Hi everyone!! I am the owner of a 914 LE. There is a big Porsche event approaching. I have been debating on which to enter, the Full concours which includes engine bay, or the people's choice. The car has been restored, but still 40 years old so not perfect. Any advice??
Bumblebee or Creamsicle? Pics would help & what kind of event is it?
Concours is a tricky field in that to me it seems to be changing- what's original OEM & what's not seems to be not as important as it used to be. What matters most I've found is how clean EVERYTHING is, & I mean everything. The more spotless the car is the better. Really a pain because you can spend months cleaning, polishing, waxing, etc... & get it dirty in less than 10 seconds. Good luck
Menno
If you haven't done an event before, enter the People's Choice and pay careful attention to how the concurs works. If you decide to enter concurs first time out, then be prepared to sacrifice lots of points because you weren't familiar with the standards. Good luck showing your car. Remember....this is supposed to be FUN!
Was this car for sale one or two years ago down in N. Carolina?
I show a car, other then my 914, at AACA Concours events. The first two years were to learn what it would take to Trophy and the 3rd and 4th year were Wins.
Each year I made the changes required and it's a continual thing making improvements each year.
I say, If you want to Win you need to show to loose for a while as it's the only way to get to the level needed to win.
My dad long told me stories of Chicago Region PCA concours, Judge Wilma White would reach up under the dash and check and see if there is dust on top of the radio. Its a disease my friend; but as pointed out, its for fun, but it does get in your head when people do better than you. I placed 10th overall in Chicago Region Concours last year in my 968; it was hard keeping the huge engine bay clean for judges, but it was fun. I think the part that made me facepalm the most was when I read my scoresheet and it said I had dust behind my alternator....
Do full concours so you can get the "scoresheet"
That can be your To Do List if you ever need another 914 project
Be sure to enter the autocross too
Screw the concours weenies and the choosy people!!!!
Go for a drive
Don't be afraid to enter in the Concours as a contestant - versus as a People's Choice, which may be more akin to who likes which display car best, & not carry much weight in the CW world. But also do what YOU want to do!
If your Zone 1 Peoples' Choice is actually judged on Exterior & interior by 2 judges, then is sounds like what our Zone 8 calls the Wash & Shine category, which is for folks DD cars, those with little time to prep or just for fun - but to win it still requires extensive cleaning, prep & detail work on those two areas. It's just 2 vs. 4 or 6 judged areas - so it may just mean working on more areas to enter Full Concours. I'm not sure what yours is like?
I'm a Senior or Master Judge now in Zone 8, but all zones have different rules & standards, & most think ours are toughest.
Case in point, our Full Concours is 6 areas: Exterior, Interior, Storage, Engine + Undercarriage with Engine & without Engine - which means everything underneath also has to be spotless perfect too.
It sounds from folks in your Zone 1 that your Full is like our Street & Unrestored (10 yrs. & older with 75% original at paint & interior) categories - where only the Exterior, Interior, Storage, Engine are judged. It was that way too in Peachtree a few years back when I was visiting Atlanta & helped out at one of their CdEs.
So I'll respond relative to those for your purpose. This link has a bunch of Z8 Concours docs to help you out (& surprisingly to me, even Peachtree had printed some of these for their contestants):
http://zone8.pca.org/events_concours.php
Also go to your own Region's & Zone 1 websites to look for similar rules & guidance docs.
If you can, also try to attend one of their Concours Prep & Concours Judging Schools for members - or a combo one, since it will help you immensely, plus you can meet & ask questions of some of the actual judges - either before or after this CdE, as there will be others too later in the year.
Only for PCA National Concours at Parade is originality judged & you won't need to worry about it now. AFAIK, all of the PCA Zones & their Regions Concours are now only judging on preparation, detailing & maintenance issues (years ago they also did originality). At the Zone level, a Zone Concours or year end cumulative tie-breaker MAY involve which is more original, but I haven't seen nor heard of that in years.
Frankly, it will basically be a cleaning & detailing contest, where the most anal - & luckiest for what doesn't get caught - usually win.
So you're basically cleaning & detailing your a$$ off for 1-2 weeks beforehand (unless you've been working on it already), then have someone else check everything (a judge if you know one), & catch those points which they find, repeat....
Then get on-site as early as possible, cuz you'll be doing most all of that cleaning, detailing & all over again after getting there. The judges will be looking in every conceivable nook & cranny that they can possibly get their fingers into
Take your first CdE competition as a learning experience & use your scoring sheets as "homework" to prep for the next one. Zone 8 gives all contestants in all classes & categories their score sheets at the end of the CdE for that purpose.
AACA & others are completely different CdE rules & procedures, so forget about them at PCA, & visa versa for PCA at the others. Prepare for the rules of the organization at hand.
For anyone considering judging, it's actually kinda fun cuz you get to crawl all over (figuratively) all sorts of cool Porsche cars of all flavors! Although it was only on display, we judges did get to actually see the innards of the 918 Weissach which was at our Jan. 2015 Z8 Concours (I put a post on here somewhere).
BTW SoCal Andy went head to head with Dave/toolguy with their 2 excellent 914-6 restos at that above noted event - Dave an old hand & Andy at his 1st PCA CdE, & both enjoyed themselves, the experience & the camaraderie with other contestants & judges! Both did well & had fun.
Your B'Bee looks nice in the pix above, so you have a great starting point - & if you put in the effort, you just may walk away with some level of award first time out, & can improve &/or rack them up from there.
Another advantage the we CW's have in going thru this prep process, is that we more intimately know our cars & where little repairs & maintenance needs to be done, as compared to folks who just jump in their cars of any type & drive, where it's more of a utilitarian thing than a passion or hobby.
Unfortunately my 914's resto/repair is a long way off from being able to compete anytime soon myself (& they won't let me enter by BMW or Westy ), so I'll have to wait or else enter our planned Cayenne S purchase whener]ver that happens. So for now, judging keeps me sharp, & so I try to judge at 3-6+ events a year, as my schedule allows.
Good Luck, Work Hard & Hopefully
Tom
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PS - you can still go for a good drive too!
Excellent info, thanks Tom.
BTW, the only judged event will be the full concours, not the People's Choice.
GD double post.
Excellent info, thanks Tom.
BTW, the only judged event will be the full concours, not the People's Choice.
Which concours show is it? Maybe it will depend on what kind of show it is, if it's a bigger, more renown show or a smaller one (standard wise and what competition you have to go up against).
I have a very nice LE Creamsicle, as does Johnny Blackstain and Steve down in Tampa (same state as me, we have the two drivers in FL). Mine is restored. The PO and I have put a lot of time, work and money into it. I'm still doing stuff to it, replacing and rebuilding mechanical parts for better reliability and performance. The nice thing is, though costly, when looking in the engine bay a lot of those parts are new which would be good for a concours. As beautiful and one of the nicest 914s I've seen mine is, I would not consider it a high standard concours car. There are a couple slight imperfections in the paint (pretty much only I see them), engine bay does not look brand new (although close to it), etc. For a concours show (a real one), you have to go though with a fine toothbrush and wax every nook and cranny. Some of these cars sometimes look better than they did new. Also consider, why mine isn't concours, I regularly treat all the vinyl (dash, seats, doors cards, back pad, console, etc.) with Meguire's Ultimate Interior Detailer because I love the shine on it. That wouldn't be concours because it looks cleaner (cars were not shiny like that in their day, but more matte). So even though it may look cleaner and prettier, it may not be period-correct.
When in doubt, go with the People's Choice. Remember, it's half People's Car. lol
Good to meet you at Hershey, Russ.
What did you decide?
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