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Posted by: pgollender Apr 26 2015, 11:28 PM

I decided to replace the ball socket on my 1970 shifter . I didn't realize the plate springs were under so much tension. I haven't found a way to put them back.
Any body have an idea ?

Posted by: Old Yella Apr 26 2015, 11:54 PM

Yep they are a bitch.
I bent a small hook on the end of stiff piece of wire.
Placed the wire through one of the holes on the side of the shifter base.
Placed the spring on the wire.
Pulled the wire to compress the spring and get it in between the two holes in the shifter.
passed a Phillips screw driver through the holes and spring whilst simultaneously cutting the hook off the wire with wire cutters.
Then followed through with the retaining pin pushing the screwdriver out.
Same again for the other one.

You need strong fingers. It was a bitch but I have done it a few times that way now. Don't know if there is a special tool.

Posted by: mepstein Apr 27 2015, 04:09 AM

Leather gloves. Safety glasses vise grips. I used a Phillips screw diver to hold the spring in then pushed it out with the pin.

Posted by: jim_hoyland Apr 27 2015, 04:49 AM

There is an easy way, i recently did it. Forget exactly how but I did a seach and found a thread with the info....

Posted by: saigon71 Apr 27 2015, 05:55 AM

Oh yeah...good times with those springs!

I put one end in the housing and grabbed the other end with vice grips to compress the spring...took a couple tries, but I finally got it.

As others suggested - wear safety glasses in case the spring flies!

Posted by: maf914 Apr 27 2015, 07:03 AM

It can be done, but what a pain! I launched those things across the garage a couple of times and had to search to find them. My fingers hurt. My hands hurt. Frustration level was very high.

Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 27 2015, 07:22 AM

Put one end of a spring near a hole. Push one of the pins in as far as you can. The pin should slide about a third of the way in to the spring. Put one of the clips on the pin. This will act as a stop later. The other end of the spring will be resting on the bottom of the base. The pin will keep the spring from jumping out while you wrestle the free end. Take a small metal putty knife, stick it in the free end of the spring and push the free end down into the base. The spring will bow up slightly in the middle. Push/work he pin thru the rest of the spring and hole, then install the other clip. Repeat. Done.

Posted by: bdstone914 Apr 27 2015, 07:22 AM

Cap'n Krusty replied to a thread explaining to easy way.

Posted by: Brian_Boss Apr 27 2015, 09:55 AM

First off, if you are not holding the housing in a vice, you're making it significantly more difficult. If you don't have a vice, clamp it to something.

I basically do what Rhody said but I think it's easier if you use a long pin punch inside the spring in place of the pin. Once the spring is lined up, it will stay in place while you remove the punch and install the guide pin.

I use a long pin punch made for brake caliper work but anything that gives you a bit more leverage to "steer" the spring into place will do.

Posted by: pgollender Apr 28 2015, 03:18 PM

Thanks everyone:
With the advice given, I found it very easy to install the springs. I documented it for future World DIYer's.
A couple words first: When you install the shift guide spring and guide rings...
(that is the spring that goes into the shifter housing to put tension on the shifter ball) the small conical side goes up into the housing with the smaller diameter guide on top and the larger diameter ring on the bottom. I had it reversed at first with little to no tension. That would have effectively or problematically locked me out of reverse.
Also when putting in the retaining pins, the C-clips are slightly problematic because they run into the housing when you are threading the pin. Sometimes you can twist the C-clip just enough to barely clear the shifter housing when pushing them in, otherwise just take them off and install them at the end.
Tools needed:
Safety glasses, gloves,vise, small flat block of wood, dummy pin ( nail punch, nail, allen wrench, stiff 1" putty knife:


Here is the project 1/2 way done so you can see what was done and what has to be done:

First you thread the retainer pin in:


Make sure your vise doesn't block the exit hole:


Then thread the spring:



Put your block on top of the spring and jam the putty knife about three turns from the end:


Jam away and put pressure on top of the spring while pushing the knife-spring combination into the housing: You must get the hole of the spring to co-incide with the hole in the housing to pass your dummy pin through the open side:



Remove putty knife slowly keeping some pressure on the block, then thread the dummy pin in the open side. It will look a little wobbly like this:


Keeping a little pressure on the block, slowly push the stock retaining pin all the way through. Obviously the spring must not be blocking the exit hole:


Don't forget the four C=clips:


Viola!! Ready for Shifter rod docking:





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Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 28 2015, 11:39 PM

Well presented. The lever ball bushing are often overlooked. I hate to be a pain. The contact edge of the detention plate is pretty worn. It should be straight across the contact edge. Is the shift lever grooved at the contact point?

Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 29 2015, 11:51 AM

this is a pretty clean detent plate. junked up springs caked to the point they don't compress adds to the 1&R engagement issues. worn plate, worn shift levers, and spent lever ball bushings just makes matters worse. i'll see if i can find a shifter that has what i consider excessive wear at the detent plate rub point. the backing plate on yours is worn to the point that the crisp line is gone and the surface is wavy. new ones are $36.75 at the bird. gpr may have them also. pn 901 424 017 00. they are common for early and late shifters.


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Posted by: pgollender Apr 29 2015, 11:40 PM

Rhody-
Yes the shifter bar is very worn, look at the 6th frame down.

Should I weld this back up and grind it smooth and round ?

Also I didn't catch the worn detent plate. Not enough experience.
$36 to rid as much slop sounds like a good deal.
Not sure what vendor is "the bird"?
Pelican parts ?

Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 30 2015, 06:30 AM

Yes, pelican. I had missed the picture showing the wear point. I would consider that excessive.

Posted by: maf914 Apr 30 2015, 08:04 AM

Some what off topic, but, Weltmeister offered a kit that added two additional springs, mounted parallel to the existing springs, to increase the spring force pushing the shift lever away from the reverse-first gear gate. It was marketed to prevent engaging reverse during a first to second shift. I don't know if they still offer the kit.

Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 30 2015, 08:21 AM

Over kill. I bought into the hype and promptly took them out. MORE spring tension can't overcome wear or tighten up the shift pattern. Fix a shifter, r&r the bushings and external issues are moot.

Posted by: malcolm2 Apr 30 2015, 09:51 AM

Glad you did this. And has been the case with my car.... do it once to learn how. Then do it again. I have done lots of things more than once. You get done, then say, "CRAP" and do it again.

Hey, in post 10 where you can see your front wheel. I see a stack of cinder blocks. Are they holding up your car? Cinder blocks are designed to be used with the holes vertical, not horizontal. You never see a Karate guy smash a block by hitting the top of the block.... always the side. You never see a whole building built with the holes showing either. Becareful.

Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 30 2015, 10:19 AM

iirc with the spring kit as per instructions you drill 2 new holes per side so the total number of springs is 4. small holes, plan on extra bits. got tired of the bit bill. didn't solve anything. then discovered the problem was the shifter assem. then the rest of the bushings. then the roll pin. very frustrating. pre internet and i didn't know another person with a 914. live and die by the haynes. then i put in a side shifter.

Posted by: johnhora Apr 30 2015, 02:51 PM

nice write up pgollender...

I made this tool a long time ago for just this type of project....guess I should patent it eh...modified a large flat blade screw driver....gives that little extra push(compression) on the spring with out slipping

Posted by: r_towle Apr 30 2015, 03:02 PM

Posted by: malcolm2 Apr 30 2015, 03:54 PM

Hey that is in one of the shop manuals.

Posted by: malcolm2 Apr 30 2015, 04:02 PM

Waiting on the tranny to return so i took my sihifter out. I see some deformation on the plate. Maybe a mm or 2 and only on the secondary plate tacked to the big plate.

I turned the shifter so the side you see is the side that pushes the plate. Shaft looks good. Does this look like 80,000 miles worth? Worthy of replacing?

Sorry the picture is so big. Can't change the size using iphone.