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Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 20 2005, 10:50 AM
Friendly Admins...
IE hasn't been able to pull up the site since Friday.
Deleted all files, cookies and did a general clean up. Any ideas?
Or will it start back up Monday? 
Help please... 
Posted by: skline Feb 20 2005, 10:52 AM
You shouldnt be using IE anyway, it sucks. Go Firefox!!!
Posted by: Lawrence Feb 20 2005, 10:54 AM
I'm using IE6, and can get in just fine. Could there be an issue with your ISP?
-Lawrence
Posted by: Qarl Feb 20 2005, 10:57 AM
works fine for me
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 20 2005, 11:20 AM
Everything else loads.
Firefox won't load it either... The "only" site I can't get is 914club.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 20 2005, 11:28 AM
The Browser within CompuServe... Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 
Posted by: seanery Feb 20 2005, 11:43 AM
you've got taildraggeritis...it's a nasty virus that went out and disabled 914World.com from most well-known browsers.
you need to fix that problem 
by the way, your numbers will ship tomorrow.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 20 2005, 11:52 AM
Paul... correct.
Sean... what numbers? 
Really??? Numbers??? 
Posted by: mercdev Feb 20 2005, 12:08 PM
in winxp you can do
| CODE |
| c:\ipconfig /flushdns |
which could resolve the problem if it's locally caching your dns entries. Otherwise you could http://66.250.97.205
If that works it's definately your ISPs DNS.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 20 2005, 12:55 PM
| QUOTE |
| http://66.250.97.205 |
No worky...
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 20 2005, 12:58 PM
| QUOTE |
| c:\ipconfig /flushdns |
No worky...
Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 20 2005, 01:13 PM
Start
Run
type in cmd - press enter
in DOS box type:
tracert www.914world.com
Post the results.
Posted by: redshift Feb 20 2005, 01:41 PM
| QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 20 2005, 01:28 PM) |
| The Browser within CompuServe... Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
Come back to AOL, Steve Case is a janitor now. 10,000 FREE HOURS!
We love you!
Compuserve Staff!
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 20 2005, 02:23 PM
Demarc's got me blocked...
So am I a Dynamic Threat? 
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Posted by: mercdev Feb 20 2005, 03:27 PM
Looks like a route table is messed up, which usually means you sending an email or calling someone to tell them that their stuff is broke.
Posted by: SirAndy Feb 20 2005, 04:03 PM
here's what i got ...
(looks like the "black list" is working! )
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Posted by: redshift Feb 20 2005, 04:08 PM
I like the color of Andy's trace much better.
M
Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 20 2005, 04:36 PM
Looks like cogent is dropping your packets for some reason. You get to their network, and you hit an unamed device just before you should be getting thr 914club page and it just drops.
The address is resolving to the same IP, so its likely not a DNS issue.
Not sure how compuserve works, but if its a proxy client, then you might be getting to the site via a different route, which would not help you with this problem.
Bottom line is that you can not reach the site directly. Call your ISP and ask them to test it. See what they find.
- Joe
Posted by: SirAndy Feb 20 2005, 05:28 PM
i did a portscan on the router in question (64.237.0.250) ...
tried to telnet into it, but of course it's password protected ...
Andy
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Posted by: redshift Feb 20 2005, 06:46 PM
Ok, I am inside Eric's computer... I found it... it's a flat 0... looks like this: o... here...
-blows hard-
0
There, that should do it.
M
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 20 2005, 08:49 PM
Andy... Others...
Any idea what I should try next? Should I contact Qwest and see what they say? It seems like I get to Demarc and then it times out the request.
Is this on my end? It's a real PITA...
Any ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks,
E.
Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 20 2005, 09:26 PM
Call your ISP and have them troubleshoot it. There are way to many variables at this point, you need to start eliminating some of them and your ISP is the best place to start.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 21 2005, 09:16 AM
Thanks Joe...
Miles, get out of my computer damnit. You're hogg'n all my porn files.
Posted by: vortrex Feb 21 2005, 09:18 AM
what is the source IP you are coming from (the public one)?
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 21 2005, 09:56 AM
I haven't got a clue. Everything I know about this type of stuff would be wrapped up in that screendump. I thought it was 192.168.0.1
I just got off the phone with Qwest and they stated that it is being blocked by Novani and that I should contact the 914club and/or Novani to find out why.
Posted by: vortrex Feb 21 2005, 10:21 AM
http://www.whatismyip.com/ will tell you your public IP.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 21 2005, 11:01 AM
71.35.236.192
Posted by: seanery Feb 21 2005, 11:10 AM
this is the one the world sees eric: 205.188.116.67
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 21 2005, 11:12 AM
That's the one the world see's when I'm going through my CompuServe browser 
The one I posted is the one I am having problems with... going direct from Foxfire or IE.
Posted by: vortrex Feb 21 2005, 11:16 AM
how is the 914world.com server setup? does it just have a default route? if not, it appears as though it might not have a route back to 71.35.236.192.
Posted by: redshift Feb 21 2005, 11:26 AM
| QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 21 2005, 11:16 AM) |
| Thanks Joe... Miles, get out of my computer damnit. You're hogg'n all my porn files. |
What is it with you and women with huge breasts... and.. hairy legs?
M
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 21 2005, 11:29 AM
Uhhhhhh... those aren't women 
When I said I was having tranny problems I meant my love life
Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 21 2005, 11:35 AM
| QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 21 2005, 07:56 AM) |
| I haven't got a clue. Everything I know about this type of stuff would be wrapped up in that screendump. I thought it was 192.168.0.1 I just got off the phone with Qwest and they stated that it is being blocked by Novani and that I should contact the 914club and/or Novani to find out why. |
I assume that Novani is the hosting company for the 914club site. Who works with the hosting company for the site?
If Eric is having issues, I am sure that there are others.
Posted by: Rockaria Feb 21 2005, 12:28 PM
Just for giggles try this in IE:
Go to "TOOLS/Internet Options"
Click the "SECURITY" tab in the window that comes up.
There are four icons that are in the window now. For giggles click the first icon and then click the button "Default Level"
Do that to the other three icons, then try accessing the blocked sites again.
At my university I am always having problems with people thinking I am blocking them from our database system when in fact it is one of these settings in IE that are doing it.
Give it a try, Can't hurt anything.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 21 2005, 01:35 PM
Thanks Chris,
I'm having the problem with IE and Foxfire. I tried it but...
Anybody? Pretty Please??
Posted by: vortrex Feb 21 2005, 01:52 PM
it does not look like a brower issue, more of a routing issue. your traceroute is not working. you probably cannot ping it either. hard to troubleshoot with no access to any devices. I think andy is your only hope. a "route print" on the 914club server would be a first step.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 21 2005, 02:32 PM
I thought my traceroute was working. I thought it traced it all the way up to the Novani Demarc site...
www.novani.demarc.com is a network protection site. No??
That seems to be where my route gets timed out...
I'm lost here. Andy, is there anything you can do?
Thanks,
E.
Posted by: vortrex Feb 21 2005, 02:53 PM
you made it to the hop before the server, which is the router at the colo. your packets very well might be making it to the server, but they might not know how to get back to you. again, really hard to tell with no access to any of the devices to test from. a traceroute from the server back to your IP would be interesting to see.
Posted by: balljoint Feb 21 2005, 03:17 PM
Grab the thermos of RC Cola! Let's GO commandos, it's HOWLING TIME.
Good Luck Eric. Don't try and figure out what these guys are talking about, just go buy yourself a new computer.
Posted by: vortrex Feb 21 2005, 03:30 PM
| QUOTE (Paul Heery @ Feb 21 2005, 01:02 PM) |
| There are some other issues going on here. You're right though, I'd love to see a traceroute FROM the server to Eric. Check out my tracert below. I have good times getting to the Cogent network. But, once I get on their network it goes to hell. Target Name: www.914world.com IP: 66.250.97.205 Date/Time: 2/21/2005 3:53:21 PM 1 0 ms [192.168.0.1] 2 * [] 3 0 ms dstswr2-vlan2.rh.nrwlct.cv.net [67.83.230.162] 4 13 ms r2-ge12-1.mhe.whplny.cv.net [67.83.230.133] 5 0 ms r2-srp1-0.cr.whplny.cv.net [65.19.120.18] 6 0 ms r1-srp5-0.wan.whplny.cv.net [65.19.120.1] 7 14 ms r1-srp0-0.in.nycmny83.cv.net [65.19.96.83] 8 27 ms r1-pos1-0.in.asbnva16.cv.net [167.206.8.150] 9 * [] 10 14 ms p11-0.core01.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.2.201] 11 97 ms p10-0.core02.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.209] 12 82 ms g50.ba01.b003070-1.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.5.182] 13 96 ms Novani.demarc.cogentco.com [66.28.28.102] 14 96 ms [64.237.0.250] 15 96 ms ftp.914world.com [66.250.97.205] |
those RTT's are not that bad really and latency would not be the cause of being unable to access the site.
Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 21 2005, 04:07 PM
| QUOTE (vortrex @ Feb 21 2005, 12:53 PM) |
| you made it to the hop before the server, which is the router at the colo. your packets very well might be making it to the server, but they might not know how to get back to you. again, really hard to tell with no access to any of the devices to test from. a traceroute from the server back to your IP would be interesting to see. |
This is in Andy's ballpark now. I assume he can remote into the server and run a tracert or a ping test to check basic connectivity from end-to-end. IP routing can be about as basic as it gets, but sometimes can be a nightmare sorting it out.
Andy??
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 21 2005, 05:35 PM
Andy??
Posted by: SirAndy Feb 21 2005, 07:08 PM
Andy ???
Posted by: SirAndy Feb 21 2005, 07:09 PM
Novani.demarc.cogentco is not our provider. there's still another box inbetween.
i did find the problem, however. look at this traceroute ... 
i forwarded this to our ISP guys. we'll see if they can do something about it ...
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Posted by: redshift Feb 21 2005, 07:38 PM
I think it' Eric's stupid packets, they stumble around, and never make it home.
I happen to have freshly taught European made homing packets, fresh in from Europe.
These are the expensive ones, don't insult me.
M
Posted by: KaptKaos Feb 21 2005, 09:02 PM
| QUOTE (SirAndy @ Feb 21 2005, 05:09 PM) |
| Novani.demarc.cogentco is not our provider. there's still another box inbetween. i did find the problem, however. look at this traceroute ... i forwarded this to our ISP guys. we'll see if they can do something about it ... |
Loop-de-loop!! Yup, its in the middle. Someone prolly decided to change something on the fly. Hate it when that happens.
Good luck with that.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 22 2005, 09:22 AM
So Miles... are you saying "If you have to ask... they're too expensive" ?
I'm glad the rest of you guys know what the fuch you're doing cause I sure don't. I can bang on brakes and hubs but getting replies from servers 
So... correct me if I'm wrong here but; I'm getting through, it's just not making it back to me? On the return trip it runs into this loop Andy posted?? Am I the only lucky one affected by this SNAFU?
Thanks for looking into it and please keep me posted on the results.
E.
Posted by: SirAndy Feb 22 2005, 10:52 AM
| QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 22 2005, 07:22 AM) |
| So... correct me if I'm wrong here but; I'm getting through, it's just not making it back to me? On the return trip it runs into this loop Andy posted?? Am I the only lucky one affected by this SNAFU? |
yepp, you hit the hammer on the hub ...
Andy
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 22 2005, 04:47 PM
Andy,
Any luck? I spoke with a few admin-types and they stated that you're the only one who can get this resolved.
Sorry to bug you but it's goin on six days now.
Thanks in advance, 
Eric
Posted by: vortrex Feb 22 2005, 05:09 PM
who did you talk to? someone at novani.com needs to have a look at the routers.
1-866-4-NOVANI
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 22 2005, 08:32 PM
Andy,
Any word from the "ISP" guys?
This is hell...
Posted by: Rockaria Feb 22 2005, 09:25 PM
Just for giggles again. (Yes I still feel the problem is on your end) You have either DSL or Cable? Right? Have you asked a friend to bring over a laptop and get on your network to check it out? Also, how internet savy is your family? My wife locked a site out of the router so my kid could not get to it. Impressed me she knew how to set up that on the DSL router. Also a while back after the 914club site was off line for a while, after it came back one of my computers failed to get on but the others did.
As well, Can you ping www.914world.com "Start/Run-Type "Command" at the prompt type "ping www.914world.com" it should answer with speeds or timeout.
I am just guessing here but I have a strange feeling someone has not gone out of their way to block you from only one site on a strange router location. But the software running at 914club can ban an IP address or range from connecting, BUt I am sure the admins looked there first...
Hey, I'm batting at air here....
Posted by: vortrex Feb 22 2005, 09:30 PM
problem is not on his end. the problem is a routing issue local to novani.com.
Posted by: Rockaria Feb 22 2005, 09:37 PM
| QUOTE (vortrex @ Feb 22 2005, 09:30 PM) |
| problem is not on his end. the problem is a routing issue local to novani.com. |
I have read this post from top to bottom and nowhere does he mention he has tried another computer...
Has he ABSOLUTELY proved its the ISP or external system by testing and getting an identical problem on another computer... If so then yes its out of his hands. if NO then you can not be sure.
After all the stuff the guy has done, The very next thing I do with a situation like this is to hook up my laptop at the persons place and see what mine does on their network. This will tell you for sure where the problem exists.
I get wild ass tracerouts all the time depending on time of day and strange stuff. There is a saying, "Don't jump to concusions."
Wild stuff can happen and it may look like one thing while it is another.
Just make sure you cover all bases with ABSOLUTE PROOF before stating facts.
Just my thoughts. I STILL think it's on his end until all possibilities are eliminated and proven.
My favorte Tech support call goes something like this:
Caller: My Computer just crashed and will not turn on.
Techie: Turn off the powerstrip and wait a few moments then turn it on.
Caller: I did that a few time still nothing.
Techie: is the monitor on
Caller: NO, and I am pissed off.
Techie: Okay sir no worries. Did the powerstrip get unplugged?
Caller: I cannot see that, let me get a flashlight and look.
Techie: You need a flashlight?
Caller: Yes, The power is out and I cannot see the plug....
Posted by: vortrex Feb 22 2005, 10:41 PM
did you see the traceroute with the routing loop? router "B" is saying go to "A" to reach eric and router "A" is saying go to router "B". this has absolutely nothing to do with eric, or even eric's ISP. trust me on this one. I do this all day long for a living.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 22 2005, 10:59 PM
Chris... even I was able to glean from Andy's screen capture that THE FUCHING PROBLEM IS NOT ON MY END.
Now go make yourself useful and paint me a picture of my 914-6/GT in Chrome Yellow and one in Signal Orange. I need to decide.
E.
P.S. I tried the computer downstairs, networked... NOWORKED. Feel better? Pictures... go make pictures damnit 
Posted by: SirAndy Feb 22 2005, 11:43 PM
| QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 22 2005, 06:32 PM) |
| Any word from the "ISP" guys? |
nope, not yet. i'll call them tomorrow ...
AndyPS: yes, this BBS has a IP ban-list, but, when i do a tracert from this server to his IP, i'm not running that through this PHP BBS software, so that IP ban-list is certainly not the fault. the router is in a loop for that particular IP or subnet, which is a routing table issue.
Posted by: vortrex Feb 23 2005, 12:04 AM
yup and the routing announcement I see out on the internet for eric's IP is a /14, which means things could potentially be messed up for a whole lot of people.
Posted by: Rockaria Feb 23 2005, 08:40 AM
| QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 22 2005, 10:59 PM) |
| THE FUCHING PROBLEM IS NOT ON MY END. ... |
If its not on your end I will buy you a beer!
| QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 22 2005, 10:59 PM) |
| ...P.S. I tried the computer downstairs, networked... NOWORKED. ... |
That is all I wanted to know.
Good luck,
Posted by: Lawrence Feb 23 2005, 08:49 AM
I had a problem with my ISP when I couldn't reach the 914world.com either. This happened in ?December?
Everyone was sure the problem was at my end. Heck, I was sure of that and was ready to format and reload my system.
Finally, I got "level 2" tech support from my ISP (DSL). They had me plug in manual IP addresses for the DNS server, rather than the automatic settings I was getting from DHCP.
This worked, and I haven't had to mess with it since. HTH.
-Rusty 
Posted by: Rockaria Feb 23 2005, 09:02 AM
This all reminds me of this group solving a bad running 914 long distance... "Is it a vacuum leak? valve adjust? Electrical short. No It must be a vacuum leak. You checked that? Are you sure. I know its a vacuum leak... "
Just funnin'. Long distance tech support is not easy... I had a client with a computer problem in NYC once that we did everything to fix. I mean everything we could think of. But nothing worked. So the company paid for me to fly out and see what was the problem. When I got there I stood behind the computer, had the guy sit down. I did not touch a thing and walked him through what we had done over the phone and it WORKED perfectly. Go figure!
Posted by: Rockaria Feb 23 2005, 10:48 AM
You want to decide between yellow and orange? You do need help!
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Posted by: Rockaria Feb 23 2005, 10:49 AM
Hmmm... Orange is nice but yellow gets through the router faster?
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Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 23 2005, 12:03 PM
Chris,
You da man. 
I'll take pictures in lew of brews (for now) 
If the damn car wasn't Chrome Yellow already, there wouldn't be a decision. I kinda hate Chrome Yellow and I kinda love signal orange, especially for a GT.
Got any with black bumpers and no rear valance?
Posted by: Rockaria Feb 23 2005, 01:02 PM
| QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 23 2005, 12:03 PM) |
| Got any with black bumpers and no rear valance? ... |
Never done a "no" rear valence before. I have no idea what it should look like. Oh well... I still think the trouble is on your end no matter what tracert I see... "Now where is the tounge sticky out icon at?" I guess this will have to do!
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Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 23 2005, 03:47 PM
Thanks Chris...
I'm pretty sure it's on my end too... now if I could just get my flashlight and find a way to plug in my computer
Why, oh why can't I access the club through my regular browser's???
Posted by: bd1308 Feb 23 2005, 03:54 PM
what about a hosts file....having the 914club DNS name map to something like 127.0.0.1 or soemthing crazy like that would prevent him from accessing the site in a particular browser, correct? I also believe that Compuserve uses its own hosts file too
Posted by: redshift Feb 23 2005, 04:25 PM
Erock, have you tried resetting your browser doodads... like security... if you have a firewall, reset the list... try upgrading your browser after you do all that..
Once you've wasted all that time, come back, and vent some more.
M
Posted by: vortrex Feb 23 2005, 04:44 PM
good lord people, it is a routing loop!!!
Posted by: Lawrence Feb 23 2005, 05:05 PM
| QUOTE (Rockaria @ Feb 23 2005, 11:48 AM) |
| You want to decide between yellow and orange? You do need help! |
Got one in cobalt blue? That ROCKS!
Posted by: SirAndy Feb 23 2005, 05:11 PM
| QUOTE (vortrex @ Feb 23 2005, 02:44 PM) |
| good lord people, it is a routing loop!!! |
... THEM ---> 
Posted by: SirAndy Feb 23 2005, 05:21 PM
ok, now this is funny ... 
first, i did a tracert again from the server to his IP, still in a loop ...
then, i check for the whole subnet (.1), route is fine!
so i then check one IP down and one IP up and they're fine as well (don't mind the timeout on 191, that just means the box is turned off right now).
this is strange that just 1 IP is trapped in a loop.
makes me think maybe someone else is using your IP for spoofing.
is your DSL the dialup type or do you have a fixed IP?
if it's a dialup shut down all your computers and your DSL router and contact your ISP and ask them to manually expire your lease on that IP.
once they've done that, you should be getting a new IP when you reboot your DSL router ...
Andy
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert 71.35.236.192
Tracing route to 71-35-236-192.slkc.qwest.net [71.35.236.192]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 66.28.117.161
2 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 64.237.0.249
3 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms core02.exc.sf.novani.com [66.28.117.254]
4 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 64.237.0.249
5 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms core02.exc.sf.novani.com [66.28.117.254]
6 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 64.237.0.249
7 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms core02.exc.sf.novani.com [66.28.117.254]
^C
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert 71.35.236.1
Tracing route to 71-35-236-1.slkc.qwest.net [71.35.236.1]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 66.28.117.161
2 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 64.237.0.249
3 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms f29.ba01.b003070-1.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.28.101]
4 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms g0-2.core02.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.5.181]
5 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms p15-0.core01.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.69]
6 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms p4-0.core01.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.94]
7 <10 ms <10 ms 15 ms p10-0.core01.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.2.2]
8 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms qwest.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10.154]
9 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms svx-core-01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.214.133]
10 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms svl-core-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.14.77]
11 16 ms 15 ms 16 ms slk-core-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.205.117]
12 16 ms 16 ms 15 ms slkc-agw2.inet.qwest.net [205.171.131.38]
13 16 ms 15 ms 16 ms 67.41.239.104
14 62 ms 78 ms 63 ms 71-35-236-1.slkc.qwest.net [71.35.236.1]
Trace complete.
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert 71.35.236.191
Tracing route to 71-35-236-191.slkc.qwest.net [71.35.236.191]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 66.28.117.161
2 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 64.237.0.249
3 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms f29.ba01.b003070-1.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.28.101]
4 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms g0-2.core02.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.5.181]
5 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms p15-0.core01.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.69]
6 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms p4-0.core01.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.94]
7 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms p10-0.core01.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.2.2]
8 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms qwest.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10.154]
9 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms svx-core-01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.214.133]
10 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms svl-core-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.14.77]
11 16 ms 15 ms 16 ms slk-core-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.205.117]
12 16 ms 16 ms 15 ms slkc-agw2.inet.qwest.net [205.171.131.38]
13 15 ms 16 ms 31 ms 67.41.239.72
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * ^C
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert 71.35.236.193
Tracing route to 71-35-236-193.slkc.qwest.net [71.35.236.193]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 66.28.117.161
2 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 64.237.0.249
3 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms f29.ba01.b003070-1.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.28.101]
4 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms g0-2.core02.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.5.181]
5 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms p15-0.core01.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.69]
6 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms p4-0.core01.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.94]
7 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms p10-0.core01.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.2.2]
8 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms qwest.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10.154]
9 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms svx-core-01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.214.133]
10 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms svl-core-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.14.77]
11 16 ms 15 ms 16 ms slk-core-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.205.117]
12 15 ms 16 ms 16 ms slkc-agw2.inet.qwest.net [205.171.131.38]
13 16 ms 15 ms 16 ms 67.41.239.72
14 62 ms 47 ms 62 ms 71-35-236-193.slkc.qwest.net [71.35.236.193]
Trace complete.
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>
Posted by: vortrex Feb 23 2005, 06:14 PM
well it wouldn't be any sort of spoofing, still is a routing problem. this is more interesting now though! this could be solved in 10 min if someone who owns these routers would run a simple command:
show ip route 71.35.236.192 (cisco syntax)
show ip route 71.35.236.193
compare the two routes and figure out the differences. this will tell you lots of information.
a couple possible causes would be a static host route for .192 (no idea why there would be a static) or a bad CEF entry (cisco centric).
Posted by: Rockaria Feb 23 2005, 06:28 PM
| QUOTE (vortrex @ Feb 23 2005, 06:14 PM) |
| a couple possible causes would be a static host route for .192... |
And I bet it is solved by turning of the modem for the night and in the AM turning it on again. Unless he has a static IP he should get a new one and all wil be fixed... From his end... My bet is his modem is just messed up a bit (Causeing the loopy issues) and a reboot and such will fix it.
Can you tell I like to make faces at unleashed Pitbulls through the fence? I do, I really do!
Posted by: redshift Feb 23 2005, 06:32 PM
A routing loop....
I saw this episode, where Kirk sees himself... Eric! It's imperative that you DO NOT SPEAK TO YOURSELF FROM THE FUTURE.
M
Posted by: vortrex Feb 23 2005, 06:35 PM
| QUOTE (Rockaria @ Feb 23 2005, 04:28 PM) | ||
And I bet it is solved by turning of the modem for the night and in the AM turning it on again. Unless he has a static IP he should get a new one and all wil be fixed... From his end... My bet is his modem is just messed up a bit (Causeing the loopy issues) and a reboot and such will fix it. Can you tell I like to make faces at unleashed Pitbulls through the fence? I do, I really do! |
LOL.
rebooting his modem is not going to fix a routing loop out on the internet.
probably his easiest way to fix this (since the other ISP does not care) is call his ISP and either get a new IP either DHCP or staitc for his PC NOT HIS MODEM.
Posted by: Rockaria Feb 23 2005, 06:56 PM
| QUOTE (vortrex @ Feb 23 2005, 06:35 PM) |
| ... for his PC NOT HIS MODEM. |
I think the gate to this pitbull is open... Now I am going to poke at it...
His computer IP should be 192.168.0.5 or whatever for a qwest modem assigning DHCP addresses. The modem has the interenet IP of 71.35.236.192 or whatever... That is the number that is causing the trouble and needs changing... The DSL modem needs a new IP, I am guessing...
It's all good!
Posted by: Lawrence Feb 23 2005, 07:07 PM
IIRC, AOL plugs into your existing version of internet explorer... but routes web traffic through THEIR DNS server and routers.
If he can connect to the 914Club on AOL (while connected with DSL), but not when using his independent browser, the problem is with his ISP, not his computer, router, modem, firewall or anything else in his house.
My money is still on DNS settings. This is exactly what I went through for several days - Andy and Clay helped me with some suggestions, but finally I got a nimrod at SBC tech support that actually worked in the U.S., and they gave me IP addresses to manually input rather than relying on DHCP.
Voila... no more problems connecting.
-Rusty
Posted by: vortrex Feb 23 2005, 07:25 PM
| QUOTE (Rockaria @ Feb 23 2005, 04:56 PM) | ||
I think the gate to this pitbull is open... Now I am going to poke at it... His computer IP should be 192.168.0.5 or whatever for a qwest modem assigning DHCP addresses. The modem has the interenet IP of 71.35.236.192 or whatever... That is the number that is causing the trouble and needs changing... The DSL modem needs a new IP, I am guessing... It's all good! |
LOL again.
his modem is not going to have a public IP. his modem is a bridge and gets a private address through DHCP for administration purposes only. he has a router at his house which gets the public IP from DHCP (or static). the router gives his PC the 192.x.x.x address.
Posted by: vortrex Feb 23 2005, 07:28 PM
this thread has turned into the equivalent of your 914 brakes squealing and the mechanic putting in new spark plugs for you.
Posted by: SirAndy Feb 23 2005, 07:28 PM
| QUOTE (vortrex @ Feb 23 2005, 05:25 PM) |
| his modem is not going to have a public IP |
unless ...
he's got a DSL router, in which case the router and the DSL modem have a static IP because they're in one box !
Andy
Posted by: SirAndy Feb 23 2005, 07:29 PM
| QUOTE (vortrex @ Feb 23 2005, 05:28 PM) |
| this thread has turned into ... |
thanks !
Posted by: vortrex Feb 23 2005, 07:33 PM
| QUOTE (SirAndy @ Feb 23 2005, 05:28 PM) | ||
unless ... he's got a DSL router, in which case the router and the DSL modem have a static IP because they're in one box ! Andy |
this is a possibility but I think this is pretty much just two devices in one chassis, so I think the modem (DSL interface) would still have the private IP and the router half would get the public IP from the ISP.
EDIT: I looked it up on the qwest website, he probably has the Actiontec® GT701-wg device which is an all-in-one DSL/router. it has a private IP and the public CPE IP given from qwest. so it's just two devices in the same box.
Posted by: Rockaria Feb 23 2005, 08:12 PM
| QUOTE (vortrex @ Feb 23 2005, 07:33 PM) |
| it has a private IP and the public CPE IP given from qwest. so it's just two devices in the same box. |
I have this exact same device. Turn it off, wait, turn it on and it should get a new IP. If not call qwest and they can change it for you. I have had to do that before on mine.
Committe tech support at its best...
Oh Yeah, Try and reboot the box with a chopstick... But don't break it off man...
Posted by: Rockaria Feb 23 2005, 08:17 PM
Beers on me all around!
http://www.virtualbartender.beer.com/beer_usa.htm
Posted by: Twystd1 Feb 23 2005, 08:43 PM
I R thunk it R broke...
Twystd1
Posted by: redshift Feb 23 2005, 09:19 PM
Why are we helping Eric?
We aren't. So, there.
M
Posted by: bd1308 Feb 23 2005, 09:41 PM
okay I have your solution. Had the EXACT SAME PROBLEM. here's what you do.....first unplug your DSL/Cable modem and yell at it until you feel your throat getting sore. Then, you go to your breaker box and take out every OTHER breaker except the computer/router one. Then you Overclock your computer and make it run real crappy and instable. Lastly, you take a regular ethernet cord, and instead of hooking it to your cable modem, you take the receiving pairs to 120VAC common and the sending pairs to 120VAC hot. The computer will love it. BUT, wire it up to a switch. After that, you buy some platic explosive and line your cable modem with it and attach the ignition lead to that very switch. Stand 10 feet away and watch all of your problems dissapear at the flick of the switch. Then go outside and work on your 914...worked for me!
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 24 2005, 09:09 AM
Good Morning Andy
Anyone have a line on plastic explosives?
Posted by: Rockaria Feb 24 2005, 10:46 AM
| QUOTE (Lawrence @ Feb 23 2005, 05:05 PM) |
| Got one in cobalt blue? That ROCKS! |
Sure, Wideboy:
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Posted by: Rockaria Feb 24 2005, 10:47 AM
Or Narrow:
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Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 24 2005, 02:02 PM
Good afternoon Andy
Posted by: redshift Feb 24 2005, 02:15 PM
What about Bob? What about Bob?
M
Posted by: SirAndy Feb 24 2005, 03:21 PM
| QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 24 2005, 12:02 PM) |
| Good afternoon Andy |
any luck with getting a new IP address ???
Andy
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 24 2005, 05:28 PM
Is that what you want me to do?
Should I call Qwest to do this or is there some other way such as winipconfig, release all etc...??
Posted by: Rockaria Feb 24 2005, 05:39 PM
| QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 24 2005, 05:28 PM) |
| Is that what you want me to do? Should I call Qwest to do this or is there some other way such as winipconfig, release all etc...?? |
There is only 2 ways to get a new IP on the qwest box.
1) Call Qwest Tech support and ask.
2) Turn off the modem/router for the night and you should get a new address in the Morning when you turn it back on. At least Mine does. If yours does not, You need to call qwest.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 24 2005, 05:46 PM
I've unplugged mine about a dozen time since this has happened... does that count or does it have to be a certain period of time.
I'll just call Qwest.
Posted by: redshift Feb 24 2005, 05:49 PM
Eric, how long is a piece of string?
ROFL
Why don't you just call Qwest?
M
Posted by: SirAndy Feb 24 2005, 05:50 PM
| QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 24 2005, 03:46 PM) |
| I've unplugged mine about a dozen time since this has happened... does that count or does it have to be a certain period of time. |
your modem get's what's called a "lease", so if you just recycle your modem, it won't get a new IP because your lease has not yet expired.
as i said some 20 posts ago, either leave the modem off for long enough (which entirely depends on how qwest has set up their lease-config)
or call them and have them manually expire it for you to make sure you get a new IP ...
Andy
Posted by: Rockaria Feb 24 2005, 05:52 PM
| QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 24 2005, 05:46 PM) |
| I've unplugged mine about a dozen time since this has happened... does that count or does it have to be a certain period of time. I'll just call Qwest. |
I have noticed it takes anywhere from 5 to 12 hours being off before it will get a new IP. Call qwest and it will be at least 20 minutes of holding. But that is faster.
Posted by: vortrex Feb 24 2005, 06:08 PM
| QUOTE (SirAndy @ Feb 24 2005, 03:50 PM) |
| your modem get's what's called a "lease", so if you just recycle your modem, it won't get a new IP because your lease has not yet expired. as i said some 20 posts ago, either leave the modem off for long enough (which entirely depends on how qwest has set up their lease-config) or call them and have them manually expire it for you to make sure you get a new IP ... Andy |
you might have what is called static DHCP. in this case you will always get the same IP, no matter how long you wait or how many times you reboot.
typical lease times are one week. there is a half life where your IP will be verified mid way through your lease.
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 25 2005, 09:36 AM
Thanks Chris... I wasn't static.
I owe you a beer now.
Posted by: Rockaria Feb 25 2005, 09:47 AM
| QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Feb 25 2005, 09:36 AM) |
| Thanks Chris... I wasn't static. I owe you a beer now. :beer2: |
I assume it's all working now? I hope it all worked out. I was getting worried there.
On a similar note. As I read back through this thread I start to imagine what it is like for companies like Novani, who have routers on the net to direct traffic. They must get flooded with calls from yahoos like us demanding they fix problems they may have nothing to do with. I work for a university system and I get my share of calls from people who can't get to my services and they always think its my fault, when 99 times out of 100 it's on their end caused by firewalls, malware, and messed up modems/computer configs. Not to mention messed up ... Well you get the point
Oh well, it's all good!
Posted by: GWN7 Feb 27 2005, 02:12 AM
I read this thread with interest tonight after trying to access renegadehybrids site and the page would only show it loading and sit there.
I checked the tools/ internet options/ security and nothing there was wrong/blocked.
I did a tracert to www.renegadehybrids.com and got a timed out responce.
I tyed to manualy enter their IP 64.250.230.18 and got the black screen of death.
I checked with someone else to see if their site worked (it does)
anyone? suggestions?
Posted by: GWN7 Feb 27 2005, 07:13 AM
Still no access.....in IE it shows the bars across the bottom as loading (get's to 1/2 way and stops)
I've checked with several others and they can open it np. 
Posted by: Eric_Shea Feb 28 2005, 12:21 AM
Unplug your modem overnight... right Chris?
Seriously, you can try to get people to figure out the IP issue from the other end (which, as you can see, is impossible) or you can go the route I went and simply get a new IP address.
I wasn't static so all I had to do was what Chris recommended, unplug it (for more than two hours) and then plug it back in (power cord).
Posted by: redshift Feb 28 2005, 02:15 AM
Let me go unplug my car.. again.
M
Posted by: dgw Mar 6 2005, 09:57 PM
I came across this today, which may or may not be relavant to the problem that spawned this thread.
Quote: from langalist [listreply_std@langa.com] 2005-02-28
I recently tried to load the web page of my local computer
parts supplier, Rapidpcs.com, using IE6. I got the page not
found error message. I rang the shop and confirmed the page
was up and running. I tried using Firefox and got the same
result, i.e. this page contains no date (this is the same as
Page Not Found in IE6) I tried dozens of other sites from my
favourites and they all loaded.
I rang the BT help desk. 30 minutes later they said they
couldn't help. They put me onto a supervisor. He couldn't
solve the problem. They then booked a call back from a
specialist team member. After more than 40 minutes, he
couldn't solve it. Not being a "techie" I can't remember much
of what they tried, but I do remember them telling me to open
the "hosts" file and to do a ping test. That confirmed my
computer was communicating with the site, but for some reason
the page would not load in IE6 or Firefox.
In the end they said that there was obviously something wrong
with my set up and I should re-install Windows. I did so, and
sure enough, I was able to access that particular web page
[for a while. But then later] the same mysterious error has
somehow got back into my system!
I am aware that you can stop a particular programme from
accessing the internet, i.e. telling your firewall etc. but
the BT (British Telecom) helpdesk agreed with me that they
don't know of any software or setting that can prevent access
to one, or now two and possibly more, web sites.
Do you have any idea what is going on? Kind regards, Geoff
After several rounds of email, it became clear that Geoff had two
problems. One was a utility he was using: "Peer Guardian." Like so many
hyper-aggressive security tools, this one ended up blocking access to
valid sites, too. When he removed that utility, the problem mostly---
but not entirely--- went away.
The remaining part of his problem had nothing to do with Geoff at all:
Most sites are set up to work with or without the "www" in the URL. For
example, http://langa.com and http://www.langa.com get you to the same place. So, Geoff (not unreasonably) assumed that rapidpcs.com and
www.rapidpcs.com were the same.
But they're not. http://rapidpcs.com/ doesn't work, but
http://www.rapidpcs.com/ is perfectly fine.
This can happen when, by design, accident or other reason, a web host or
registrar sets things up so that you *must* use the "www" in the URL.
Yes, it's a little silly, but a surprising number of sites are set up
just that way.
So; If you have trouble connecting to a site that you think *should* be
working, be sure to try both the long and the short form of the URL. If
one doesn't work, the other just might.
If neither way works, and you're sure the site is there, and that you
have the URL correct, then it may be something on your own PC that's
blocking you.
Unquote
Posted by: GWN7 Mar 6 2005, 10:14 PM
With mine, I called my IP and they did a trace from their end and found that no one using their system could access the renegade site. The problem was further up the pipeline.
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