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Posted by: Stutgart46 Feb 28 2005, 06:50 PM

I have been reviewing the 2005 SCCA Rulebook, fascinating stuff (read sarcastically), and I was wondering what class the 914 is competitive in.
I am familiar with PCA and HSR rules but not so much with SCCA.
I ran a few races in a Spec Miata but those rules are simple.
Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Posted by: J P Stein Feb 28 2005, 06:54 PM

None.

Posted by: 914forme Feb 28 2005, 07:10 PM

SCCA - None the rules are a pain
NASA - I love these rules - base class and points for mods.
PCA - Any class you can fit into 914s are better than any of them tail-draggers and water pumpers.

But I run auto-x I set the car up for PCA stuff where suspension is pretty much a free for all, NASA is close to the same. SCCA I show up for seat time.

Posted by: spare time toys Feb 28 2005, 09:39 PM

Im running in the Jack Stand division this year

Posted by: d914 Feb 28 2005, 09:51 PM

pca, semi tube frame 2.2 or 2.8 gt 5 or gt4. around here the is a gt4 thats faster than the gt3's!!!!

HSR very easy

nasa, ck=hecking them out in march at road atlanta...

SCCA,,,,,,,????? GT2 if a six???

Posted by: drew365 Feb 28 2005, 10:00 PM

Don't know SCCA. In POC my car is V3 which is heavily modified. There are 914s in nearly every class in POC, but it takes so many more modifications that we are usually not competitive as a front runner. You have to run a 914 because you want to not because you want to win.

Posted by: smg914 Feb 28 2005, 10:32 PM

Chad,
Did you check out SCCA Vintage? I understand it is quite fun.

Posted by: xitspd Feb 28 2005, 10:37 PM

QUOTE (drew365 @ Feb 28 2005, 08:00 PM)
Don't know SCCA. In POC my car is V3 which is heavily modified. There are 914s in nearly every class in POC, but it takes so many more modifications that we are usually not competitive as a front runner. You have to run a 914 because you want to not because you want to win.

You are so right Andy! My 914-6 specs out to V0.... The STS series is the only place there is for a 914 win or place....

Posted by: Stutgart46 Mar 1 2005, 07:53 AM

Steve,
I have looked into SCCA Vintage and it looks pretty good. The best thing about SCCA is that they run a lot of events and they're usually close to home.
As for POC, there is not a region near Texas. I have been discussing possibilites of bringing a PBOC chapter to Texas with the founders.
BTW Steve, I'll be in town for the 12 Hours of Sebring. Are you guys heading down?

Posted by: groot Mar 1 2005, 09:38 AM

Ahem....the SCCA can be a pain in the ass, but that's where I like to run.

914-6, 2.0L does okay in EP, but they just increased the choke size from 34 to 38mm, so look out this year

914-4, 2.0L in EP, jury's still out... I'll let you know later in the season, but I think it'll do okay, or else I wouldn't be investing in it

914-4, 1.8L does pretty well in FP... check out this thread http://www.coloradoscca.org/prodcar/viewtopic.php?t=4084

914-6 in GT, can be competitive

914-4 in GT, forget about it unless you want to spend a lot of time getting the rules adjusted

Posted by: type47 Mar 1 2005, 09:42 AM

i have a '73 that qualifies for pca class I

Posted by: synthesisdv Mar 1 2005, 09:55 AM

We run with SCCA down here in FL in the vintage class and EP sometimes.

Vintage is more like gentlemans racing. We are all grouped together, from open wheel formula cars to big block GT-1 corvettes. Usually you just find a couple guys you know are close to your time and race with them.

I built my car with production class in mind so I can move to EP pretty easily rules wise. I think it depends what you want to do. You can definitely place well regionally in EP but to go to the nationals would be tough.

PBOC down here runs by POC rules which would put me in V5 class (race as R7). That means I would race against fully stock 911 SC or 2.5 boxsters. I think we could really do well there but just haven't had time to run with them yet. I'm lucky to get away one weekend a month.

Posted by: slivel Mar 1 2005, 11:26 AM

75 914/6 conversion 3.4 L

PCA: GT3-S
POC: R2-S
HSR: 3H

POC is not kind to 914 's with modifications.
I am most competitive in PCA because GT3 goes form 2.8 to 3.4 L
HSR is most fun because of the great variety of cars to compete with.

Steve

Posted by: Joe Ricard Mar 1 2005, 11:43 AM

SCCA sm-2

Posted by: kart54 Mar 1 2005, 01:43 PM

Hi Stuttgart,
Boy, alot of info, not SCCA. Simple question, complex answer. I am preparing a 1.8 with fuel injection. According to SCCA's 2005 GCR (rule book) I am eligible for G prod. Depending upon primarily the engine and to a lesser degree your mods you would be in E, F or G prod.
You can download the production portion of the GCR from SCCA's website.
If the orange car in the picture is yours you are probably looking at E prod. Bob Kirby has been very successful there for years with what appears to be a similar car.
I just finished the SCCA super school at willow this weekend in a rented car. It was a real blast. Most fun I've had in years racing. If your going to SCCA you will have to go through their school no matter what your experience. Having been to PCA and PRC events as well as SCCA I can tell you there is a world of difference.
If you have any questions you can contact me off this list. I've done a ton of research in the last two months and I have a copy of the GCR that sits at my office desk ready to go.
Randy
G Prod Porsche #58

Posted by: groot Mar 1 2005, 01:51 PM

I always forget about the 914 in GP...... Sorry about that. I've never had FI on my 914 so I never really considered it for IT or GP.

IT (Improved Touring) is an option, too. The SCCA is shaking up IT in a big way with regards to weights and classing right now. It's hard to say whether a 914 would have a chance at competing in IT.

Posted by: synthesisdv Mar 1 2005, 02:14 PM

Its amazing how many classes a 914 can qualify for.

My friend with a BMW 325 has much fewer choices.

Its hard to be competitive in most because the rules have made it tough on these little cars, the're that damn good.

Posted by: ArtechnikA Mar 1 2005, 02:22 PM

QUOTE (xitspd @ Feb 28 2005, 11:37 PM)
You are so right Andy! My 914-6 specs out to V0.... The STS series is the only place there is for a 914 win or place....

Geez, Dan!

you've got a 15-line sig and a one-line post ! okay, it's quite a car, but do we hafta read about it in every 1-line reply?

(sorry - curmugeon mode - but i hadda say something ...)

Posted by: J P Stein Mar 1 2005, 02:41 PM

Heh.....Rich, most all of the other car type BBSs have this "feature".....as I'm sure you're aware. I think it to establish one's bonafides...or sumthin'. I use "2.7L/Webers/NARP"
over on the bird board. I feel there is a lack of give a shit
about the rest of my resume.

Posted by: ArtechnikA Mar 1 2005, 02:46 PM

QUOTE (J P Stein @ Mar 1 2005, 03:41 PM)
Heh.....Rich, most all of the other car type BBSs have this "feature".....as I'm sure you're aware. I think it to establish one's bonafides...or sumthin'.

i understand. but frankly, i will be neither more nor less impressed by you or your car based on what kind of shift knob you have...

(not "you" specifically. "you" as in "anyone" ...)

Posted by: J P Stein Mar 1 2005, 03:26 PM

JPIII/2.7L/ Webers/ NARP/ Big Knob

Posted by: don9146 Mar 1 2005, 05:45 PM

QUOTE (groot @ Mar 1 2005, 02:51 PM)
I always forget about the 914 in GP...... Sorry about that. I've never had FI on my 914 so I never really considered it for IT or GP.

IT (Improved Touring) is an option, too. The SCCA is shaking up IT in a big way with regards to weights and classing right now. It's hard to say whether a 914 would have a chance at competing in IT.

The 914s were actually re-classified in IT for 2005. The 2.0 liter cars are now in ITB with a weight penalty and the 1.7 and 1.8 liter cars are in ITC.

Posted by: Stutgart46 Mar 1 2005, 08:04 PM

Thanks for the advice guys. I'll try to put it all to good use.

Posted by: smg914 Mar 1 2005, 10:23 PM

QUOTE (Stutgart46 @ Mar 1 2005, 05:53 AM)
Steve,
BTW Steve, I'll be in town for the 12 Hours of Sebring. Are you guys heading down?

I was definately going but yesterday I got invited to a very good friends birthday party and it just happens to be on the 19th. I really must go to this party and will have to miss the 12 Hour.

However, I do plan on going to the HSR event at Sebring this weekend.

Posted by: d914 Mar 2 2005, 07:13 AM

NASA with GTS , german mark cars, by power to weight only. Mine comes in at
GT-3 right at 11.5/1

2WD and DOT race tires

GTSU = 5.99 and lower

GTS5 = 6.0 - 8.49

GTS4 = 8.5 - 10.99

GTS3 = 11.0 - 14.49

GTS2 = 14.50 - 18.49

Posted by: 1973914 Mar 2 2005, 10:42 AM

Interesting thread. Whats the word on 914s in GT5 PCA? Whats the winning combo?

Posted by: URY914 Mar 2 2005, 11:23 AM

I run in several classes:

FAA; super ultralights
SCORE Offroad: low ground clearance, stuck-in-sand class
IMSA: GTX
NHRA: Top Gas funny car
Swamp Buggy: street tire division
NOPI: Non-rice class
Pike's Peak: 2 wheel drive, mile high club
Southern California Timing and Scoring: Full body, 2000 cc, air cooled, semi-streamliner
Paris-Dakar: two-wheel-drive-no-chance-of winning class

I don't win very often, but boy I have fun. Watch for me on SpeedChannel

Paul