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Posted by: KELTY360 Apr 4 2015, 10:34 PM
Rotors, pads, shocks all around. A long procrastinated project finally came together. Greenie and Rhodyguy came over today and we thrashed on my car all afternoon. At the end of the day I had new Bilstein strut inserts and rear shocks, new hubs/rotors and Porterfield pads. Best of all...a nice firm pedal! Even the parking brake works great. I'm sure the shocks and struts were original to the car and the pads had no meat left. Went for a test drive and it felt like a new car.
There is no way we'd have gotten it all done if I wasn't so skilled at staying out of the way. My hat's off to them. Thanks guys. 
Posted by: Mike Bellis Apr 4 2015, 11:10 PM
Your lower spring perches are upside down. The springs may pop off the perch if driven.
Posted by: SirAndy Apr 5 2015, 12:02 AM
Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 5 2015, 08:01 AM
Gotta fix that Marc. 
Let a few moths out of your wallet and buy some new 100# springs for the reassembly. sending pm.
Posted by: KELTY360 Apr 5 2015, 08:15 AM
Oh crap! Thanks.
Posted by: r_towle Apr 5 2015, 09:42 AM
ha, yup, your you guyz had too many beers....
Flip the perches over.
Its quick to do.
rich
Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 5 2015, 09:45 AM
only 1 beer, that would be curt, was consumed before i left. got a good look at marc's car when it was on the lift. superb chassis.
Posted by: pete000 Apr 5 2015, 09:48 AM
Maybe he wanted it in the rally height setting...Ha Ha !
Posted by: Spoke Apr 5 2015, 09:48 AM
I thought that's how your raise the rear end when the springs sag. 
Posted by: greenie Apr 5 2015, 10:28 AM
Your lower spring perches are upside down. The springs may pop off the perch if driven.
OOPS
I swear this was how they were mounted previously?
Posted by: KELTY360 Apr 5 2015, 10:50 AM
Your lower spring perches are upside down. The springs may pop off the perch if driven.
OOPS
I swear this was how they were mounted previously?
Nope, previous perches were entirely different; no way to mount upside down. We just measured relative distance to bottom shock mount and set the perch land accordingly. Springs seemed to fit the pocket on the perch just fine.
Glad I posted the pics so some real experts could see.
Posted by: greenie Apr 5 2015, 10:52 AM
Your lower spring perches are upside down. The springs may pop off the perch if driven.
OOPS
I swear this was how they were mounted previously?
Nope, previous perches were entirely different; no way to mount upside down. We just measured relative distance to bottom shock mount and set the perch land accordingly. Springs seemed to fit the pocket on the perch just fine.
Glad I posted the pics so some real experts could see.
You get what you pay for!
Posted by: KELTY360 Apr 5 2015, 11:02 AM
Your lower spring perches are upside down. The springs may pop off the perch if driven.
OOPS
I swear this was how they were mounted previously?
Nope, previous perches were entirely different; no way to mount upside down. We just measured relative distance to bottom shock mount and set the perch land accordingly. Springs seemed to fit the pocket on the perch just fine.
Glad I posted the pics so some real experts could see.
You get what you pay for!
No, you can't pay for The Greenie Effect....it has to be earned.
Posted by: greenie Apr 5 2015, 11:08 AM
Your lower spring perches are upside down. The springs may pop off the perch if driven.
OOPS
I swear this was how they were mounted previously?
Nope, previous perches were entirely different; no way to mount upside down. We just measured relative distance to bottom shock mount and set the perch land accordingly. Springs seemed to fit the pocket on the perch just fine.
Glad I posted the pics so some real experts could see.
You get what you pay for!
No, you can't pay for The Greenie Effect....it has to be earned.
Time to borrow the spring compressor again!
Practice makes perfect!
Buy me some more beer please!
Posted by: KELTY360 Apr 5 2015, 11:21 AM
Your lower spring perches are upside down. The springs may pop off the perch if driven.
OOPS
I swear this was how they were mounted previously?
Nope, previous perches were entirely different; no way to mount upside down. We just measured relative distance to bottom shock mount and set the perch land accordingly. Springs seemed to fit the pocket on the perch just fine.
Glad I posted the pics so some real experts could see.
You get what you pay for!
No, you can't pay for The Greenie Effect....it has to be earned.
Time to borrow the spring compressor again!
Practice makes perfect!
Buy me some more beer please!
Still some left from the last episode.
Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 5 2015, 12:26 PM
marc, 100#ers are less than a c-note @ the bird. given the 'original' appearance of things on your car, my guess is the ones you have are the originals. pretty cheap to replace them when you fix the fuch up. just saying….
Posted by: Bleyseng Apr 6 2015, 08:26 AM
I have some newish springs you can have just come and get em.
Posted by: bandjoey Apr 6 2015, 08:36 AM
No need for the spring compressor. Just put the spring in place and jcack the trailing arm up into place. New looks good!
Posted by: McMark Apr 6 2015, 09:00 AM
Buy me some more beer please!
From the sound of things you meant to say:
Buy me ONE more beer please!
Posted by: KELTY360 Apr 6 2015, 10:00 AM
I have some newish springs you can have just come and get em.
Thanks Geoff, I'll do that. Are you in town these days? Send me your address and phone # and we'll set it up.
Posted by: r_towle Apr 6 2015, 02:25 PM
No need for the spring compressor. Just put the spring in place and jcack the trailing arm up into place. New looks good!
not sure what you are explaining, but they need to take apart the rear shocks to remove and flip over the lower perch.
This needs to be done with the unit out of the car.
Guys, I have done this with a tire and my fat ass on the stock springs.
With two guys it may be even easier...
Set shock on its base, on the ground.
Lay wheel over the top and push down....you only need to push it 100lbs... (spring rate) to get the tension released from the top nut.
Fix the perch.
Do the same process in reverse to get it back together....hardest part is lining up everything.
With 100lb springs, there is not really alot of tension getting it all together.
Rich
Posted by: KELTY360 Apr 6 2015, 11:53 PM
Great tip Rich. I think my ass is fat enough but my FLAPS loaned me the spring compressor so I'll release the spring that way.
Posted by: sixnotfour Apr 12 2015, 05:54 PM
Well based on this picture yours are correct. Make sure the snap ring is seating in a machine groove. That appears in this picture...Kurt is never wrong..
Posted by: r_towle Apr 12 2015, 05:56 PM
Well based on this picture yours are correct. Make sure the snap ring is seating in a machine groove. That appears in this picture...Kurt is never wrong..
No, his are wrong.
With the lower perch as he has it, there is nothing to ensure the spring stays centered on the perch.
Rich
Posted by: sixnotfour Apr 13 2015, 08:39 AM
in this picture though it looks like the snap ring groove is up ??
tryin to give a glimmer of hope from my arm chair...not my thinking chair..
he should have bought Koni's 
Posted by: KELTY360 Apr 13 2015, 09:38 AM
Well based on this picture yours are correct. Make sure the snap ring is seating in a machine groove. That appears in this picture...Kurt is never wrong..
There is some dispute over his infallibility.
He had it right on his car but apparently was trying to provide me with a teaching moment. The lesson: if his lips are moving, the truth is running hard in the other direction.
Posted by: Mike Bellis Apr 13 2015, 10:01 AM
Make sure your spring perch has the snap ring grove as well. If it does not, the clip will move; snap out of the grove. In my case, My shock perch is different than yours and has a collar to encapsulate the snap ring. I think mine are Koni, maybe.
With my old perches, I hit a bump on the freeway and the suspension collapsed all the way to the bottom.
This pic shows the grove AND the spring perch mounted upside down.
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