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Posted by: stevegm Aug 21 2015, 10:10 AM

Since we all know that there are some awesome "Outlaw 914s" represented on 914world, I thought it might be cool to start a thread. Show us your "Outlaw" rides.

Posted by: falcor75 Aug 21 2015, 10:19 AM

so....first question...what makes an "outlaw 914?" ?

Posted by: stevegm Aug 21 2015, 10:22 AM

I don't know. That was one of the reasons I posted the thread - to see what you all consider an "outlaw." Emory Motorsports has been doing "Outlaw" Porsches since the 80s. There's are often sleepers. Magnus clearly has a different style than that. I would define an outlaw as a street-legal race car. Full performance, within the boundary of still needing to be street legal. Maybe someone eel will weigh in with a definition.

Posted by: falcor75 Aug 21 2015, 10:43 AM

Well I'll volonteer mine for judging then. It's a '74 2.0 ex California car now living with me in Sweden.
It's been fully torn down and rebuilt over the last 2½ years. For me its like trying to make a 914 inspired by my favorite Porsche,
the 964 RS, by loosing a bit of weight, firming up the suspension, better brakes and adding a touch more hp while retaining
most of the original looks.

Chassis has been reinforced, new suspension bushings, new shocks, five bolt conversion, front and rear trunk lids and bumpers in fibre glass, engine gets ITB's
and modern fuel injection as a first stage while later building a stroker engine aiming for 150hp.

Posted by: Mueller Aug 21 2015, 11:31 AM

Usually tasteful modifications* to a nice car that irk purists

My opinion:

Stock width GT flares are not "outlaw"

GT flares that are a few inches wider than stock is "outlaw"

Switching over to European markers are not "outlaw"

Adding RS tail lights is "outlaw"

google "356 outlaw" most that come up right away is what I'd consider outlaw, not sure I've seen too many 914s that fill the bill.

Posted by: stevegm Aug 21 2015, 11:32 AM

So what about a narrow body?

RS Tailights on a 914. Pictures?

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Aug 21 2015, 12:01 PM

...............yeah, not so much stock anymore.....could be an "outlaw" and now being worked on in thread "There Goes The Neighborhood".

Posted by: dpires914 Aug 21 2015, 12:01 PM

Some on Pinterest:
https://www.pinterest.com/gerhard_hillman/porsche-914-outlaw/

This one is one my favorites.

Posted by: Mueller Aug 21 2015, 12:06 PM

I see no reason a narrow bodied car cannot be an outlaw...I guess I meant a GT clone/replica car isn't really an outlaw in my book unless modified

Posted by: Mueller Aug 21 2015, 12:06 PM

Perfect example of an Outlaw!

Posted by: stugray Aug 21 2015, 12:16 PM

Then maybe this counts?


It is "borderline" street legal.
It has brake lights, insurance, & tags. - That's it.

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Aug 21 2015, 01:07 PM

Greenie Meenie

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Posted by: damesandhotrods Aug 21 2015, 01:32 PM

I don’t know if 914/4s are collectible enough to be an outlaw. The big point of the 356 outlaw movement is that owners are seriously jeopardizing the investment value of their cars, and then spending large amounts of money to modify them.

To be an outlaw in the 911 world means you would be joining the R Gruppe. And R Gruppe has a lot of parallels to the DKP VW Club. Most of the R Gruppe cars would not be that hard to return to stock, unlike the 356 outlaw crowd.

To be an outlaw in the 914 world, you would probably have to start with a /6. Unlike 356s, and Long Hood 911s most of the Porsche world doesn’t really care what you do to a /4, weather it is a Chevy V8, Subaru, or flares that would make a 70s IMSA fan envious…

Posted by: mikedsilva Aug 21 2015, 01:35 PM

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amazingly clean car.. simply wow!

Posted by: gereed75 Aug 21 2015, 02:01 PM

I think that the outlaw definition is more along the lines of "concours correctness be dammed, here is my quick, politically incorrect, boy racer hotrod".

I don't think the car's value is that relevant. It is just co-incidence that the R Gruppe guys cars are up in price. 356 outlaws were in existence long before 356's became super valuable. Hot rod outlaws from the 40's were not relevant to price, nor were "bobber" bikes, but I would call them all prototypical "outlaws".

This is a cool car by the way that came up in that pinterest link.... http://porsche914.fr-bb.com/t2174-porsche-914-rs-presentation .....Don't love the graphics but nice teener and fairly "outlaw".

Posted by: Andyrew Aug 21 2015, 02:08 PM

There is a facebook group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/porsche914outlaw/


Here is my outlaw
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=114780

Posted by: d914 Aug 21 2015, 02:20 PM

not finished does that count?

2.0 liter turbo 300hp suby
rebel racing suspension pieces
Racer Chris suspension and chassis pieces
engman pieces
Stock car rear shocks on hiem joints and mono balls
9/12' flares
louvers in front hood
corvette seats
olds 88 mirrors
Honda shifter and clutch master
celica radiator
water to air intercooler
led rear lights
Digidash dash....

I've colored outside the lines as much as I could..



old pic, rest are on phone

Posted by: john77 Aug 21 2015, 03:04 PM

I think what I really like about the 914 crowd is that they don't obsess over things like whether or not their car is an 'outlaw.' It's either 'on jackstands' or it's not.

Posted by: matthepcat Aug 21 2015, 03:44 PM

Mike has this set-up on social media:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/porsche914outlaw/

Posted by: Chris914n6 Aug 21 2015, 03:57 PM

Outlaw would be anything anti-purist. Non Stock parts and customizing for a performance gain that is borderline legal. Also think Hotrodding on a low budget.

Posted by: Larmo63 Aug 21 2015, 04:04 PM

I have a 911 engine going into this mess….


not outlaw?

Posted by: nine11speedster Aug 21 2015, 04:54 PM

This Outlaw?


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Posted by: sb914 Aug 21 2015, 05:00 PM

I like bellis car.outlaw of all outlaws imo

Posted by: MoveQik Aug 21 2015, 05:02 PM

Mine has been called a sleeper. I guess I'm the opposite of Outlaw? :-)

Posted by: xperu Aug 21 2015, 05:10 PM

You know, as nice as so many 914's are in the forum; this is my favorite of all. The look is totally bad ass and the ultimate out law 914. If I had the skill and money, I would tray to capture this look.

Posted by: matthepcat Aug 21 2015, 06:10 PM

You don't needs skills. Just money:

http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1974-porsche-914-coupe-used-13484378.html

Posted by: porschetub Aug 21 2015, 06:34 PM

That to me is an outlaw as it isn't conventional....show me another on here that looks the same,nice job,gets my vote .

Posted by: JmuRiz Aug 21 2015, 06:37 PM

I agree, my kind of car...skinny fenders with a 911 engine conversion with other goodies.
Very RGruppe to me.

Posted by: DBCooper Aug 21 2015, 06:47 PM

Yeah, I'm not seeing a Porsche six as being "outlaw". I've been told a number of times that a P6 is a "proper" engine, unlike my turbo Subaru. So to be an outlaw I think you'd need quite a lot more than that, and they'd need to be "improper" modifications, whatever the hell that is. I have to admit I'm a little vague on what's "proper", but whatever it is an outlaw wouldn't be that.

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Aug 21 2015, 06:54 PM

Slightly off topic, here's a link to an "outlaw" 356 w/ a 3.0 911 engine in it-

http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/1343-Porsche-356A%20Sunroof%20Coupe%20Outlaw-3.0%20Litre%20Flat%206-Cylinder

What an outlaw is has to be a tough question.


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Posted by: matthepcat Aug 21 2015, 06:55 PM

to each their own ^^ even though I tend to agree with DBCOOPER.. I like them more edgy and different.

The 356 above in the link I would call a sleeper.

Posted by: Mike Bellis Aug 21 2015, 07:17 PM

OK, here's mine.

I did not think of it as an outlaw until a fellow Porschphile called it such. Then I figured he was right! Far from pure but way more fun... That was the motivation to start the facebook group. There are many like me that can't leave well enough alone...



Near the Rock Store on Muholland

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Aug 21 2015, 07:46 PM

I don't know; since 914's came w/ 5 speeds & either 4 or 6 cyl. air cooled engines, I would think anything less than 4 or more than 6 cyl. would be an outlaw. Also, water cooled would be an outlaw. By that same thinking anything under or over 5 speeds would also have to be considered. This however, is just my thinking. I don't consider my wanna be a 916 an outlaw.


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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Aug 21 2015, 08:08 PM

I think "outlaw" connotes more of an attitude or a spirit than a particular drivetrain selection. An outlaw has to look like its a the stock car...mostly...but be subtly or not so subtly different. It can look radical, like Mike Bellis' or can look tame like the green 356/911, but either way, it has to be radically different from stock in the coolest of ways. It must be innovative, be well crafted and an extreme performance monster. Definitely not your grandfathers Porsche.

Is Ricks 918-S an outlaw? How about Chappies? or Marty's?

I think so...

I'd like to see a 914 with tubbed rear wheels, completely de-trimmed, dechromed, pop-out doors and a tilt-rear end.


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Posted by: trojanhorsepower Aug 21 2015, 08:34 PM

I would judge an outlaw, as a car with major addendum and/or disassociation gratia performance, with out due regard for the quality of execution....

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Aug 21 2015, 08:41 PM

Sounds like a lawyers definition

Posted by: Bruce Hinds Aug 21 2015, 10:40 PM

Now THAT'S an outlaw!

Posted by: arkitect Aug 21 2015, 11:46 PM

Would this be an outlaw? Narrow body but very clean v8 engine transplant.

Dave

Posted by: mgp4591 Aug 22 2015, 12:09 AM

Absolutely! Is that the only thing different from stock on your car? I would think that additions made to the car that aren't just a stock upgrade but enhance performance without degrading other aspects of the car qualify as outlaw. If the engine took handling or braking performance away from stock, that would not add to the overall balance of the car- I think that's the difference. If your changes add to the performance and keep the car balanced as much as possible, that would be an outlaw. Show us what else you've done to the car that helps the V8 work better in that platform. Great looking car too- a V8 sleeper is a great surprise to alot of people I'm sure!

Posted by: MoveQik Aug 22 2015, 12:42 AM

Crap....now I'm maybe not a sleeper but an outlaw again? I just don't know....

Not stock:
Rear fenders cut and stretched 2 inches
Cowl vents deleted
Side markers deleted
Antenna deleted
Hood badge deleted
Windshield sprayers deleted
Radio, air controls and ashtray deleted
Backdated bumpers

911 front suspension and brakes
911 Carrera 3.2 motor
GT inspired interior

16x8 & 16x7" wheels

Did I mention the LE spoiler? That makes the car pretty much priceless.

Countlesss other little mods but still looks VERY tame to the casual observer.


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Posted by: Larmo63 Aug 22 2015, 12:51 AM

Mike, we voted…….you're officially Outlaw

Posted by: MoveQik Aug 22 2015, 12:57 AM

It's because I am from AZ, isn't it? We get a bad rap out here!!

Posted by: Geezer914 Aug 22 2015, 03:45 AM

What do you think?

Posted by: carr914 Aug 22 2015, 05:07 AM

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Posted by: trojanhorsepower Aug 22 2015, 05:46 AM

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Sounds like a lawyers definition
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No lawyers here Just a poor attempt to riff on the outlaw theme.

Posted by: 1stworks Aug 22 2015, 07:18 AM

My outlaw.

72 body
5.3 lsx all aluminum ls1 intake.
Boxster S 6 speed
Complete chassis stiffening kit
Adj front sway rear sway
Bilstein
RS interior,no hvac glove box or key
Sparco race seats

Posted by: Wdunster Aug 22 2015, 08:09 AM

Not sure if little ugly qualifies. 2.4 6cyl factory engine mounts,oil tank. 225/50/16 rear tires with boxter wheels, Bigger brakes and a lot more smiles from the driver.


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Posted by: Mike Bellis Aug 22 2015, 08:30 AM

I would argue that to be an outlaw, you cannot appeal to everyone. The car must be different and not follow traditional customization trends. A customized car is not necessarily a outlaw; it's custom or hot rodded or sleeper. I never decided my car was an outlaw, someone else coined it.

If a typical 911 owner likes your car, it most likely is not an outlaw...

This car is on the fence. In a word, it's awesome! but it's borderline outlaw. This car just appeals to the masses, with the exception of the chop top. Feed back has shown that not everyone likes the chopped roof line. Without the chop, it's just a GT clone that is well done.

Posted by: PanelBilly Aug 22 2015, 08:45 AM

I'm not to keen on the term outlaw. I'm preferring pirate

Posted by: 1stworks Aug 22 2015, 09:09 AM

[quote name='Mike Bellis' date='Aug 22 2015, 08:30 AM' post='2226977']
I would argue that to be an outlaw, you cannot appeal to everyone. The car must be different and not follow traditional customization trends. A customized car is not necessarily a outlaw; it's custom or hot rodded or sleeper. I never decided my car was an outlaw, someone else coined it.

If a typical 911 owner likes your car, it most likely is not an outlaw...

Posted by: RobW Aug 22 2015, 09:20 AM

Outlaw 914s include horrible FG kits and 911 want to be mods. To me, an outlaw is building out your dream and somehow not ending up with a piece of crap.

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Aug 22 2015, 02:01 PM

I remember outlaws starting out of the 356 cult, looking rough like just finishing the Carrera Pan America down Mexico way
Today old Detroit- iron hot rods have their own Rat Rod movement..probably where all of this matte car painting came from
There are a lot of type4 engines powering 356 outlaws today, fewer with 911 power.
On the 914, I'd say : primered, matte paint finish, loud with megaphone pipes, engine-through-body design, de-badging ( other cars won't know what just flew by), subtle body mods and de-chroming.
Here is a beautiful type4 powered 356...considered an outlaw to the 356 purists

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Aug 22 2015, 02:03 PM

...another of this Outlaw 's interior, sorry for the blurr!
Marty

Posted by: Hank914 Aug 22 2015, 02:23 PM

Outlaw mirrors outside and inside!

But cool-ish mirrors. Of course, not all non-stock mirrors are outlaw-ish. Some are just dorky!

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Aug 22 2015, 02:26 PM

..........interesting chop-job outlaw as seen on ebay awhile back

Posted by: Hank914 Aug 22 2015, 02:30 PM

That is not ugly. And I love the mirrors! Color matching non stock = outlaw!

Posted by: Hank914 Aug 22 2015, 02:34 PM

And you did not mention the stock mirrors in non-stock (outlaw?) black! I like!

Posted by: dhm Aug 22 2015, 03:04 PM

Posted by: jmitro Aug 22 2015, 04:18 PM

It's pretty clear that everyone has a different opinion of what makes an "outlaw," but I think this sums it up pretty well in my opinion. The cars in this thread all look great, but IMHO only a few are "outlaws"

Posted by: 76-914 Aug 22 2015, 04:59 PM

Posted by: dlkawashima Aug 22 2015, 05:33 PM

I don't know Mike, I'm not sure I really agree with that. There are details that are polarizing in the extreme. For example, in addition to the chop top that makes the car unsuitable to anyone over about 5'-8" I would argue that the suede dash in that car is butt ugly. In fact most of the interior is not to my liking. Is it an outlaw? Oh yeah, it's an outlaw. If I had the money would I buy it? In a heartbeat.

Posted by: Andyrew Aug 22 2015, 07:16 PM

Mike I think I need to disagree with you. If we look at the 356 community which is where the term outlaw comes from in the porsche community it references cars that differ from stock in an obvious fashion.

But if we look at the cars you can see they are typically race car ish looking with monern tires upgrades suspension and brakes and larger motors.

Most of the 356s out there are almost 100% stock as thats is how the owners like them and they retain their highest value there. However most of the 914s are obviously modified.

Posted by: Mike Bellis Aug 22 2015, 08:08 PM

I'm not saying the black car isn't awesome! I feel it's more of a hot rod than an outlaw. Everything on this car is top dollar and extremely nice. way too nice. I did post it in the Outlaw Group on FB but I'm on the fence.

Dave, I would buy this car in a heart beat too! And drive the shit out of it.

In many ways it does fit the outlaw theme but the purists also like it. My favorite outlaws are the cars that the purists can't stand. But I think this leans toward full custom hot rod more than outlaw.

The term outlaw is open for interpretation; unless tha car is used in a crime...

Posted by: rick 918-S Aug 22 2015, 08:20 PM

There is a lot of speculation about what makes a 914 an outlaw car. Mere body changes I wouldn't think would do it as there are many cars with 916 styling. The car would have to be more than 916 styling. Outlaw could be cars with engine swaps, non Porsche engines. We all seem to like cars with swaps so there is nothing really offensive about that within the group here. Unlike the 365 crowd that seen to think any mod to a 356 is sacrilege.

A 911-6 swap is common and there are many out there. It would have to be more than a straight 6 swap. Something like a blown or turbo'd car with a 6. I think the cars would have to be driven. And not just 100 miles. A proven car driven hard long distance without issue. A reliable car. A real bad ass, iron butt road warrior.

Here's where my head is at. I don't see a real "group of 914 outlaws" Anyone have information to the contrary?

I think there should be an official group formed. A group of guys and cars that have actually driven their outlaw cars long distances. The core group should have to nominate new members and they should have to prove their worth with a long distance run.

Anyone up to the challenge? Who wants to set the rules for what is a "real" outlaw car and what is the common and accepted engine swap body mod/ conversion.

Are we ready for that or should we wait until 914's become unobtainium and it becomes offensive to modify them?

Posted by: Wdunster Aug 22 2015, 09:16 PM

As long as it doesn't turn into the "who spent the most" on the mods kinda deal. I built mine from an abandoned 4 cyl car with weeds growing through it. Built to satisfy me and only me on a limited budget. I personally feel an outlaw car should be considered a vehicle modified from its original configuration to enhance its performance and drivability yet keeping with the "original look" of the car. I agree they should be real drivers not occasional around the block cars. "Just say'n"

Posted by: phillstek Aug 22 2015, 10:00 PM

Interesting topic and great to see all the differing views.

Weirdly enough I went to along to a PCNSW event yesterday where the concourse judges were explaining and demonstrating what category a car presented at their concours would fall into.

For a bit of fun I showed them my car and it was their opinion that it was without doubt an ‘outlaw’.

My spin is: if it’s heavily modified/personalised in anyway, it’s an outlaw. 4,6,8 or whatever, it doesn’t matter. Also agree the car has to be driven hard on a regular basis and it doesn’t have to be but can be, immaculately presented.

Posted by: Mark Garriott Aug 22 2015, 10:19 PM

I think it is hard to identify any specific 914s as outlaw, because by their very existence within Porschedom, all 914s are outlaws.

There are very few 914 purists. And they certainly are not a majority to establish bounds of acceptability. It is awfully hard to rebel against conformity when non-conformity is what has drawn people to the car, and kept the car affordable (ish).

Posted by: Tbrown4x4 Aug 22 2015, 10:37 PM

I'm pretty new here and to 914's, but I quickly sensed the disdain for my little car from the taildragger crowd. I don't really mind, and I kind of understand their position. I tend to agree that this certainly qualifies the 914 as "outlaw" to the 911 people and I love it. Our group has the freedom to build these as they see fit, (and the more radical they turn out, the better we like it) while still appreciating a beautiful original car for what it is too.

Posted by: Rand Aug 23 2015, 12:37 AM

If you have to ask if your car is an outlaw, it is not.

So many beautiful cars have been posted on this thread that ask. And I love them all.

Sorry, but if it looks like a narrow body on the outside, and all the awesomeness isn't screaming in your face, it cannot be an outlaw. It might be my favorite build of all!!! I love sleepers!!!

But an outlaw screams it at first glance. More like catches you at the corner of your eye and gives you whiplash to take another look. It doesn't beg or wonder to ask if it is. There is no question. At first glance, you KNOW.

Let's not smudge the lines here anymore.

Outlaw is badass. It is it's own language. And no pretender can fit in.

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Aug 23 2015, 01:35 AM

I always like my cars to speak of my personal style, probably the reason I sketch then proceed to hands on building. As far as bodywork, engine +trans, I will work with these craftsmen throughout the project. I don't know if my work is outlaw, but just coming from the need for speed and then creating it on my vehicle.
Then there's the first cut into metal, you need to be an outlaw to start cutting on your perfectly good car
Work started on this build in 1988.This pic from 1995, I've already got the firewall shaped for the 935 horizontal fan housing and its accompanying top-right mounted alternator.
The alternator pulley enters the cabin by 1", so a custom cover plate was shaped as well. 930 fuel distributor is mounted to the battery tray. The trunk cutting is for intercooler tubing and the throttle body- to- plenum area.The flat aluminum plate is a bracket for the catch can.

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Aug 23 2015, 02:01 AM

Looking like a bit of an outlaw here (1989, old shop #2 with hot tin roof !) mocking up for the Spearco intercooler, which I kicked up out of the trunk bodywork into the airflow...thereby eliminating fans, relays, switches. The intercooler pulls a lot of heat out of those 2 charge-pipes. Note the trunk assist hydraulic lifts, taken off of a vw rabbit. Today Carrera gt's, 918's and other mega exotics all strut their stuff popping exhaust pipes, plenums out of the upper bodywork.
Supercar outlaws?

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Aug 23 2015, 02:47 AM

New Old Stock German gt fenders I bought in the '70s, installed in 1989.
The owner of Coachworks had already built several gt's, but he said that my build with the hole in the trunk was some kind of half-breed, hot rod outlaw 914. His partner called it a fast VW ! He also strengthened the floppy trunk that I had cut open. After it was painted we roped the doors shut, put it on a flatbed and I took it home for assembly.
The car made the cover of European Car in 1995.

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Aug 23 2015, 03:12 AM

Another fun day in 1996, with the 914 hotrod was showing it at a prestigious Beverly Hills car show. Nothing but 6 figure cars there, and classic Woodys from back in the day. It was accepted well, except for one trophy wife that walked by and I heard her comment to her husband, "You know dear...someone brought the cheapest car here today, that little black one ". So after the judges came by for European Street Modified, I took 3rd against all sorts of Ferraris, MBZ, Maseratis, Jags and 911s.
That's Mattylite on the detailing

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Aug 23 2015, 03:18 AM

...last one
As far as outlaws go, it does have a wing off of a Hurst Olds, the heart of a 935 (tuned for street 98 oct), an 8 point roll cage, but might just be a shiny hotrod 6
The green car reflection on the door is a Maserati Indy.

Posted by: RobW Aug 23 2015, 06:35 AM

I've found that drivers appreciate the 914, and the checkbook wine elitists don't. That's why when I was in a 993 daily, I'd go to PCA events and tell people I drove a 914. Weeded out the smart people.

Posted by: RobW Aug 23 2015, 06:40 AM

Marty your car is friggin' awesome. It needs its own category.

Posted by: LeftCoastErik Aug 23 2015, 08:19 AM

Maybe mine? Injected Buick, Boxter Brakes, 911 suspension, 17"Fuchs, sticky tires, custom gauges and lightweight bodywork


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Posted by: rick 918-S Aug 23 2015, 08:25 AM

Marty, your car is badass! I think it was 2005 WCR? I had the pleasure of taking in some of the details. I agree with Rand. Outlaw is in your face, catch your eye and keeps your attention. There is no subtleness about it. When you look at it you know.

Posted by: r_towle Aug 23 2015, 08:48 AM

Seems to me, the term outlaw means:

I did it for me not you
I do not care what you think
My ideas all for me
Fast
Stripped of needless extras

To me, that is an outlaw, something not made to conform to a genre, but to please the builder alone.
I would strongly argue that Magnus and the current 356 outlaws are no longer tuned into that feeling....it's now a culture that seems to have developed yet another set of rules....

To be voted into a group of outlaws seems to be completely against the whole idea of an outlaw....it's a singular car with its sole mission to be pleasing the current owner and builder, nothing more.

Posted by: Vysoc Aug 23 2015, 09:02 AM

Here is a random thought,

The 356's have the "Outlaw" tag, the 911's have the "R Gruppe" tag.
The 914 group needs their own identity, the 914-6's (Original) are their own special group. I was working on this idea last week and trying to create an idea for a logo or crest, we need our own identity.

My first thought was "Rebel" and not having anything to do with any Civil War connotations as the Rebel flag would not be a part of the logo.

I think the Outlaw/R Gruppe/Rebel moniker goes with cars that are modified with great taste keeping with the Porsche (914) Marque, alive in the design and doing special things away from the stock; Flared Fenders, Flat Six Engine, Upgraded Suspensions, Modified Exhausts, Modified Interiors, etc...

I do think the ultimate expression that I have seen so far is the Black Swan with the slight chopped top, not a big fan of chopping tops but that car with the hundreds of hours of custom metalwork just "LOOKS RIGHT", in my opinion. That car to me is the ultimate 914 REBEL.

They say we are not thought as highly as other Porsches and the NARP moniker why not coin the name of Rebel?


Just my .02,

Vysoc

Posted by: RobW Aug 23 2015, 09:15 AM

Exactly...

Posted by: zambezi Aug 23 2015, 09:21 AM

I won 2nd place in the 2005 356 registrry holiday "outlaw" class with my 1953 Porsche 356. As stated the 911's have the R group and in the Austin Healey circle they label the non stock carss as "nasty boys". We should come up with our own term so when we say it people know right away we are reffering to a 914.

Posted by: Madswede Aug 23 2015, 09:23 AM

Interesting thread. I consider my own car to be a hot rod, not an outlaw for most of the same reasons described on this thread already.

My car has a 3.2 /6 that is relatively close to stock: still N/A, but with ITBs and EDIS, new pistons and cylinders, Dougherty racing cam, higher comp, Megasquirt, dual plug... so "relatively" is a relative word I suppose.

The body has had a fair amount of original stuff deleted and GT flares added, as well as custom R-style taillights (with added backup lights), suspension and brake upgrades, Real Fuchs ™ 930 wheels 16x7 and 16x9, front GT-style oil cooler, and a bumper painted two different colors (which gets me the most questions, my favorite being: "why haven't you finished painting your bumper?").

We kept the 901 transmission though, stock gearing, but had it rebuilt and a lot of stuff replaced. Rennshift and linkage too.

It's heavily modified, nowhere really near a stock 914 in the sense of the engine at all and some obvious cosmetics, but outlaw? Nah. The 914 is always being modified so much that in my mind it must be something that really irks the purists. Since I'm not a purist by any means, I'm not qualified to say what an "outlaw" 914 is.

Posted by: Camaro Mike Aug 23 2015, 09:30 AM

+1

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Aug 23 2015, 09:31 AM

Outlaw + "Teener" = Jailbait?

Posted by: Wdunster Aug 23 2015, 10:07 AM

+2 !!

Posted by: poorsche914 Aug 23 2015, 10:29 AM

E gruppe

E = einzigartig = unique

Since there seems to be no set rules on what exactly makes a 914 an "outlaw", each one is truly unique.

Posted by: thieuster Aug 23 2015, 10:49 AM

A nice decal / shield of some sort with something like 'E Gruppe' (just to quote a suggestion), or 'M Gruppe' as in 'Mittelmotor' or 'modded / modified / modifiziert'. That will give it some real look and feel. But please, please, NOT with the use of the old German fonts. I prefer early 70s fonts!

Somewhere halfway down this page a few links with a lot of inspiration! http://ministryoftype.co.uk/tag:Signs+%26amp%3B+Lettering/page:9

Menno

Posted by: Andyrew Aug 23 2015, 11:30 AM

I think this is not necessarily true. I would vote that a diesel engine or a 100hp honda powered car would be outlaw, or maybe "renegade" as its not the norm. And there are PLENTY of cars that I would think would be considered outlaw that have stereo's. And thats completely needless. I mean who needs fenders? Bumpers? Paint? A passenger seat? Glass? "Stripped of needless extras" would be a race car plain and simple.

Posted by: MMW Aug 23 2015, 11:48 AM

There is no one definition for an outlaw even in the 356 community. All are just personal opinions. One thing for sure is it pisses off the purists.

My opinion is a car modified to try to be the fastest, baddest car around. Most mods are based on race car stuff & make it barely street legal. Basically a hot rod. Something that at first glance screams "I'm fast" & then can back it up. If it doesn't have the visual then it is a sleeper which is equally cool.

Posted by: dlkawashima Aug 23 2015, 12:05 PM

I like M Gruppe, as in the Middle finger gruppe cuz that's what I picture these guys saying to the purists with their cars.

Posted by: DBCooper Aug 23 2015, 01:33 PM

I think the outlaw concept you're looking for is just the sports car equivalent of an American hot rod. Modified for purpose, disregarding anybody's "rules," and making fun of purists.

About a club I have to go with Groucho, and wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member. Of course that's a piss poor attitude, and I know it, but hey, isn't that "outlaw"?

Posted by: rgalla9146 Aug 23 2015, 02:07 PM

Outlaw ?

Posted by: stevegm Aug 23 2015, 02:11 PM

I agree. I didn't mean to start a debate. Although it has been an interesting thread. To me the key is - uniqueness. Not necessarily following the trend, but, following the owner's heart. Beyond that, full performance, whatever that means to the owner, would be an important element to me.

Posted by: messix Aug 23 2015, 02:20 PM

outlaw = give concourse weanies annurysms

Posted by: euro911 Aug 23 2015, 02:27 PM

Oh crap ... We're gonna get a bad rap for moving to Payson?

To me, the term 'Outlaw' denotes a certain look for a Porsche. On 356s and 911s, owners remove the bumper trim (even the entire bumpers on 356s), add deep-dish wheels (some blacked-out), lower the car and possibly 'souping up' the motors.

I consider the BB to be more of a Hot Rod than an Outlaw.

Posted by: KELTY360 Aug 23 2015, 02:41 PM

This is a complicated topic bordering on existential intricacies. Seems to me that an 'outlaw' would be a car that goes against the norm, flouting convention. In the 356 and 911 world, that has meant going against the grain of the purist majority.

In the 914 world, the purists are largely a minority who don't tend to speak out for fear of ridicule. So maybe, in our world, the correct, concurs cars are really the outlaws and their owners are the true noncomformists.

Of course, that is changing as purists from the 911 and 356 camps discover the brilliance of 914s and seek to find those correct and original examples.

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Aug 23 2015, 02:57 PM

I do remember WCR 2005, Howard (r.i.p.) and 914world put on a blast at the old Paramount Ranch Raceway complete with the In+Out Hamburger
18 wheeler
I didn't get a chance to meet you that day...I was checking out all of the cars as well
Your opinions here on world are well respected by me, and I'm honored that you dig my ride .
So now let's all get in the think tank and come up with a good catch phrase for our trick little panzers !
Marty

Posted by: porschecb Aug 23 2015, 04:52 PM

Green grass and high tides forever!

Posted by: Andyrew Aug 23 2015, 05:11 PM

I also like M Gruppe

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Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Aug 23 2015, 08:56 PM

We should be 1000% opposed to a special 'gruppe', special stickers, special name , special identity unless its very informal, because its exclusionary, and the opposite of what 914s are about.

What next, a separate website, special jacket, special tattooes, secret handshake known only to those that belong?

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Posted by: Mike Bellis Aug 23 2015, 09:12 PM

Or have no rules and let everybody in.

Posted by: Mike Bellis Aug 23 2015, 09:14 PM

FO9O Gruppe

(Fuck Off 911 Owner)

Posted by: RobW Aug 23 2015, 09:40 PM

The secret handshake could be pulling your pockets out showing that their empty.

Posted by: euro911 Aug 23 2015, 10:39 PM

I think the fad of walking around with one's pants pockets pulled out already passed several years ago

Posted by: mgp4591 Aug 23 2015, 10:55 PM

I thought the term NARP kinda summed it up- coined by others but taken up seriously by modded 914 owners as well as our purist brethren. I like it because it says it all.

Posted by: Chris Pincetich Aug 24 2015, 12:19 AM

Maybe you can only call a 914 an "outlaw" if it has 356 fenders and bodywork?

Most 914 projects end up being a modernization on the platform, like Mike B's and many others: modern lights, modern engine swap (or modern EFI), nice sound system, improved interior....now what's that called?

"Hot rod" sounds too american muscle car or t-bucket, any "gruppe" sounds like a clique of euro dudes, and "custom" is too boring....so...

I used to call my 914 a "cafe racer", like the moto term, because it was low, light, stripped down, loud, a weekend warrior, and fun!

Is Erik's 914 primer? More pics! It has that unique modern/ratrod/outlaw vibe

Posted by: euro911 Aug 24 2015, 04:12 AM

I guess people can call them whatever they want. Bottom line: they're a blast to drive, especially through the twisties

Posted by: LeftCoastErik Aug 24 2015, 09:25 AM

Mine is wrapped in Matte Chocolate Brown Metallic. Has some copper flake in it. Big 'ol bumper sticker. Its practical too, since all the lightweight panels would likely stress crack paint in about 5 minutes.. The vinyl keeps it all together.

Posted by: frankiec@outrageous.net Aug 24 2015, 10:24 AM

If I'm not mistaken the start of the tread says "show us your rides" but all we're mostly getting is opinions on what "outlaw" means. Since defining outlaw will be subjective,[attachmentid=513888] how about some pics. Here's my 3.2 sleeper as we used to say when building hot rods. Is this and outlaw??? I'm sure some will say no and some say yes so how about showing your cars.

Posted by: frankiec@outrageous.net Aug 24 2015, 10:36 AM

If I'm not mistaken the start of the tread says "show us your rides" but all we're mostly getting is opinions on what "outlaw" means. Since defining outlaw will be subjective,[attachmentid=513888] how about some pics. Here's my 3.2 sleeper as we used to say when building hot rods. Is this and outlaw??? I'm sure some will say no and some say yes so how about showing your cars.


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Posted by: frankiec@outrageous.net Aug 24 2015, 10:53 AM

Sorry, couldn't upload pic. Will do so when I figure out what I'm doing wrong.

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Posted by: naro914 Aug 24 2015, 11:04 AM

I was kinda thinking along these lines as I read through this thread....

A VAST majority of the 914's out there have been modified in some way or another...either a different engine, 5 lug conversion, GT, wider wheels, -6 clone, Suby/V8, etc. etc. etc... Yes, there are still a bunch of bone stock 914's out there, but my guess is they are the minority...

356 owners see stock and preservation of stock as the 'right' thing to do, and modifying as blasphemous....hence "Outlaw"

R-Gruppe is just a performance hot-rodded early 911...a group dreamed up by one guy and 'membership' into the group by some super secret handshake or something...

914 owners modify at will for personal satisfaction, with no regard to originality or to be part of a 'club'. We just do it because we want to and we can....

We have two highly modified 914's. Would I call them "Outlaw?" Absolutely not...

But here''s a couple gratuitous pictures anyway.

Posted by: naro914 Aug 24 2015, 11:04 AM

double post...dunno how??...

Posted by: Mark Garriott Aug 24 2015, 11:36 AM

My boss (a bit of an outlaw himself) got into the R-Gruppe with a Euro-spec '73 911 S. When he introduced himself at a group meeting he explained "I learned to paint cars really fast because I was raised by a band of gypsies and they needed to change colors on the hot cars before the cops could figure it out."

Crickets. Turd in punch bowl.

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Aug 24 2015, 11:48 AM

I think I'm suffering from double vision with Naro's double post..but I have to agree with Bob and others ; let's keep our 914world group here non-secret handshake, non-attitude, non-nose in the air. If you need to be an outlaw there is a well known site where you can buy a $5.00 packet of outlaw stickers+patches.
Most of us here are renaissance craftsmen/craftswomen that express our cars in many ways. That is the nature of the rolling art that we drive, our own expressions.
We already have an awesome 914world badge, but if someone here wants to design and offer badges for different genres of the 914 builds, I'd say go for it !
Marty

Posted by: euro911 Aug 24 2015, 05:37 PM

In the File Attachment section, after you 'Browse' and 'Add This Attachment', make sure to click the 'Add into Post' button.

Posted by: Stacks914 Aug 24 2015, 05:43 PM

Wow Some sweet rides!!!!

Posted by: Larmo63 Aug 24 2015, 05:53 PM

Mike D and I came up with a name at Bruce's swap meet………. We would do it in the same font as the R Gruppe guys, but we're the " F Truppe !!!! "


Somehow, it needs to have a human hand in there somewhere too, flipping the bird.

Posted by: euro911 Aug 24 2015, 06:18 PM

F Truppe ...

Posted by: naro914 Aug 24 2015, 06:32 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K4BvF_sb3Y

Posted by: naro914 Aug 24 2015, 06:34 PM

I think the title here says everything about 914 ownership...don't you think?

http://www.theawl.com/2013/01/the-joys-and-derangement-of-f-troop

Posted by: Larmo63 Aug 24 2015, 07:54 PM

I'm going to do it. We need to flip the finger a bit to the 911 snobs, don't you think?

Posted by: scotty b Aug 24 2015, 07:55 PM

an outlaw 914 is a bone stock metallic gold 1.8

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Posted by: r_towle Aug 24 2015, 09:49 PM

Fixed

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Aug 24 2015, 11:52 PM

Even Jay "Outlawed" his '29 Dusey
He was a a local C+C this Sunday and was just shaking down the drivetrain; body panels not ready yet.
Marty

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Aug 25 2015, 12:15 AM

Another view of Jay's Dusenberg...outlaw style, but not for long.
This Cars+Coffee goes off each Sunday, 7am at Westfields Topanga Canyon blvd.

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Posted by: lonewolfe Aug 25 2015, 05:13 PM

Sweet car Geezer! I love the duck tail spoiler! I want one of those decklids for mine!

Posted by: lonewolfe Aug 25 2015, 05:14 PM

Sweet car Geezer! I love the duck tail spoiler! I want one of those decklids for mine!

Posted by: lonewolfe Aug 25 2015, 05:17 PM

I love it Menno! Sehr gut!!!

Posted by: Racing916 Aug 25 2015, 08:52 PM

Here is a picture of my VW racing against "Porsches"




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Posted by: WLD419 Aug 26 2015, 04:16 AM

Here's a few pic's of my , 2.8 twinpluged , dry sumped, megasquirt injected, crank fired,
outlawed, hot rodded 914-4 , with a/c ,heat & defrost , Bill D.

Posted by: mepstein Aug 26 2015, 05:50 AM

I thought an outlaw 914 is one that's not on jackstands.

Posted by: MJHanna Aug 26 2015, 07:38 AM

Vey nice car so in reading all of this thread is your car more a sleeper than an outlaw? Maybe its both??? I like sleepers. Let them figure out what left them in the dust.

Posted by: Mueller Aug 26 2015, 08:25 AM

Nice...very Outlaw!

Need a link to your engine or car build thread!

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Aug 26 2015, 09:03 AM

Bill D...good fit of the AA clear rear lenses . Took us about 12 hours including breaking+ re-setting one of the studded posts in the lens.
The 911 style fan housing is trick, looks like a F-A-T performance item ?
One bad outlaw Type4 4sure

Posted by: MoveQik Aug 26 2015, 09:24 AM

Classic!

Posted by: euro911 Aug 26 2015, 04:25 PM

What is the hose/tubing running around the engine grille for? ... oil cooling?

Posted by: WLD419 Aug 26 2015, 05:07 PM

It's an economy fire suppression system , I also carry a fire extinguisher in the cabin of the car , Bill D.

http://jogrusa.com/products/blazecut-fire-suppression-system

Posted by: mgp4591 Aug 26 2015, 06:19 PM

Nice steering wheel! Where did you pick that up from?

Posted by: okieflyr Aug 26 2015, 06:54 PM

This one has a few clues that things may not be stock, but you don't know it has twenty valves and a turbo until you lift the lid. It's done more than a few road trips with sizeable distances through the years, needs paint and body work but it gets driven well and it's always been good to me.

Posted by: Mike Bellis Aug 26 2015, 06:57 PM

One of my inspirations!

Posted by: carr914 Aug 26 2015, 07:47 PM

Finally some pictures instead of debate of what an Outlaw is!

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Posted by: euro911 Aug 26 2015, 10:54 PM

Hey, thanks for posting this TC

I had an orange one with OEM Fuch wheels on my desk at work several years ago ... I lost track of the template though

They hold up well if you print them on good thick card stock

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Aug 27 2015, 03:33 PM

...............Outlaw?

How about this rat rod.

Total Felony?




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Posted by: TJB/914 Aug 27 2015, 04:15 PM

Just wondering??

Is the Sir Andy "Limo" an outlaw??

Tom

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Aug 27 2015, 04:18 PM

.........ground effects 'outlandish'

Posted by: LeftCoastErik Aug 27 2015, 04:27 PM

Let me put the yellow car on the list of things I can't unsee...

Posted by: Mike Bellis Aug 27 2015, 06:53 PM

Yes!

Posted by: mgp4591 Aug 28 2015, 01:01 AM

I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but in what world was that EVER a good looking car?! And yes, I lived through disco and IMSA and Corvette Summer but I've never wanted anything even close to that. Hope someone is happy with their decision!

Posted by: lonewolfe Aug 28 2015, 01:14 AM

I think that car needs all those crazy body mods because you know it's a really fast car. Look, it has eight tailpipes! That car must go 200mph. Ha ha ha ha!!!!

Posted by: lonewolfe Aug 28 2015, 01:15 AM

Actually, I think they got some design cues from the boxes sitting on that loading dock!

Posted by: matthepcat Aug 28 2015, 01:19 AM

I am liking where this thread is going.

Posted by: mgp4591 Aug 28 2015, 02:05 AM

Actually, I'd like to see more detail on your flares. I know you said they were 911 in the rear and I don't think you have any in front but if you know how they were sourced
(I'm thinking just cut off the donor?) or any other details, I'd really appreciate it- I love the look out back! Oh, and there's no such thing as too many pictures...!

Posted by: Johny Blackstain Aug 28 2015, 09:48 AM

I think I would have liked this, when I was 5 It looks like some really wealthy Dad let his 5 yr old design it
Vroom vroom!

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Aug 28 2015, 09:58 AM

..............and check out the "button-down" roof of that banana !


Hey, even YOU can join the party:







....at least this one has the regular roof

Posted by: LeftCoastErik Aug 28 2015, 10:41 AM

IMO (which may not be worth much..) the Outlaw thing in the 911 world has gotten a little too broad in terms of its use. The 356 crowd seems to have a more defined version of an Outlaw.
I certainly don't think there needs to be a separate group for 914 Outlaws, but I do think that there are definitely cars that should or could be considered worthy of the classification.
For me, like with 911s or 356s, the term refers to the feeling the car evokes when seen, heard or driven. There is no formula, no set of parts to buy, its more than that. An Outlaw flies in the face of convention.
So, a GT clone or a 6cyl swap with a 5-lug conversion--probably not an Outlaw. A car with a turbocharged 3.2 and other goodies, probably is an Outlaw. Non Pcar engine swaps-maybe. Cars that have been stripped of all unnecessary stuff (but are still "finished"), have race seats, big brakes, big wheels and tires and sound like a demon from hell is trying to get out of the exhaust pipes...those are outlaws. Mean, nasty, angry Outlaws.

Posted by: Mike Bellis Aug 28 2015, 09:49 PM

I guess we are all outlaws. Why else would we drive 914's?

Posted by: lonewolfe Aug 28 2015, 11:12 PM

Mike, your car is definitely Outlaw! I don't think anyone would dispute that!

Posted by: Larmo63 Aug 28 2015, 11:27 PM

Seriously, that yellow blown car could not have EVER looked cool.

Could it?

Posted by: 914forme Aug 29 2015, 03:54 AM

Yes as a Hot Wheels Version. Then I could have poured lighter fluid all over it, and burnt it to the ground, as I drove it off the equally scaled cliff, in the creek below.

Now it would be in Forza as your pimped out 914, and all the 5 year olds would be smoking your ass on the game, not because it would really work like that in real life.

Maybe it was built for the new Mad Max film, and got rejected, because he forgot the horns, guns, and flames.

I am sure if it shot fire out it 8 tail pipes, I could get a sweet job with Nascar as a track dryer.

Posted by: URY914 Aug 29 2015, 04:59 AM

Is this outlaw enough........

Posted by: RobW Aug 29 2015, 05:09 AM

Yes!

Posted by: Mike Bellis Aug 29 2015, 08:59 AM

No. The wing is too small...

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Aug 29 2015, 10:43 AM

............"outlaw" wing envey:woohoo:

Posted by: Jeff Bowlsby Aug 29 2015, 10:48 AM

It may be outlaw...but what percentage of a real 914 is left...by weight?



:luv you man:

Posted by: euro911 Aug 29 2015, 02:32 PM

Just popping off the stock hub caps gives it an outlaw look (to me). The 5.5" stock wheels look even better ...

Posted by: Porschef Aug 29 2015, 03:23 PM

Really? That's an aerofoil. Same principle as the America's Cup catamaran. A good stiff breeze and she's flying. I love it.

I backdated my bumpers, not so outlaw. The yellow car, however, should be outlawed.
But I have to say, looking at the rear, makes me think of motor boating, aka brunski...

Posted by: LeftCoastErik Aug 29 2015, 04:42 PM

I don't think racecars can really be outlaws. There's usually no question about what a racecar is. Questionably legal cars with a valid license plate...them r Outlaws

Posted by: euro911 Aug 29 2015, 06:23 PM

Was this a prop car for the Back to the Fuchture movie?

Posted by: okieflyr Aug 29 2015, 07:13 PM

I believe this was my inspiration car that has an Audi 1.8t back in the day.

Posted by: Mike Bellis Aug 29 2015, 09:15 PM

We all agree that you are an outlaw. The car, not so much...

Posted by: euro911 Aug 29 2015, 09:52 PM

That isn't my car, although Dianne's car will be running with some 5.5" powder-coated steelies, no caps and 185s for a while ... until I obtain another nice set of ATS Classics

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Aug 30 2015, 04:04 PM

..........the yellow monster DOES have a license plate so it could be an outlaw ....and check out the cooling "plate" behind the roof ...

Posted by: LeftCoastErik Aug 30 2015, 05:34 PM

The yellow car is just tasteless and horrifying.

Posted by: LeftCoastErik Aug 30 2015, 05:34 PM

The yellow car is just tasteless and horrifying.

Posted by: matthepcat Aug 30 2015, 08:00 PM

Needs more exhaust pipes to be outlaw

Posted by: matthepcat Aug 30 2015, 10:50 PM

Lol.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-914-2-door-/151797327505?nav=SEARCH

Outlaw of interior mods and stickers?

Posted by: Andyrew Aug 30 2015, 11:51 PM

Looks like a really solid car. Its obvious that the guy was very proud of it

That being said, certainly much different than most people's taste. Sad thing is this is EXACTLY what is happening to modern performance cars, they buy a bunch of bolt on bling.

Posted by: oldschool Aug 31 2015, 12:47 AM

yep I've seen that thing being built at the garage......sweet.

Posted by: mgp4591 Aug 31 2015, 01:04 AM

Ugly Corvette spoiler on the back, self proclaimed "big brake" setup with 4 lug wheels and a 23mm master cylinder....hmmm. Not to mention the tasteless graphics- thank heavens they can be taken off with a hair dryer. Money does not equal class...

Posted by: dlkawashima Aug 31 2015, 10:23 AM

and engine bay by Medusa ...

Posted by: LeftCoastErik Aug 31 2015, 10:25 AM

It's got the NOS, bro. Two bottles....the big ones

Posted by: Root_Werks Aug 31 2015, 10:51 AM

Original 914-6, not much stock about it when this picture was taken.


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Posted by: jkb944t Aug 31 2015, 10:57 AM

My 914 is such an outlaw that it is hiding out on a rotisserie until it is safe to come out of hiding.



Hopefully it goes to media blasting in the next few weeks and then to the painter to further disguise it’s true outlaw identity!

Jeff B

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Aug 31 2015, 12:16 PM

..........the number of louvers could be one of the ways to possibly know you just had an 'outlaw' sighting.........

Posted by: matthepcat Aug 31 2015, 12:42 PM

^^ Love that car ^^ I would rock it on the street with a wing delete.

Posted by: Tedman5 Sep 1 2015, 01:46 AM

My def of outlaw is the drivers mentality and image the car gives when viewed, and what configuration the car is. Does he/she drive without regard to law or road condtions, is it street legal, and does the car represent someone who might be an outlaw? For example, exhaust and noise levels, illegal parts, etc.
My car has a number of non factory parts that are considered illegal but under the antique tagging in my state I am not subject to state inspection so in essence can do what I want unless Johnny Law is a ball buster and actually stops me to look it over. And then the question is what is this LEO's knowledge of what was factory designated. So Outlaw is whatever is illegal and whether one is regarding the law.

Posted by: mgp4591 Sep 1 2015, 02:30 AM

I believe we're talking about the cars being individualized to the owners tastes and involving many different parts, i.e. engine swaps of all types, transmissions, brakes and suspensions, etc. No one here wants anything that will endanger the driver or passenger including driving and acting like an outlaw. I believe we want to stay within legal parameters for the most part because it's no fun driving a car that's gonna get pulled over constantly for equipment violations, not to mention dangerous driving habits that gets you put away and not driving your car- that's what building these things is all about, Driving! Anyone acting like an ass behind the wheel is someone who will likely get shitcanned from the group for obvious reasons and no one here wants any troublemakers. That's all jr. high school bullshit that hopefully has been outgrown...
Love the car by the way- nice work!

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Posted by: nein14 Sep 1 2015, 06:22 AM

Here's mine you can't turbo a 914

Posted by: JmuRiz Sep 1 2015, 08:10 AM

Please outlaw this car (that's what we mean by outlaw right?)
https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/309650


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Posted by: whitetwinturbo Sep 1 2015, 09:37 AM

.................so are you saying the food processor on this one could draw the wrong attention from peace officers?

Posted by: BIGKAT_83 Sep 1 2015, 12:11 PM

Front bumper is at the platers . Ls/ boxster transaxle
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Posted by: Cracker Sep 1 2015, 12:21 PM

Beautiful car Bob!

Tony

Posted by: 76-914 Sep 1 2015, 12:51 PM

very nice, Bob. More pic's.

Posted by: euro911 Sep 1 2015, 01:29 PM

It looks like it was 'water-cooled' for that shot

Posted by: 1stworks Sep 2 2015, 08:34 AM

Really nice!
Love the mismatched wheels.

Let's see some more.

Posted by: Cracker Sep 2 2015, 10:12 AM

Ok. I'll through mine out there too...I enjoy seeing all the iterations (a 914 can be taken)! These are steel flares with a little custom "design flare" to boot. I am still fabricating
so please forgive the incomplete look(s)...

Paying "homage" to the original...last picture! ;-)

Posted by: LeftCoastErik Sep 2 2015, 10:15 AM

Cracker, that is badass!

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Posted by: Cracker Sep 2 2015, 10:35 AM

Very nice looking car John...allot of thought, money and time obviously went into your build. I really like your "Porsche GT" shift knob!!! Enjoy every mile!

Thanks Erik for your compliment as well...another 6-weeks and it should be ready to roll (on its own power)!

Tony

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Sep 2 2015, 11:59 AM

.......

1] Where did you source those rear exhaust exit bezels?

2] What kind of attachment is shown holding rear spoiler?

Those rear custom flares scream COBRA

Posted by: nein14 Sep 2 2015, 12:03 PM

Thanks Tony

Posted by: SKL1 Sep 2 2015, 12:31 PM

Did this on my '73- car will live in AZ and figured it would help, plus I like the "look."

Posted by: Cracker Sep 2 2015, 12:39 PM

1] Where did you source those rear exhaust exit bezels?
A) We machined them from scratch to fit into that panel. I wanted to "buy" a set but absolutely couldn't find what I wanted off the shelf.

2] What kind of attachment is shown holding rear spoiler?
A) It is actually a glass spoiler with stainelss screws with bezels on the base. We like it too... ;-)

3) Those rear custom flares scream COBRA
A) I never even thought about that - here is my old Cobra (15 years ago) - they can make for awesome hot-rods! I'll share them because of the "outlaw" theme and your comment! Hope its alright...

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Sep 2 2015, 01:00 PM

OUTLAW ALERT

Love to buy a set of bezels from you...........still got the spec to reproduce?

Posted by: BIGKAT_83 Sep 2 2015, 04:37 PM

Tony show them some more pictures. This thing is the best V8 car out there.
Lets see the shifter, dash and steering shaft.
Makes me want to throw rocks at my car


Bob

Posted by: Cracker Sep 2 2015, 05:53 PM

Bob,

Thank you Sir...your car is beautiful and a much, much, much better street car - not even close.

I posted THOSE pictures in the thread called "Warning: 1201+ word..." in the Garage.

I should be rolling with power somewhat shortly. Good to hear from you - I'll call you soon.

Tony

Posted by: mskala Sep 2 2015, 06:27 PM

It is an outlaw if it has 7.5" wide wheels (3-piece) on a narrow body?

Posted by: euro911 Sep 2 2015, 06:37 PM

I think most of the members here appreciate a variety of classic automobile marques.

I recently visited Mike McCluskey's shop down here ... he's still manufacturing aluminum-bodied Cobras ... http://www.mccluskeyltd.com/index2.html

Posted by: euro911 Sep 2 2015, 06:57 PM

Which 1/2 in AZ? ... winter? We'll be a 'few' miles up the road roughly 1/2 the year, but in multiple spurts

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Sep 2 2015, 07:10 PM

Can't be a total outlaw if it has a groove or two as tire treads

Posted by: 76-914 Sep 3 2015, 08:34 AM

I dunno. Looking thru this thread I can't help but notice that only 4 of the pictured cars had a Hood Badge. Apparently the rest do not. Hmmmm.

Posted by: SKL1 Sep 3 2015, 08:52 AM

both of mine have hood badges... was first "mod" I did on the '71. Was VERY paranoid drilling holes in the hood however...

Had to- back then some of the 911 crowd didn't even want them in the PCA! I loved beating those guys in autocrosses back in the day!

Posted by: naro914 Sep 3 2015, 09:09 AM

Hood badge = outlaw? LOL
so since both of mine do, are they outlaws then?

Posted by: dflesburg Sep 3 2015, 09:15 AM

This car is mine and it will beat you and leave you sweaty and wore out... but wanting to do it again.




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Posted by: 76-914 Sep 3 2015, 09:19 AM

Uhh no, other way. Outlaw = 0 Hood Badge.

Posted by: naro914 Sep 3 2015, 09:40 AM

Meaning that just about every 914 is an outlaw?

Posted by: iamchappy Sep 3 2015, 11:03 AM

When i think outlaw i think more in the lines of matte black paint with everything all the same color but here is mine anyway..


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Posted by: whitetwinturbo Sep 3 2015, 11:13 AM

..........anything with wild ass front holes, stainless supports and other wingie thingies is an OUTLAW

Posted by: naro914 Sep 3 2015, 11:42 AM

Wingie thingies???


Nope, not an outlaw...it has a hood badge.

Posted by: stuwentzel Sep 3 2015, 11:47 AM

Added 911 Carerra front suspension, turbo tie rods, rear 911 calipers and rotors, adjustable rear coil springs, 5 bolt lug pattern, 915 transaxle with Turbo axle shafts.

A real sleeper on the road and a BLAST to drive on the windy mountain roads in Northern California.

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Sep 3 2015, 11:58 AM

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Sep 3 2015, 11:59 AM

Here's an OUTLAW:

https://youtu.be/kAbpHVoaS5s

Posted by: Andyrew Sep 3 2015, 01:43 PM

If thats the case, here is my car back when it was an "outlaw"

Posted by: v82go Sep 3 2015, 03:03 PM

and mine, almost a outlaw

LS6 (a bit warmed over, headers,cam,big injectors,etc.)
rear fenders pulled for 7" wheels
GT3 style seats



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Posted by: lonewolfe Sep 3 2015, 05:37 PM

Your car is badass!!! I'd love to see some side pictures. I now you're running 7" wide wheels but are they 15" or 16" and what size tires?

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Sep 3 2015, 07:05 PM

.......giant holes sucking in small animals into the front trunk are WAY outlaw

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Posted by: Cracker Sep 4 2015, 07:22 AM

Those are ALL good but confused by the white car...even the body kit looks good, for once (and the grill). Hmm? Nah!

T.H.

Posted by: mbseto Sep 4 2015, 07:44 AM

What the heck is that? Any advantage to chopping the nose like that except less weight?

Posted by: Cracker Sep 4 2015, 08:01 AM

It looks like Porsche copied that 914 design...who knew!

Posted by: carr914 Sep 4 2015, 08:50 AM

I think they started to build a 904, decided it wasn't going to work and then decided to make it a DP car!

Posted by: carr914 Sep 4 2015, 08:52 AM

How about a 12 Cylinder 914? 6 in the front & 6 in the back!

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Posted by: whitetwinturbo Sep 4 2015, 06:23 PM

..........wing envy?

Posted by: dug Sep 7 2015, 04:18 AM

Beautiful color. Not super outlaw, but love it!




Oh shiiiiT I almost died laughing just now!!!!

Posted by: RJMII Sep 8 2015, 10:56 PM

Is this outlaw enough?
sneak peek:

550hp 4g63T w/boxster S six speed... car was already set up for it. :-D Engine was already built for 1000hp... limitations are *not* internal.


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Posted by: RJMII Sep 8 2015, 11:00 PM

from passenger side


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Posted by: JRust Sep 8 2015, 11:04 PM

You are Nuckin Futs Jim! I like it

Posted by: phillstek Sep 9 2015, 02:02 AM

How about this one?


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Posted by: phillstek Sep 9 2015, 03:45 AM

Indeed.

Another. I’m not sure what all the rivets do and it looks like it has a pop-up rear wing that may well use some headlight motors to raise it!

This one is growing on me though. It sort of looks like a Lancia. I’d put some gold Campas on it.


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Posted by: madmax914 Sep 9 2015, 09:00 AM

What is up with these ugly cars from Oregon?

Posted by: 76-914 Sep 9 2015, 09:03 AM

If this trend continues, I think we are going to need a "914 Carnage" thread.

Posted by: euro911 Sep 9 2015, 11:13 AM

It rains a lot up there ... water on the brain?

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Sep 9 2015, 11:18 AM

Oh, you want CARNAGE?

http://www.chromjuwelen.com/en/component/content/article/201/28797-porsche-911-porsche-914-ls1-corvette-v8-engine-swap.html

Posted by: Mike Bellis Sep 9 2015, 06:09 PM

Here is the real (american) web site.
http://toy-jet.com/

Posted by: Larmo63 Sep 9 2015, 06:14 PM

Most 914s in Oregon actually look like those.

Posted by: LeftCoastErik Sep 9 2015, 06:37 PM

So much wrong in that brown LS1 pic. Dear god. And I am a fan of LSing everything.

Posted by: Mike Bellis Sep 9 2015, 06:41 PM

Might be the ugliest starting point ever.

Posted by: LeftCoastErik Sep 9 2015, 07:42 PM

Plus. Who would want a turd brown 914? ;-)

Posted by: carr914 Sep 9 2015, 07:47 PM

He was a Member here for a Short time - he seemed enthusiastic, but he was rediculed constantly and left. We do this too often

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Sep 9 2015, 08:00 PM

Oh, you want UGLY outlaw?

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Sep 9 2015, 08:06 PM

Yeah Eric....who, who, who, who let the WAY cool coppertone 914 crazies out?

Posted by: LeftCoastErik Sep 9 2015, 10:22 PM

Rofl

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Sep 9 2015, 11:17 PM

Harald von K's POC turbo racer extraordinaire.
Originally a Kremer built gt made for European competition.
Harald got a hold of it in the late '70s, put mostly AIR fiberglass on it, a 2.4mfi, single turbo, Kenworth intercooler + 915 gearbox.
Good enough for 175+ on the back straight of Riverside, I had some of his flaming scorch marks left on my front bumper
It has since been de-outlawed and put back into its original Kremer livery.

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Sep 9 2015, 11:19 PM

Harald's rocket outlaw 914

Posted by: mgp4591 Sep 10 2015, 03:05 AM

I don't know if I'd want an ugly outlaw over an ugly in-law... at least you can drive and ugly outlaw- if you want to stay married, you just have to accept the ugly in-law!

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Sep 10 2015, 11:38 AM

Group 5 or Outlaw?




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Posted by: Millerwelds Sep 15 2015, 05:00 PM

I say we change it up. It should be "914 Inlaws"

This group is a perfect example of Inlaws all the way around. Give each other shit, try to scare the new guy till he leaves, tell each other what they can or can't or should / should not do with their projects. Show up on the 914 holidays / gatherings and make asses out of ourselves. Band together to save those in need, donate time and parts to deserving causes....

Good, bad, ugly and everything in between. So there you have it.

Someone design and sell badges on the cheap so we can all roll with them. Everyone here is a member.

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Sep 15 2015, 05:18 PM

This outlaw should scare the inlaw away.........

Posted by: dangerranger01 Sep 15 2015, 06:06 PM

I don't know, but these are outlaw fender flares for sure...

Posted by: euro911 Sep 15 2015, 06:16 PM

Looks like a contestant in tractor races

Posted by: poorsche914 Sep 15 2015, 06:23 PM

This outlaw constantly won FTOD at local autocrosses for several years!

Posted by: carr914 Sep 15 2015, 06:54 PM

That at one time had a 962 engine in it

Posted by: earossi Sep 15 2015, 08:44 PM

I never thought of my car as an outlaw......but, in reality, it is not a stock car either.

My objective in doing the project was to maintain somewhat of a "stock" look to the car, while doing things that would improve the performance and fun of the car.

To start the project required a search for a restorable 914. The car I selected was a 1976 model that had spent much of its life in California and ended up in Idaho Falls, Idaho. Dry, high desert country. So, though it had some rust (what 914 does not!), it was minimal. None of it was structural. So, the longs, floor pans, and trunk floors were serviceable. The battery tray did require replacement, and there was some minor rust, but very little in comparison to what I have seen here in the East.

And, there is no evidence of any accident repairs to the car.

I had much of the restoration done in Salt Lake City. I did not want to spend a huge amount, but ended up with about $18k in the car (which did not include the conversion to a 3.2/6 later in the project). For that amount, I ended up with a car that was disassembled for paint. The paint job is not concours quality (for which I did not want to pay). I would call the paint a good 5 foot car quality. Not perfect, but since the car was going to be a driver.....why spend $7k or so on a concours quality paint job to get it chipped as soon as you take it on the freeway!

I also had the interior done, but again, there was not any effort made to duplicate original. The color scheme chosen was also not stock: Estoril Blue with a Coral Red interior (think BMW M3).

But, suspension and power plant were areas that received the changes.

So, the car was modded as follows:

- Brad Mayeur (914Ltd) longitudinal stiffeners
- 911 Front Suspension
- 5-stud hubs
- Boxster front brake calipers (Rich Johnson)
- Adjustable Koni Sport shocks
- Trailing arm stiffeners (PMB design)
- 21mm torsion bars
- Elephant Racing rubber bushings
- 911 3.2 injected engine (not included in stated costs!)
- 916 steel flares
- 6 and 7 inch 16" Fuchs wheels
- Back dated chrome bumpers
- Aft mounted auxiliary oil cooler with electric fan assist
- 19mm master cylinder
- All suspension bushings were replaced with rubber

Posted by: r_towle Sep 15 2015, 08:56 PM

I want that car.
Is it for sale of long gone?

Posted by: lonewolfe Sep 15 2015, 09:20 PM

Your car looks great! I love the color! Is that an original Porsche color?

Posted by: earossi Sep 15 2015, 09:31 PM

No, the color is a BMW color. Its a dark blue metallic with a slightly purple tinge to it. The BMW color code is B45.

Posted by: dangerranger01 Sep 15 2015, 09:57 PM

Wait really or are you trolling? It was a road race car if I remember right, back in the 80s. Looks like it was extended by an extra door...and I recall it being center seat....

Posted by: mgp4591 Sep 16 2015, 01:44 AM

I remember watching your car being worked on (and I helped hold a few things in place while work was being done!) and I agree that it doesn't come off as an "outlaw" because it resembles many others in the changes that were made, but those individual touches do fall into an outlaw theme- it's what you wanted and the upgrades improved the overall performance and the look of the car is unconventional with the red interior which is better seen than described! It took alot of attention to detail and the car comes off great, really an eye popper! That's what brings this question to mind- Does it have to look outlaw to be outlaw? Some here are obviously built to insult the PCA crowd and others look tame but will bite your ass if you turn your back. So the question comes up again- what is needed to determine your car to be an "outlaw"... and does anyone really care?

Posted by: maf914 Sep 16 2015, 06:19 AM

Hey Paul, Someone stole your air scoop!

Posted by: MJHanna Sep 16 2015, 06:58 AM

I’ve being reading this thread and have held back on saying much but an outlaw to me still has to be a street car. That is it has to have a license and is run on the street. Race cars are race cars and there are a lot of configurations and some wild things done to 914s for the sake of going faster within whatever rules the car has to comply with to run with that series. I keep thinking my 914 was an “outlaw” but after playing with it and just looking at it the last several weeks, it just is not. It falls into the “sleeper” category and I can live with that. I did what I wanted to do to it and all the things I changed make the car “my version” of a killer combination. You have to look close at mine to understand all the changes. If it was an outlaw you would not have to look close, it would scream from 10 feet. That’s the best way I can define what an outlaw is to me.

Posted by: madmax914 Sep 16 2015, 09:33 AM

Somewhere in your statement is the definition of a 914 "Outlaw".

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Sep 16 2015, 11:28 AM

I say slap a license on this one and go all OUTLAW

Posted by: ssuperflyoldguy Dec 2 2015, 01:32 AM

mmmm - Outlaw says something a little vintage, lowered, acceptable vintage wheels, performance modifications but kinda vintage go fast at first glance, not too shiny, primer helps, cool exhaust note, soot around it. What's German for moonshine runner? - but I think until Magnus builds one, we won't really know.
My take:
I like GT flares, not Outlaw however- can't show a pic yet as I don't have it in my driveway yet but soon...
Fattest tire pushing limit's of stock (or at least appearing stock) contributes to Outlaw
Patina Fuchs, Outlaw
Full polished Fuchs, not Outlaw
really nice stock lugnuts, not Outlaw
Extended wheel studs, Outlaw
drilled out stuff, Outlaw,
color matched mirrors, not Outlaw,
polished stock old school chrome, Outlaw
Leaving the old chrome, Outlaw
Shaving door handles, not Outlaw because they are Chrome.
Picard, not Outlaw
Kirk, seriously?
Taking out the trash, not Outlaw
Taking out the trash and stopping to look at your Outlaw, Outlaw
Slammed, Outlaw
reg ride height, not outlaw (unless rallied recently - see unwashed below)
Go fast stickers or real #'s, Outlaw
unwashed, Outlaw
Monster Energy Stickers, not Outlaw unless they paid you to pimp them around...
Bride seats, not Outlaw
Empty pill bottle of crosstops, Outlaw (very Kowalski)
If you know who Kowalski is, you get Outlaw street Cred even if you drive a GeoMetro
OE800 or King Cobra, Outlaw
Going wine tasting in your Outlaw, not Outlaw
Going on a tach-check thru wine country, Outlaw
Drinking and driving, stupid
mismatched Recaros, Outlaw
missing unessential bodywork or parts, Outlaw
switching to chrome bumpers, Outlaw
modern paint colors, Not Outlaw
Slick engine swaps, not Outlaw
effective but not so slick engine swap, Outlaw
Carbuerated 6 cyl anything, Outlaw
Vintage speed stuff on engine, Outlaw
modern Fuel injection, not Outlaw unless you built it and can tune it.
completely buffed out & modified OEM FI, Outlaw
big weber's, Outlaw
ICT's, subtract Outlaw status points
Big modern stereo with Nav screen & iphone holder, not Outlaw
Blaupunk radio, Outlaw
Hole in dash where radio was, Outlaw
Trying too hard, not Outlaw
flashing your lights to move someone out of the way, Outlaw
quiet exhaust, not Outlaw
Steel wheels, not Outlaw (except mine all dated 6/66 - true)
Widened steelies, Outlaw
Slick fuel cap in ctr of hood, not Outlaw in my book
Slick fuel cap in driver's side of hood, Outlaw
Can-openered hole in hood to get to fuel cap, Outlaw
Flip open fuel cap stolen from a classic Mini, Outlaw.
a combination of at least half of these may make your teener an Outlaw
If you have to ask, not an Outlaw...

Don't mind the spelling, bedtime and my first 914World post.

Posted by: thieuster Dec 2 2015, 05:29 AM

And a great first posting.

Off course, we want to see pics. 'Pics or it didn't happen' is the expression, I think

Menno

Posted by: MJHanna Dec 2 2015, 07:03 AM

ssuperflyoldguy, Nice list but some of your list can lead to a sleeper rather than an outlaw: such as your engine requirements: this engine meets your def of an outlaw but you will never know it..... but I will


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Posted by: DBCooper Dec 2 2015, 08:23 AM

Outlaw means no rules. If you have to look up the rules for what's outlaw and what's not there's a pretty fair chance your car is not outlaw.

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Posted by: 1stworks Dec 2 2015, 08:29 AM

outlaw....

Posted by: sb914 Dec 2 2015, 08:33 AM

Outlaw 911

Posted by: JPIII Dec 2 2015, 09:25 AM

Nuff said

Posted by: 914forme Dec 2 2015, 10:03 AM

Welcome to 914 world ssuperflyoldguy, but according to your list outlaws need to have chrome to be an outlaw. Thats not on my list.
Nice reference to vanishing point BTW

To me an outlaw is an outlaw, by being devoid of anything that does not provide the car the ability to "go" better than the factory intended. How you get there is your choice, if people think your crazy, that is a big plus in my book. And being well engineered is a bigger plus.

Chrome is a personal preference, but if it weighs more than the non chromed part, it is getting chucked from my build.

Only time I will add weight to a car is if it meets a personal need. So steel roof, yes, lack of needing a roll bar, that just saved me 45 pounds. Adding A/c to make a cross country drive, to do a one-lap race, and do it in comfort because I know I am doing it for the experience, and not to win the event. I'll add the A/C, I'll also add the trailer hitch, as I can't have a support vehicle or be towed around the one-lap events. Radio, because driving across country in the middle of Kansas you need something more than conversation while your co-pilot catches some shut eye. Finding the latest solutions I can that meets the needs of the car and the event it is being built for, heck yes. So things like wiper motor weight are things I look at. you can save over 2 pounds my updating your wiper motor.

I'll add weight to re-enforce suspension points, I will drill a hole in something, or remove it if it does not need to be there or has no function in my world. E-brake has function, fog lights have function, driving lights, will be removable, as I do race a few night events, and its is good to see, and be seen. Cell phone holder, and bluetooth connectivity, yes, I am getting soft, but then I am on call 24x7, and sometimes people need you to do what you do best.

Build your car they way you want, if it is done well. I'll most likely appreciate it. But if you hate my car because I removed trim, added a steel roof, run A/C, have a radio, a fire system, and a stock gas tank, so be it. I'll let you do what you do, and I'll do what I do.

Cars should be like fine art, push the limits when released and become classic once it has aged. I like punk rock, but I now hear the Ramones in the elevator on the Vegas strip. Nothing says I lost my edge like being played in an elevator.

Posted by: euro911 Dec 2 2015, 12:22 PM

If I drive mine after the tags expire, it's an outlaw

Posted by: DBCooper Dec 2 2015, 02:09 PM

I think it's interesting that this thread has 16 pages and it's apparent everyone has a slightly different definition. We've all SEEN outlaw cars and WE know what that means, but the next guy has a slightly different idea. I suspect that for the concours guys all the rest of us are outlaws (and worse) while at the way other end of the spectrum the highly modified race guys think everyone who hasn't unbolted and tossed every trim piece lacks commitment and is slow. Somewhere in between are the outlaws, but none of the rest of us can agree exactly where. No matter, I guess, if there were actual rules for "outlaws" how could you follow them and still call yourself an "outlaw"?

Posted by: raynekat Dec 2 2015, 07:07 PM

That is definitely an outlaw 914.
JP, I haven't seen Britain's (your ex) car in many moons.
It sure has morphed since the good ole days when you let me take it for an auto-x run every so often.
Wow!

Posted by: Mike Bellis Dec 2 2015, 07:19 PM

What a long list...

Outlaw is anything you want, especially if 911 & 356 owners don't like it...

Posted by: JPIII Dec 2 2015, 08:36 PM

Brit has changed the shibox so much that the Porsche bits are now in a minority.....some of the body works and the 930 trans are among the few Porsche bits left.
Tis hella fast tho.............As for being an outlaw, it'll duffer now.

The Raynecat has me at a disadvantage by not using his real name....but howdy nohow.

Posted by: Coondog Dec 2 2015, 09:42 PM

Now that was FUNNY..........

Posted by: lonewolfe Dec 3 2015, 01:00 AM

Here are the RS Tail Lights that Patrick Motorsport sells. You loose your backup lights with these.

Posted by: mgp4591 Dec 3 2015, 02:58 AM

What a long list...

Outlaw is anything you want, especially if 911 & 356 owners don't like it...
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In that case Mike, every 914 on the grass at the 356 event we were invited to at the last WCR is an outlaw. I was standing next to the featured 356 on the hill and overheard one of the lifted pinky guys say "Can you believe all these 914s? What a crock..." as he sneered at our display. Their club was very generous in welcoming us to the park but there was one guy who was clearly dismayed... in his mind we were clearly all NARPed out! Made me feel good!

Posted by: 396 Dec 3 2015, 09:39 AM

One of the best looking 914 4 / 6 that I've seen. Congrats.

Posted by: spaceshuttle Dec 3 2015, 04:56 PM

Does this work?

Posted by: DirtyCossack Dec 3 2015, 08:14 PM

If outlawing were outlawed, only outlaws would outlaw.

Posted by: r_towle Dec 3 2015, 08:35 PM

I want it.
Do you know where it is?

Posted by: euro911 Dec 3 2015, 08:53 PM

Maybe you could start by calling WHERE2RACE and/or Tire Rack? ... looks like they were the two biggest sponsors ...

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Dec 3 2015, 10:18 PM

Ok, so if we outlaw outlaws only outlaws would have outlaws......

Posted by: Mueller Dec 3 2015, 10:44 PM

That is Brittons car, he owns Where2Race.com and has a build of that car on here on the 914world.

Subaru powered with Lotus suspension

Posted by: infraredcalvin Dec 3 2015, 10:46 PM

This is a great line!!! I do this all the time with my outlaw... in progress... on jackstands... ok, I'll go home...

Posted by: JPIII Dec 4 2015, 10:37 AM

Britain@BritianSmith.com. Dunno if it's for sale, but you can ask.

Posted by: dangerranger01 Dec 5 2015, 04:49 PM

It even has center seating for the ultimate outlaw...

http://s718.photobucket.com/user/dangerranger01/media/11136642_10206747182137628_2260529659486297686_n.jpg.html

Posted by: ssuperflyoldguy Dec 5 2015, 05:24 PM

Ambushing Magnus Walker to take a picture w your son. Not Outlaw
Your son quickly hiding his Alonzo Ferrari hat before Magnus noticed. Outlaw


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Posted by: Maltese Falcon Dec 11 2015, 11:39 AM

Fred's car: Plain + simple, original outlaw

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Dec 11 2015, 12:16 PM

Here's a hoon outlaw .....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252202639775?rmvSB=true

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Posted by: Andyrew Dec 11 2015, 12:34 PM

Would be really cool to put that and the RSH 914 together for another photoshoot/article.

Posted by: oakdalecurtis Dec 11 2015, 02:38 PM

Here's my '76 Cal legal teener, gets a lot of looks and comments.....[attachmentid=531131]

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Dec 11 2015, 02:45 PM

Here is Simpson's "Outlaw-Sleeper" wife's car 4 sale.....

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-porsche-914-v8/

Posted by: matthepcat Dec 12 2015, 12:03 AM

I would drive it. Show up to PCA events to watch the shaking heads.

Posted by: VegasRacer Dec 12 2015, 01:28 AM

What about the 914 from the original build? Anybody know this car?

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Dec 13 2015, 10:54 AM

............. so if I owned this I would BACK it in for the full effect........

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Dec 16 2015, 01:58 PM

...........more outlaw madness:



not mine:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/272075740399?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Posted by: lonewolfe Dec 16 2015, 02:05 PM

Quite a boondocker!

Posted by: Gmanscott55 Feb 23 2016, 07:31 AM

New Ride .. Custom build. 2.0 liter Subaru WRX turbo conversion, steel GT flares, 911 S front suspension, 2 year restoration with no expense spared.[attachmentid=542484] [attachmentid=542484][attachmentid=542484]

Posted by: Coondog Feb 23 2016, 07:59 AM

Wow!!! more like one Bad Ass ride to me.......

Posted by: maf914 Feb 23 2016, 08:05 AM

Gmanscott55,

Great looking car! Where did that front spoiler come from? Bought or custom? Thanks.

Posted by: sb914 Feb 23 2016, 08:16 AM

Nice car, looks familiar. Was it for sale in here the world ? I live a half mile from you in seal beach and Jim Hoyland lives in sunset beach. Sea you around!

Posted by: veekry9 Feb 23 2016, 08:30 AM

Yeah,it works for me too.
The nose cones are what sets it off somehow,the blackout wheel finish complementing the overall two-tone.
The paint appears to have a metallic pearl sheen to it,from what I can see in the reflection off the front flare.
The bright lime leaps out,almost a Day-Glo pop to it.Looks to be a perfect California applique.

Posted by: Gmanscott55 Feb 23 2016, 08:36 AM

I believe it was for sale on and off for some time. On front spoiler question, previous owner had all paint and body done at AZ Street Customs in Phoenix so they may know. Build done by Precision Chassis Works in Phoenix. I will bring car to Peter's Landing in Sunset Beach this Sunday for you local folks to have a look.

Posted by: Mueller Feb 23 2016, 08:50 AM

Welcome to the madness....that is one DAMN fine looking car, I've drooled over it on more than one occasion when it would pop up for sale.


I'd love to see it in person one of these days! I promise to wear a bib!

Posted by: Gmanscott55 Feb 23 2016, 08:58 AM

Thanks all..Porsche purist may take issue,but it is a modern twist on a beautiful bodied car IMO. I will post up a link to build pics soon.

Posted by: two914-6s Feb 23 2016, 09:35 AM

An S spec 2.0 built by TLG
I put meatballs on the side, there good for 10 hp each

Posted by: Chris H. Feb 23 2016, 09:55 AM

That's a top notch build. Hard to find a conversion nicer than that one.

Posted by: Marv's3.6six Feb 23 2016, 10:53 AM

Wow thats a nice car, similar thinking here, similar looking in execution, similar picture location Huntington Harbor also..... except mine is a big 6.


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Posted by: 1stworks Feb 23 2016, 12:12 PM

LS x 6 speed

So I've been running 76.5 tps I was able to get it to 99%...
Scary fast...

Outlaw narrow body

Posted by: mgp4591 Feb 23 2016, 12:24 PM

I saw some notes on your conversion and now it's faster than when I rode with you in Moab! How's it doing with those teeny little brakes you've got?

Posted by: 1stworks Feb 23 2016, 12:41 PM

Lol in Moab it was a fast 914.
Now it's stupid fast,unreal fast,Crazy fast lol
I tripled my hp


Brakes are good and still lock up on 15x7 with sticky rubber.
Probably over heat them on the track will see.

The car is so fun to drive

Posted by: mgp4591 Feb 23 2016, 12:47 PM

Well then let's see some more detail on your build! I'd be interested in all the little details and stuff... I'll get back to working on mine when I heal a bit more. It's even better looking than before too- great job!

Posted by: 1stworks Feb 23 2016, 01:56 PM

Thanks,i did the build thread on Facebook.Porsche 914 Outlaw group.Look for my Car with hundreds piled on top of it lol.

Just finished the build late fall.All Renagade gear
Its all aluminum 5.3 LS.Ls1 flipped intake LS1 coils injectors factory ec u with
OBD 2 connection on cut harness.2004 used motor 80kish

2002 boxster S 6speed trans cable shift,custom shifter tower and stock used cables and shifter.

Custom axles,930 cv's.
Custom dual exhaust flow masters.

The car is amazing to drive and i wouldn't do anything
differently.
Hope to see ya rrc this year.

Posted by: Gmanscott55 Feb 23 2016, 05:13 PM

Wow.... exterior shot for the newbie .

Posted by: 1stworks Feb 23 2016, 07:15 PM

Posted by: Gmanscott55 Feb 24 2016, 08:23 AM

Beautiful clean look ... Where did you get the rear trunk spoiler from?

Posted by: Gmanscott55 Feb 24 2016, 08:28 AM

Beautiful car Marv! I will be down at Peters Landing in Sunset Beach Sunday about 8 Am. They have a mini C&C across from the Starbucks. Drop by as would love to see your car. Pm me I if you want.

Posted by: Marv's3.6six Feb 24 2016, 09:42 AM

Hi Gary, Did not know about mini C&C @ Peters Landing on Sundays. Unfortunately will not be attending as I have a surf trip planned this Sun AM.

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Feb 26 2016, 03:40 PM

Hi Gary,
Nice car. Is "mini" C&C @ the Starbucks?

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Feb 26 2016, 03:42 PM

........is there an "outlaw" group on Facebook...

does not show on their search bar

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Feb 26 2016, 03:44 PM

............and speaking of Outlaw how about one of our members:

Posted by: Gmanscott55 Feb 26 2016, 09:44 PM

Hi White TT... On other side in front of That's Amore Restaurant on Sunday AM. Anyway I will be there around 8.. Usually a small group of Porsches show up and some others. usually say 15 cars or so.

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Feb 26 2016, 10:53 PM

Got it.......

Posted by: Mike Bellis Feb 26 2016, 11:37 PM

https://www.facebook.com/groups/porsche914outlaw/