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Posted by: Mike1981 Sep 18 2015, 07:20 PM
Hello
Hoping for some advice.
I am considering buying this car
I asked for a shot of the longs without the rocker covers
The longs look good some slight surface rust.
However the jack-points have some rust and what looks like a crack.
How big of a job would this be to fix?
Would it be costly
Should I buy this car even with the rust on the jack-points?
I already agreed on a price verbally, the owner promised no rust on the longs
We exchanged emails agreeing to the price
Later I asked him for pics of the longs and to his surprise there was rust
Should I still buy it but ask for a lower price??
Added pics of both sides
Thanks for all of the responses, it really helps.
Passenger side is the worst...
Passenger 1-7
Drivers 1-5
Posted by: r_towle Sep 18 2015, 07:47 PM
Simple fix, and if you want one of these car you need to learn to weld anyways.
Posted by: billh1963 Sep 18 2015, 08:41 PM
That doesn't look too bad
Posted by: draganc Sep 18 2015, 08:47 PM
That's just the beginning, you will encounter more rust/work when you remove the top.
I guess the right side looks worse.
Find someone from the forum to inspect the car with/for you.
Posted by: bigkensteele Sep 18 2015, 09:29 PM
That is the drivers side. The passenger side is where the nightmares reside.
Posted by: Spoke Sep 18 2015, 09:45 PM
Find someone from the forum to inspect the car with/for you.
Posted by: RobW Sep 18 2015, 09:45 PM
Have a screwdriver handy... start poking the usual (car) places...
Posted by: rjames Sep 18 2015, 10:08 PM
Silver car resprayed red? Definitely look for signs of paint covering up possible issues.
I'm betting the rust on the jackpoint 'cover', a similar amount of rust on the longs behind it. It could be minor but warrants removing the jack cover, or at least cutting the bottom half off to see what's behind there. Make an offer with that work in mind.
Also look hard for rust
-in the hell hole (under battery)
-floor pan, especially behind the seats
-the longs inside the car
-suspension ears
-trunks
-around windshield
-trunks
-ah hell, the whole damn car. 
Post more pics!
Posted by: porschetub Sep 19 2015, 12:03 AM
Simple fix, and if you want one of these car you need to learn to weld anyways.
Not sure about that ,the drain hole in the jack receiver is blocked,inside will be toast.
Posted by: Mike1981 Sep 19 2015, 08:33 AM
Added New pictures
Passenger side is the worst off
If I do go forward with the purchase.. looking for some advice
We agreed on a price over the phone with the assurance there was no rust on the rockers
Afterwards I asked for a shot of the rockers without the cover on
Should I ask for a reduced price??
Thanks Everyone for the advice
Posted by: draganc Sep 19 2015, 09:56 AM
If you want a 1-2 year project, buy it.
If you want a driver, look for another car.
The rust you see is very typical and just the tip of the iceberg.
What's your budget and what's the agreed purchase price?
Posted by: mepstein Sep 19 2015, 10:06 AM
No rust on a mid west 914 
Posted by: TargaToy Sep 19 2015, 11:09 AM
That passenger side Long is really banged up a bit. The lower "shoulder" should run parallel with the bottom of the pinch weld flange if you look at it from the side. I'm seeing dents and bulges--possible road hazard stuff or jacking errors but they merit a closer look. Do some poking and make sure that's all metal and not some filler from a prior bad repair.
Posted by: Mike1981 Sep 19 2015, 11:12 AM
The car is currently in Northern California not Midwest
Agreed on price was 7900 before rust issues were discovered
Wondering why this would take 1-2 years
Do you feel the rust is throughout the car
Posted by: Mike1981 Sep 19 2015, 11:16 AM
Yes good catch
The car was in a fender bender with dents in the long but was repaired years ago
Getting pics of the rear floor pan and entire bottom
Posted by: BK911 Sep 19 2015, 11:28 AM
Doing that exact repair right now. Isn't too bad. Sheet metal was $15. Should take a weekend but I am not going full speed, and touching up some other areas, so probably two weekends.
Posted by: Mike1981 Sep 19 2015, 11:30 AM
Thanks for the positive encouragement
Posted by: Chris H. Sep 19 2015, 12:34 PM
Silver car resprayed red? Definitely look for signs of paint covering up possible issues.
I'm betting the rust on the jackpoint 'cover', a similar amount of rust on the longs behind it. It could be minor but warrants removing the jack cover, or at least cutting the bottom half off to see what's behind there. Make an offer with that work in mind.
Also look hard for rust
-in the hell hole (under battery)
-floor pan, especially behind the seats
-the longs inside the car
-suspension ears
-trunks
-around windshield
-trunks
-ah hell, the whole damn car.
Post more pics!
^^^ This.
Need to see some good pics of the battery tray, the area under it up to the firewall, and underside engine area and rear of the floor plans. It's worth it to take a good long look.
Posted by: rjames Sep 19 2015, 01:14 PM
Enough rust to warrant breaking out the welder for the longs (and likely other spots) AND a previous accident warrants an offer much less than $8k. I'd start at $4k, without knowing anything else, and depending on the condition of the engine, tranny and the rest of the car, that may be too high.
It'll cost a lot if you ever want to correct the bad paint job, too.
Given the limited info we have now, I'd pass on this one.
Posted by: Mike1981 Sep 21 2015, 11:46 AM
Good News about the jack points
The current owner repaired them for me what a great guy!
I think he did a great job
Thanks for everyone's constructive advice
Posted by: BK911 Sep 21 2015, 12:08 PM
On wow. Not the way I am doing mine!
IMO the jack plate is superficial, unless you use it.
Its the rocker behind that probably needs attention.
Looks sorta like lipstick on a pig.
Posted by: Mike1981 Sep 21 2015, 01:03 PM
On wow. Not the way I am doing mine!
IMO the jack plate is superficial, unless you use it.
Its the rocker behind that probably needs attention.
Looks sorta like lipstick on a pig.
I see your point
He did cut out the rusted area
The backside looked pretty good with no rust through
My plan is to use Eastwood green stuff internally for the entire rocker
then eastwood rust encapsulator on all exterior surfaces
Posted by: malcolm2 Sep 21 2015, 01:14 PM
I learned or should I say that I surmised, during my repair that the hole in the jack support is there to drain water. But what it does is let dirt and water in. Once the dirt is in and packed, the water is absorbed and starts the rust process from the inside.
So it should be on the maintenance list to take a punch and break up the dirt in the jack support once a year. You have either eliminated the access point for the dirt and water, or eliminated a way to get it out by welding a solid plate.
And maybe should drill a hole in your new plate and force the "rust mort" in there. Cause the rust was on the long side too.
I did a similar repair, but left the hole and used a similar product to rust mort. An inner channel spray paint from Eastwood on the inside.
(EDIT) I just realized that in your photo, you can barely see the hole I mentioned. It is on the bottom left of the "pyramid". This photo may be an item that will work on either side. Hole on the top too.
Posted by: Mike1981 Sep 21 2015, 01:27 PM
I learned or should I say that I surmised, during my repair that the hole in the jack support is there to drain water. But what it does is let dirt and water in. Once the dirt is in and packed, the water is absorbed and starts the rust process from the inside.
So it should be on the maintenance list to take a punch and break up the dirt in the jack support once a year. You have either eliminated the access point for the dirt and water, or eliminated a way to get it out by welding a solid plate.
And maybe should drill a hole in your new plate and force the "rust mort" in there. Cause the rust was on the long side too.
I did a similar repair, but left the hole and used a similar product to rust mort. An inner channel spray paint from Eastman on the inside.
(EDIT) I just realized that in your photo, you can barely see the hole I mentioned. It is on the bottom left of the "pyramid". This photo may be an item that will work on either side. Hole on the top too.
Hello MAlcom2
I did leave out a few pictures
That is probably why some folks are making negative statements
Sequence of repair:
1 Grind off all rust
2 Treat inner and outer pyramid with rust stop
3 cut out rust
4 weld new plate in
5 cover with undercoating
This was the exact procedure I was going to follow.
The only additional steps I see:
1 Fog inside main long and inner long with Eastwood green rust stop
2 Spray Eastwood Rust arrestor on bottom of longs and a few sections under the car
I do not see the issue here
Thanks for the constructive responses
Mike
Posted by: draganc Sep 21 2015, 03:25 PM
Congratulations!! You will have lots of fun with the car.....keep us posted.
Posted by: Chris H. Sep 21 2015, 04:14 PM
Do we get to see the rest of it or no 
?
Posted by: Mike1981 Oct 7 2015, 07:12 PM
sure
Do we get to see the rest of it or no
?Posted by: arsprod Oct 10 2015, 07:48 PM
Nice! Has less rust in the jack ports than mine and I'm guessing less than it's gonna have living in Detroit! Enjoy!
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