It seemed like it was going to take forever to make some progress on my rust repair. After spending the entire winter locating parts, grinding, cuting, painting, and learning to weld, I was finally ready to take the plunge....
Also thanks to everyone on the board, I would have never had enough confidence to tackle this without this site!!!
BTW: I must be getting addicted to the "914 lifestyle" as I had withdrawal when the site was down.
Fist Pic : The Rust
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Where the motor mount was.
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Here we go.
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The repair piece from a parts car.
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Clamped.
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Welded (no making fun)
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The patch for the frame under the engine mount.
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Patch welded in.
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This part is next, after a little clean up in the welds.
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Looks great, keep the pictures coming. I'm getting ready to start cutting some rust out of mine and these pictures help me to see what I may be getting into.
Whats with the electrical cable coming out of the heater tube??
Geoff
looks good
These cables in the heater tubes are for a front trunk mounted battery and some aux gauges. I am moving them to the center tunnel when I replace the rear floorpan.
Motor Mount is in, I can practially hear the engine running (as soon as I put in a new floor pan )
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You don't need a floor pan to run the engine!!!
Seriously, the work looks great. It's good to see another one NOT get crushed or shredded due to rust!
Thumbs up Dude
You don't need to be an expert to see that you put some serious good work into you car. gotta love the before and after pics
Gotta send us more pics dude
WBR
Joe
Made some more progress
Before:
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After:
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Outer Firewall back in:
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did you spray plenty of "metal-ready" inside that long before you closed it up?
looked like there was quite some surface rust in there.
i'd hate to see it rust from the inside out again ...
nice work!
Andy
Yep, I metal readied the hell out of it it. Then I used a spray gun to "Blow" some industrial rusty metal paint (I got it at the local tractor / farm supply store and it is nasty stuff used to paint old rusty tractors with, and yes there are lots of those in KY) down the long till it came out the front.
I opted not to use POR-15 in this scenario because I had no way properly prepare the surface and with the experience I've had with POR-15 it really doesn't work great unless the surface gets the proper prep.
Looks like you're making great progress. We need to get together for some shop talk soon. BTW, I saw a silver teener at Stuttgart on Leestown Rd. last week- must be a new car in the area!
Hello
I just spoke with the dist of Por15, for almost 2 hours.
For once a distributor that doesn't live in CA
I toured his warehouse and blabbed.
What kind of issues did you have, my tub gets a coat tomorow. One thing he was really explaning to me was that the top coat needs to be applyed between 4-5 hours after shooting Por15, if not you need an etcher, for after 24 hours of drying.
I have the degreaser, prep, Por15, and an etcher.
Again nice job
Cheers Joe
Well, with POR-15 I've noticed that the prep is everything. If you don't have the part really, really clean from grease or water, it won't stick and will kinda will scrape off pretty easily. Also it seems to stick better on a rough surface. The way I did it with the best results are...
1) Scrape / Sand/ Grind / Wire brush the part off till any loose material and ALL old paint is removed. (Leaving some surface rust is fine)
2) Clean the part with a degreaser ( I use simple green)
3) Rinse clean with water
4) Apply the POR-15 Metal Ready, let it stand on there about 30 minutes.
5) Rinse clean with water (It should leave a white zinc coating on the metal)
6) Allow to COMPLETELY dry (I mean NO water)
7) Paint on the POR-15
The finish on the parts I have done this way seem really durable. Any other way and the finish seems less than securely attached.
I have not topcoated anything yet, but that is interesting about the etcher. I have noticed it leaves a pretty smooth glossy finish. I wonder if etching primer will work.
WOW! you have done imipressive work. i see myself referring to this thread at some future date...
"him, my name is shane, and i have rust nightmares..."
Jamie, Another teener, cool. Including yours and mine there are only 4 I know about in this area (One of them yellow I've only seen). I had not seen a silver one. My wife is getting ready to have baby #2 so I am little busy getting the house ready, otherwise I would have already hooked up with you.
red914, I know how you feel I was intimidated by the rust at first too. Now I think it is just annoying. You cant ignore it, but you can it.
Ok I made some more progress this weekend. I got the old floorpan out, here are the removed bits...
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The new pan...
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Zee Hole...
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Zee other hole...
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Who wants to see down my tunnel?
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The firewall side of the tunnel...
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Up the firewall on the driver's side...
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Broken clutch tube support about half way down the tunnel...
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Broken tube at the firewall...
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Look, I made some cash while tearing out the floor...10 cents
A 1975 and 1980 Nickel, and some strange amulet.
Forgot the pic.
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Why you should always wear your safety gear. This is the safety face shield I wear, and that is a small sliver of metal stuck in it. Am I posting too many pics?
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cdmcse Posted on Feb 27 2005, 09:55 PM Why you should always wear your safety gear. This is the safety face shield I wear, and that is a small sliver of metal stuck in it. Am I posting too many pics? |
Never too many pics, NEVER!
I welded all the clutch tube breakage, then I added this extra re-enforcement to the center clutch tube bracket. That should hold it.
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New metal fuel lines secured to the center of the tunnel.
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Fuel Tank end
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Firewall End.
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POR-15 Applied. Is there anything else I should do in the tunnel before I close it up?
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I see light at the end of your tunnel
great job!
i keep thinking i should use some metal lines for the tank...hm. I dont really want to get into that though. 3m makes some spray in rust preventative stuff for enclosed areas, i sprayed the crap out of mine before i welded it up, then sprayed back the other direction from the hole in the interior under the consule.....Next one i build im dipping the whole car in rubber or something.
Metal lines were easy. I got two 60" 3/8 "easy-bend" brake lines and the fittings to convert the ends to hose barbs at NAPA for about $30. I had to drill larger holes in the rear firewall for the connectors to slide through. It took me less than 1 hour to install them (Of course half of my tunnel was already open)
Looks like the rust on my -6 #269.... Not Pretty.
My rust or ation thread
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=5574&hl=269
I would change one thing though... Go from hose barbs to -4 or -6 AN hydrauilic fittings. More expensive than barbs and clamps, but will last a lifetime.....
Only want to fix my baby once....
best of luck
mr914, If you are ready to get started on the repair I would recommend you you start a thread on here with some pics. Even if noone else here cares I find it really motivating to make progress so I can post some pics. Maybe I am just strange
I hope to be able to afford AN hardware someday
OK, more progress...Top coated the POR-15 with some rattle can blue.
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Yay, the floorpan is in!
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Driver's Side.
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Passenger Side. Next I have to finish the passenger side Firewall and I'll be ready to paint all the repairs up. (If I ever get the engine shelf from R-D)
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Impressive job!
Go have a or make that
More work done...Inner firewall done.
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Cancer removed from the outer firewall...
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Outer firewall patched...
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QUOTE (cdmcse @ Mar 1 2005, 11:54 PM) |
I welded all the clutch tube breakage, then I added this extra re-enforcement to the center clutch tube bracket. That should hold it. |
Now that's a view of the center tunnel you don't see too often!
Looks like you're doing one hell of a job!
Makes me think that there's hope for the '75 rusting away in my backyard.
Looks great
That's love buddy, painting to match on the inside of the tunnel where no-one can see, but you did it because YOU know it's there. Looks great!
Good lookin work!
Well, after the arrival of our new son (March 6th). I was finally able to get back out to the garage this past weekend.
Gratuitous pic of the handsome kid (He looks like me of course!)...
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Now back on topic...Passenger side floor re-enforcement (grafted together from 2 partially rusted ones).
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Driver's side floor re-enforcement, this one is new.
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Right Rear Floor Jackpoint.
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Left Rear Jackpoint.
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Engine Shelf installed. I finally got all the parts I need from Restoration Design.
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The interior all grinded and stripped ready to POR-15 and Paint.
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The Firewall had Zero Rust!!!! Yay
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Fantastic . This look very familiar to me!
Keep on posting picĀ“s
Excellent work Chris!
And congrats on the kid
Well done sir....very nice work.
I think we need to get shirts made for those of us that did (or are doing) a 914 over the winter.
'914 Mid-West Class of 2005' or something like that. I may have to go to summer-school to graduate though.
Wow! congrats on the new arrival. You know in a few years, you're going to have to build him his own 914...
R
Congratulations on the pit crew!
A little farther along... POR-15 Silver Applied
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Another...
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Sweet! Another 914 saved from the rust monster!
Way to go, Chris! Great looking work.
Also, congradulations to you and your wife on the birth of your son. He is a nice looking boy.
Well I reached what I feel like is a major milestone...got the interior done except for re-assembly. After watching CptTripps bedliner his interior with good results, deceided I would like some texture inside as well.
Here is what I did to my interior...
1) took it down to bare metal (mostly)
2) Clean, Metal-ready, POR-15 Silver
3) Etching Primer
4) Paintable textured undercoating
5) Sealing Primer
6) Adriatic Blue Topcoat
I think it turned out real well. Since I'm not putting carpet in there I think it will be pretty durable too.
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Another...
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Another
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Last one. Now just a few more bits on the outside and some paint, then re-assembly will begin for summer drivin!
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How did you apply the Por-15 and primer? Gun or brush...?
I need to do the same thing....
Thom
QUOTE (dakotaewing @ Apr 12 2005, 10:52 PM) |
How did you apply the Por-15 and primer? Gun or brush...? I need to do the same thing.... Thom |
looks awesome man!!
Chris,
You do really good work.
Really really really amazing work
good job
brant
Wow! Looks great! This 914 sure has come a long way! Good job!
That does look fantastic. Nice work.
QUOTE (cdmcse @ Apr 13 2005, 12:23 AM) | ||
I sprayed it with a gun. I have a little $20 gun from Harbor Freight. Mixed it up with 5% POR-15 thinner and 95% POR-15. And the primer was sprayed too. Works good, but it has the nastiest fumes of anything I have used. Pay for a good mask or respirator. |
QUOTE (dakotaewing @ Apr 13 2005, 01:46 PM) |
How much of each did you have to buy in order to do this? (Not just the POR-15, but the other stuff too -) I have got a cheap gun too....!!!!! Thanks - Thom |
You've done some great work... my hat is off to you.
-Rusty
QUOTE (cdmcse @ Apr 13 2005, 11:18 AM) | ||
Let's See, 3 6oz cans of POR-15 (I buy in it in those six packs) ~ $37 1 Quart of Etching primer (It is real thin and I used the whole quart) ~ $18 3 Rattle cans of 3M Paintable Rubberized undercoating. ~$30 1 Quart of Sealing Primer (used about 1/3 to 1/2 of that) ~$15 1 Quart of Adriatic blue (Used about 1/2 of that) ~$22 I also used a 1/2 tube of that POR-15 patch to cover some welding and rust pinholes. (BTW: that is tough stuff, make sure you wipe it as smooth as possible unless you want to sand on it 4 ever) It cost me about $150 bucks to do the whole thing, not too bad. |
QUOTE (michelko @ Apr 14 2005, 01:24 AM) |
very nice work . Is there an reference number for the adriatic blue paint? Or must the colour been mixed to match the existing colour? I have to paint some parts of my car in the near future. Which kind of paint did you use? Regards Michael |
Chris...I just have to throw in my two cents here....EXCELLENT WORK!!! Like I've said before....its great that you ended up with that car from us and have put your heart and soul in it. I'm jealous now....as if I wasn't the day I drove it you.
We can't wait to see it in person and if you need anything just let us know.
BTW...after you get this stage of the project done you should consider doing some resto work for others...hint, hint..I have a 73 2.0 that could use your touch!!
See ya,
Mark
www.premier-autosales.com
Oh, you mean the one in your avatar pic??? looks like it needs some rust repairs......
QUOTE (premierauto5150 @ Apr 21 2005, 12:19 PM) |
Chris...I just have to throw in my two cents here....EXCELLENT WORK!!! Like I've said before....its great that you ended up with that car from us and have put your heart and soul in it. I'm jealous now....as if I wasn't the day I drove it you. We can't wait to see it in person and if you need anything just let us know. BTW...after you get this stage of the project done you should consider doing some resto work for others...hint, hint..I have a 73 2.0 that could use your touch!! See ya, Mark www.premier-autosales.com |
More Progress, it is too nice outside for my teener to be on jackstands. Fitting the Right outer suspension mount (Thanks Cloudbuster for the rust-free CA part).
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Mount welded on...
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Engine Bay completely done and POR-15'ed.
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My hell hole is no longer a hell hole...
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Right side RD rocker re-enforcement installed...
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Last one for now. Left Side Rocker re-enforcement. Note the Jackpost Delete. Now for a
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A little more work done, First panel of the chassis stiffening kit installed...
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Got my rear arms cleaned up and new bearings installed...
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I havent been following along.. but where is the down tube going that comes from the top of the main hoop ??
Surprised you are installing the GT kit with a caged car.
B
QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Apr 29 2005, 08:34 PM) |
I havent been following along.. but where is the down tube going that comes from the top of the main hoop ?? Surprised you are installing the GT kit with a caged car. B |
It looks good. I really like that color of blue.
I would use the other piece you are referencing.
The side piece you installed isnt really needed when you run a tube to the front of the shock tower. What we used to see in GT caged cars (with no down tubes) they would crack right in front of the shock tower as we increased spring rate over 300lbs. The stiff kit didnt help this. Only the tubing to the front side of the shock tower helped (or to the top of the frame rail just in front of the shock tower)
This car looks familiar. Was this the one that the "dealer" in KY had for sale ? Had multiple pics on a website they run for a small used car dealership ?
B
QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Apr 29 2005, 10:13 PM) |
This car looks familiar. Was this the one that the "dealer" in KY had for sale ? Had multiple pics on a website they run for a small used car dealership ? B |
I was asked last April to have someone take a look at the car for us (Resident German Female) She wanted to know if I could go buy it for her and bring it back here. She wanted a track/AutoX car. I told her we would locate something closer to us... we did... The rest is history. It appears you have sorted out all the issues. Get it back together so you can enjoy it.
B
OK, now since we are having a KY 914 meet on the 22nd, I am going to finish this thing. Left side stiffening kit installed...
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Right Side...
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Left door sill, I had to take the doors off to finish it right.
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This is my patch I made for the door sill. There was a rust repair done there in the past that was bascally hammer a big dent in all the rust, then fill with 1" of bondo.
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Last one for now. The Right door sill. Now I just have to patch a couple of small holes in the driver wheel well, then I am 100% done with the welding!!!!!!
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thats looking good keep it up..
Woo Hoo, all the welding is done. Prime and Paint tomorrow and friday, re-assemble this weekend.
Wow, I just ran across your repair thread. That series of pictures is a good story for those who think that a bunch of rust means the junk yard. Good work and good luck. I was worried about just replacing my battery tray and claening up surface rust. I am inspired.
i saw that car for sale, very nice looking car, ill have to check it out sometime after mine is done.
QUOTE (xsboost90 @ May 14 2005, 12:02 PM) |
i saw that car for sale, very nice looking car, ill have to check it out sometime after mine is done. |
Paint work is finished. It is not the greatest finish but it will protect from rust until I get the whole car a profressional paint job. Now all that is left is re-assembly...
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Passenger Jamb...
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Again...
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Right Rear...
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Hell Hole
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Drivers Side
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Hell Hole again...
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Right Suspension...
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Last one for now - Underbelly...
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Rear suspension is in...
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Front Suspension (88 Carrera). I have some questions about the swaybar though I'll ask in another thread...
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Engine is all cleaned up, reassembled and ready to go back in...
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QUOTE (cdmcse @ May 15 2005, 10:10 PM) |
Paint work is finished. It is not the greatest finish but it will protect from rust until I get the whole car a profressional paint job. Now all that is left is re-assembly... |
I have to jump in again and say how great it is to see the after pictures. The before was scary. My before is not as bad but i figure I have a piece of cake now. Thanks for all the process pictures.
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Thanks for the comments!
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I have to jump in again and say how great it is to see the after pictures. The before was scary. My before is not as bad but i figure I have a piece of cake now. Thanks for all the process pictures. |
Wiring is done...
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Pedals and Shifter are in, Engman's Pedal Board ROCKS!
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Seats and Harnesses are in...
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The interior is complete except for my Burnt Steering wheel
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Nice! What''s the black stuff on the floor pans? What'd you use?
I like these threads, but it seems there is one thing I never see (or hear?). What are you guys using to cut out the metal before you go to patching? Airbody saw or nibblers or ???? What are the recommendations on this?
Thanks for the info.....
QUOTE (Gint @ May 24 2005, 06:41 AM) |
Nice! What''s the black stuff on the floor pans? What'd you use? |
QUOTE (rallyman @ May 24 2005, 07:08 AM) |
I like these threads, but it seems there is one thing I never see (or hear?). What are you guys using to cut out the metal before you go to patching? Airbody saw or nibblers or ???? What are the recommendations on this? Thanks for the info..... |
for a job well done!
Woo Hoo I fired up the engine today.
Over the weekend I got a lot done...
Rebuilt the carbs, installed motor / tranny, rewired the engine bay, installed the drive shafts, fabricated an exhaust, plumbed it all.
Engine in the car...
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My fabricated exhaust. 76 manifolds flipped attached to 31" glasspacks. Simple and it sounds really throaty. It is loud, but not too loud for me . Sounds kinda like an 60's F1 car now.
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Last one from this weekend. Under the engine.
All I have left to do now is...
Buy Tires
Rebuild the rear calipers
Bleed the brakes
Install shift linkage
install the sway bar and support brackets on the front.
Fabricate a bracket for the throttle cable
Alignment
And she will be ready to hit the street. Of course I have to buy all that stuff so until my cashflow improves she will sit quietly on the jackstands eagerly awaiting the time to roll.
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Awesome! F@#@ing inspiring! Great work. My father and I screwed around for years. It is nice to see somebody just get it done! Hats off!
My Jackstands are lonely...
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The Car is back on its wheels...
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Had to wash the crap off of it. Cookies w/ 205-60-15s. It still has no rear brakes and the front swaybar isnt installed so I can't drive it...but soon.
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Fat rubber...
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Stuck in a cheap fire extinguisher just in case...
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hooray!!!
I'm jealous - my teeners wont rust. But then my "progress" thread would look like yours in reverse.
A few parting shots. I have got most of the bugs sorted out and she is moving and stopping gud.
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Nuther...
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Rear
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Last one. Engine. I guess this offically completes my rust repair, another one saved from the rust disease .
I'm sure I'll have more projects to show you this winter.
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