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Posted by: Quilmes Feb 7 2005, 02:36 PM

Here are a couple of photos from one of the 914's that team Brumos races.
I think it's a Hewland trans. It must be expensive???
I like the pedals and I guess if you run this system you will need a hydraulic clutch.

Quilmes

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Posted by: Quilmes Feb 7 2005, 02:37 PM

Pic two

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Posted by: Quilmes Feb 7 2005, 02:38 PM

Inside pedal cluster Brumos 914-6

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Posted by: Quilmes Feb 7 2005, 02:39 PM

Tilton Pedals for a 914

Looks nice, I think that I want one

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Posted by: Root_Werks Feb 7 2005, 02:43 PM

That is an all business 914-6 for sure!

Posted by: brant Feb 7 2005, 02:51 PM

cool thanks for posting these.

especially like the dash shots...
looks kinda familiar to me.

brant

Posted by: davep Feb 7 2005, 02:55 PM

Notice the couple of tricks with the rear shocks?

Posted by: john rogers Feb 7 2005, 03:09 PM

Several people have told me it is a sequential internals model.......

Posted by: brant Feb 7 2005, 03:22 PM

Also...

no engine tin.
and that black air duct they fabbed looks similar to the silver one my dad fabbed:

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Posted by: horizontally-opposed Feb 7 2005, 03:23 PM

FABCAR shifter is a nice touch, too...

pete

Posted by: brant Feb 7 2005, 04:39 PM

QUOTE (davep @ Feb 7 2005, 01:55 PM)
Notice the couple of tricks with the rear shocks?

.... mmmm.... Inverted.... mmm....

also gotta like those half shafts.
this car is BAD A**

Posted by: seanery Feb 7 2005, 04:52 PM

QUOTE (brant @ Feb 7 2005, 05:39 PM)

this car is BAD A**

But it isn't PCA legal!
(not if that's a Hewland box in there)

Posted by: brant Feb 7 2005, 04:56 PM

QUOTE (seanery @ Feb 7 2005, 03:52 PM)

QUOTE (brant @ Feb 7 2005, 05:39 PM)

this car is BAD A**

But it isn't PCA legal!
(not if that's a Hewland box in there)

I agree...
but if your getting invited to rennsport and monterey.. who cares about PCA...

I can't really afford to leave state, so PCA participation mattered a lot to me.

Posted by: Stutgart46 Feb 7 2005, 05:02 PM

That car has been runnning the sequential box in HSR for quite some time. Rumor has it that it cost around $30K.
Bob Snodgrass is my hero.
That's why guys like me don't win the lotto. I'd walk into Brumos with $200K and say build me one like yours.

Posted by: Brett W Feb 7 2005, 05:10 PM

That is not one of the orginal Brumos cars. That car was built much later. Jon Lowe's website shows all the original Brumos cars.

Posted by: brant Feb 7 2005, 05:27 PM

QUOTE (Stutgart46 @ Feb 7 2005, 04:02 PM)
That car has been runnning the sequential box in HSR for quite some time. Rumor has it that it cost around $30K.
Bob Snodgrass is my hero.
That's why guys like me don't win the lotto. I'd walk into Brumos with $200K and say build me one like yours.

have you seen underneath too?
what do they have on it for a motor mount.

there is some type of (?quick-six) black bar type brace or mount in the picture.

Posted by: Quilmes Feb 7 2005, 05:40 PM

QUOTE (brant @ Feb 7 2005, 03:27 PM)

there is some type of (?quick-six) black bar type brace or mount in the picture.

Yes the original Brumos #59 still has the old style trans, I just think that it is neat to see how this team is constantly improving on this model.

Here is a better picture of the engine bar you requested

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Posted by: Martin Baker Feb 7 2005, 05:46 PM

QUOTE (Brett W @ Feb 7 2005, 04:10 PM)
Jon Lowe's website

Nope, gone forever is what I heard...(the site)

Posted by: Ferg Feb 7 2005, 05:48 PM

Wow! That looks plenty strong...

looks like they dropped the drivers floor down as well, i'm guessing for seat clearance?

very trick!

stutgart46, thanks for the reminder, seeing cars like this is what reminds me to buy a lotto ticket

Ferg

Posted by: Brett W Feb 7 2005, 05:59 PM

I saw John awhile back. He got out of 914s and started playing with model airplanes. Too bad.

Posted by: 9146986 Feb 7 2005, 05:59 PM

Why does a "real" six have a crossbar engine mount?

Posted by: brant Feb 7 2005, 06:13 PM

even those the mounts for the bar are not stock -4 mounts....

my guess is that its not a real -6
its a conversion.

I also don't think this is all that rare in america in the 70's.

I bought a homemade motor mount a while back that had been raced in the early 70's in scca. the mount had been sitting on a shelf of a shop for years. Guy said they made it up when they converted a -4 car. I think alot of the real early scca cars may have been built from 4's.

Posted by: 9146986 Feb 8 2005, 09:52 AM

How is the transmission mounted to the chassis?

Any more detail on the cage?

Great pics Martin

Posted by: Quilmes Feb 8 2005, 10:06 AM

QUOTE (9146986 @ Feb 8 2005, 07:52 AM)
How is the transmission mounted to the chassis?

Any more detail on the cage?

Great pics Martin

Perry :
Let me look at my photos, and I will get them to you.

Here is one a speed on the track

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Posted by: Root_Werks Feb 8 2005, 10:20 AM

QUOTE (brant @ Feb 7 2005, 04:13 PM)
even those the mounts for the bar are not stock -4 mounts....

Those are certainly not 4 mounts on the sides. My guess is this 914 started life as a 4 or the one bolt 914-6 mount (even beefed up) didn't hold up? If you think about it, people are putting 300hp V8's and the stock 4 mounts are holding up fine. Never heard of one seperating from the body of the car. But I have heard if you don't beef up a stock 914-6 mount, they can bend and pull away from the body of the car.

Posted by: davep Feb 8 2005, 02:35 PM

QUOTE (Martin Baker @ Feb 7 2005, 03:46 PM)

QUOTE (Brett W @ Feb 7 2005, 04:10 PM)
Jon Lowe's website

Nope, gone forever is what I heard...(the site)

Not gone, just moved.

http://www.pbase.com/9146gt/factory_9146_gt_race_cars

Armando Serrano has include Jon's picures on his pbase website.

Posted by: Thorshammer Feb 8 2005, 04:48 PM

The Hewland you show looks like a LD200 . It runs about 6-9k plus the new input shaft and some other small changes. It can be made to shift sequentially , but it is very expensive 3-5 k on top of trans cost.

I use a Hewland in my 914-6 E Production car. But have an older Mark 8 casing with mark 5 gearsets. This is very close to the 914 transmission. For those of you not familiar with this trans, it uses a modified type 1 VW casing and has dog ring style gear engagement so it shifts much faster and gears are reasonable and available. It uses the same bolt spacing as a Porsche 914. So far the mods to make it work are as follows:

Engine/Trans mount plate, Did not have enough room to mount flywheel , might be able to skip this with a custom flywheel.
Tilton 5.5 Clutch
Saab Hydraulic release bearing custom machined
Shift tower and shift linkage
Custom drive axles

Other wise it bolts right up! LOL!!!!!!

FP competitor Ed Givler also has one, and has had good luck with his.

Erik Madsen

Posted by: Howard R Feb 8 2005, 05:17 PM

My guess is that its an FT or FG mounted upside down.

Posted by: brant Feb 8 2005, 05:27 PM

QUOTE (9146986 @ Feb 7 2005, 04:59 PM)
Why does a "real" six have a crossbar engine mount?

don't know why I didn't notice before.
this is a 72 or newer chassis.
the dash picture clearly shows the round ventillation hole in the behind dash structure....

could of been a 72 -6 but I doubt it.
Its a nice conversion though

Posted by: ein 6er Feb 8 2005, 05:40 PM

one of the brumos car a few years ago.

Posted by: ein 6er Feb 8 2005, 05:41 PM

and a link to a thread with a few more pics,
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=2913&hl=tranny

Posted by: carr914 Feb 8 2005, 05:47 PM

I think I can answer some of the questions about this car. Bob Snodgras (owner of Brumos) and I grew up in the same town, both now live in Florida, still talk occasionally and I have sat in this car during a visit to Bob's museum.
The car has a Hewland BUT it is NOT sequential. Bob seems to enjoy the rumors that fly around his cars and somehow become urban legend.
The floor has been extended downward to accomodate Bob's size ( he is quite an imposing guy)
This is not an original car, but one of a series of replica cars made by Brumos. The serial numbers have been changed to something like B914-6GTR01 etc. the R being replica.
T.C.