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Posted by: bandjoey Jun 9 2015, 09:46 PM

http://www.compositedimensions.com/popular-products


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Posted by: Mike Bellis Jun 9 2015, 10:30 PM

I didn't know Israel was making 914 parts. I didn't even know they had any 914's there. Looks like cool stuff! wonder what the shipping cost is?

Posted by: mepstein Jun 10 2015, 05:56 AM

There has been at least one member from israel on world. Israel would be a great place to own a 914. The cars don't rust. I saw a ton of old vw buses when I was there being used as delivery vehicles.

Posted by: Philip W. Jun 10 2015, 06:12 AM

interesting, their main business is drone and airplane parts , wonder what lead them down the 914 path, maybe a company owner isa 914 guy? parts look well done -
they do commision work. so maybe a group buy of 914 parts would be considered (im sure expensive and probably cost prohibitive ie. like a CF targa!! top!!)

Posted by: pvollma Jun 10 2015, 07:06 AM

Website says flat fee of $25 for shipping to US or EU.

Posted by: RobW Jun 10 2015, 08:00 AM

Is the stock center console that heavy?

For racing, how much lighter is a carbon fiber center console over chucking your stock console out of the the car entirely?

Posted by: sb914 Jun 10 2015, 08:05 AM

It's the look!

Posted by: RobW Jun 10 2015, 08:07 AM

How much are stickers?

Posted by: Mike Bellis Jun 10 2015, 06:26 PM

It's way faster than vinyl.

Posted by: Harpo Jun 25 2015, 04:21 PM

I went ahead and ordered the bezel and I received it yesterday. It looks very nice.

Posted by: Harpo Jun 25 2015, 04:22 PM

Would anyone be interested in a group buy for a hood?

Thanks

David

Posted by: Mike Bellis Jun 25 2015, 06:08 PM

Maybe but shipping would be pricey from Israel.

Posted by: Harpo Jun 25 2015, 06:54 PM

I will inquire on pricing including shipping to us on 5 hoods. Front or rear or both?

Posted by: snakemain Jun 25 2015, 08:01 PM

Fo hunnit dollars for sun visors!

Posted by: 914forme Jun 26 2015, 07:01 AM

I would love carbon front and rear hoods, door skins would also be on my list. Carbon top, most likely not unless I could epoxy it to the A-pilar, and roof. The epoxy joint would be the week spot on that one.

What are we talking $$$$ wise, need to save some coin for a GB

Posted by: Harpo Jul 1 2015, 06:10 PM

Here is what I got back from the carbon fiber guys. Although I don't know what the shipping would be from getty design this seems expensive. Does anyone know exactly what Getty supplies in comparison?

Posted by: Harpo Jul 1 2015, 06:13 PM

BTW someone here in the states has commissioned this mirror

Posted by: matthepcat Jul 1 2015, 06:44 PM

^^ Looks cool, but very easy to snap off the mounting base ^^

Posted by: sb914 Jul 1 2015, 07:46 PM

Posted by: mr914 Jul 2 2015, 12:17 AM

Sell it cheap, charge an arm and leg for shipping and handling....

Anyone remember the RONCO Pocket Fisherman?

International shipping has become ridicoulus. Buyer paid $77+ to ship green dot jack to England. Had conversation with left coaster that paid around $700 for shipping a set of minilites across the ocean....

Me personally, I would like to see in carbon fibre:
1) a-pillars. Both with and without guage pods
2) Trim peice between A-pillars that sun visors mount thru
3) B-pillar cover for coat hook cover
4) front roll bar pad - good ones hard to find, make .050 undersized. Cover ot au-natural...

Cool/possibly un-necessary....
1) headlight motor mechanism guard/cover, left and right
2) group 42 battery cover as stock
3) relay box cover

Under the always wondered category....
Battery tray. Riv-nut in place, built in port for drain. Stong enough for real world application?
Rocker Panels - as strong as stock steal ones.


Hard part is, is semi-brake even cost wise? Knew someone in the Leary 90s that had a company make "protectors " for the front part of chrome sidepipes for early corvettes out of acrylic.. Sold the for $200 a pair. Back then, setup cost to install in thermoformers ran $250, machine/labor time ran $120 an hour and material was about $6 a part. 5 hour minimum run time....

Kind of sounds like one of Mikeys group buys. Spend $5-6K on tooling and production and with any luck, make a grand or two in the process.

Posted by: Chris H. Jul 2 2015, 06:33 AM

Yeah that's a really nice option. At that price I'm probably going to the 993 Aero mirror but would like to see more pics on a car.

Posted by: Mike Bellis Jul 2 2015, 05:52 PM

$899 for CF hood from Getty. Shipping unknown.

http://www.gettydesign.com/914_bodywork.php

Posted by: Harpo Jul 2 2015, 07:25 PM

Does anyone have a Getty hood that can speak to the quality. Somewhere I thought I read that they don't do class A surfaces, just for race cars.

David

Posted by: Mike Bellis Jul 2 2015, 07:55 PM

If you are looking for CF "BLING", you are going to want a nice UV protective clear coat. CF will turn yellowish with sun exposure.

I saw a Getty rear lid at parts heaven. It was not class A but it was used, scraped and $400. It needed too much work to look nice for me. But I would run a new one and not worry about gloss.

Posted by: db9146 Jul 2 2015, 09:23 PM

10 or so years ago, there was a group buy or front and rear lids with Getty. IIRC, the cost was about $1200 plus shipping for the pair.

Anyone have a pair? How are they holding up?

Posted by: 914forme Jul 3 2015, 05:40 AM

What did Joe use on the RS. Seems like that is one of the newest builds I know that used CF parts.


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Posted by: dovsky Jul 3 2015, 03:49 PM

Hello everyone, happy 4th of July!

I’m Dov Chartarifsky, the owner of http://www.compositedimensions.com/, the company that makes some of the products being discussed in this thread. I’m also the owner of the only (as far as I know) 914 in Israel - see photo. Let me know if I can answer any questions about these or any other items that you may be considering having them made from carbon fiber material. I'll be happy to discuss any project.

Have a great holiday weekend!
Dov

Posted by: Harpo Jul 3 2015, 05:19 PM

Posted by: mepstein Jul 3 2015, 06:21 PM

There used to be others. Maybe still around?
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=58647&hl=Israel

My sister lives in Jerusalem and she said she has seen a 914 in Israel. I had mine since I was a teen so she knows what they look like.

Posted by: dovsky Jul 4 2015, 01:57 AM

Yes, at one point there used to be a few more on the road back in the 80’s and early 90’s. Today no one in the local classic car scene that I talked to is aware of any other road-legal 914. The other fellow’s last post was from Aug 06. I sincerely hope he was able to restore his, but with no local parts sources and outrageous customs/import taxes on auto parts, not to mention the stringent safety restrictions imposed on older cars, it makes it almost impossible and cost prohibit to restore a 914 to road worthiness stage after a major collision. I know there are 1-2 non-drivable examples parked elsewhere in the country. Maybe your sister came across one of those or perhaps saw me driving mine (Israel is a very tiny country). Anyway, I wish there were more 914 owners in Israel, that way we could establish a local club. People still prefer to import 911’s, as well as 924/944 and 928’s. The 914 remains extremely rare here, most people still confuse it for a classic Italian or a kit car.

Cheers!

Posted by: dovsky Aug 9 2015, 02:33 AM

This was just an early prototype that we were testing. The final product comprises a much more robust design. You can see it at: http://www.compositedimensions.com/carbon-fiber-f1-style-side-mirrors

Hope you like it. Group buys are always welcome...


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Posted by: ConeDodger Aug 9 2015, 08:09 AM

This is a glass lid with the balsa reinforcement or as it's called the GT Replica lid. The fit is perfect front and rear. Oh, it's Getty...


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Posted by: bandjoey Aug 9 2015, 08:29 AM

Dov. That's a great looking 914! Thanks for the info on your parts, too

Posted by: Marv's3.6six Aug 9 2015, 09:46 AM

Here is a Getty Carbon lid painted. Very high quality. No complaints from me, good stuff. Purchased and painted 10 years ago.


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Posted by: 914forme Aug 9 2015, 12:03 PM

How did I miss that car Marv that thing is

Now I wish I had picked up the hoods from the RS I knew the deal would not have lasted as long as it took me to get some liquid funds.

Posted by: Valy Aug 9 2015, 02:48 PM

ד"ש מקליפורניה!

Posted by: dovsky Aug 10 2015, 08:03 AM

ד"ש מזכירון יעקב!
Regards from Zichron Ya'akov!

Posted by: Valy Aug 10 2015, 09:15 AM

Just connecting some dots here. If you are the only owner than you must have sink a Mustang in the Mediterranean few years back. If not, I know of another 914, very close to you.

Posted by: dovsky Aug 10 2015, 09:50 AM

I didn't sink it, the container failed off the ship along with 26 others due to severe wheather. Anyway, the insurance paid in full and was able to import another Mustang into the country.

Posted by: Valy Aug 10 2015, 01:18 PM

Yep, that's what I heard...
I'm friend with your family over here

Posted by: pete000 Aug 10 2015, 02:04 PM

Speaking of Carbon or Fiberglass hoods. I have heard it is recommended using hood pin locks to secure the hood down. I would love to loose the weight, but I don't want hood pins, I see a couple beautiful 914s in this thread that have composite hoods with no pins. Any concerns or issues?

Posted by: ConeDodger Aug 10 2015, 07:29 PM

Pete,
Mine will have pins but the Getty product is accurate down to having the mount for the original hardware. So, no concern on my part...


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Posted by: dovsky Aug 12 2015, 12:38 AM

For those of you interested in carbon fiber hoods, please note that the price quote shown on page 1 of this thread is for a ready-to-bolt CF hood with a grade-A surface quality. This means a UV-protected, clear-coated scratch resistant high-gloss naked CF finish on par to what you would find on today’s $200K+ sports cars. A lower cost alternative would be a grade-B surface (I think this is what Getty provides but I’m not 100% sure), which means just a bare CF panel requiring a proficient body & paint shop to prep, prime, paint and clear-coat.

If anyone is interested on a grade-B CF hood, I’ll be happy to provide a quote.

Group buys are always welcome.

BTW, no need for hood pins in this case.

Dov

Check out all our products and services at: www.compositedimensions.com

Posted by: ConeDodger Aug 12 2015, 04:48 PM

Dov,
I suspect the Getty hoods are Grade-A as most of them I've seen are naked CF and beautiful. Randal just painted and clear coated his leaving a naked number circle in CF. I'm sure yours are fine too...

Posted by: db9146 Aug 12 2015, 04:59 PM

What about a class-A naked CF roof? The 914 looks right with the black roof so a CF one would fit in but be a really nice custom piece. And it would be losing weight where you would want to ...not that the FG roof weighs that much.

Posted by: Larmo63 Aug 12 2015, 06:30 PM

Wouldn't a CF targa bar pad be interesting…….?

Posted by: abes914 Aug 12 2015, 07:02 PM

i want a grade b door panels please.

Posted by: dovsky Aug 13 2015, 06:23 AM

My point was that there is a more economical approach compared to what I quoted previously for those that don't need the naked CF look because they're thinking of painting their hoods anyway. I'm just offering a possible alternative. I'm sure the Getty hood is a fine product but no one has been able to provide any technical specs (i.e.: UV-protection, Type of CF, CF to resin ratio, CF to GF ratio if any, weight, etc.). My advice for anyone thinking of spending $$$ on a critical composite part is to conduct a more detailed apple-to-apple comparison first in order to understand what you're really getting. No 2 composite parts from 2 different manufacturers are ever the same. My product's specs are and will always be available for anyone to review.

Posted by: dovsky Aug 13 2015, 06:30 AM

Do you mean interior door trim panels? If so, then yes we can make them.

Posted by: dovsky Aug 13 2015, 06:57 AM

I think that someone in Germany already attempted to make CF roof tops; I'll look for that thread. In my case, the cost of engineering and producing such product would be much higher to what I think potential customers would be willing to pay. The roof top design is significantly more complex than say a hood. The latching mechanism would need to be adapted to work on a much lighter part and would have to undergo serious tests in order to ensure safety and proper sealing. Keeping noise and vibration within tolerable levels at high speeds would also be a challenge. This would be a great one-off project if cost is not the primary concern.

Posted by: jd74914 Aug 13 2015, 01:03 PM

Do you have a rough estimate on costs for a B-grade hood?

Posted by: SirAndy Aug 13 2015, 01:45 PM

Getty CF 911-style dash, now discontinued.

I got one of the few they ever made. Had to be trimmed to fit the roll-cage.

Posted by: dovsky Aug 13 2015, 02:18 PM

Here is a bit more than a rough estimate. Please note upfront that group buys are highly encouraged in order to split the tooling cost, it makes a huge difference!


Lead-time: is 6-8 weeks + 1 week for shipping.

Payment Method: PayPal (an invoice will be issued stating all terms & conditions of the sale).

Payment Terms: 75% due upon ordering, 25% due before ship day.

Tooling cost includes main and inner skin molds & consumables. Molds will remain the property of Composite Dimensions.

*B-surface = bare CF finish without any clear coat or scratch protection. It will still require a proficient body shop to mask, prep, sand, prime, paint and apply several coats of clear coat to achieve best results.

The hood skin and the underside skin will be infused separately and bonded together using an automotive grade 2-part epoxy specially designed for composite materials. The end-result will be an ultra-light and incredibly strong single-piece structure with superior mechanical characteristics compared to equivalent steel & fiberglass alternatives. The estimated weight is < 20 kg. By comparison, a fiberglass equivalent weights ~25 Kg (actual weight will be validated after the 1st hood is made).

Hood includes: mounting points for direct bolt-on.

Hood excludes: mounting hardware (latch mechanism, bolts, etc.). These items can be transplanted from the original hood by the customer.

Fits: all Porsche 914 models years (1970-76).

This quote is valid for 30 days.

Posted by: aircooledtechguy Aug 13 2015, 02:35 PM

I made these at my buddy's shop in my spare time.



He's set-up to make this type of stuff using the infusion process. Here's a time laps of me infusing one of my panel blanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usJl45lVULg

They dance in the light. . .

Posted by: dovsky Aug 17 2015, 07:08 AM

Here, I found the thread: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=246444
The memeber making these tops is located in Canada not Germany, my bad...