i have a 1975 914 roller and a a few ej22 engines and a couple of suby 5 spd transaxles
microsquirt with 8" harness $370
GM clt sensor 3/8 npt $17
GM iat sensor 3/8 npt $22
GM map sensor $75
3/8 npt tap $10
18x1.5 tap $12
18x1.5 bung for aem o2 sensor $4
AEM 30-4110 $165
Set of 6 Pcs Spark Plug Ignition Wire Lead For 2.8L VW Passat $30
VW bug Beetle golf oem 2.0 ignition coil pack assembly 032905106b $20
Subaru WRX OEM Crankshaft Timing Sprocket pn-13021AA141 $30
celica radiator 2 row - $170 (see post #2 and my v8 thread)
exhaust header - $35 ebay (see post #152) (decided to go with wrx oem stock header for compactness)
stainless fuel lines - $99 tangerine - 8mm supply and 8mm return
stopper drive pinion - made myself
stock 914 axles machined on one end - $150 Dutchman
tires - 185x50x15 - $300+-[/b]
engine cradle and trans hangars - mepstein $550 (see post #32)
mr2 shifter - $35 ebay
shift knob ebay $12 (see post #170)
front bumper grills - $35 dflesburg
stock style fuses - ebay $13
set of speed bleeders - $30 pelican
brake peddle switch - $24 pelican
ebrake handle assy with cable and equalizer - $56 bdstone914
lug bolts to roll car around my garage - free mark epstein
set of nice complete late model doors - $150 (thanks lorin, series9, rat rod charlie)
center section of fuse box - free mark epstein
a front steel bumper - free mark epstein
late model tach with single directional indicator - cabinetmaker $40 shipped : )
two pair front amber lens bought from 914rubber for both my cars.
https://weddleindustries.com/products/1000186/1001853 - flange $50 shipped type 1 to type 2/4
starter 23300AA560 - http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=303903
looking forward to...
good fuel mileage
modern fuel injection
modern 5spd transaxle - useable 1st gear for taking off from dead stop & in traffic
light weight car
big space in engine bay
running some low profile 15 inch tires on 5.5" wheels - maybe 185x50x15
reference materials and links...
vanagon related links...
pulling ej22 harness from subaru (Tim Seward) per tim 90 and 91 harnesses are same
be sure to watch all (busaru) segments
Subaru engine test stand (Jeff Robenolt)
this ebay radiator was mentioned by a member. the price is right, so it may be what i will use?
update 19dec2015: I recently put one in my v8 car using a&p mech's mounting style and it is working fine.
some sensor fake output info... from tonyakavw and scott914...
Okay, so I THINK I WILL NEED TO fake/simulate the following sensors depending on which Subaru donaor car I buy..
Fuel level sender (0.12 to 4.95 volts)
Fuel Temp sender (2.5 to 3.8 volts)
Fuel Tank Pressure sender (2.3 to 2.7 volts)
Rear O2 sensor signal (0 - 0.9 volts)
Neutral position sensor (+12 in neutral, 0 when in gear)
Rear O2 heater sensor signal (0-1.0 volts)
Power Steering oil pressure sender (open/close)
There may be one more, I'm still finalizing the wiring...
Most of these wil use small 10-turn potentiometers to set the desired signal voltage, but I may end up using real metal-film resistors in the end, as they are a bit more reliable.
Regardnig the sensor simulator, I won't be simulating the front O2 sensor. That is used by the ECU to run the enigne, whereas the second sensor is there just to verify the cat is working. Since I'm not going to be running a cat, I have to simulate the second sensor.
that looks like you are mising a few plugs, but i cant see it all very well. dont tape it up too much you will probably have to open it up once to fix something.
all the plugs i can think of are :
2 o2 plugs
3 for engine connection
fuel pump relay
purge and pressure switching solinoids ( 2 plugs )
connection to relay board
then loose wires are :
temp sensor if you go stock
then you need wires from the alt
Don't you have a v8?
Im pretty sure this is his other car. But yes he has a v8 car to.
i have a wife, 2 boys, and two 914s. that is about it BUT that is all i need
have we ever concluded whether or not this subaru spool ( pn - 498427100 )is a part that will work in our conversions?
I am sorry did you mention fuel mileage??? LOL jk man looking good!!
YES, yes i did. it will be my daily driver once complete.
When does the build start? Not a fan of acquisition threads, so much. Onward thru the Fog!
i'll try to blend ACQUISITION with ACTUAL BUILD photos and text.
my car needs some welding, but the rest will mostly be bolt in. nothing too fancy, that is for sure. super low dollar build. planning on frankenstein axles or have dutchman machine some.
actual unit as received
All those pieces and parts look familiar. What motor are you planning on using?
Dutchman has been recommended by bigkat_83 who is amazing resourceful and a phenominal fabricator.
as I understand it, not all conversions can use the same axle length but I have to recheck but I think bigkat had Dutchman machine stock 914 axles to work with his suby conversion. I think the cost is about $150 for the machining on one end. one end would retain the 914 cv spline, the other end would get a suby spline machined in, I believe.
you (and I) need to read every suby thread, I have several listed in my signature.
Sweet idea for the axles- I may just send my SVX axles and have the other end reworked for heavy duty Porsche cv joint ends. Which cvs are the strongest that match up with our rear hubs once they've been modified for 5 lug?
why I MUST HAVE a Subaru engine and trans
your conversion was epic - others can see it here.
mine will be primarily a bolt in affair. mine will only be of some interest to those that have my very limited skill set. sorry
thanks though regarding your comments related to axles.
I am trying to find anyone who is using a coldwater cradle and a 914 cv at wheel and suby cv at trans. cause we should all be in same boat.
OD of splined end of stock 914 axle is 1.066.
what i am confused about in sawtooth's machining drawing is that the end with all the measurements looks like the 914 end that should have remained untouched i thought. is the CV ID of a suby larger or smaller than the CV ID of a 914 stock cv. i assume smaller otherwise how else could a stock 914 axles be machined to accept a suby cv ????
Jim - if you or someone will tell me how to remove the Suby axles from cv's, you can have my axles for free.
once upon a time, i had a legacy parts car and removed an axle for poscharu, not sure they are all the same but there may be a pin thru the cv and thru the stub axle on the trans side. on the wheel side i think there is a big nut holding it to that side, not sure.
be sure the drain all fluid from trans before disconnecting it from engine, when you get to that point.
I'll probably cheat and have one of my mechs do it. They're young. I can own them with a cheeseburger.
finally got my 1975 back onto some wheels and tires, so I can roll it around. passenger side brakes were locked up, finally pushed it real hard a few times and now it rolls again. went to remount my fuse panel and noticed it had a cracked ear, so I need to replace it. reinstalled the rusty peddle cluster too. might bleed the brakes tomorrow. basically it is a roller that needs doors and a drivetrain.
giving the interior its first coat of rustoleum, from a can I had laying around. popped in both rear lenses, not in the best of shape. reinstalling headlights, they will be permanently up. off to ace to get some allen screws, somehow I lost 4 of them got the screws and got both headlights in, now to figure out how to fix them up solidly.
this car has some rust, need to weld in 3 patch panels, and longs ain't so pretty either.
how could i best protect these pin holed longs without welding new metal in ??
i'm thinking phospho, then rise, a primer, then a skin of bondo, then rustoleum.
or maybe just rustoleum primer, skim of bondo, then a coat of rustoleum paint.
my buddy - rat rod charlie - is on his way to daytona for bike week with his harley and his trailer. while he is down there, he is going to visit series9 for me and pick up a pair of late model ARIZONA doors from ablesnead whose car is at joe's shop
my head light question thread at this link... pics below.
decided that I will just put a delrin spacer here to keep headlights in UP position, permanently.
the idea is less demand on electrical system and less weight. and I always drive with headlights on anyway.
rcvd my ebay fuses and a knob for my V8 car.
new doors coming home today. guess i'll put white doors back on white car and my black car will get the NEW TO ME red doors. i know i saved some triangle door glass, hope i saved the caps that hold them in place? gonna stop by mepstein's shop to pick up a front bumper and a fuse box. slow progress is still progress
Jim,..how do U intend to run the water lines under car or thru the longs,..?? Frank
under - it is tried and true - but thru longs gives more ground clearance I suppose.
Jim I laugh every time I see the "pickup" in action. I'm so getting you ratchet straps for Christmas. (to increase the load dimension capability)
Wait now i want to make the red one onto a porcamino!!!!
Sorry the deep end comes quickly for those of us in the shallow end of the gene pool.
Just wanted to say I like that you use your car.
porcamino....it has a ring to it
And to think I just man handle doors in place, put them on my legs, with my wheelie stool, and then make up new words for all the frustration I cause myself.
thank god I had the hoist... no way could I have installed 4 doors without it... would have had to ask the wife for help/muscle
got the caps on, seems all years are the same.
I have some sort of radiator leak, its slow. will investigate this further.
bushings to keep headlights permanently up are in.
yesterday I picked up a fuse box section and a front bumper from mark Epstein (thanks mark!). my center fuse box section had a broken ear, so I replaced it today (one wire at a time). I put white fuses in all for now, but will replace with higher amp fuses as required asap. so far I can see I have, headlights low and high beams, marker lights, brake lights, wipers. I think I have a faulty horn relay?
I do not have my dash gauges in and am wondering if this could be stopping my directionals and hazards from functioning?
Save your old fuse panel in case you or someone else needs to harvest more metal clips in the future.
I do admire the way you make progress on your car.
Another edit - looking at your list, I have a couple more parts. I think the battery that came in the California car is almost new. Your welcome to it. I'm going to try one of the new super small, super light lithium batteries.
mark - that is awesome - I am so glad I got a kid that goes to school up in your area which requires me to pass by your shop every few weeks
I think I am short a few door hinge screws and a horn, gonna add these to my list.
just stripped down the bumper. i'll be returning these fog light grills to mark as one is perfect and the other has only one crack.
well, I still don't understand how you guys access the outer headlight cover screw? remove front marker lens?
well, my new spacers work ok
but I do need some clip nuts
gonna slap the guage cluster in today.
Pm me your address and I'll send down some clips
mark, how about I visit next week, I need to bring you the remaining fuse box parts and the fog light grills, anyway.
things you may have for me...
targa vertical trim
to all, while you may think you will be able to remember what screws go where, you won't, label every single screw/nut/bolt/washer
guess if I just remove lens, maybe I would have a lesser angle on screw driver to install this last screw?
Small bit and bit holder does the trick also, remove the turns signals
Or take a bit and put it the proper size socket, and put it in
I'm a tool whore so I am sure I can find about 10 different ways to do this with out taking out the turn signal buckets.
Hold the bit in a pair of vice grips
Hold the bit in your fingers
Hold the bit it a socket
Hold the bit in the tool shown above
Bit in the flex thing
Right angle screw driver
Goto autozone, have them replace your light bulb. Have your wife do this it works out better. Have her tell them she took the cover off thinking thats how the bulb got changed.
Drive it up to Mark's shop and ask to borrow the proper tool, and do it there.
Go to any tool store buy the proper tool, and promptly bring it back.
Get a 12" long 1/4" bit, drill a hole from the outside fender through everything that gets in your way to the screw. start the screw take a 12 inch long #2 philips screw driver and screw it in. Problem solved.
Sorry not trying to be an arse about it, just can't believe taking the turn signal bucket out is the favored way.
(( driver bit in fingers seems like a decent solution to me - thanks ))
so, got gauges mostly installed but have a few EXTRA wires
red/white with 2 small connectors on it
blk/yel - with 1 small connector on it
blue/green - with 1 small connector on it
and it seems I do not have enough metal light fixtures? calling mark
my recommendation is everyone should have a parts car rusting away in their back yard
since i have been getting my lights and guages reinstalled USING A BATTERY CHARGER to test, my buddy said that possibly my battery charger does not have enough power to make my flasher relay operate properly. so maybe i am premature thinking it is bad because it buzzes. i also have no dash lights, need to look into this further but i know i am missing a few bulb fixtures.
it turns out that my car has dash wiring for EGR and CAT.
thanks dave, jeff and ed.
tested my buddy's theory that my battery charger was not supplying enough power for my hazards/directional flasher to function properly. so I used jumper cables from my other car to my 1975, and sure enough, my hazards and blinkers work fine.
my lack of dash lights is probably a case of bad and missing bulbs. maybe some grounds missing too?
ok... I definitely have a short in the circuit protected by fuse #7, blowing fuses
did a loose bolt/wire check and found 3 nuts at bottom of my trans loose on my other car, oops, wrong thread, my bad.
got me some stuff from 914rubber
did a little something on my 75 today. got some speed nuts from home depot and put my headlight covers on. also moved my crappy turn light lenses from my 72 over to my 75 as well.
think i found my parts car, a lowly ej22 in need of love going to pick it up at 8pm. at worst it will get me a trans and a bunch of spare parts. engine needs something, not sure what yet. i've decided i wanted a non interference engine, thus 1990 to 1996.
^^That motor has a factory forged crank ^^
You can swap out the pistons for EJ22t versions or run run an EJ22d head to lower compression and then run a turbo.
Just for future reference:
i'm concerned. i knew the engine has some issue.. but in neutral, hand brake off, i can VERY BARELY push it by myself? is awd hard to push?
i'd like to get this engine and trans running and into my car but worse case scenario, i got a bunch of spare parts. and i get to get familiar with the subaru ej22 bits and all.
What year is the subaru? I used a 1996 ej22. I found out that that was the first year for OBD2 support. The 96 has a few issues that the latter years don't. For example...
The wire harness is different than a pre 96 and a post 96.
The Speed sensor is in the speedometer head . Not on the transmission.
Speedometer is cable driven.
Not really a big deal and we are happy with our conversion. My son has been driving every day to high school for about a year now and so far no problems.
We even put the radiator in the engine bay and the air scoop is still intact, runs about 190 all the time.
1990 subaru legacy awd.. must have been sitting for a while and battery is dead.. trying to charge it now.. basically i locked myself into an ej22.. had to do it because eg33 kept calling my name but i want an, as empty as possible, engine bay
thanks for that info about 1996, as i have been looking at one of those too. so basically i am mostly interested in 1990 to 1995 it seems.
we just pushed it into a parking space and the whole time i can hear a brake dragging.
put some gas in the car, hooked jumper cables to my other 914, and it started right up, but, it shook like crazy, when i applied gas it either stalled out or smoothed out some. got to check for codes.
No the car in that clip is a 4 cylinder turbo car. Not mine. There's a GTO video with similar results.
Jim, what did the PO say was wrong with the car? Anything specific?
all he said was that he stopped running it cause he thought it was about to seize. he also said there was a problem with a cylinder. I do not think he knew, all I know is battery is dead and gas was empty but with a jump and some gas it idles very rough. we will check codes on mon/tues.
oil on stick and coolant in radiator looked ok from quick check.
ok, engine runs but weak. seems spark is ok but no compression on #3 cylinder. so now we will pull engine trans and all else. i am about to go and pick up another ej22 1990. we'll pull all heads and decide which parts to use.
what is a good lubricant to spray on engine bay harness plugs to loosen the up, they are all a bitch to get disconnected.
got me second ej22 today $100.
thank you andy
at a gas station on the way back from picking up engine, a guy asked me what kind of engine is that, i asked, the one in the trunk or the one in the car and another guy told me about ferdinand porsche having a flat 8 cylinder car.
harness and ecu OUT
with only two small cuts to body, one one to finger and one to wrist
and my hopefully to be driver 1990 subaru legacy auto awd white
wire harness question thread..
thinking about driving the white one for a while but it has TRANS BINDING which means it probably needs a new DUTY C SOLENOID, thus i am pulling the exhaust and drive shaft, so i can pull rear housing off auto awd trans, so i can get to solenoid a clutch pack. see thread about this...
great thread on repairing shielded suby wires.
http://www.corsa-technic.com/search.php (SEACRH MT OR HW)
pulled engine and trans last night. made a cradle for running engine out of car today. this engine has one cylinder with very low compression but will be fine for testing STOCK ecu and wiring for FI. i removed hoist and am keeping trans and wood blocks in place with a ratchet strap, for now. 2.5 hrs of fabricating/welding and $10 harbour freight furniture dolly.
The Fun begins Jim. You may need a few aspirin after you cut down that harness.
I have several wires to fix on my harness. somehow I cut several grey sheathed wires. I also need to verify what the diode looks like and find out if it is on my harness. just ordered some suby pins male/female from http://www.corsa-technic.com/category.php?category_id=105
need to weld up a metal trans cradle for my stand and a way to mount radiator. then set up something to hold battery and fuel pump and a small gas tank.
ambitious, no. poking myself
frugal and on a tight budget, yes.
I might be able to help with the cradle. Want to shoot for next weekend on the v8 car?
I already have the suby cradle and trans hangers from coldwater and it is very nicely designed and made. glad to have it.
sunday for v8 car sounds good, got to check with wife but it think sunday is clear, I will place my summit order for gaskets/etc tomorrow.
ps: i've been posting some misc suby pics here so i can share them with suby guys on other threads asking for help with my auto trans binding issue.
i bit off topic but i am making my recently bought 1990 legacy with ej22 my daily driver for a while. it needs structs and springs. i want to lower it. i the meanwhile i have an ej22 on a stand and am getting ready to get it running our of car.
this is how: http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51784
engine stand getting closer to finished and closer to letting me start on wiring FI. engine and radiator and trans are now all part of the stand
engine plugs f25 and f26 schematics for 3 engine plug type ej22.
decided to try a microsquirt based on many youtube vids. seems i need to swap out my 6/7 crank sprocket for a 36-2-2-2 crank sprocket. this one.
based on this thread and below youtube vid.
spencer suggested this coil. coil 032906106b. it combines coil and exciter in one unit
ms coil info
Good to see you haven't given up. MS is easier to wire. Do you have a map to emulate or will you be paying a tuner.
guess i'll cross that bridge if i ever get there
but thanks for the encouragement
i got 4 early ej22s, it would be ridiculous for me not to get one running using stand alone ecu. gonna spring for a microsquirt in next few weeks.
very few sensors needed:
throttle position sensor
intake air sensor
gm 3 bar map sensor
2 banks of injectors
a few relays
a nice intake piece that might come in handy.
LS V8 info but decent explanation of relays in glove box
MS2 ECU board fits nicely inside a stock Suby ECU case. This is what I ran on my EJ20TT motor in my old Suby conversion. Should have never sold that car. Anyway...
Just clip the stock connector and run jumper wires to the DB37 connector. Better capability than the microsquirt for boosted applications. for NA the microsquirt works just fine.
Yeah the MS should work great. I just bought a Megasquirt 3 system. Should be here tomorrow . The 2.2 and 3.3 are easy to set up.
So Jim.... ...you gonna use all 4 of those 2.2's ? I need something for my Vanagon.
mine will be NA. baby steps for me.
i WAS thinking one engine at a time but who knows
i have one known good, one known bad, and two unknown condition, mostly for spare parts. pretty certain the one 5spd trans i have is good.
hopefully i will have some sort of update in the next month or so
hopefully i will have some sort of update in the next month or so
You'd better or we're going to drag you out of the house and make you finish it.
got gm iat sensor, gm clt sensor, on order. plan to tap the pcv valve hole for the iat and tap the coolant manifold for the clt senor.
seems like aem uego is a decent buy and about $100 less than innovate lm2.
pulled intake and coolant manifold off test engine. made blanking plate for the IACV and plate to mount vw coil. ordered some m6 bolts to mount it all.
i assume next to coolant sensor is a sensor for a coolant dummy light (one wire)?
what do you guys think about drilling and tapping the pcv bung in the manifold for the install of a iat sensor. or should i just add another bung for the iat and keep pcv valve in place?
my coworker suggested i put the iat sensor thru the iacv block off plate. sounds reasonable.
the nice thing about gm senors is they are cheap, like $15 $20 new each. iat and clt.
i'm not using subaru harness, just microsquirt harness to sensor pigtails.
as for pcv removal.
i have one breather on each head. shouldn't that suffice?
fwiw - the thread on subaru iat and clt sensors is M12-1.5
my latest confusion. seems coil does not line up with cylinder location on engine.
ej22 clockwise starting front left, 1,3,4,2
i thought banks mattered with batch spark?
i realize most won't understand my question, in fact i am not sure i understand it myself
You only have 17 possible combinations.
Yes that is me being a smart arse.
And four of them will work, but we will make this easy as we can.
Spark plug 1 goes to coil plug 1
Spark Plug 3 goes to coil plug 2
Spark Plug 2 goes to Coil plug 3
Spark Plug 4 goes to coil plug 4
That solution makes the wires cross over each other. What a mess so this while logically more strain is easier on the eye.
So Spark plug 1 to coil plug 3
Spark Plug 2 to coil plug 1
Spark Plug 3 to Coil plug 4
Spark Plug 4 to coil plug 2
Much easier with coil on plug, or individual coils.
BTW, re-lable the coil to match your final working solution.
Hope that helps if I missed the question o the description, let me know I will modify my post not to steer anyone wrong.
stephen, very awesome, thank you! jim
Mount the coil upside down.
If you make your pickup 180 degrees out it also has the same effect as mounting the coil upside down.
Your now running with crazy, the key to the entire thing is pretty simple you want to fire on alternating coil packs. In a 6 cylinder you just add a third so coil pack 1, 2, 3, 1, ,2, 3.
1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6 or 1,2,3,1,2,3
Dual plugs you just run multiple coil packs in redundancy.
1a&1b,2a&2b, you get the idea.
This is all wasted spark setups, once you go with sequential, things get so much easier Then you have to figure out the logic to drive the coils in the order you want them to fire. I am now taking this beyond your question and sorry for that.
Maybe I should do a mini school on EFI logic, and wiring. We are getting into so many engine combinations it is not longer just a discussion type-IV, and -6 engines. Even -6s with twin plugs makes things just a tad worse. Luckily your Subaru 2.2 is about as basic of an EFI engine as you can get, so a MicroSquirt unit should be pretty simple. Being said we have not gotten into doing anything the EFI input sides.
Back off my mad ramblings the firing order of the engine 1-3-2-4.
In your drawing you have the order correctly as that is the firing order, but your cylinder numbers or as I called spark plug is not.
1 in your drawing is cylinder or spark plug number 1 hook it up to coil side 1/4
2 in your drawing is cylinder or spark plug number 3 hook it up to coil side 2/3
3 in your drawing is cylinder or spark plug number 2 hook it up to coil side 1/4
4 in your drawing is cylinder or spark plug number 4 hook it up to coil side 2/3
Makes it any clearer than the mud it is?
Fixed that is what I get for copy and pasting my work load
thanks - big help
trying to remove my trans tail cover to convert to 2wd. but roll pin came put but shifter piece won't come off, rusty. also does this piece normally have protrusions where the roll pin goes in. see last pic.
nevermind, answered my own question, there was more roll pin left, outter section.
might have to use cut wheel and angle grinder to remove this piece though
gonna try soaking with pb blaster first.
need to get a puller to remove 6/7 crank sprocket, so i can install 36-2-2-2 sprocket.
guys, how to i order and make spark plug wires for subaru spark plugs and 1999 vw bug coil plugs?
VW coil pack, wow your picture threw me for a minute, but yes that is a VW 2.0L engine out of a golf or jetta, based on the pwoersteering fluid resivor, I would say 1999 - 2001 time frame.
As far as the plug wires, It is a standard on the one end and the other. Most V8 plug wires should work you can get them nice custom ones that you make up, or just go wit a generic set that gets you where your going.
the vw coil is different than most as it has a pin in the center, see pic. and pic of vw coil mounted on my suby intake manifold.
i'm thinking about these audi wires from ebay: Set of 6 Pcs Spark Plug Ignition Wire Lead For 2.8L VW Passat Audi A4 A6 Quattro
ok, as usual, i am confused. i just installed 36-2-2-2 crank wheel after making the belt at all 3 timing marks. i removed idlers and belt. removed old sprocket and installed new sprocket, lined up the belts 3 marks with the marks on the 2 pulleys and the new sprocket, but after all buttoned up, i noticed that when the cams are lined up and paint marker marks are lined up too, the sprocket mark lines up with my paint marker line, but i about 1 inch counter clockwise of its timing mark.
the odd thing is if i reinstall belt with cam pulleys and sprocket aligned with their timing marks, i expect my paint marker lines won't. i just checked an image of a new 36-2-2-2 sprocket and my old sprocket and they both have their timing mark 180 degrees from the keyway.
guess i'll never know how my paint mark is off
Might be a tad short, don't know, I forgot about the pin / never paid attention to it. I only had one car with that igniter, it was a 1999 very early production Jetta. Thing had more electrical issues than all the Lucas cars combined. It was possessed, so I gladly push it out of my memory banks ever chance I get. Everything else I own VW either uses Coil on plug, or does not use spark plugs at all.
I honestly prefer the latter, love my TDIs, and will be getting another one very soon.
Chris H mentioned the same issue in his build thread I think it was Chris. Getting older but I recall he ir someone resembling him in my mind had this issue when they did their timing belt. Reason it sticks out in my mind is that I figured I would have fallen for the same Subaru magic trick. Seems odd and that is how Subaru will do the trick, I could be completely off base here also, what the F do I really know
i just turned 53 yesterday. few on this planet can talk to me about old age
reinstalled timing belt and think i got it pretty close this time.
also cut off the top of the alternator bracket so i can swing alt to drivers side, so i can install intake facing rear.
tomorrow night i will do some tapping for clt and iat sensors.
got to make a bracket for alternator adjustment. might use some threaded rod ends.
That is looking good
Jim, is your engine a "0" clearance style? You might want to remove the plugs to spin the motor by hand. You want to be sure a valve doesn't embed itself in the top of a piston once started.
i made the marks on my belt MYSELF and could have certainly installed back on flipped?
the earlier ej22 are NON interference and is one of the reasons i like them.
waiting on a U bend of 1.75" so i can merge my exhaust and put a bung in place for the o2 sensor.
getting the belt right was a little tricky, had to make sure all lined up and all the slack in the belt was in the area of the tensioner.
got to make an alternator adjuster like this. from this thread.
question, does threaded part between two tie rods have a right hand thread on one side and a left hand thread on the other?
alternator bracket version 1 done. may interfere with timing covers?
now i gotta find a 5 rib belt to turn it.
was gonna install my intake manifold flipped but had one metal fuel line IN THE WAY.
will need to cut the line and put some inches of rubber line.
next up is to merge exhaust for 02 bung.
down the road is shift linkage.
Belts are measured in mm. Use a "cloth tape" to measure max and min for the alt adjustment as the belt will be in 5mm or 10mm increments. 5K### or ###K5
thanks, good info that i did not know.
got test stand exhaust mostly completely tacked up. gonna ask pro welder to finish it up.
got to add a bit more tail pipe and put a bung in it somewhere.
decided to go ahead and weld it up and let pro welder fix my blow thrus/etc and yes that is TIG but most could never tell
waiting on a 1' piece of 1.75 od exhaust tubing to add to the end and add the bung.
a downside of making the coupler yourself is that it will UNLIKELY slide right on with no pressure. thus getting it off one day could be a bitch. a bremar for $175 beans might be easily removable.
wanted to button up trans but realized i never order 10-1.25 20mm bolts for thin cover
so the consensus is to not use a bell crank?
and to go at the trans from the side for side to side motion.
I think the bell crank version allows for 2 the same length cables, attractive to me.
and another version
SOB, my trans does not have the threaded bungs on it, like ian designed his set up for, which i was attempting to recreate. now i need to fab up something quite different.
only realized this when i pull out trans to measure holes to drill holes in braket to final size
i guess i'll make a plate that attached with 4 trans cover plate bolts, that wraps around the side of the trans?
or maybe i will weld a bracket onto the coldwater trans hanger drivers side?
.........or you could chunk the bell cranks and go with 2 different length cables! And does your wife know that you find the same length cables attractive?
she has always suspected
also, at my work they have/had two 90" push pull cables 1/4-28 that have been in deep dusty storage for years. I just dusted them off for my project and thus will go with bell crank, at least initially.
lastly, my plan for a mr2 shifter mount. bottom flat steel plate with slots for forward backward movement using the 3 stock 914 mounting holes, and this plate will have 2" offsets that the shifter will be bolted or welded to.
so kent (76-914) ran his push pull cables right thru the big hole, hum : )
just found this helpful pic
and the original
and a custom version of coldwater's
and for then I get to exhaust for engine IN CAR it seems apmech used a header like this with coldwater cradle.
Jim, you might look at heating and bending it back a bit, first. Your already rear of the original shifter location. Personally, I like the short throw. IIRC, Chris used an extension to meet his needs.
getting me a new tool
making some linkage progress.
another variable are the cables being different from brand to brand. clearly i need to lengthen my bracket cause once i add rod ends, i will need more length in bracket.
making a little more shifter progress. should be able to test tomorow. see that one little tack holding the rear assy to the trans hanger which is obscurred by a leg of my test stand.
i have to say, i should work slower and check for straightness far more often and i would would love to use more stainless steel but mild steel is so much easier to cut and drill. fwiw.
oh yeah, seems many push pull cables are threaded for 1/4-28 and a few couplers and rod ends will be needed of same thread.
lastly i have to say HOLY SHIT to ian at coldwater for his amazing talent to develop the system he did. truly stunning craftsmanship my craftsmanship is more like craftsmanshit compared
I just came across this - http://zerodecibelmotorsports.com/products/bell-crank-mechanism-5spd/
Not cheap at $300 but an option if coldwater isn't going to make more shifter kits.
seems gate for 5th and reverse is spring loaded,and i am having some issues.
1st and 2nd not.
not sure i was really in 5th and reverse.
pushing forward on shifter feels better engagement, than pulling back.
also feels like it wants to jump past neutral and on to next gear in same gate but maybe it is just a matter of getting used to it?
seems like a good price for push pull cables on ebay.
I mention this cause there seems to be empirical data suggesting that shifting the gates is done much better using a long cable coming to trans from the side. ie: dbcooper and many others. so I think one 90" and one 120" are probably the best cable lengths to use.
Steinjager Shifter Cables, Push-Pull 1/4-28 90 Inches Long Bulkhead Style
Steinjager Shifter Cables, Push-Pull 1/4-28 120 Inches Long Bulkhead Style
Jim, if your going this route check my build thread. I listed the lengths there, Maybe it was 9' & 7.5' but I'm not sure. Less moving parts = reliability!
son of a gun thanks
i'm starting to wonder if this cradle (sawtooth's) could be made even simpler with long sections reaching all the way to the trans hanger section. I also wonder if the cross bar needs some amount of bump up to allow easier passage for exhaust.
though I see lots of guys doing turbo thus turbo routed exhausts. though sawtooth's header solution seems to fit beautifully.
picked up a 1997 legacy 5spd awd trans today for $100. it has the 2 bungs on its side.
guess i'll buy a microsquirt harness and start wiring it up. relays and ignition switch and all. guess i'll start by writing down all the colors of the wires that come out of all my sensors, injectors, etc, and figure out what goes where.
here is an image of many of my plugs.
i think this brit is giving me the correct firing order of the coil?
and ordered a shift knob 12mm 1.25 $12 ebay
guys. i know you are some smart fellas. how do i check this vw coil to figure out what spark plug wire holes are on each bank and figure out what electrical pins are for each bank?
is there some sort of continuity test i can do that won't cause possible damage to the coil?
also, my plug to the coil has one fat wire NOT at the 12v supply pin. i should probably move it to the 12v supply pin, right?
Looks like the TPS pin 2 ties to the microsquirts gnd and pin 3 ties to the microsquirts 5v ref. That leaves you with pin 4 that goes to the microsquirts TPS signal wire. Looks like pin 1 will not be used, its a idle switch that the microsquirt doesn't support.
Toward the ignition coil, I would bench test this to see what's what. It looks like the coil needs a pull up signal to fire a certain bank. I would use a car battery to supply the 12volts to the coil, and also have the microsquirt powered up so you could temporarily borrow its 5volt ref voltage to tap either bank 1 or bank 2 signal input, then observe which banks fire.
TPS pin 1---not used
TPS pin 2 ties to Microsquirts pin 20 (GND)
TPS pin 3 ties to Microsquirts pin 28 (5v ref)
TPS pin 4 ties to Microsquirts pin 27 (tps signal)
You may want to verify this by following the instructions here:
tim, i will.
next up, the vw coil.
diy provides this for pin out put i don't know which two spark holes are paired and i don't know which two are 1-3 and 3-4.
MY BAD, DIY DOES PROVIDE MORE INFO ON COIL.
are you setting up both crank and cam signals? Does microsquirt allow both functions?
not sure if it allows for both but i am not using a cam sensor. not needed as i understand it.
i did just notice a conflict on what pins to use for the cylinders on diy microsquirt page.
you can solve this discrepancy by buying the sequential injection upgrade kit
next week i will start wiring it up using wire nuts at all connections. a base map will be the last issue unless it is not needed and the autotune will create one.
toying with the idea of making cradles that include trans hangers and maybe cable shift brackets too.
trying to keep it simple with a minimum of different materials. should be able to make most pieces from 1.5" mild steel square tube 1/8" thick, and a tiny bit of 2" angle for the ends, and a little bit of 3" square tube for engine mounts.
the scraps used in my pic are 1" and 2", so ignore them sizewise
stealing ideas from ian, sawtooth, and japnovak.
Looks like you are well along with things...
For the uS install...
Do consider the sequential fuel kit.
It matters... Not hugely, but it matters, and the uS can use two inputs, or use a cam speed missing tooth wheel as a single input, supports sequential.
Sequential spark NBD. Fuel makes a difference, and you have the trim and timing adjustment in MS2E/uS.
If it was a MS3 you would have per cylinder timing trim etc, but really no reason to go sequential spark on MS2.
Skip the wire nuts and pick up a good, adjustable ratcheting crimper with NON-insulated crimp dies, and a few boxes of various sizes 50pk of the hot-melt glue lined splices and terminals.
I like the Paladin crimper with the angled handle, YMMV.
The insulation is very thin on those splices so the non-insulated die work very well.
The hot melt glue takes care of sealing the possible hole from the bump in the die, and you get a solid crimp every time.
If you are crimping on the "F" type pins and inserting into the connectors, rather than slicing pigtails, you need WAY fewer splices, and need the matching die... A decent quality stand alone crimper for GM Weatherpak (with multiple nests) may be cheaper than the die, and may actually work better.
Why is it showing I only have two posts???? Has been awhile since i logged in here...
way to go with those 2 whole posts : )
and thanks for chiming in.
no budget for any extras and the wire nuts are just to get my test engine running on test stand. i plan on all kinds of nice connections when the thing finally goes in a car.
need to get a few more fuse panels.
update - 22 degrees +-
gonna mate it to engine tonight (hope my engine mount holes are rightish) and try to establish location of trans area cross over tube.
rear cross bar oriented and welded on. everything in pics in now fully welded.
need to weld bar to brackets i made for trans.
my design will incorporate trans hangers for suby trans and,
i am thinking about incorporating push pull cable brackets into the cradle as well.
my thought was that a specific design would allow buyers to know:
exactly which cables to buy, Steinjager Shifter Cables on ebay, $60 each +-
exactly what to cut stock 914 axles to, by dutchman, for $150 or so.
any thoughts ???
i was thinking of making the mass produced version out of stainless, but stainless is more money and machining is more work, but wouldn't need paint or powder coating.
it weights 28 lbs +-
i'm gonna see how it fits in my car tomorrow.
my boss is riding my ass for not using ROUND tube but i feel square tube makes fabrication easier.
I like the idea of the "kit" type development - it offers a lot to the new conversion (or should I say, converted!) projects by taking the guesswork out of it with proven designs. With a few modifications it will fit every engine in the Suby lineup and as long as the tranny stays in the same spot the axles will work. Nice job!
just tested cradle in my car and found trans hangers are about 1" short. other than that, all seems pretty good.
did have to install the rear motor style mounts for trans and did end up using shorter fatter bolts, as long bolts blocked install.
the 2' x 2' stainless steel bar you see, is temporary, it is tacked to where trans should be, I tacked there to take up the height the trans would take if it were installed.
if I ever begin to mass produce these I will take greater care to keep my electrode pointy and make my metal clean. these two things improve the welds dramatically.
next up I will redo rear hangers 1" taller. and then look at designing shift linkage brackets that can be welded to cradle.
the engine on my test stand has 2 bad cylinders, so my son and I attempted to remove the good engine from my 1990 legacy automatic (bad auto trans), but the thing I thought would be the easiest, turned out to stump us. I think trans was getting caught up on cross member. so saving final pull out for an upcoming weekend.
need to find out is removing the 4 or so bolts on trans, release it from engine or if there are bolts, like the svx has on flexplate that hold it too to engine?
also, it seems, from what I read on WWW, I can use an early 1990s flywheel clutch etc to mate my 1990 engine to my 1998 trans?
car is available - for free.
it turns out that shipping a fully welded cradle, 40x48x8 33 lbs costs $200 from va to az.
now i'm thinking of mabe offering them unwelded in four places, and shipping them in four pieces, to save on shipping costs. i assume most of us have a buddy who can weld
started making a jig and getting my angles correct. as my first one had room for improvement
i am also considering welding a flat plate here, a gusset of sorts. see yellow lines.
Renegade bolts the motor mount cross member to the side runner's so there's would ship in a long tube configuration I would guess
renegade site says the don't sell kit parts separately but i do not know if that is an actual fact?
but my understanding is that it is bolted together.
here is a pic of it i think.
That's it,..Iam not sure I would like to rely on that many bolts,But it may have its advantages,it does not seem that sturdy ??
they are also willing to sell there upgraded axel's for the 901
Add four detachable casters to it and you can roll it right out from under your car after unbolting it from chassis. My home made contraption worked great on my seized engine I just pulled. I roll it right back under car for storage when i want it out of way.
Jim I see that you are building like a mad man these days. I own Subaru's but I don't have the knowledge depth that this brain trust has been sharing.
I will agree that the fewer moving parts on the cable shifter linkage the better, and unless it is proven, some throw adjustability will be nice to have for fine tuning.
Do you still have Rod on your tech team? The shop looks he might be
rod's on my team BUT he is stubbornly opposed to water cooling a 914 and motorcycles. we are in competition as to who can get on the road first, my subaruized 914 or his vintage triumph.
needless to say i am running behind : )
you are absolutely correct. i have always used a furniture dolly in the past but this will change : )
i will start off with a 914 cv at the wheel, cheapest alternative, but who knows what in the future.
my latest thought is to machine a flange like pms sells for 901 to 930 cvs but machine them for 901 to 100mm cvs.
thinking back, the magic flanges were pretty sweet but a little pricey at $400 a pair.
a new idea got in my head. to weld one axle stub to another and have the inner resplined for suby cv. along with having a 914 axles resplined on both sides for suby cvs. so i can use 4 suby cvs versus a combo of cvs.
lastly, weddle sells a type 1 to type 2&4 drive flange $40 ea. see pic below. weld one to a second and flipped stub axle, and weld one to the subaru cv housing. the question is can a bus axle assy be used 18-3/4" without modification of axle. cost of this is flange $40 x 4, bus axle assys $100 x 2, 2 axle stubs $100 = $460 in parts (plus cutting and welding).
based on jpnavak's thread, i will weld up a suby to 914 axle to make a frankenaxle.
his advice "I would make sure that you sleeve the OD and that the sleeve is long enough to be outside the root joint HAZ. I think it took 7 passes to fill the axle. You also need to straighten them after each pass. I rolled them on the floor and would tap them if they did not roll concentric."
today i disassembled my suby axle halfs for the job. and lost one suby c clip in the grass. why do i still do disassembly on the GRASS
got first and second cradle made. i will use the trans brackets I MADE from 1.5" square stock, on mine (left), and used part of the oem subaru bracket on my second cradle (right) which is sold.
looking forward to getting started on third
this is how i did mine, trans area.
but i am going to do my best to source used subaru oem bracket for any i build, as they are much nicer looking and much easier to weld in place. and it seems subaru used the same bracket for like, 20 years, which should make finding them used on ebay reasonable.
Keep building those cradles and then fill in with a cable shift. This will probably prompt me to build another Suby 914...
I have been looking for another donor roller for a while.
If I was not about to go to paint on my 72 911 coupe project I would have already started on one.
when i first test fitted my first cradle in my car with a 9" spacer tacked on, see post 192 first pic, i was about an inch short. i since then added an inch to mine, so at worst i may need a thick washer or two. but thanks for your input
but i did use the subaru oem mount on my second which probably lost me about 1/4" extra.
and here is another reason i am certain i am real close. this is a pic of coldwaters trans hanger next to mine.
based on my other thread, it seems that 911 cupped washers are best to use with 911 sport mounts.
and i am leaning heavily on using a oem wrx header, instead of an aftermarket header as price is the same but oem unit is more compact it seems.
my axle related thread
If your going to all this problem why not just machine up and outer stub that access the subaru CV and bolts into the 914 -4 flange, or 911 flange. I would go with the 911 flange, late model with the hub centric pieces on the flange. Strong, OEMs work and you could make it a bolt on affair.
Just me and the odd ideas I have running through my head at times.
You would still need to get the axle lengths set and resplinded.
I would go 944 outer - Dutchman axels and Subbie inner on transide, easily done and repeatable.
You could also use the bolt on adapters for the 930 CV to stock 914 CV flange.
So stock 914 stub on training arm, CV Adapter, 930 CV, Dutchman axle resplinded Subbie CV on trans side.
All that being said I am and went all 930, so I could find something besides CVs to keep off the road. Which is truly all bolt on.
If history teaches us nothing what will keep me off the road is myself, as when I get the car done, I will tear it apart in short order to fabricate something else. Now if I can get it recognized as a disorder, I would have the ability to do it when ever I wanted, and just say ..|. .|.. I got it bad, leave me be.
quote the Chili Peppers "I got a bad disease"
i'll most likely start with 914 cv and suby cv and a replined 914 axle.
but then i was thinking 924/944 cv for strength.
i like the idea of brand new axles and cvs that dont need any modification. though this would require flanges adapted to the wheel side and trans side in some sort of way.
seems to be no sub $400 solution. $150 pair axles, $150 4 flanges, etc etc.
just messing with a shifting revision on my TEST MULE cradle.
getting all gears now and no more bell crank.
sorry to take up so much page one space with my abomination
just realized i forgot to use my ball joint rod ends : (
so i plan to redo the trans arm because without ball joints, the threads on the cable will get messed up very quickly.
some pics of the oem header i ordered (it's rough $60) and of the clearance i have around my cradle and motor.
revised my trans arm to allow me to use, as i should have originally, bearing ends.
see me shift thru the gears in no particular order
meaning the 914 cv on the wheel side?
that said, mine will be powered by a 1990 legacy 2.2 with barely 120-130 hp at best.
doubt i'll be breaking anything
greatest ever 914 suby conversion video collection
next up is making a bracket for my clutch push pull cable.
holy shit, finally got the engine and auto trans out of my 1990 legacy. could not separate them but know it is because of the bolts that hold the torque converter to the flexplate. cut one axle and did some things with the drive shaft, and engine/trans came out.
my driveway is now a brownfield : ( even after draining oil and trans fluid, i had a good amount still come out during removal of the later.
pics to come.
the guy that is taking my legacy away needed me to remove the drive shaft today so his dad can come get the car with a tow dolly. drive shaft out and both axles cut so i have cv housings for modification.
tried to disconnect auto trans from ej22 and found that those bolts between flex plate and torque converter and low profile and a bit of a bitch to remove. got to get me a nice 5 point long 12 mm box wrench
Jim if you tie that engine cradle to the front chassis as well, you'll never have a rust sag car again
do i hear overkill its mostly 1/8 steel with some 1/4 steel thrown in. mine is not much heavier than coldwater's and his was .90 tube mostly.
i'm gonna try some cut and sleeved axles and will report on longevity.
This is what I did. Send the axles to the machine shop to cut them to 18 inches total lenght (should have them cut to 17.5 inches for easier installation). Have one end re-splided to subaru transmission end. Total cost was $180.00 dollars.
that looks good
my suby trans has the female cvs and my understanding is the axle length is different depending on if the suby female or male cv is used.
i will be able to measure for what i need only after my engine and trans are mounted in my car.
subaru is gone.
Why not do a hydraulic clutch? It is super easy and works great.
"my suby trans has the female cvs and my understanding is the axle length is different depending on if the suby female or male cv is used."
How can you use the male end of the cv? The plunge joint (tulip) is the side that fits in the trans - the male end only fits the hub side... I think.
my cv is not the tulip type, mine has a cage and balls inside like 914 cv.
as for hydraulic, maybe i'll upgrade down the road. simply trying to use what i GOT
last pic is amenson's, like mine.
one issue i found is with wrx header oem style. it seems to interfere with water pump housing. though i tested with no gasket, but it seems a thickish gasket may solve the problem though i think maybe there is a different housing i should be using vs stock 2.2 housing?
when i removed the housing the header went together fine.
relieved to see that oil filter is far from header
looks like my answer is here
That is a plunge joint, just not a tripod type. As opposed to the 914 stock axle or a 911 type. It makes it lots easier to remove the axle when the inside joint can travel into the housing.
Are you using the stock water pump? Any hose that close to the header will melt or crack within a short timeframe.
Sounds like a turbo water pump is certainly the answer there. Another option is a remote water pump, but the flanges will probably be difficult to fit.
thanks guys for chiming in, very appreciated
yes, seems i will have to change to a turbo water pump. still this will be a hose pretty dang close to a exhaust manifold.
i'll size up my axle like this member did.
and use dutchman.
914 cv wheel end and suby cv trans end.
nice a dry too, no grease
what the hell, i added wheels, not sure my oil pan won't touch the ground
i don't know about you guys, but when i pull an engine, i drop the car down low with wheels off, undo engine/trans mounts, a let eng/trans rest on furniture dolly, THEN, i lift car up crazy high, so i can roll assy out from under car.
i know some lift engine into lifted car.
gussets, fuck, shit. should have used 1/4 thickness vs 1/8.
though i don't see a way around using a turbo pump and i don't mind as long at it is simply a bolt on swap.
alright. i redid redonedid the wheel mounts and used 1/4 angle
short welds mostly bottom to top, but i prefer welding right to left, horizontally, sitting comfortably, with hand supported
I didn't use the stock header. I used an aftermarket header. You did track down the manufacturer and post a picture of the header in my thread. It was post 386. It was HDG Performance.
I am not sure if it is less expensive and easier to change the water pump or buy a new header?
i decided against an aftermarket header in favor of a subaru oem turbo header. for compactness and $9.99 on ebay + $25 shipping.
but now i need to change water pump to turbo style also.
this at least will force me to replace old water pump
31 LBS. what u thinkin 76-914?
and here is a pic that shows the turbo water pump with my header better. amazing clearance with turbo water pump. maybe 1.5"
Looking good Jim!
You might already be planning on it, but I would spend a little time with an angle grinder to take down the sharp points just to protect yourself. It sucks getting cut on a sharp edge when you're working on something else entirely.
you know, the guys here at work have been gettin on my ass about that too. seems like you guys might be right about SHARP EDGES.
i did gouge the rear bumper on my honda fit the other day when removing it from my car
i think i was about $50 in matls, mild steel, mostly 1/8" and some 1/4".
shipping is the KILLER for a buyer. fedex and ups charge about $170 or so, regardless if its going 6hrs away or 16 hrs away.
i've only made 2 so far, one for myself (1st one) and sold one.
got to find a way around high shipping cost. size is about 40x30x8 at 31lbs if i recall correctly.
6:59 PM (41 minutes ago)
to me, travis
Yes, I have the adapters for a 901/914 transaxle output flange to a 100mm (86mm x 8mm six bolt threaded pattern) CV joint. $100 each. Thanks for asking.
Scott >>> Renegade Hybrids
So 400 for a set of 4. Or 200 for a pair if you do it like I did. Not that bad.
see andyrew's post #498 and his whole awesome thread
$55 to $100 nationwide would be great. i need to figure out how coldwater did it.
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