PM

The front bucket LED board is available in 3 different configurations:

1) US Version: All AMBER LEDs: $120/pair
2) Euro Version - No Blanking: WHITE LEDs in clear of lens; Rest AMBER LEDs: Price: $130/pair
3) Euro Version - w/Blanking: WHITE LEDs in clear of lens; Rest AMBER LEDs: Price: $140/pair

Shipping:
CONUS: $10
Outside CONUS: Determined at purchase.

CONUS payment examples:
US Version: $120 + $10 = $130
Euro Version - No Blanking: $130 + $10 = $140
Euro Version - w/Blanking: $140 + $10 = $150

Each pair includes:
o 2 PCBs
o US Version: 69 AMBER LEDs.
o Euro Versions: 21 WHITE LEDS (Running lights) and 48 AMBER LEDs (Turnsignal).

Euro Version with optional blanking will turn off WHITE LEDs when turnsignal is engaged.

Pigtail with 1157 base to plug directly into existing bulb socket.

4 clips for each pair to mount the boards to existing front bucket housing for plug-n-play installation.

4 screws for clips + 1 extra

1 piggyback spade connector if existing turnsignal flasher is replaced by EP36 LED flasher from your FLAPS.

1 year guarantee

Electrical Characteristics US version:
Turnsignal: 0.39A @ 14V (5 Watt) each PCB
Running light: 0.07A @ 14V (1 Watt) each PCB

Example front LED board shown with only tools needed: large Philips screwdriver for lens screws and smaller Philips screwdriver for PCB mounting screw.

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Posted by: Spoke Jan 15 2015, 10:44 PM

Installation of the rear LED boards.

For the brake/tailight PCB, 2 long straight clips go toward the inside of the car, one short clip on the outside of the car. Screw in screws so the clips are loose.

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After removing the bulb and securing the LED bulb base, gently press in the board evenly side to side.

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Once the board is seated, gently tighten screws until tight. Try not to overtighten.

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For the turnsignal PCBs, screw in the 2 long clips with a bend on the side of the board with 2 holes. The side with one hole uses the largest clip mounted on the bottom of the board as shown. You can gently tighten the clips before mounting.

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After removing the bulb and securing the LED bulb base, gently press in the board evenly side to side.

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The clearance of the lens and the clips between the brake and turnsignal is very tight. Make sure the lens does not get caught on the clips. It should fit right between the clips.
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Posted by: Spoke Jan 15 2015, 11:00 PM

Installation of the front turnsignal bucket LED boards.

There are 2 clips for each board. The small one goes in front the the long one on the rear.

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Screw in the rear clip.

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The small front clip mounts on the top of the board. These will be screwed in when I build the board. The bottom of the board will contact the bucket base to keep the board straight.

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Here's the board ready for installation with the bulb base connected.

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When installing the board, make sure the pigtail does not interfere with the rear clip.

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Gently slide the board in. There are slots on either side of the board to clear the guides on the sides of the bucket.

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Ready for the lens. The lens will hold the board in place. If you need to reposition the board, do not grab the LEDs as they will move. Use a paper clip or similar wire to pull the board out.

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Posted by: siverson Jan 16 2015, 12:11 AM

I'll take a full set!

front: Brake Light: RED LEDs + Turnsignal: AMBER LEDs
rear: Euro Version - w/Blanking

Thanks!

-Steve

Posted by: Firstcar Jan 16 2015, 02:05 AM

Jerry,
I'll take a set of the front bucket LED board Euro Version - w/Blanking and a piggyback spade connector for the new relay! Thanks
-Scott

Posted by: A&P Mech Jan 16 2015, 06:59 AM

I am in for a full set. I would like the US version for the front buckets as well as the rear brake light and turn signals.

Thanks,
Ray

Posted by: griffindoug Jan 16 2015, 07:03 AM

Spoke,

I would like a set of the rear Red Brake, and amber turns with shipping for 190.00

Thanks
Doug

Posted by: peteyd Jan 16 2015, 07:12 AM

Please put me down for a front bucket LED board in the US Version

Thank you,

Pete

Posted by: chads74 Jan 16 2015, 07:16 AM

I am in for a front set option 3) Euro Version - w/Blanking: WHITE LEDs in clear of lens; Rest AMBER LEDs:

I remember seeing something about needing something additional to make the blinkers work if you have front and rear LEDs installed. Am I remembering correctly?

Posted by: Steve Snyder Jan 16 2015, 07:21 AM

I would like a set of rear brake boards (just the brakes: $90 + shipping) and a set of front Euro turn signal boards with no blanking ($130 + shipping).
I do not need any seals, but thank you for making that option available.

Posted by: Zimms Jan 16 2015, 07:47 AM

I am in for front turn signals, euro, non blanking

Posted by: RobW Jan 16 2015, 08:24 AM

Cool. Very Cool. aktion035.gif

Posted by: Steve Jan 16 2015, 09:06 AM

I'm in for the following:
Front:
Euro Version - w/Blanking: $140 + $10 = $150

Posted by: R_u_dd Jan 16 2015, 09:25 AM

I am interested in the Euro Front amber/white, so that I may use the front light as a white running light and turn signal. I have no side turn signals up front, so I need the blinking capability. Is that what blanking is? Please explain. So, yes put me down for a front end Euro configuration. Thanks

Posted by: GermermanCarGuy Jan 16 2015, 10:09 AM

Still in for:
Rear Brakes Lights (pr)
Rear Amber Turn Signals (pr)
and Front Euro w/blanking (pr)


Very excited. piratenanner.gif


Please bundle with complete seal package (f/r) as advertised in your Posted Feb 5 2015, 08:59 PM post.


Still excited. piratenanner.gifpiratenanner.gif

Posted by: rnellums Jan 16 2015, 10:17 AM

Sign me up for a pair of the us front turn signals! I love my rears!

-Ross

Posted by: StratPlayer Jan 16 2015, 10:21 AM

I'm in for a set. Front Euro's....

Posted by: 75-914 Jan 16 2015, 01:54 PM

Count me in for front/ rear euro type

Posted by: Jetsetsurfshop Jan 16 2015, 03:23 PM

Is there any photos or a video with these lights in action?

Posted by: cconcepcion Jan 16 2015, 03:33 PM

1 front set-euro-blanking please..

Posted by: dr.tim Jan 16 2015, 03:59 PM

Front, Option 3, please.

Euro Version - w/Blanking: $140 + $10 = $150


Posted by: Rleog Jan 16 2015, 06:21 PM

I'll take a set of front LED boards, Euro version with blanking.

Thanks

Posted by: MATTYLITE Jan 16 2015, 08:17 PM

I'd like to purchase:

The Rear LED board,

- Brake Light: RED LEDs: Price: $90/pair
- Turnsignal: AMBER LEDs: Price: $90/pair

+ Shipping, etc.

Thanks!
Matt

Posted by: zambezi Jan 16 2015, 10:15 PM

I am in for a front set in the US configuration. I already have the rears and love them.
Jim

Posted by: Spoke Jan 16 2015, 11:31 PM

Some comparisons of the rear LEDs with standard bulbs in daylight at about 25 feet away. Turnsignals:



Brakes in daylight. Brake lights were connected to flasher wire since my wife said sitting in the car hitting the brakes while I shoot the video was "stupid".



Turnsignals and Brakes in the dark:


Posted by: Spoke Jan 16 2015, 11:41 PM

Some videos of the front LEDs. This is the Euro version.

First the turnsignals; then just the running light. For the turnsignal, the US lens is on. For the running light, the lens is removed.

I wanted to observe the angle of incidence on the LEDs. These LEDs have 15 degree 1/2 power angle. So for the turnsignals and running lights, I varied the angle of viewing from about +/- 45 degrees from the front of the car. I was about 30 feet away.



Now the running light with the US lens off.


Posted by: Spoke Jan 16 2015, 11:44 PM

Here's one of the front LEDs with running light blanking. The running lights cut out immediately when the turnsignals light and stay off about 1 second after the turnsignals turn off.

Here's a close up of the blanking circuitry.

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In this video, I'm using the EP36 flasher from AutoZone. The LED board is the only load on the flasher and it flashes at the expected rate.


Posted by: Spoke Jan 16 2015, 11:52 PM

Here's a clip of the non-blanking front turnsignal. The clip also compares the LED turnsignal on the passenger side to the standard bulb on the driver side.

Light intensity measurements show the US LED front PCB turnsignals to be about 6x as bright as the existing bulb. The Euro version (48 LED vs 69 LED in US version) should be about 4x as bright as the existing bulb.


Posted by: echocanyons Jan 17 2015, 02:20 PM

I would like a pair of the euro versions with blanking.

Thank you!

Posted by: aharder Jan 17 2015, 03:14 PM

I'm in for a set of Front, US Amber
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Posted by: bobo914 Jan 17 2015, 03:21 PM

Spoke, I have clear front lenses. What style would you recommend?

Posted by: mepstein Jan 17 2015, 03:22 PM

I'll take an amber front and red brake and turn signal rear. Thanks, mark

Posted by: Outbackskip Jan 18 2015, 03:42 AM

Hi there,

First of all, compliments on your design of the LED boards, just beautifull thumb3d.gif

Would it be possible to get a complete set sent to The Netherlands, Europe?

If yes, I'm in for: Front Euro w/blanking $140 + ?, and Rear Brake RED and Turn Amber $180 + ?

I don't know what the P&P will be but I reacon you're going to let me know about that.

Hope we can work things out, I'll be waiting patiently,

Thank you,
Skip

Posted by: Spoke Jan 18 2015, 10:35 AM

QUOTE(bobo914 @ Jan 17 2015, 04:21 PM) *

Spoke, I have clear front lenses. What style would you recommend?


You can do either US (all amber; LEDs on dimly with parking/headlights) or Euro (amber on top, cool white on the bottom; Whites are on brightly with parking/headlights). Depends on what look you want.

Posted by: Spoke Jan 18 2015, 10:39 AM

QUOTE(Outbackskip @ Jan 18 2015, 04:42 AM) *

Hi there,

First of all, compliments on your design of the LED boards, just beautifull thumb3d.gif

Would it be possible to get a complete set sent to The Netherlands, Europe?

If yes, I'm in for: Front Euro w/blanking $140 + ?, and Rear Brake RED and Turn Amber $180 + ?

I don't know what the P&P will be but I reacon you're going to let me know about that.

Hope we can work things out, I'll be waiting patiently,

Thank you,
Skip


Shipping to Europe is not an issue. I sent some LEDs to Germany last year through US postal service. It was less expensive than UPS/Fedex but tracking sucked. I would recommend one of the main carriers. If you know a good way to ship, please let me know.

Posted by: clapeza Jan 18 2015, 11:51 AM

I'm in for one set of front turn signals, option 2) Euro Version - No Blanking.

Thanks,

Chester

Posted by: kid914 Jan 18 2015, 12:41 PM

QUOTE(griffindoug @ Jan 16 2015, 08:03 AM) *

Spoke,

I would like a set of the rear Red Brake, and amber turns with shipping for 190.00

Thanks
Doug



Same for me spoke! piratenanner.gif drooley.gif

Posted by: ConeDodger Jan 18 2015, 01:39 PM

In.

Euro front and rear.

Posted by: Outbackskip Jan 18 2015, 03:18 PM

QUOTE(Spoke @ Jan 18 2015, 08:39 AM) *

QUOTE(Outbackskip @ Jan 18 2015, 04:42 AM) *

Hi there,

First of all, compliments on your design of the LED boards, just beautifull thumb3d.gif

Would it be possible to get a complete set sent to The Netherlands, Europe?

If yes, I'm in for: Front Euro w/blanking $140 + ?, and Rear Brake RED and Turn Amber $180 + ?

I don't know what the P&P will be but I reacon you're going to let me know about that.

Hope we can work things out, I'll be waiting patiently,

Thank you,
Skip


Shipping to Europe is not an issue. I sent some LEDs to Germany last year through US postal service. It was less expensive than UPS/Fedex but tracking sucked. I would recommend one of the main carriers. If you know a good way to ship, please let me know.


I would rather go for a good, reliable carrier and having the products here safe & sound than not knowing if they would ever arrive instead of saving a buck or two.
Just let me know what the total costs will be.

Thanks, Skip

Posted by: mepstein Jan 18 2015, 03:52 PM

QUOTE(Outbackskip @ Jan 18 2015, 04:18 PM) *

QUOTE(Spoke @ Jan 18 2015, 08:39 AM) *

QUOTE(Outbackskip @ Jan 18 2015, 04:42 AM) *

Hi there,

First of all, compliments on your design of the LED boards, just beautifull thumb3d.gif

Would it be possible to get a complete set sent to The Netherlands, Europe?

If yes, I'm in for: Front Euro w/blanking $140 + ?, and Rear Brake RED and Turn Amber $180 + ?

I don't know what the P&P will be but I reacon you're going to let me know about that.

Hope we can work things out, I'll be waiting patiently,

Thank you,
Skip


Shipping to Europe is not an issue. I sent some LEDs to Germany last year through US postal service. It was less expensive than UPS/Fedex but tracking sucked. I would recommend one of the main carriers. If you know a good way to ship, please let me know.



I would rather go for a good, reliable carrier and having the products here safe & sound than not knowing if they would ever arrive instead of saving a buck or two.
Just let me know what the total costs will be.

Thanks, Skip

Lately, I've sold stuff to the UK, Denmark, Italy, France, Germany and Australia. USPS has worked just fine for me. Nothing special, just packed carefully.

Posted by: IanS Jan 18 2015, 10:02 PM

Put me down for front US signals please!
already have the rears

Posted by: jfort Jan 19 2015, 09:19 AM

I am in for a full set. I would like the US version for the front buckets as well as the rear brake light and turn signals

Jeff Fort

Posted by: monkeyboy Jan 19 2015, 11:38 AM

I will take a set of the US Fronts.

I already have your taillight sets and they are awesome!

Posted by: abnrdo Jan 20 2015, 09:10 AM

Spoke,

I have been waiting to post this for awhile.

I'm in for: Front Euro w/blanking $140; Rear Brake RED and Turn Amber $180!

Cant wait to add these to my project.

Thanks,

Jim

Posted by: Spoke Jan 28 2015, 10:40 PM

Making some progress on the front lights. Going slower than I hoped. These more complicated to make than the rears because of the blanking circuit and that the LEDs must be soldered with the body of the LED 115mils off the board so they can be pointed forward when mounted on the vehicle.


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Posted by: Briby37 Jan 29 2015, 09:57 AM

I'm down for a full set, please. US for the front buckets and the rear brake light and turn signals. These are looking great!

Posted by: cn2800 Jan 29 2015, 10:24 AM

If you're still taking orders, I'd like to request front turn signals, rear turn signals, and brake lights, all US spec. Thanks!

Posted by: Spoke Jan 31 2015, 09:26 AM

QUOTE(cn2800 @ Jan 29 2015, 11:24 AM) *

If you're still taking orders, I'd like to request front turn signals, rear turn signals, and brake lights, all US spec. Thanks!


Yes, still taking orders. These boards take a long time to assemble and thus we'll be doing this for a few months. Requests are handled in order so we'll be in touch via PM when we're ready to make boards for you.


Posted by: Spoke Jan 31 2015, 10:10 AM

A couple of folks have had issues installing the bulb bases into the existing sockets. Much of the difficulty has to do with the existing socket which is over 40 years old and may likely have suffered from aging and moisture. This makes the bulbs hard to install/remove and can affect the electrical connection to the bulb.

This is a good time to do some preventive maintenance on the socket to improve electrical connectivity and ease installation of the LED bulb bases or even the standard bulbs.

Here's an example of a bulb with severe oxidation and crud that came off of my 930. This bulb was so hard to remove that I thought the bulb was going to break in my hand as I removed it. Likewise the socket looked in the same condition. I connected an LED board for the 911 in its place and it didn't light up at all. I had to clean the socket with a wire wheel on my Dremel before the LEDs would light up.

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After cleaning the socket with a wire wheel, or scraping the crud with a small screwdriver, dielectric grease like this one are available at your FLAPS for less than $2 goes a long way to improving electrical contact and easing installation of bulbs/LEDs.

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Posted by: Spoke Feb 4 2015, 12:06 PM

I've been thinking of ways to provide a handle to help assist the installation of the bulb bases. Thought about a piece of metal, wood, or plastic but nothing seemed to fit the bill.

Then I tried a piece of circuit board. Seems like it would give a good grip for installation and would not short out the wires if they touched. What I did was chop up some old boards we had lying around work. I will try this on these boards.

Would it take away from the product if I used old circuit boards for the handles? I could state that we're using recycled materials to be more ecologically friendly. Your feedback is welcome.


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Posted by: clapeza Feb 4 2015, 12:58 PM

That'd be great! I buggered up one of my tail light bulb bases trying to get a good grip so it would turn and engage in the socket. This "green solution" is a great idea!

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 4 2015, 01:06 PM

Great idea and eco-friendly too. The world and the 914 wins! bye1.gif

Posted by: Spoke Feb 5 2015, 09:59 PM

Now is a good time to seal up the front and rear buckets to protect your LED board investments.

I am very pleased to be able to offer bundle pricing for front and rear bucket and rear lens seals by 914Rubber for anyone purchasing front or rear LED boards.

Prices:
Front bucket seals: $12.50 savings of 24% over retail
Rear housing seals: $16.00 savings of 33% over retail
Rear lens beads: $5.00 savings of $28% over retail

http://shop.914rubber.com/New-OEM-style-front-turn-signal-seals-set-of-2-914FTS2N.htm

http://shop.914rubber.com/914-Tail-light-gasket-set-914TLGS.htm

http://shop.914rubber.com/914-rear-tail-light-lens-seal-914TLLS.htm

Posted by: cn2800 Feb 6 2015, 12:10 AM

QUOTE(Spoke @ Feb 5 2015, 10:59 PM) *

Now is a good time to seal up the front and rear buckets to protect your LED board investments.

I am very pleased to be able to offer bundle pricing for front and rear bucket and rear lens seals by 914Rubber for anyone purchasing front or rear LED boards.

Prices:
Front bucket seals: $12.50 savings of 24% over retail
Rear housing seals: $16.00 savings of 33% over retail
Rear lens beads: $5.00 savings of $28% over retail

http://shop.914rubber.com/New-OEM-style-front-turn-signal-seals-set-of-2-914FTS2N.htm

http://shop.914rubber.com/914-Tail-light-gasket-set-914TLGS.htm

http://shop.914rubber.com/914-rear-tail-light-lens-seal-914TLLS.htm


Bundle me, please! Additionally, you can put my LED assemblies at the tail end of your build schedule. I won't be needing them until next fall at the earliest.

Posted by: kid914 Feb 6 2015, 09:04 AM

Is this another thread? I didn't see my post. blink.gif

In for a set of front ambers...and rear reds.
Thanks beerchug.gif

Posted by: Spoke Feb 9 2015, 07:43 PM

QUOTE(kid914 @ Feb 6 2015, 10:04 AM) *

Is this another thread? I didn't see my post. blink.gif

In for a set of front ambers...and rear reds.
Thanks beerchug.gif


This is the right thread. Got you on the list from the previous thread.

It's been slow getting all the cogs going for this project. Just received the first batch of clips for the fronts and rears. Things are going to start happening now. I gotta get my own 3d printer. dry.gif



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Posted by: euro911 Feb 13 2015, 02:56 AM

QUOTE(Spoke @ Feb 4 2015, 10:06 AM) *
I've been thinking of ways to provide a handle to help assist the installation of the bulb bases. Thought about a piece of metal, wood, or plastic but nothing seemed to fit the bill.

Then I tried a piece of circuit board. Seems like it would give a good grip for installation and would not short out the wires if they touched. What I did was chop up some old boards we had lying around work. I will try this on these boards.

Would it take away from the product if I used old circuit boards for the handles? I could state that we're using recycled materials to be more ecologically friendly. Your feedback is welcome.
I'm good with it shades.gif

Are you going to glue the boards into the bulb bases?

Posted by: GermermanCarGuy Feb 13 2015, 09:37 AM

QUOTE(Spoke @ Feb 5 2015, 08:59 PM) *

Now is a good time to seal up the front and rear buckets to protect your LED board investments.

I am very pleased to be able to offer bundle pricing for front and rear bucket and rear lens seals by 914Rubber for anyone purchasing front or rear LED boards.

Prices:
Front bucket seals: $12.50 savings of 24% over retail
Rear housing seals: $16.00 savings of 33% over retail
Rear lens beads: $5.00 savings of $28% over retail

http://shop.914rubber.com/New-OEM-style-front-turn-signal-seals-set-of-2-914FTS2N.htm

http://shop.914rubber.com/914-Tail-light-gasket-set-914TLGS.htm

http://shop.914rubber.com/914-rear-tail-light-lens-seal-914TLLS.htm


Spoke,

When the seals come in, I'd be in for a complete set all the way around. Just let me now. Thanks

Posted by: morgan_harwell Feb 13 2015, 09:49 AM

Howdy,

I would like to place my order in the queue.

Question about the Front Euro LEDs.
Are the Amber LEDs lit (on) when the TurnSignal is not engaged?

Front:
#2, Euro non-blanking LED

Rear:
#1, Red Brake LED
#3, Amber TurnSignal LED

Seals:
Front bucket seals: $12.50
Rear housing seals: $16.00
Rear lens beads: $5.00

Thanks,
--Moe--

Posted by: Spoke Feb 13 2015, 04:40 PM

QUOTE(euro911 @ Feb 13 2015, 03:56 AM) *

Are you going to glue the boards into the bulb bases?


Yes. I fill the bases with epoxy then install the handle. The epoxy locks the wires in place so they won't work loose from the base. The handles are in rock solid. So installation can be done with a pair of pliers or your fingers. Should make installation very easy.


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Posted by: Spoke Feb 13 2015, 05:41 PM

We had a bit of a hangup on the first rear LED boards. The assembly was done incorrectly on the first 18 boards. The boards cannot be reworked. Just thrown in the garbage. They are trashed. dry.gif

So there will be a delay on the rear boards until we make more. I will PM those for whom these boards were being built.

The fronts are coming along fine. Will be shipping out the first sets of fronts this week.

Posted by: cary Feb 14 2015, 12:18 AM

QUOTE(Spoke @ Feb 13 2015, 02:40 PM) *

QUOTE(euro911 @ Feb 13 2015, 03:56 AM) *

Are you going to glue the boards into the bulb bases?


Yes. I fill the bases with epoxy then install the handle. The epoxy locks the wires in place so they won't work loose from the base. The handles are in rock solid. So installation can be done with a pair of pliers or your fingers. Should make installation very easy.


That will work ..................
It doesn't need to be very tall. Just enough to grab with fingers or pliers.

Posted by: Spoke Feb 14 2015, 12:39 AM

QUOTE(cary @ Feb 14 2015, 01:18 AM) *

QUOTE(Spoke @ Feb 13 2015, 02:40 PM) *

QUOTE(euro911 @ Feb 13 2015, 03:56 AM) *

Are you going to glue the boards into the bulb bases?


Yes. I fill the bases with epoxy then install the handle. The epoxy locks the wires in place so they won't work loose from the base. The handles are in rock solid. So installation can be done with a pair of pliers or your fingers. Should make installation very easy.


That will work ..................
It doesn't need to be very tall. Just enough to grab with fingers or pliers.


The size was chosen from a long thin board we had laying around at work that I chopped up to make the handles. The board was about 1 inch wide.

Posted by: cary Feb 23 2015, 10:10 PM

My new front LED boards have arrived. A beautiful thing ...............
They slipped right in. I already had new 914 Rubber seals. They had compressed into their new shape. So it was a little tight.

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Posted by: cary Feb 23 2015, 10:15 PM

Lights, camera and action.


Posted by: Spoke Feb 23 2015, 10:48 PM

Looks good Cary. Are you using the stock 914 flasher or EP36 or other?

A couple of notes:

1) Great video. So glad to see the LEDs working with your flasher. Keep in mind that the LEDs are pointed directly towards the front and rear of the vehicle to maximizes the intensity of the LEDs towards the other vehicles on the road.

2) The early stock 914 flasher (with L & R dash indicators) seems to work fine if the dash indicators are rewired so the common wire normally from the K lug on the flasher are connected to ground. This little bit of resistive load seems to cause the flasher to flash normally with LEDs front and rear. My 914 is wired this way and the flasher will flash normally even with both front and rear lights removed. Another 914World member with LEDs front and rear got his early flasher to work only after rewiring the dash indicators.

3) I'm adding a 1k ohm resistor across the turnsignal wires on the front and rear boards to add at least a little bit of resistive signature to help flashers see the LED loads. Not sure how much this helps but it's easy to do.

4) Some folks had observed the tight intensity profile of the LEDs. We had been using 15 degree LEDs. For the amber turnsignals, we're now using 30 degree LEDs. The head-on intensity is less but the light pattern is wider. The red LEDs are only available in quantity in the 15 degree packages so we'll continue with the 15 degree red LEDs.

Posted by: Spoke Feb 23 2015, 10:55 PM

QUOTE(morgan_harwell @ Feb 13 2015, 10:49 AM) *

Howdy,

I would like to place my order in the queue.

Question about the Front Euro LEDs.
Are the Amber LEDs lit (on) when the TurnSignal is not engaged?

Front:
#2, Euro non-blanking LED

Rear:
#1, Red Brake LED
#3, Amber TurnSignal LED

Seals:
Front bucket seals: $12.50
Rear housing seals: $16.00
Rear lens beads: $5.00

Thanks,
--Moe--


PM sent on the seals.

On the Euro versions with the white LEDS, the amber LEDs are currently not gently lit with the running lights. I've opted not to do this for fear the flasher would not work since the flasher would see no load below about 7V and may not flash. I'd be willing to try it for you if you're willing to test it out.

This could also be done on the rear US red turnsignals. This would provide the 914 with a wider running light profile. One 914world member had issues getting his flasher to flash with the turnsignal LEDs gently lit with the running lights on.

Posted by: cary Feb 24 2015, 07:31 AM

I have both the EP36 flasher and have wired both the flasher lamps to the common.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 24 2015, 08:05 AM

Spoke- I like the idea of having the lights gently lit with the running lights - especially in the rear where it gives a wider profile. Great idea.

Posted by: GermermanCarGuy Feb 24 2015, 08:46 AM

[QUOTE] Spoke- I like the idea of having the lights gently lit with the running lights - especially in the rear where it gives a wider profile. Great idea. [QUOTE]

Concur. It's all about visibility.

Posted by: Spoke Feb 25 2015, 06:41 AM

QUOTE(GermermanCarGuy @ Feb 24 2015, 09:46 AM) *

Spoke- I like the idea of having the lights gently lit with the running lights - especially in the rear where it gives a wider profile. Great idea.

Concur. It's all about visibility.


Rob,

I can make this change to your boards. Let me know.

As soon as someone requests this function (amber lights on gently with white running lights on) I will take a video of it in action.

Posted by: GermermanCarGuy Feb 25 2015, 08:55 AM

QUOTE(Spoke @ Feb 25 2015, 05:41 AM) *

QUOTE(GermermanCarGuy @ Feb 24 2015, 09:46 AM) *

Spoke- I like the idea of having the lights gently lit with the running lights - especially in the rear where it gives a wider profile. Great idea.

Concur. It's all about visibility.


Rob,

I can make this change to your boards. Let me know.

As soon as someone requests this function (amber lights on gently with white running lights on) I will take a video of it in action.


Rears only, please. I'll be okay with the fronts as is.

Thanks again.

Posted by: morgan_harwell Feb 25 2015, 10:52 AM

>On the Euro versions with the white LEDS, the amber LEDs are currently not gently lit with the running lights. I've opted not to do this for fear the flasher would not work since the flasher would see no load below about 7V and may not flash. I'd be willing to try it for you if you're willing to test it out.

>As soon as someone requests this function (amber lights on gently with white running lights on) I will take a video of it in action.

If you can do this easily, I am interested, even if it costs me an extra $10.

Thanks,
--Moe--

Posted by: type47fan Feb 25 2015, 10:29 PM

Hi Mr. Wizard,

Front pair only, Option 3,

Euro Version-w/Blanking:

$140.00 front euro kit
$ 12.50 (front bucket seals)
$ 16.00 (rear housing seals)
$ 5.00 (rear lens beads)
$ 10.00 shipping

$183.50 Total

Thanks!

Watch this space . . . .

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Posted by: abnrdo Feb 27 2015, 05:10 PM

Spoke, cant wait to get mine! No rush, just want you to know that I am really looking forward to your product!

beerchug.gif

Posted by: 914four Mar 1 2015, 08:36 AM

I am interested in a full set of the US version (front and back). I'm unclear if you are able to provide the running lights gently on or not but would like this option if it is available.

Kelvin

Posted by: Steve Snyder Mar 5 2015, 01:03 PM

Got my fronts and rear brakes installed this morning. What a difference! Absolutely a must for safety.

Posted by: racerbvd Mar 5 2015, 10:16 PM

Are you open to any trades for a few complete sets??

Posted by: Spoke Mar 6 2015, 06:35 PM

QUOTE(racerbvd @ Mar 5 2015, 11:16 PM) *

Are you open to any trades for a few complete sets??


An old wise man once told me "everything in this world is negotiable".

PM sent.

Posted by: eric9144 Mar 13 2015, 02:59 PM

Purists and CW's rejoice, this is a 100% non-intrusive upgrade that every owner should consider if funds are available. Totally plug and play...

Damn I am happy with the results!! THANK YOU JERRY! first.gif

Posted by: Spoke Apr 4 2015, 02:04 PM

I want to thank all those who purchased LED lights. We're having fun making these and I hope they met and exceeded your expectations. More than that I hope they keep you safe while tooling around in your 914.

This is the last call for LEDs if interested. We have a few board sets in progress and a couple of sets left over. I'll be in Hershey with a couple of sets as well as a couple of sets of 911 brake LEDs. The remainder not sold will probably end up on ebay.


Thanks again! beerchug.gif


We're going to be doing some 911 brake and (I hope) rear turnsignal LEDs next. I made a video of how to replace the 911 brake lights. Took just about 3 minutes for one side including removing and replacing the lens. These are non-invasive and plug-n-play like the 914 LEDs.



Check out how wild these 911 rear turnsignal boards are. There's LEDs pointing in all directions. One thing I'm changing about the 911 rear turnsignal is the LEDs will be on gently with the running lights. This will give the 911 a much larger visual footprint at night. Now only the little brake lights are on gently. I just ordered a couple of these boards to try them out on my car.

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Posted by: Big Len Apr 4 2015, 03:16 PM

I would like to see them in action at Hershey.

Posted by: Gary Apr 4 2015, 06:18 PM

OK, I'm in for a set F/R:

US Amber fronts
Red/Red Tail/Brake on rears

Also up for seals F/R.

Would like "gently lit" running lights out back. Didn't catch in the thread if available with the amber fronts, but up for that if so.

Thanks!

Posted by: abes914 Apr 4 2015, 07:10 PM

i am in for a set of regular rear lights (brakes and parking lights only) please. i'll send paypal when i get home
thanks

Posted by: SKL1 Apr 4 2015, 09:26 PM

Any rear sets left? Would be interested in 2 sets, one for a '71 and another for a '73... TIA.

Posted by: JmuRiz Apr 5 2015, 01:50 PM

I never noticed the "last call" listed in the subtitle.

Can I still get in?
Fell off my radar with my car apart for the last 2 years.

-Front euro with running light blanking
-Rear USA lenses

Posted by: Spoke Apr 5 2015, 06:13 PM

QUOTE(JmuRiz @ Apr 5 2015, 03:50 PM) *

I never noticed the "last call" listed in the subtitle.

Can I still get in?
Fell off my radar with my car apart for the last 2 years.

-Front euro with running light blanking
-Rear USA lenses


Yes, still have some front and rear board sets left. PM sent.

Posted by: Spoke Apr 5 2015, 06:15 PM

QUOTE(Big Len @ Apr 4 2015, 05:16 PM) *

I would like to see them in action at Hershey.


If I can get some electricity, I'll be able to light up the boards at the booth. There should be a couple of guys with their 914's with front and rear LED boards there.

Posted by: mepstein Apr 5 2015, 06:20 PM

QUOTE(Spoke @ Apr 5 2015, 08:15 PM) *

QUOTE(Big Len @ Apr 4 2015, 05:16 PM) *

I would like to see them in action at Hershey.


If I can get some electricity, I'll be able to light up the boards at the booth. There should be a couple of guys with their 914's with front and rear LED boards there.

Jerry- Like I said, your welcome to share my spot and since I want a set, you can always use my car as a demo. Mark

Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 6 2015, 07:21 PM

OK, I placed my order for the euro fronts with the blanking option. I ordered the euro rear with the gentle on feature for additional lighting in the rear.

Excited to have the LED lighting add a whole new level of safety on my 44 year old car. piratenanner.gif

Posted by: kid914 Apr 6 2015, 07:42 PM

interested in front turn signal us version. now that I have my rear break ones... piratenanner.gif

Posted by: Spoke Apr 6 2015, 09:26 PM

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Apr 6 2015, 09:21 PM) *

OK, I placed my order for the euro fronts with the blanking option. I ordered the euro rear with the gentle on feature for additional lighting in the rear.

Excited to have the LED lighting add a whole new level of safety on my 44 year old car. piratenanner.gif


To answer your question about a 3rd brake light interfering with LED brake lights. No not at all. Adding the 3rd brake light should be on the list of upgrades to all 914 owners. It's not hard to do and makes a world of difference to the rear visibility of these little cars.

Posted by: moldygreg Apr 6 2015, 09:46 PM

I'd like to buy a complete rear US set with seals if available still.

Thanks
Greg

Posted by: Shadowfax Apr 7 2015, 09:57 AM

QUOTE(moldygreg @ Apr 6 2015, 10:46 PM) *

I'd like to buy a complete rear US set with seals if available still.

Thanks
Greg

Same here if not too late. Would love to do the fronts too but budget is getting tight smile.gif

Posted by: eric9144 Apr 7 2015, 09:58 AM

If you're on the fence about this DO IT!

Our cars are small and frequently "unseen" by most of the checked out drivers on the road. The LED upgrades that Jerry makes make a HUGE difference in the visibility of the cars, so bright in fact, they can be seen during daylight.

Not a huge cost if it means people 'see' your car rather than hit it!

Posted by: colingreene Apr 7 2015, 11:05 AM

id like some of these, what do you have left?

Posted by: euro911 Apr 7 2015, 01:10 PM

QUOTE(eric9144 @ Apr 7 2015, 08:58 AM) *
If you're on the fence about this DO IT!

Our cars are small and frequently "unseen" by most of the checked out drivers on the road. The LED upgrades that Jerry makes make a HUGE difference in the visibility of the cars, so bright in fact, they can be seen during daylight.

Not a huge cost if it means people 'see' your car rather than hit it!
agree.gif These cars aren't much larger than a big motorcycle and I highly recommend bright lighting on them.

Some idiot soccer-mom almost ran into the back of the 'BB' this morning mad.gif … guess I'd better get the rear LEDs installed pretty soon (while waiting for my fronts to arrive) idea.gif

Posted by: Nozzle Apr 7 2015, 01:57 PM

Please put me down for a complete US set for front and rear with seals if they are still available.

Posted by: FourBlades Apr 7 2015, 03:28 PM

I would like a complete us set front and rear as well!

Thanks for making these!

You have probably saved many 914 s from wrecks.

John

Posted by: zymurgist Apr 7 2015, 04:39 PM

I would like to get in on this, too.

1 Euro version with blanking

Front bucket seals: 1 set
Rear housing seals: 1 set
Rear lens beads: 1 set

Posted by: Chris H. Apr 7 2015, 05:45 PM

Sent you a PM...

Hoping to get a set of front US turn signals.

Posted by: whatabout1 Apr 16 2015, 02:02 PM

PM sent

front euro w/ blanking
rear us (red/red)

Posted by: SKL1 May 19 2015, 06:19 PM

Finally got around to installing the rear red/yellow bulbs on my '71- look great! And bright!

Hope not too late to get rear red/red for my '73.

BTW, do you have front ones for euro lenses with red over white (clear?)

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Posted by: SKL1 May 19 2015, 06:25 PM

Hope I can still get front euro for '73 and front amber (for Italian clear front lens) on '71...

Posted by: GermermanCarGuy May 19 2015, 07:46 PM

QUOTE(GermermanCarGuy @ Jan 16 2015, 10:09 AM) *

Still in for:
Rear Brakes Lights (pr)
Rear Amber Turn Signals (pr)
and Front Euro w/blanking (pr)


Very excited. piratenanner.gif


Please bundle with complete seal package (f/r) as advertised in your Posted Feb 5 2015, 08:59 PM post.


Still excited. piratenanner.gifpiratenanner.gif


Spock,

Still interested on getting in on the 914 seals deal (if still open). Fronts and rears. We had an email jumble and our order got messed up. unsure.gif PM me for details.

Either way, I'm still in. Oh, and thanks for the LED lights.

Rob

Posted by: BillC May 20 2015, 08:33 AM

I just found this thread, and think these are a wonderful idea.

If it's not too late, I'd like to get a full set of front & rear LEDs for my '73, including seals. Thanks!

Posted by: eric9144 May 20 2015, 09:51 AM

Its funny, was out driving my car last weekend and at a stop, glanced up at my rear view mirror and could totally see both brake lights glaring back at me from the huge chrome bumper of the SUV behind me at the light...8-10' away, in broad daylight.

Hands down one of the best upgrades you can do to increase the visibility of your car to others!

Posted by: Spoke May 20 2015, 08:12 PM

QUOTE(GermermanCarGuy @ May 19 2015, 09:46 PM) *

Spock,

Still interested on getting in on the 914 seals deal (if still open). Fronts and rears. We had an email jumble and our order got messed up. unsure.gif PM me for details.

Either way, I'm still in. Oh, and thanks for the LED lights.

Rob


Rob, PM sent.

Posted by: Spoke May 20 2015, 08:13 PM

QUOTE(BillC @ May 20 2015, 10:33 AM) *

I just found this thread, and think these are a wonderful idea.

If it's not too late, I'd like to get a full set of front & rear LEDs for my '73, including seals. Thanks!


PM sent. No rear LED boards left. A couple of pairs of fronts left.

Posted by: SKL1 May 21 2015, 06:56 PM

We need to talk Spoke into making more sets!!

I need another set of rears and think many who hadn't seen this thread for a while ( it was on page 13-14 or so) would pony up as well...

Hint, hint... Jerry...

Posted by: no1uno May 21 2015, 07:43 PM

I would be in for a full set if another production run starts

Posted by: Cairo94507 May 22 2015, 07:09 AM

Well I need a set of the rear red turn signal LED's. I had ordered a set of the Euro rears and then decided to go with USA rear lenses. So if someone needs a set of Euro rears, and can't get them from Spoke, mine will be available once/if I get the reds.

Posted by: montoya 73 2.0 May 22 2015, 11:55 AM

when you say "last call", does that mean you are no longer going to make or just not going to have in stock and will have to make when ordered?

Posted by: Spoke May 22 2015, 12:54 PM

QUOTE(montoya 73 2.0 @ May 22 2015, 01:55 PM) *

when you say "last call", does that mean you are no longer going to make or just not going to have in stock and will have to make when ordered?


We are now out stock of front and rear boards at this time. We'll loop back and make some more boards after a bit of a vacation. That we were able to put all the boards we purchased into use is awesome. You 914world guys rocks. aktion035.gif

We're also looking at doing some 911 brake and rear turnsignal LED boards. I have them on my 930 now and will be sampling boards for a while.

Here's my 930 with LED brake and rear turnsignal LED. The big thing here is being able to steal power for running lights to apply to the turnsignal bulbs. Now instead of just the little brake lights being on for running lights, the turnsignals also add to the 911 rear visual footprint at night.



And at night.


Posted by: Shadowfax May 22 2015, 01:01 PM

QUOTE(Spoke @ May 22 2015, 01:54 PM) *

We are now out stock of front and rear boards at this time. We'll loop back and make some more boards after a bit of a vacation. That we were able to put all the boards we purchased into use is awesome. You 914world guys rocks. aktion035.gif

That's good to hear. I am very happy with the rears. Am definitely in for some front boards next go around.

Posted by: euro911 May 22 2015, 01:35 PM

Crap, I don't think I can do the 911 LEDs. Mine are early SWB cars with the enclosed tail light assemblies (not removable lenses).

I don't know if the later year tail light buckets can be installed on early cars ... guess I'll have to use one of my life-lines to get the answer rolleyes.gif

Posted by: SKL1 May 22 2015, 08:26 PM

Be sure to let us know Spoke when you may get around to making more rear sets... TIA

Posted by: montoya 73 2.0 May 23 2015, 02:28 PM

QUOTE(Spoke @ May 22 2015, 11:54 AM)

We are now out stock of front and rear boards at this time. We'll loop back and make some more boards after a bit of a vacation. That we were able to put all the boards we purchased into use is awesome. You 914world guys rocks. aktion035.gif

Nice, thanks again.

Posted by: warrenoliver May 26 2015, 04:09 PM

Just got my fronts today. Went out to the garage and had them in within 10 minutes. Great product. piratenanner.gif piratenanner.gif Looking forward to ordering the rears once they are back in stock.

Thanks Jerry beerchug.gif

Posted by: SKL1 May 27 2015, 07:42 PM

My fronts for both cars are being made now... should have gotten rears for both but by the time I got one set and put them on the '71 they were out of them.
Not cheap, but worth it. Will look forward to a new run of the rears in the future.
Now the LED headlights (another thread...) are on their way. I guess the car is slowly becoming a little more "modern."

Posted by: dangerranger01 May 27 2015, 09:15 PM

Well Spoke, might as well count me in for a full set of your amazing LED lights. Just pm me when you're doing it and i'll buy them...look totally awesome. Good work!

Posted by: SKL1 Jun 2 2015, 08:20 PM

Installed the front LED's on both cars today. The silver car has the clear Italian front lenses with the amber full lights and they look fantastic. The red car has the Euro front lenses with clear bottom and red top. Not sure how Jerry does it but it works both the top and bottom with one plug in rather than the extra bulb and wire with my previous "kit." This is SO much better and works great.

I didn't get my act together quick enough to get the rear lights for the '73 so will be anxiously awaiting Jerry's next run...

Best addition i've found here! Thanks Jerry (spoke)...

Posted by: morgan_harwell Nov 3 2015, 04:30 PM

QUOTE(Spoke @ Feb 23 2015, 08:48 PM) *

Looks good Cary. Are you using the stock 914 flasher or EP36 or other?
A couple of notes:
. . .

2) The early stock 914 flasher (with L & R dash indicators) seems to work fine if the dash indicators are rewired so the common wire normally from the K lug on the flasher are connected to ground. This little bit of resistive load seems to cause the flasher to flash normally with LEDs front and rear. My 914 is wired this way and the flasher will flash normally even with both front and rear lights removed. Another 914World member with LEDs front and rear got his early flasher to work only after rewiring the dash indicators.

3) I'm adding a 1k ohm resistor across the turnsignal wires on the front and rear boards to add at least a little bit of resistive signature to help flashers see the LED loads. Not sure how much this helps but it's easy to do.

. . .

Howdy,

Is a symptom of the above problem => all four LED Turn Signal boards flashing together when the steering column turn signal stalk is set to Left turn or Right turn?

edit 8/18/2016:
I re-wired the L & R dash indicators in the tachometer per 2) above, and all four LED Turn Signal boards (front & rear, left & right) stopped flashing together. Now they operate as expected.

Posted by: Spoke Nov 4 2015, 09:16 PM

QUOTE(morgan_harwell @ Nov 3 2015, 05:30 PM) *

QUOTE(Spoke @ Feb 23 2015, 08:48 PM) *

Looks good Cary. Are you using the stock 914 flasher or EP36 or other?
A couple of notes:
. . .

2) The early stock 914 flasher (with L & R dash indicators) seems to work fine if the dash indicators are rewired so the common wire normally from the K lug on the flasher are connected to ground. This little bit of resistive load seems to cause the flasher to flash normally with LEDs front and rear. My 914 is wired this way and the flasher will flash normally even with both front and rear lights removed. Another 914World member with LEDs front and rear got his early flasher to work only after rewiring the dash indicators.

3) I'm adding a 1k ohm resistor across the turnsignal wires on the front and rear boards to add at least a little bit of resistive signature to help flashers see the LED loads. Not sure how much this helps but it's easy to do.

. . .

Howdy,

Is a symptom of the above problem => all four LED Turn Signal boards flashing together when the steering column turn signal stalk is set to Left turn or Right turn?


All 4 shouldn't operate with the left or right turn signal on. The light loads that these LED boards present to the wiring has a way of illuminating deficiencies in the wiring. Anything is possible with these old cars.

Posted by: mbseto Nov 5 2015, 08:17 AM

Jerry;
Have you thought about getting these certified for road use? Saw a post on another forum from a guy in the industry saying that a test for certification could be as low as $500. Is there enough volume to justify that?

Posted by: Spoke Nov 5 2015, 09:31 AM

QUOTE(mbseto @ Nov 5 2015, 09:17 AM) *

Jerry;
Have you thought about getting these certified for road use? Saw a post on another forum from a guy in the industry saying that a test for certification could be as low as $500. Is there enough volume to justify that?


I haven't considered getting these certified mainly because of the low volumes. Also there are many variants which I imagine would need individual certification:

914 brakes;
914 rear red turnsignals;
914 rear amber turnsignals;
914 front Euro White/amber;
914 front USA all amber;
911 brakes;
911 3rd brake;
911 rear red turnsignals;
911 rear amber turnsignals;
911 front Euro white/amber;
911 front US all amber

Posted by: Spoke Nov 5 2015, 11:03 AM

We're gearing up to do another run of front and rear LEDs. Should have PCBs in hand within a month.

Making some small changes to the boards before going to fab. Every board will now have a footprint for a ballast resistor. This will help dampen the effect of any leakages or other circuits on the light wires.

We're just clearing up an interaction issue with 911 brake lights where the cruise control brake light sensor dumps about 8ma into the brake lights. With no ballast resistor, the CC sensor pulls up on the brake light wire until the LEDs turn on a little bit and the CC refuses to stay engaged. We're adding ballast resistors to all boards now.

Posted by: Montreal914 Nov 5 2015, 02:43 PM

What is your configuration for Euro tail lights side marker?
In Europe, my understanding is that they don't use the side marker bulb.
Here, with the small bulb on the side the amber part of the lens gets lit which makes a combination of read and amber taillight. I have been looking for a red small bulb to put on the side so that the amber part would become red.
I found some red covers at Autozone and it worked for a while until they crumbled from the heat.
The result was red everywhere then when the blinker would kick in, it would flash amber.
Did you ever try something like this using LEDs?

Posted by: whatabout1 Nov 5 2015, 03:31 PM

I would be in for a pair rears. Have your front Euro's smile.gif

PM'd you a month or 2 ago.

Still in !

Posted by: rgolia Nov 5 2015, 03:41 PM

I am in for a pair of rears US spec. When I purchased the front from you, you mentioned that the rears can have a dim light in the brake light area.....if still possible put me in for that. Thanks Jerry and my fronts look great.

Posted by: Shadowfax Nov 5 2015, 07:04 PM

Very pleased with the rear lights. I'm in for a pair of U.S. front LEDs.

Posted by: mbseto Nov 6 2015, 02:51 PM

QUOTE(Spoke @ Nov 5 2015, 10:31 AM) *

QUOTE(mbseto @ Nov 5 2015, 09:17 AM) *

Jerry;
Have you thought about getting these certified for road use? Saw a post on another forum from a guy in the industry saying that a test for certification could be as low as $500. Is there enough volume to justify that?


I haven't considered getting these certified mainly because of the low volumes. Also there are many variants which I imagine would need individual certification:

914 brakes;
914 rear red turnsignals;
914 rear amber turnsignals;
914 front Euro White/amber;
914 front USA all amber;
911 brakes;
911 3rd brake;
911 rear red turnsignals;
911 rear amber turnsignals;
911 front Euro white/amber;
911 front US all amber


Well, I'll just throw this out here... No affiliation to me, just ran across it while looking into the legal aspects of aftermarket lights. From some other thread it looked like you had some pretty thorough testing abilities, this shows what the official tests are looking for with maxes and mins:
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showpost.php?p=1635365&postcount=3

This whole thread is good from a technical information standpoint- one of the linked threads is an all out flame war and OK for entertainment.

Posted by: Spoke Dec 2 2015, 08:30 PM

QUOTE(mbseto @ Nov 6 2015, 03:51 PM) *

Well, I'll just throw this out here... No affiliation to me, just ran across it while looking into the legal aspects of aftermarket lights. From some other thread it looked like you had some pretty thorough testing abilities, this shows what the official tests are looking for with maxes and mins:
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showpost.php?p=1635365&postcount=3

This whole thread is good from a technical information standpoint- one of the linked threads is an all out flame war and OK for entertainment.


That is a good thread. Lots of good information. Thanks.

Posted by: Spoke Dec 2 2015, 08:35 PM

Sent the rear PCB design to the fab this week. Will have rear PCBs in about 2 weeks. We'll start with the rear lights then add the front turnsignal bucket lights in the next months. I'll start a new thread when the rear lights are available.

Posted by: SKL1 Dec 2 2015, 08:43 PM

Need rear brake and red turn lights for a '73 from your new run...

thx Spoke...

Posted by: euro911 Dec 2 2015, 11:23 PM

QUOTE(Spoke @ Nov 5 2015, 09:03 AM) *
We're gearing up to do another run of front and rear LEDs. Should have PCBs in hand within a month.

Making some small changes to the boards before going to fab. Every board will now have a footprint for a ballast resistor. This will help dampen the effect of any leakages or other circuits on the light wires.

We're just clearing up an interaction issue with 911 brake lights where the cruise control brake light sensor dumps about 8ma into the brake lights. With no ballast resistor, the CC sensor pulls up on the brake light wire until the LEDs turn on a little bit and the CC refuses to stay engaged. We're adding ballast resistors to all boards now.
Jerry, are the 'old' ckt boards capable of this mod (adding ballast resistors)?

If so, can you post a pic of where to add the resistor(s), and the value needed?


Paying 'OHMage' to you for bringing these to the marketplace pray.gif

poke.gif

Posted by: Coondog Dec 2 2015, 11:42 PM

Put me down for

1 pair euro fronts with blanking

1 pair euro rear turn amber

1 pair red brake light

Posted by: LowBridge Dec 3 2015, 06:22 AM

wow...

please put me down for a pair of front US and a pair of Brakes US.

also do you make a backup light kit?

do you have a timeline for delivery?

Posted by: JoeD Dec 3 2015, 06:59 AM

I'm in for a full set front and back...

1 pair euro fronts with blanking

1 pair euro rear turn amber

1 pair red brake light

Thanks!

Joe

Posted by: Spoke Dec 3 2015, 11:33 AM

QUOTE(euro911 @ Dec 3 2015, 12:23 AM) *

Jerry, are the 'old' ckt boards capable of this mod (adding ballast resistors)?

If so, can you post a pic of where to add the resistor(s), and the value needed?


Paying 'OHMage' to you for bringing these to the marketplace pray.gif

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We had been adding 1k ohm ballast resistors to all front and rear turnsignal boards. These are not the 6 ohm power ballast resistors which can be purchased from lighting sites.

The 1k ohm resistors only help an LED-compatible flasher to break over and turn on.

After the 911 cruise control work, we're now using 301 ohm ballast resistors.

Do you have issues where a ballast resistor would help?

Posted by: euro911 Dec 3 2015, 05:42 PM

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Jerry, are the 'old' ckt boards capable of this mod (adding ballast resistors)?

If so, can you post a pic of where to add the resistor(s), and the value needed?


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We had been adding 1k ohm ballast resistors to all front and rear turnsignal boards. These are not the 6 ohm power ballast resistors which can be purchased from lighting sites.

The 1k ohm resistors only help an LED-compatible flasher to break over and turn on.

After the 911 cruise control work, we're now using 301 ohm ballast resistors.

Do you have issues where a ballast resistor would help?
Don't know - I haven't installed them yet ... many other tasks to perform (on my wife's '71) before I get to these. I'll see if I can find some [spare] time to try them out, and report back.

Posted by: Steve Dec 3 2015, 05:58 PM

I installed the euro ones front and rear. The fronts have the blanking circuits. They work great and the light output is night and day better. My flasher relay works fine, but the dash light stopped flashing. At this point I do not know if it's related to the led lights. I have done a lot rewiring with the new gauges. Hopefully I will have time to play with it this weekend.

Posted by: SKL1 Dec 3 2015, 06:23 PM

Have the euro fronts on the '73 and love how they work with the top blinker and bottom running lights. SO much better than those cheap "kits" to make the euro lenses work appropriately.
Rear euro lights with brake lights also work great with much better output than stock on my '71.
Just need the US rear sets for the '73 when Spoke starts his new run. Didn't order them in time with his last run...

Posted by: Spoke Dec 3 2015, 07:50 PM

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I installed the euro ones front and rear. The fronts have the blanking circuits. They work great and the light output is night and day better. My flasher relay works fine, but the dash light stopped flashing. At this point I do not know if it's related to the led lights. I have done a lot rewiring with the new gauges. Hopefully I will have time to play with it this weekend.


You have a single L/R dash indicator, correct?

Your stock flasher still flashes with LED turnsignals because the flasher does a dual purpose: Flash the turnsignals and flash the brake indicator.

See the diagram below for 74+ 914's with the single turnsignal dash indicator. Notice the coil and relay contacts next to the 49A and C pins on the flasher. This secondary relay allows the brake indicator to flash the small, low current bulb in the dash without flashing the L/R indicator.

When the very heavy load turnsignal bulbs are connected when either the turnsignal stalk is active or the 4-way flasher pulled, this secondary relay will close and flash the L/R indicator. With LED turnsignals which are a very light load are active, there is not enough current to pull in the secondary relay and the L/R indicator does not flash.

Question: does the L/R indicator flash when the 4-way flasher.

There's not a plug-in replacement for this flasher with the secondary relay. Thank Porsche for that little feature. There is an EP26 flasher available with 4 pins like the original. Unfortunately the K/C/C2 pin on EP26 is not connected to anything. I did modify an EP26 to power the K/C/C2 pin for one guy.

Personally I'm not a fan of the single L/R indicator. I think it's stupid. On my '74 914, I purchased an early tach, removed the guts and installed the guts from my '74. This way I had dedicated L and R indicators.



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Posted by: StratPlayer Dec 3 2015, 07:54 PM

I'm having the same problem,, turn signals work fine dash light doesn't work. Late model single L/R dash indicator.

Posted by: Spoke Dec 3 2015, 08:18 PM

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I'm having the same problem,, turn signals work fine dash light doesn't work. Late model single L/R dash indicator.


There are 2 solutions to this:

1) Buy an early tach and use it with separate L and R indicators. I did this with my '74.

2) Buy an EP26 and modify it. I've hesitated offering to provide modified EP26's just because it's a pain in the ass. Had to pop the lid off, unsolder the relay and modify the PCB and put it back together. It bums me out that folks lose their dash indicator when switching to LED turnsignals.

Would you be interested in purchasing a modified EP26 from me? Being up front, the EP26 is $15 at our FLAPS, $20 to do the mod and test, and $5 shipping (CONUS); $40 total.

One caveat to the modified EP26: When the e-brake or MC failure lights are on, the turnsignal dash indicator would also flash. EP26 does not have the secondary relay to prevent the turnsignal dash indicator from flashing with brake stuff.


Posted by: Steve Dec 3 2015, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(Steve @ Dec 3 2015, 06:58 PM) *

I installed the euro ones front and rear. The fronts have the blanking circuits. They work great and the light output is night and day better. My flasher relay works fine, but the dash light stopped flashing. At this point I do not know if it's related to the led lights. I have done a lot rewiring with the new gauges. Hopefully I will have time to play with it this weekend.


You have a single L/R dash indicator, correct?

The tach is a six tach, but I just use one bulb in it.
I'll check the flasher and bulb this weekend.

Posted by: Spoke Dec 3 2015, 08:32 PM

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The tach is a six tach, but I just use one bulb in it.
I'll check the flasher and bulb this weekend.


So the tach has L and R bulbs but you just use one to be consistent with your flasher?

If it were me, I would put L and R indicator bulbs in, wire a contact from each bulb to ground, and the other sides of the bulbs right to the turnsignal wires at the 4-way flasher where all the exterior turnsignal wires converge. Did this on my '74 when I rewired for an early tach with separate L and R indicators.

Posted by: Steve Dec 4 2015, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(Steve @ Dec 3 2015, 09:20 PM) *

The tach is a six tach, but I just use one bulb in it.
I'll check the flasher and bulb this weekend.


So the tach has L and R bulbs but you just use one to be consistent with your flasher?

If it were me, I would put L and R indicator bulbs in, wire a contact from each bulb to ground, and the other sides of the bulbs right to the turnsignal wires at the 4-way flasher where all the exterior turnsignal wires converge. Did this on my '74 when I rewired for an early tach with separate L and R indicators.

That makes sense and easy to do.
Thanks!!

Posted by: rgolia Dec 4 2015, 02:01 PM

Spoke - I have the same issue. I think going for the tach swap out is the way to go. So I will now go looking for a tach. How is the new group buy coming along? I previously noted that I am in for a set of US tail lights.

Posted by: Spoke Dec 4 2015, 08:21 PM

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How is the new group buy coming along? I previously noted that I am in for a set of US tail lights.


The rear PCBs are in the fab now. Expect them back in less than 2 weeks. I'll start a group buy thread in a couple of days to get things going.

We're going to start with rear PCBs then add front turnsignals just to keep the workload at a manageable level.

Posted by: Spoke Dec 16 2015, 08:18 PM

Rear boards are back from the fab. Look for a new GB thread in a couple of days. We should be able to start shipping after the new year.

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Mar 23 2016, 12:46 PM

Just got and installed front LED's .... NICE. piratenanner.gif

Left from front picture shows LED and right/driver from the front shows stock bulb. Note bottom section of stock is much less bright.

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Posted by: db9146 Apr 7 2016, 02:49 PM

Spoke, I have a question.

If I mask off the LEDs, can I paint the PWB beneath? On the previous version Euro front set, the green can be seen somewhat through the Euro lens (particularly the clear bottom portion) and I was wondering about a way to cover that up.

Thanks.

Posted by: Luke M Aug 11 2016, 05:16 AM

icon_bump.gif for a great product...

I installed Spoke's LED kit in the front and rear housings.
It didn't take too long and it was pretty easy to do.
I'd say best upgrade and money well spent on this.

Also thanks to 914rubber for making the seals used to finish sealing these up.

Thanks again for offering these products..


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