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Posted by: BK911 Apr 17 2015, 10:50 AM
Just bought a front sway bar ASSuming all 914s had the holes in the tub for the bar to pass through. I mean, seriously? Now what? Really don't want to cut the tub. Do I have some sort of freak, or did other 914s come this way?
Posted by: colingreene Apr 17 2015, 10:51 AM
Very common.
you need to cut the car.
Posted by: Larmo63 Apr 17 2015, 10:52 AM
You have to pull the tank and drill. It isn't that big of a deal, lots of threads here and on the Pelican board.
You can do this.
Posted by: rjames Apr 17 2015, 11:11 AM
5 minute job after the tank is pulled. Marks are even already there showing you where to drill.
Posted by: SirAndy Apr 17 2015, 11:33 AM
you need to cut the car.
Most 914s didn't come with sway bars, you'll have to cut the tub ...
Posted by: BK911 Apr 17 2015, 11:51 AM
Hmm, I will have to drink on this.
Not a real fan of cutting the tub, especially since I really dont *need* a sway bar.
Thanks guys!
Posted by: JamesM Apr 17 2015, 12:00 PM
Hmm, I will have to drink on this.
Not a real fan of cutting the tub, especially since I really dont *need* a sway bar.
Thanks guys!
Yeah you do... cut the tub!
Its a minor operation.
Posted by: BuddyV Apr 17 2015, 12:05 PM
My mechanic skills are about as lame as you get (although I take things APART very, very well)..... and I have done this. I would call it more "drilling" than cutting, unless I am forgetting a step.
Regardless, it's totally worth it. After the first turn I took in my car after installing the front sways bar, there was an audible 'Holy SH#$!"
.... and pulling the tank gives you a view into an area that one rarely sees. Good to know how things are looking down there..... much like a colonoscopy.
Do it.... it's a good thing. (both things)
Cheers.
Posted by: 914_teener Apr 17 2015, 01:06 PM
Hmm, I will have to drink on this.
Not a real fan of cutting the tub, especially since I really dont *need* a sway bar.
Thanks guys!
No....you don't.
I take it if you don't want the sway bar.
Posted by: Kansas 914 Apr 17 2015, 01:14 PM
Hmm, I will have to drink on this.
Not a real fan of cutting the tub, especially since I really dont *need* a sway bar.
Thanks guys!
How rare is the "tub"?
Front anti-sway bars is one of the best add-on upgrades to a 914. It does make a difference and once you have driven one you won't go back. Just my .02
I am facing the same situation on my '74 - and looking forward to it since I need to pull the tank anyway.
Posted by: 914_teener Apr 17 2015, 01:27 PM
My mechanic skills are about as lame as you get (although I take things APART very, very well)..... and I have done this. I would call it more "drilling" than cutting, unless I am forgetting a step.
Regardless, it's totally worth it. After the first turn I took in my car after installing the front sways bar, there was an audible 'Holy SH#$!"
.... and pulling the tank gives you a view into an area that one rarely sees. Good to know how things are looking down there..... much like a colonoscopy.
Do it.... it's a good thing. (both things)
Cheers.
I disagree....re-installing the fresh air fan is like a colonoscopy.
Posted by: SLITS Apr 17 2015, 01:44 PM
Make sure your A-arms have the tabs on them.
Posted by: forrestkhaag Apr 17 2015, 01:52 PM
the tabs on the A-Arms are essential even if you have to weld them on or find other arms with them / but the job is easy: go to Home Depot or your local hardware store, buy two bits / a one inch diameter hole bit and a 3/8"bit and you are mostly there. Including the tank removal, it is a four hour job if done well and you can "clean up" any neglected fuel hose issues while you're at it.
Have fun. 
Posted by: Chris H. Apr 17 2015, 02:11 PM
There are a bunch of threads on the subject. It sounds pretty easy. I think even I could do it. Kent did a nice job explaining it....start at post 278...
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=201776&st=260
The measurements in mm are nice. He also references the Pelican install article.
Posted by: pilothyer Apr 17 2015, 02:19 PM
My mechanic skills are about as lame as you get (although I take things APART very, very well)..... and I have done this. I would call it more "drilling" than cutting, unless I am forgetting a step.
Regardless, it's totally worth it. After the first turn I took in my car after installing the front sways bar, there was an audible 'Holy SH#$!"
.... and pulling the tank gives you a view into an area that one rarely sees. Good to know how things are looking down there..... much like a colonoscopy.
Do it.... it's a good thing. (both things)
Cheers.
I disagree....re-installing the fresh air fan is like a colonoscopy.
You do not need to remove the fresh air box to pull the fuel tank.
Posted by: BK911 Apr 17 2015, 04:09 PM
Wow, sounds like everybody thinks I should start drilling!!
Had the fuel tank out before to condition the tank and replace fuel lines.
Also have the tabs on the a arms.
Sound like a no brained?
I just hate cutting up an original car.
I may, but haven't had enough beers yet to make a decision.
Posted by: Harpo Apr 17 2015, 04:15 PM
What about the 911 set up where the sway bar goes under the car? Supposedly it is bolt on only
David
Posted by: SirAndy Apr 17 2015, 04:46 PM
Bolt on, no cutting and works well. Only downside, it's not adjustable.
Posted by: Chris H. Apr 17 2015, 04:49 PM
But don't you need a 911 front suspension to bolt that to or no 
?
Posted by: bigkensteele Apr 17 2015, 05:02 PM
Wow, sounds like everybody thinks I should start drilling!!
Had the fuel tank out before to condition the tank and replace fuel lines.
Also have the tabs on the a arms.
Sound like a no brained?
I just hate cutting up an original car.
I may, but haven't had enough beers yet to make a decision.
If you already have the tabs on the a arms, then they probably aren't original anyway. If your car is not a concours queen, why not? There is no down-side if you do it properly.
Posted by: SirAndy Apr 17 2015, 05:16 PM
But don't you need a 911 front suspension to bolt that to or no
?No, all you need is the 911 specific tabs on your a-arms. They are different from the normal sway bar tabs (round with a rubber bushing).
The rest of the 911 underbody bar simply bolts to the steering rack support.
Posted by: SirAndy Apr 17 2015, 05:17 PM
?The rest of the 911 underbody bar simply bolts to the steering rack support.
Posted by: 76-914 Apr 17 2015, 06:14 PM
Wow, sounds like everybody thinks I should start drilling!!
Had the fuel tank out before to condition the tank and replace fuel lines.
Also have the tabs on the a arms.
Sound like a no brained?
I just hate cutting up an original car.
I may, but haven't had enough beers yet to make a decision.
If you already have the tabs on the a arms, then they probably aren't original anyway. If your car is not a concours queen, why not? There is no down-side if you do it properly.
That 911 set up is cool but I'll bet you can slap that stab in faster than changing out your entire front end. BTW, pretty sure mine
Posted by: SirAndy Apr 17 2015, 07:26 PM
That 911 set up is cool but I'll bet you can slap that stab in faster than changing out your entire front end.You don't need to change the entire front end for the 911 style setup. I just posted that pic to show how that sway bar attaches to the a-arms.
All you need is those tabs, weld them on the a-arms, get the bar with the assorted hardware and bolt it on.
Posted by: bigkensteele Apr 17 2015, 08:25 PM
I don't believe that I would be hi-jacking here since the question is pertinent to the topic.
Can someone post some measurements of where the tab is welded onto the A-arm in a 914 application? And the orientation. I have one of the GPR bars, the inner body back plates from Camp, and the tabs, but I don't know where on the A-arms to weld the tabs nor the direction.
Thanks,
Ken
Posted by: Chris H. Apr 17 2015, 09:02 PM
But don't you need a 911 front suspension to bolt that to or no
?No, all you need is the 911 specific tabs on your a-arms. They are different from the normal sway bar tabs (round with a rubber bushing).
The rest of the 911 underbody bar simply bolts to the steering rack support.
Wow that's great information. I might go this route. Thanks for the info.
Posted by: Mike Bellis Apr 17 2015, 09:53 PM
Bolt on, no cutting and works well. Only downside, it's not adjustable.
It can also drag a cat under the car for 100 feet... Poor kitty...
Posted by: Mblizzard Apr 17 2015, 10:43 PM
Did mine. Well worth it.
Posted by: euro911 Apr 17 2015, 11:24 PM
The through-body anti-sway bars are the same type on early 911s (and 912s), although they did come in different diameters. There should be a # stamped in the ends of the bar. I believe mine is 17mm.
The under-body system came along later when the cars started getting heavier and probably more than a lightweight 914 really needs.
Going to install one (through-body) on my wife's car when it's time to rebuild the suspension system(s).
Posted by: Larmo63 Apr 17 2015, 11:54 PM
Stock front sway bar is 15mm and rear is 17mm. My '73 non appearance group came with tabs, but no sway bars. They are going on next week.
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Apr 18 2015, 12:07 AM
Bolt on, no cutting and works well. Only downside, it's not adjustable.
It can also drag a cat under the car for 100 feet... Poor kitty...
Ouch...don't do it !
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