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Posted by: stevegm Aug 5 2015, 06:32 AM

We are writing a http://fourteenermotoring.com/2015/08/05/best-porsche-914-of-all-time-what-do-you-think/ about the top 914s of all time. Maybe it will be a Top 10. Maybe a Top 20. Either way we want to include the best of the best. Street. Race. Original. Whatever.

Nominations anybody?


Please include as much information as possible. If it is a 914world member's car, their username would be helpful. Anything we can use to contact the owner.

Posted by: sb914 Aug 5 2015, 07:06 AM

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Posted by: nein14 Aug 5 2015, 07:16 AM

Ok how about Evil Ed who built the CSI Turbo GT that's still going strong after 13 years driving.gif

Posted by: BIGKAT_83 Aug 5 2015, 07:18 AM

Here you go the Kinesis 914
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Posted by: johannes Aug 5 2015, 07:22 AM

Top what ?

Value, power, originality, mileage ?

Posted by: mepstein Aug 5 2015, 07:30 AM

Make sure you put Marty/ Maltese falcon on the list with his turbo 930/935 engined 914

Posted by: stevegm Aug 5 2015, 07:31 AM

QUOTE(johannes @ Aug 5 2015, 09:22 AM) *

Top what ?

Value, power, originality, mileage ?



It's an open definition. However you define the best of the best.

Posted by: iwanta914-6 Aug 5 2015, 07:34 AM

I would think the 1970 LeMans 6th place overall and class winner 914/6 GT would have to be in consideration. Certainly one of the most famous anyway.

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Posted by: Chris H. Aug 5 2015, 07:41 AM

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Posted by: AndyB Aug 5 2015, 07:58 AM

That's an easy one the 914's made between MY 1970-1976 but then again I might be biased.

Posted by: MJHanna Aug 5 2015, 08:11 AM

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What Fuchs are those? deeps 6's?? or 5.5 ? or ???

PS. The best 914 ever is the one I'm working on now. Cuz its mine. piratenanner.gif piratenanner.gif

Posted by: Chris Pincetich Aug 5 2015, 08:39 AM

I'd nominate the Brumos #59 race car beerchug.gif
And perhaps, maybe, kinda sorta, Auto Atlanta's blue 916 biggrin.gif

Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 5 2015, 08:40 AM

Look like deep 6's to me. confused24.gif

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Aug 5 2015, 09:38 AM

QUOTE(mepstein @ Aug 5 2015, 06:30 AM) *

Make sure you put Marty/ Maltese falcon on the list with his turbo 930/935 engined 914


Thank you Mark for the kind words smile.gif
I was in touch with Les Bidrawn (formerly of European Car) and we chatted about the good old pre -internet days. Anyway my six was voted one of their top 5 engineered rides. Les is freelancing now and I'm still trying to locate Greg Brown .
LeMans #40 is definitely my choice in the group .
Marty

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Posted by: mepstein Aug 5 2015, 09:53 AM

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agree.gif blows away everything else. The ultimate sleeper 914

Posted by: iwanta914-6 Aug 5 2015, 09:56 AM

Is that the 914/8 at the Porsche Museum?

Posted by: Alphaogre Aug 5 2015, 10:27 AM

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I would think the 1970 LeMans 6th place overall and class winner 914/6 GT would have to be in consideration. Certainly one of the most famous anyway.

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This one won its class the first year right? I would also throw in the Targa Florio 914 as well. I think it also won its class.

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Posted by: JmuRiz Aug 5 2015, 10:30 AM

It's one of them...the most stock looking of the two.

I'd nominate:
- both of the factory /8 cars
- any of the 916s
- any of the 914/6 GT cars
- Marty's turbo monster
- whatever your personal car is...because it's the most important one in each of our worlds.

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Aug 5 2015, 11:14 AM

QUOTE(BIGKAT_83 @ Aug 5 2015, 06:18 AM) *

Here you go the Kinesis 914
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These GUYS...
Karl K (black cap) and yours truly (white cap) at Monterey '99.
Wonder where the Kinesis car went?
We met Hurley Haywood, Hans Stuck, George Follmer, David Donahue and Oläf Lange that weekend.
Hopefully they will all be at Renn 5 this September biggrin.gif
Marty

Posted by: 72 IXXIV Aug 5 2015, 11:21 AM

Yes--the '70 LeMans class winner is probably the greatest of all time.

Though, the twin cam flat eight prototypes that the porsche family drove for a while are pretty awesome--with the double pop up headlights!

I recently read that when groupe B started up, and Porsche began work on what would become the 959, the first idea they had was to copy what Lancia did with the 037--take a central tub and weld tubular subframes on the front and back of it. And they were going to revive the 914 to do it! But selling 911s and building more AWD capability won out.

That would have been a pretty bitchin' 914 as well..

Posted by: Luke M Aug 5 2015, 11:38 AM

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Is that the 914/8 at the Porsche Museum?



Sure looks like it. I saw it in person 3 years ago.
Took pics of it too .


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Posted by: Johny Blackstain Aug 5 2015, 11:58 AM

I think these would be the top 5:



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Posted by: mepstein Aug 5 2015, 01:10 PM

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Is that the 914/8 at the Porsche Museum?

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Posted by: iwanta914-6 Aug 5 2015, 01:20 PM

I'll be in Munich (for Oktoberfest) in a little over a month. I should make the drive out to Stuttgart so I can see the 914/8 in person.

Posted by: stevegm Aug 5 2015, 01:40 PM

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I think these would be the top 5:



I tend to agree that these 5 would have to be in just about anybody's list. On a different topic - if anyone is interested in writing a short article on the history of any of these 5 cars, PM me. We'd love to have it for an upcoming issue of the magazine.

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Aug 5 2015, 01:44 PM

Here are three more to consider:




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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Aug 5 2015, 01:49 PM

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How come we don't see any tribute cars to this one? Lots of GT tributes, but none of this one.

Posted by: stevegm Aug 5 2015, 01:50 PM

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Here are three more to consider:



Thanks. Can you send me anymore info on these cars? The first one is the other 914-8, correct?

Posted by: stevegm Aug 5 2015, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(Chris H. @ Aug 5 2015, 06:41 AM) *

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How come we don't see any tribute cars to this one? Lots of GT tributes, but none of this one.



Dare I suggest - could it be the silver? Not as striking as the bright colors on many tribute cars. I considered doing our silver 914 as a tribute car to this one. But, haven't fully decided. I am sorta partial to some other ideas I have for it.

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Aug 5 2015, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Aug 5 2015, 03:49 PM) *

QUOTE(Chris H. @ Aug 5 2015, 06:41 AM) *

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How come we don't see any tribute cars to this one? Lots of GT tributes, but none of this one.



Dare I suggest - could it be the silver? Not as striking as the bright colors on many tribute cars. I considered doing our silver 914 as a tribute car to this one. But, haven't fully decided. I am sorta partial to some other ideas I have for it.


Got a spare flat-8 to poke into it? This car could not have greater provenance.


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Posted by: JmuRiz Aug 5 2015, 02:07 PM

Even w/o the flat 8, it's a good looking car:
Ovoid front cooler opening
Gas fuller door in hood
Non-removable top with sunroof
Body colored lower panels

Does anyone know if it has R-offset wheels in the back, I would think they would want that extra width to put the power down.

Posted by: iwanta914-6 Aug 5 2015, 02:11 PM

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Got a spare flat-8 to poke into it? This car could not have greater provenance.


Doesn't everyone have a $90K motor laying around to shove into a 914?

Posted by: eric9144 Aug 5 2015, 02:26 PM

The #2 car from the set of three marathon cars was "the one" that did it for me as a kid...I remember getting hold of a Panorama with that on the cover and instantly fell in love

Most of those seem like the obvious choices, I'd still put Marty's car up there too, has been a thing of legend for a long time beerchug.gif

Posted by: warpig Aug 5 2015, 03:13 PM

Can you wait a couple of years for this? confused24.gif
My GT isn't done yet. av-943.gif

Posted by: matthepcat Aug 5 2015, 03:25 PM

QUOTE(iwanta914-6 @ Aug 5 2015, 12:20 PM) *

I'll be in Munich (for Oktoberfest) in a little over a month. I should make the drive out to Stuttgart so I can see the 914/8 in person.



^^ I will be there in September too for Octoberfest ^^

I have a tour of the plant and museum booked for the 22nd. Really looking forward to it.

Posted by: thieuster Aug 5 2015, 03:42 PM

Nice suggestions! It should be a Top 14, off course. May I suggest this one:

http://s211.photobucket.com/user/TR3A1959/media/Porsche%20914/4272113_orig_zps7ee2e089.jpg.html

In Dutch National Police livery. This car did his duty on our national highways - I still remember the car passing us on the highway! Fellow (Dutch) forum member Arno Wienands can tell you more about the history and whereabouts of the car.

Menno

Posted by: mepstein Aug 5 2015, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(Chris H. @ Aug 5 2015, 06:41 AM) *

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How come we don't see any tribute cars to this one? Lots of GT tributes, but none of this one.

I had planned to do one without the flat 8 but ended up with a flared shell. I am still looking for a car to do the tribute. Cosmetic only, no way am I in a position to do the engine.

Posted by: stevegm Aug 5 2015, 03:56 PM

QUOTE(mepstein @ Aug 5 2015, 05:49 PM) *

QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Aug 5 2015, 03:49 PM) *

QUOTE(Chris H. @ Aug 5 2015, 06:41 AM) *

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How come we don't see any tribute cars to this one? Lots of GT tributes, but none of this one.

I had planned to do one without the flat 8 but ended up with a flared shell. I am still looking for a car to do the tribute. Cosmetic only, no way am I in a position to do the engine.



I have a spotless (almost) silver '72 if you want to do a tribute car. :-) I have a 2 car garage, and 3 cars. One will have to go eventually.

Posted by: stevegm Aug 5 2015, 03:58 PM

QUOTE(thieuster @ Aug 5 2015, 05:42 PM) *

Nice suggestions! It should be a Top 14, off course. May I suggest this one:

http://s211.photobucket.com/user/TR3A1959/media/Porsche%20914/4272113_orig_zps7ee2e089.jpg.html

In Dutch National Police livery. This car did his duty on our national highways - I still remember the car passing us on the highway! Fellow (Dutch) forum member Arno Wienands can tell you more about the history and whereabouts of the car.

Menno



You are right - it should be 14. But, we will need a lot more nominations.

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Aug 5 2015, 04:08 PM

I don't know if this teener is worthy, but that is Playmate of the Year Cyndi Wood biggrin.gif


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Posted by: Alphaogre Aug 5 2015, 04:31 PM

I have been for fortunate enough to see that one run... I say you go with the top 10 scenarios that the 914 under dog beat big boar guys!

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Posted by: Rand Aug 5 2015, 04:45 PM

As far as street cars go, I'd have to suggest considering Paul Sayegh's 3.6. It is immaculate and has all the right upgrades in all the right places under the skin. I can't imagine any way to improve on it. His build was featured across a bunch of Excellence mag issues. I think his board name is PRS914-6

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Posted by: stevegm Aug 5 2015, 04:50 PM

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As far as street cars go, I'd have to suggest considering Paul Sayegh's 3.6. It is immaculate and has all the right upgrades in all the right places under the skin. I can't imagine any way to improve on it. His build was featured across a bunch of Excellence mag issues. I think his board name is PRS914-6

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Good call. That is a nice one. I'd love to see more street cars included.

Posted by: JmuRiz Aug 5 2015, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(mepstein @ Aug 5 2015, 05:49 PM) *

QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Aug 5 2015, 03:49 PM) *

QUOTE(Chris H. @ Aug 5 2015, 06:41 AM) *

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How come we don't see any tribute cars to this one? Lots of GT tributes, but none of this one.

I had planned to do one without the flat 8 but ended up with a flared shell. I am still looking for a car to do the tribute. Cosmetic only, no way am I in a position to do the engine.



I have a spotless (almost) silver '72 if you want to do a tribute car. :-) I have a 2 car garage, and 3 cars. One will have to go eventually.

Lift is an easy fix, if you have the height, you only need 10' to stack 914s

Posted by: stevegm Aug 5 2015, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(stevegm @ Aug 5 2015, 01:56 PM) *

QUOTE(mepstein @ Aug 5 2015, 05:49 PM) *

QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Aug 5 2015, 03:49 PM) *

QUOTE(Chris H. @ Aug 5 2015, 06:41 AM) *

The best 914...EVER, EVER... idea.gif

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How come we don't see any tribute cars to this one? Lots of GT tributes, but none of this one.

I had planned to do one without the flat 8 but ended up with a flared shell. I am still looking for a car to do the tribute. Cosmetic only, no way am I in a position to do the engine.



I have a spotless (almost) silver '72 if you want to do a tribute car. :-) I have a 2 car garage, and 3 cars. One will have to go eventually.

Lift is an easy fix, if you have the height, you only need 10' to stack 914s



I've considered it. But, in a 2 car garage a lift really affects my workspace. What I really need is a bigger garage.

Posted by: URY914 Aug 5 2015, 06:46 PM

There are only 2 914's that have been class champions in a race series as far as I know.

Walt Mass in 1976 with his IMSA GTU 914 and the Brumos #59 in 1972.

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Race wins are one thing but you string enough wins and points to win a series and it a much bigger accomplishment.


Posted by: MoveQik Aug 5 2015, 06:55 PM

I agree with others....you have to include the /8! It's everything the 914 should have been.




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Posted by: dlkawashima Aug 5 2015, 07:34 PM

The one that's now at Canepa ...

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Posted by: 72 IXXIV Aug 5 2015, 10:42 PM

I thought that the 914-8 had double headlights...


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Posted by: KELTY360 Aug 5 2015, 11:47 PM

I'd nominate the humble little '73 1.7 named Buttercup. Not only does it represent the essence of the 914 concept, but it also represents the best of the 914 community and the way the cars and the people are connected.

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Posted by: Stacks914 Aug 6 2015, 12:06 AM

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I have been for fortunate enough to see that one run... I say you go with the top 10 scenarios that the 914 under dog beat big boar guys!

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Yes

Posted by: RobW Aug 6 2015, 04:35 AM

This one is pretty special given point A to point B, and the outcome.... SocalAndy


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Posted by: URY914 Aug 6 2015, 04:37 AM

The Altec Lancing car is nice and very well known but it didn't win a race.

Posted by: jt914-6 Aug 6 2015, 04:53 AM

I think the top 914 in my mind was the #40 Le Mans class winning car and next is Walt Mass's IMSA winning 914......My $.02......

Posted by: mepstein Aug 6 2015, 05:05 AM

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This one is pretty special given point A to point B, and the outcome.... SocalAndy

I agree. Andy transformed that car from junk to jewel.

Posted by: mepstein Aug 6 2015, 05:07 AM

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I thought that the 914-8 had double headlights...

There were 2. The red car was modified even more than the silver.

Posted by: mepstein Aug 6 2015, 05:10 AM

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QUOTE(mepstein @ Aug 5 2015, 05:49 PM) *

QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Aug 5 2015, 03:49 PM) *

QUOTE(Chris H. @ Aug 5 2015, 06:41 AM) *

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How come we don't see any tribute cars to this one? Lots of GT tributes, but none of this one.

I had planned to do one without the flat 8 but ended up with a flared shell. I am still looking for a car to do the tribute. Cosmetic only, no way am I in a position to do the engine.



I have a spotless (almost) silver '72 if you want to do a tribute car. :-) I have a 2 car garage, and 3 cars. One will have to go eventually.

Your silver car is too nice to modify.

Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 6 2015, 06:44 AM

Paul's car is a definite candidate:
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Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 6 2015, 06:44 AM

SoCalAndy's car is another top candidate.


Posted by: Cairo94507 Aug 6 2015, 06:49 AM

Limiting it to the top 10 maybe tough....

Posted by: tp_reading Aug 6 2015, 07:47 AM

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I think I might be in with a shout ! I am the proud owner of this 914-6.
1974 2.0, road car until 1984, then raced by some top drivers including Rick Fairbanks, Chuck Piazza, Andy McNeil and John Forbes. A whole string of victories over the years, and now in England where the car is being prepared for 2016 Historics season. Still on the track and been used in anger for over 30 years.

Posted by: iamchappy Aug 6 2015, 08:12 AM

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Posted by: StratPlayer Aug 6 2015, 09:42 AM

Chappy that is one beautiful car.... beerchug.gif

Posted by: Andyrew Aug 6 2015, 09:47 AM

If you delve into conversions then I suggest grabbing Neo914 (Felix)'s car... Im sure you all are familiar with the build.

Posted by: Kansas 914 Aug 6 2015, 10:42 AM


QUOTE(KELTY360 @ Aug 5 2015, 11:47 PM) *

I'd nominate the humble little '73 1.7 named Buttercup. Not only does it represent the essence of the 914 concept, but it also represents the best of the 914 community and the way the cars and the people are connected.

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Posted by: Kansas 914 Aug 6 2015, 05:15 PM

I would further nominate The Alien completed and driven all over the country by Rick Ollah.

Any poll done on 914World wouldn't be complete without a Porsche 914 powered by a Porsche V8.

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Posted by: iwanta914-6 Aug 6 2015, 05:25 PM

Since they are both from MN and have some spectacular 914s, I too would nominate both Chappy and Rick! Maybe I'll meet them sometime and see their cars with my own eyes!

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Since they are both from MN and have some spectacular 914s, I too would nominate both Chappy and Rick! Maybe I'll meet them sometime and see their cars with my own eyes!



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Chappy's... drooley.gif drooley.gif drooley.gif beer.gif

Rick's... drooley.gif drooley.gif drooley.gif beer.gif

Both outstanding vehicles, displaying great imagination. Both owned by active forum members, cars that are driven, enjoyed, and, most importantly, tangible.

Ain't that what it's all about?

Posted by: RobW Aug 6 2015, 07:41 PM

Too 5 is definitely not enough.

Posted by: AlanG Aug 6 2015, 07:47 PM

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Posted by: stevegm Aug 6 2015, 07:48 PM

We are thinking Top 14. The best, of the best, coolest, most well known. Whatever "best" means to you.

Posted by: Cal Aug 6 2015, 08:04 PM

GINTHER RACING PORSCHE 914-4




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Posted by: Kansas 914 Aug 6 2015, 08:07 PM

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GINTHER RACING PORSCHE 914-4

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I was going to add Ginther's car if someone else didn't. Any 914 that get a scale model produced needs to be reckoned with. All anyone has to say is "Ginther Windscreen" and you know exactly what they are talking about.

Besides being a great driver (along side the likes of Phil Hill) he is probably most noted for his time in a 914.

Posted by: Cal Aug 6 2015, 08:13 PM

Troutman 914-6 GT Pick-Up Truck


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Posted by: boxstr Aug 6 2015, 08:15 PM

Blackula


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Posted by: Cal Aug 6 2015, 08:57 PM

1972 Porsche 916

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q9iz3UXSiL0




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Posted by: 914_teener Aug 6 2015, 10:33 PM

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GINTHER RACING PORSCHE 914-4

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I saw this car at the last Rennsport.

Amazing race for a -4 and a great car owned and operated by some great folks.

I am glad somebody else brought it up.

Posted by: URY914 Aug 7 2015, 04:30 AM

The World's Lightest! smile.gif

Posted by: jt914-6 Aug 7 2015, 05:03 AM

I'm not nominating my 914-6 3.0RS conversion, but I am proud of it. Something I always wanted to build. Full cage, fuel cell, pretty much a street legal race car.

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Posted by: stevegm Aug 8 2015, 04:43 PM

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Troutman 914-6 GT Pick-Up Truck



I saw it at Amelia this year. Neat car.

Posted by: ripper911 Aug 8 2015, 04:53 PM

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The World's Lightest! smile.gif

We'll need a picture or two.
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Posted by: Johny Blackstain Aug 8 2015, 04:53 PM

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Any 914 that get a scale model produced needs to be reckoned with.

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Posted by: Kansas 914 Aug 8 2015, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Kansas 914 @ Aug 6 2015, 10:07 PM) *

Any 914 that get a scale model produced needs to be reckoned with.

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Posted by: URY914 Aug 8 2015, 08:15 PM

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The World's Lightest! smile.gif

We'll need a picture or two.
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Kinda doubt if I'll make the list. I can't even get a car of the month vote. confused24.gif

Posted by: mepstein Aug 8 2015, 08:25 PM

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GINTHER RACING PORSCHE 914-4

I'd like to do a tribute car of that one as well smile.gif

Posted by: rick 918-S Aug 9 2015, 08:14 AM

Too many ways to address the best of all time. The most well known? The most perfect resto, the best unrestored car, the most documented reliable cars, The best conversion cars, the best race cars. The list could go on. Personally I have a fondness for a couple cars. One yet to be completed, one that until just recently was not well know and one that needs a complete makeover due to many punishing road trips across the country from shore to shore. None are "famous:" as in celebrity famous. Just cars the I really like.

Posted by: RobW Aug 9 2015, 08:39 AM

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Too many cars, too many categories. All awesome.

Posted by: stevegm Aug 9 2015, 08:51 AM

"Best of" stories are always fraught with such issues. But they are still worthwhile and fun. It is interesting to see everyone's take on it.

Posted by: Kansas 914 Aug 9 2015, 08:54 AM

QUOTE(stevegm @ Aug 9 2015, 08:51 AM) *

"Best of" stories are always drought with such issues. But they are still worthwhile and fun. It is interesting to see everyone's take on it.

Perhaps spread over several issues with categories similar to 914 events (Best Original, Best Custom, Best Track Car etc.).


Posted by: stevegm Aug 10 2015, 06:11 PM

Please keep nominating cars.

We decided to split this article into two parts:

First, there will be a 914 Experts panel that votes on the "Best 14 914s of All Time." I guess what we mean by this is the cars that defined the 914's legacy, shaped its image, contributed to what it is today, or became so ingrained as what a 914 is that these cars come to mind when you think of the Best 914s of all time. They can be race cars, street cars, modified, or stock.

Second, we are going to do a "People's Choice Top 14" vote on 914world. Again these will include race cars, street cars, modified, or stock.

We are working on forming the panel now (I think you will agree with the panel we have in mind). Nominations will continue for a couple more weeks. Then we will do the "People's Choice" Poll, and panel vote.

Posted by: TJB/914 Aug 10 2015, 06:42 PM

QUOTE(stevegm @ Aug 10 2015, 08:11 PM) *

Please keep nominating cars.

We decided to split this article into two parts:

First, there will be a 914 Experts panel that votes on the "Best 14 914s of All Time." I guess what we mean by this is the cars that defined the 914's legacy, shaped its image, contributed to what it is today, or became so ingrained as what a 914 is that these cars come to mind when you think of the Best 914s of all time. They can be race cars, street cars, modified, or stock.

Second, we are going to do a "People's Choice Top 14" vote on 914world. Again these will include race cars, street cars, modified, or stock.

We are working on forming the panel now (I think you will agree with the panel we have in mind). Nominations will continue for a couple more weeks. Then we will do the "People's Choice" Poll, and panel vote.


Hi Steve,
I don't like "politics" and where this is going. Be happy with the ebb & flow of interest in 914 in general. stirthepot.gif So much 914 material we don't need a panel group of experts with their choices, it makes enemies in the ranks.
My opinion. idea.gif
BTW: I didn't receive my 2nd issue.
Tom

Posted by: stevegm Aug 10 2015, 06:49 PM

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Please keep nominating cars.

We decided to split this article into two parts:

First, there will be a 914 Experts panel that votes on the "Best 14 914s of All Time." I guess what we mean by this is the cars that defined the 914's legacy, shaped its image, contributed to what it is today, or became so ingrained as what a 914 is that these cars come to mind when you think of the Best 914s of all time. They can be race cars, street cars, modified, or stock.

Second, we are going to do a "People's Choice Top 14" vote on 914world. Again these will include race cars, street cars, modified, or stock.

We are working on forming the panel now (I think you will agree with the panel we have in mind). Nominations will continue for a couple more weeks. Then we will do the "People's Choice" Poll, and panel vote.


Hi Steve,
I don't like "politics" and where this is going. Be happy with the ebb & flow of interest in 914 in general. stirthepot.gif So much 914 material we don't need a panel group of experts with their choices, it makes enemies in the ranks.
My opinion. idea.gif
BTW: I didn't receive my 2nd issue.
Tom



Hi Tom,

Actually, it was the politics that we were trying to avoid. We want to write an article that spans the decades of 914 history, and reaches out beyond 914world to include others that aren't necessarily heavily involved in 914world. I don't think it will stir any pots. The voting will be blind, and who voted for what won't be published. I didn't mean to make this complicated. Just a good "Best of All Time" article.

PM me your last name and I will check. The last one mailed weeks ago. So, I will check and then mail you a copy tomorrow.

Posted by: HAM Inc Aug 10 2015, 08:14 PM

The Wayne Baker 914/4 IMSA GTU that won at Sear Point in 81 is worthy of consideration IMO.

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Posted by: VegasRacer Aug 10 2015, 11:00 PM

Max Moritz.


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Posted by: dlkawashima Aug 11 2015, 09:18 AM

First production 914-6 ...
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Posted by: URY914 Aug 11 2015, 06:44 PM

This is getting stupid.

How about most rusted 914?

Most bondo on a 914?

Worst body kit on a 914?

Just make a list of the ones YOU think are best and everyone will flame your list and it will keep us entertained for weeks.

Posted by: dlkawashima Aug 11 2015, 06:52 PM

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... everyone will flame your list and it will keep us entertained for weeks.

Pretty sure that'll happen no matter who picks the cars.

Posted by: JohnBFR Aug 17 2015, 11:20 AM

To start with, this is Cody; I figure we should make a new account for the shop itself, but since this one has some post history I'll use it for now ;-).


I might be a bit biased, but I've got to throw the Garage Karthaüser / Black Forest Racing green and orange 914-6 in the mix. It's probably the most successful yet unheard of 914 race car in history. The car was originally built into a race car by none other than Kremer Racing... you know, the multiple-LeMans-Winning-Team that built most of the 935's, the 1981 917, and many of the 962's among a series of thier own branded cars. The car was sold to Michael and Reinhold Karthaüser in early 1971 and began it's racing career doing a handful of GT races at Spa-Francorchamps and Nurburgring, but mostly ran hill climbs in Belgium and western Germany. In it's original career under Karthaüser it won at least 25 races (we have the results sheets), but we know there were more that we don't have hard record of. My father bought the car in 1988 and began racing it two weeks later. With my father driving the car it continued winning races. I'm still looking for better records, but it looks like the number will be well over 100 race wins. It even went pro-racing again in the early 2000's with a startup series called ARL where the car won a few races overall and took the inaugural championship with my father and Joe Cogbill driving and beating Randy Pobst, Michael Galotti, and other future World Challenge drivers and teams. In 2003 the car was crashed badly by a co-driver at The Walter Mitty Challenge (while leading for the record) and the wreck was put in storage for a decade. Two years ago my father decided he had been out of racing long enough and re-tubbed the car to bring it back to life. Since September of last year I have shared the car with him at a few events and won 9 out of 10 races entered (finished 3rd at Indianapolis this summer).

The Sonauto car only did well in one race, while a great achievement to finish where it did at Le Mans it did nothing else ever. The Brumos / Peter Gregg car had a way better original pro career, but was also then subjected to a mostly dormant life until it started vintage racing in the late 80's... where it was regularly beaten by our car ;-). The Automotion / Garettson car (which we maintained for 15 years) is another with one or two great years, but then it's been collecting dust since we stopped racing it in about 1992 (and before about 1987).

1971 @ Tros Marets (1st place finish securing the 1971 Hillclimb Championship)
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1975 Publicity Photoshoot for Coca-Cola whom sponsored the car for a few years:
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1976 when it was put in it's current color scheme:
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1988 St. Petersburg Grand Prix:
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About 1998 at Daytona pulling away from Hurley Haywood in Brumos' other 914-6:
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2000-ish @ Moroso (now Palm Beach International Raceway):
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2015 with me driving at Indy:
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Posted by: JmuRiz Aug 17 2015, 12:27 PM

Welcome, and cool info on that car.
I love the original hood tie-downs and that S-look front valance in the St. Pete photo

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Welcome, and cool info on that car.
I love the original hood tie-downs and that S-look front valance in the St. Pete photo


Yeah I kinda miss the original hood tie downs, but the pins are so much safer for the speeds we hit these days. The roof once came off at Daytona once which was 'exciting' to say the least! We've got original style rubber ones on the back though.

That actually is a real 911S front valance which it raced with from roughly '73-88 until my father decided he didn't like it and went back to an original 914 valence. We fully intend to fix the original chassis, transfer all the original parts back over to it, and make the current chassis a replica. When we do that it will go back to the mid-70's spec. We've got all of the original parts down to the Belgian fire extinguisher that was bolted to the passenger floor and even the original door glass and door panels survived the crash.

Posted by: URY914 Aug 17 2015, 06:58 PM

So your car was "re-tubbed". That opens a whole new can of worms.

Posted by: JohnBFR Aug 17 2015, 08:51 PM

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So your car was "re-tubbed". That opens a whole new can of worms.


The thing is though that a huge portion of race cars are and nobody typically bats an eye. There's tons of 935's/956's/962's with duplicate serial numbers because one was tubbed and then the original tub was repaired and put back in service. Wayne from Pelican has a http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/655425-barn-find-porsche-962-106b.html, and he has the original tub the serial was applied to because is was the LESS valuable one! The overwhelming majority of 917's were re-framed. Both Brumos 58 and 59 914-6GT's were tubbed, 59 has been multiple times. I watched Snodgrass stuff 59 into the tip of the Roebling pit wall so hard it removed the rear clip and ejected the engine from the car.

Every time I look at our original chassis (once a year or so) I get more confident that it can be repaired without replacing too much sheet metal. It helps that my own metal working skills tend to have improved each time ;-). The left rear corner was replaced with 470km by Erwin Kremer after it got hit by a truck, so that sheet metal isn't as it left Karman. This is why it got turned in to a race car; it was totaled by German standards. Karthauser stuffed the front end into a mountain racing I think in 1974, so who knows how much of the front end is OE. I think I'll have to replace the roll bar and most of the LR quarter. The rest will need LOTS of TLC, but I think it can be saved. Both doors open and close and still have the original glass in them (in one piece ;-) ), the car sits flat on all four jack points, and every other bolt-on bit of bodywork that was on the car in the crash was not original - we have all of the original stuff saved. I'm of the opinion with some of the borderline saveable bits of metal that I'd rather them be original and still have some visible creases, not replace everything so the car is a show car but loses 50% of it's sheet metal.

Anyways though, I don't want to derail the thread. I'm in the process of compiling lots of information, pictures, results, etc and will be writing up a nice story which I'll post and then we can continue aktion035.gif

Posted by: tp_reading Aug 18 2015, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(URY914 @ Aug 17 2015, 08:58 PM) *

So your car was "re-tubbed". That opens a whole new can of worms.


The thing is though that a huge portion of race cars are and nobody typically bats an eye. There's tons of 935's/956's/962's with duplicate serial numbers because one was tubbed and then the original tub was repaired and put back in service. Wayne from Pelican has a http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/655425-barn-find-porsche-962-106b.html, and he has the original tub the serial was applied to because is was the LESS valuable one! The overwhelming majority of 917's were re-framed. Both Brumos 58 and 59 914-6GT's were tubbed, 59 has been multiple times. I watched Snodgrass stuff 59 into the tip of the Roebling pit wall so hard it removed the rear clip and ejected the engine from the car.

Every time I look at our original chassis (once a year or so) I get more confident that it can be repaired without replacing too much sheet metal. It helps that my own metal working skills tend to have improved each time ;-). The left rear corner was replaced with 470km by Erwin Kremer after it got hit by a truck, so that sheet metal isn't as it left Karman. This is why it got turned in to a race car; it was totaled by German standards. Karthauser stuffed the front end into a mountain racing I think in 1974, so who knows how much of the front end is OE. I think I'll have to replace the roll bar and most of the LR quarter. The rest will need LOTS of TLC, but I think it can be saved. Both doors open and close and still have the original glass in them (in one piece ;-) ), the car sits flat on all four jack points, and every other bolt-on bit of bodywork that was on the car in the crash was not original - we have all of the original stuff saved. I'm of the opinion with some of the borderline saveable bits of metal that I'd rather them be original and still have some visible creases, not replace everything so the car is a show car but loses 50% of it's sheet metal.

Anyways though, I don't want to derail the thread. I'm in the process of compiling lots of information, pictures, results, etc and will be writing up a nice story which I'll post and then we can continue aktion035.gif



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/classiccars/9131682/Appeal-upheld-over-rare-vintage-Bentley.html


This was an interesting court ruling here in the UK.

Posted by: JmuRiz Aug 18 2015, 09:25 AM

Being in NC, maybe having ScottyB take a look at it would make sense. He's in Richmond VA and can probably tell you what needs replaced and what can be saved.

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Posted by: JohnBFR Aug 18 2015, 09:51 AM

In a feeble attempt to get Steve thread back on track... my top 5 based on car's I'd have in my stable if I found a genie in a lamp (not necessarily in order):

1) The silver 914-8. I never liked the quad lights in the other one
2) My fathers black wide body -6 in it's heyday (it's since been modified not to my taste, but could be put back)
3) Garrettson / Automotion car
4) Todd Knighton's big power turbo street car. It was a super sleeper narrow body car with waaaaayyy too much power.
5) The Karthaüser car

Posted by: Larmo63 Aug 18 2015, 09:59 AM

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The silver /8 just looks more finished and polished. I don't know how another 914 could be rated (or, valued) more highly than Ferry's.

Posted by: stevegm Aug 18 2015, 10:35 AM

The silver car was built after the tangerine 8, correct? When you look at the tangerine car, you quickly realize that it was a tool that was used to work things out prior to production of the 914. Nearly everything is slightly different than the production car - turn signal housing shapes, flares, location of the rear bulkhead, etc. It is all familiar to a 914 enthusiast, yet slightly different. Someone commented at Amelia that "You can almost see the engineers thinking." With that in mind, it seems like the tangerine car is fairly significant in the larger 914 development picture.

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Aug 18 2015, 10:51 AM

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The silver car was built after the tangerine 8, correct? When you look at the tangerine car, you quickly realize that it was a tool that was used to work things out prior to production of the 914. Nearly everything is slightly different than the production car - turn signal housing shapes, flares, location of the rear bulkhead, etc. It is all familiar to a 914 enthusiast, yet slightly different. Someone commented at Amelia that "You can almost see the engineers thinking." With that in mind, it seems like the tangerine car is fairly significant in the larger 914 development picture.

Steve- the answer is yes. Although they're both prototypes, the tangerine one came before the silver one. The tangerine one is not as refined as the silver one & much more experimental in nature.

Posted by: stevegm Aug 18 2015, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(stevegm @ Aug 18 2015, 12:35 PM) *

The silver car was built after the tangerine 8, correct? When you look at the tangerine car, you quickly realize that it was a tool that was used to work things out prior to production of the 914. Nearly everything is slightly different than the production car - turn signal housing shapes, flares, location of the rear bulkhead, etc. It is all familiar to a 914 enthusiast, yet slightly different. Someone commented at Amelia that "You can almost see the engineers thinking." With that in mind, it seems like the tangerine car is fairly significant in the larger 914 development picture.

Steve- the answer is yes. Although they're both prototypes, the tangerine one came before the silver one. The tangerine one is not as refined as the silver one & much more experimental in nature.



Thanks. I love the silver car. And I don't have a dog in this fight. I was, however, struck by just how different the tangerine car was from a production 914. It was cool.

Posted by: stevegm Aug 30 2015, 11:20 AM

Any other nominations before we close the nominations?

Posted by: dlkawashima Aug 30 2015, 05:09 PM

All the Patrick Motorsports builds are pretty epic. Something of theirs should be considered. For example ...

The 916 replica shown at this year's Werks Reunion. The workmanship on this car is simply outstanding. And yes, it has air conditioning but that makes total sense (to me anyway) in a steel roof hard top car.

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Posted by: JmuRiz Aug 30 2015, 07:42 PM

Above 916 replica...finally someone put a good looking roll cage in a 914!!!!

I've always wondered why no one does a snug to the a pillar cage.

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Above 916 replica...finally someone put a good looking roll cage in a 914!!!!

I've always wondered why no one does a snug to the a pillar cage.

A lot of custom work on that car. I couldn't deal with the red interior but the craftsmanship and design looks great.

Posted by: URY914 Aug 30 2015, 08:19 PM

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Any other nominations before we close the nominations?






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Posted by: mtndawg Aug 30 2015, 08:35 PM

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As far as street cars go, I'd have to suggest considering Paul Sayegh's 3.6. It is immaculate and has all the right upgrades in all the right places under the skin. I can't imagine any way to improve on it. His build was featured across a bunch of Excellence mag issues. I think his board name is PRS914-6

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This is the nicest I've seen in person.

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As far as street cars go, I'd have to suggest considering Paul Sayegh's 3.6. It is immaculate and has all the right upgrades in all the right places under the skin. I can't imagine any way to improve on it. His build was featured across a bunch of Excellence mag issues. I think his board name is PRS914-6

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This is the nicest I've seen in person.

And it's for sale! 60k I believe... drooley.gif

Posted by: dflesburg Aug 31 2015, 06:35 AM

My vote is the kid that made the jump over the draw bridge in Fla.

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Posted by: dflesburg Aug 31 2015, 06:39 AM

also for your consideration...


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Posted by: ChicagoPete Aug 31 2015, 07:35 AM

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Posted by: nein14 Aug 31 2015, 07:54 AM

Here's some pics of Evil Ed GT Turbo which had a 4 page feature in Excellence in June 2002
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Posted by: rick 918-S Aug 31 2015, 09:00 AM

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I would further nominate The Alien completed and driven all over the country by Rick Ollah.

Any poll done on 914World wouldn't be complete without a Porsche 914 powered by a Porsche V8.

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Yes there is another 914-8. Not a trailer queen or a museum piece to be dusted twice a day but a road car. Countless trips in all directions cross country. Driven hard and put away wet.

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Posted by: Kansas 914 Aug 31 2015, 09:16 AM

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Thanks Mike. assimilate.gif

Yes there is another 914-8. Not a trailer queen or a museum piece to be dusted twice a day but a road car. Countless trips in all directions cross country. Driven hard and put away wet.

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Thanks Mike. assimilate.gif

Yes there is another 914-8. Not a trailer queen or a museum piece to be dusted twice a day but a road car. Countless trips in all directions cross country. Driven hard and put away wet.

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Posted by: db9146 Sep 29 2015, 07:16 PM

I don't think anyone mentioned Marty's (MSDS) 914-6. For a street 914-6 built by someone other than the factory, that one is pretty special.

Posted by: 1stworks Sep 30 2015, 04:45 PM

I'm bias but my newly built 72 914.
Narrow body sleeper.

Ls1 engine boxster S 6 speed with all the goodies. ....

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