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Posted by: Mike1981 Oct 14 2015, 06:14 PM
Hello Everyone
Just took possession of this 1972 914
It has a 327 Chevy Small block with performance cams KEP Clutch/Adapter
Still learning how the car handles but for my 2 short rides it is alot of fun
Needs some small paint repair (rust bubbles)
Otherwise I am very pleased with my purchase
Posted by: SKL1 Oct 14 2015, 06:29 PM
With that engine, you may want to upgrade your brakes, etc... I see you still have 4 bolt original hubs and brakes...
Posted by: Mike1981 Oct 14 2015, 06:47 PM
Thanks
The front brakes are BMW
The rears are the front 914 calipers
They stop the car really well
Also they have racing grade pads
The hubs are 4bolt
What do I get if I upgrade to 5 Bolt??
Posted by: Bruce Hinds Oct 14 2015, 09:35 PM
5 bolt may give you a better selection of a wider selection of wheel sizes. Just going a little bit wider and slightly larger in tire size will make a world of difference in handling.
I've not seen the figures, but a 205/50 or 206/60 on a 7 inch wheel will about double the footprint of the original 165 on the 5.5 inch wheel. Sway bars?
With the right wheel and tire combo, some sway bars and the suspension set right, you'll really be able to take advantage of the V8. If you don't do any drag racing, the gear box and ring and pinion should hold up fine. CV joints usually fail when you accelerate hard out of a corner and light up the inside tire. That's where traction will help a lot, not to mention learning careful application of that power.
Enjoy-
Posted by: flmont Oct 14 2015, 10:11 PM
What kind of power does the 327 make as it sits,..???
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Oct 14 2015, 10:48 PM
Please give us a better description of the build of the engine, like what is the camshaft profile (you would not have camshaft(s)in a sb chevy).
The 327 came as a lowly 210 bhp 2 barrel carb. OR all the way up to a 375 bhp f.i. engine with a solid lifter cam. The latter goes into a classic corvette...doubtful that it's in your car.
Enjoy the v8, but get some decent brakes + cv joints !
Posted by: Chris914n6 Oct 14 2015, 11:42 PM
5 lug = 911 front suspension. You get a wide selection of vented rotors, plus more choices in wider correct offset wheels. Not cheap but is a valuable upgrade.
Posted by: 1stworks Oct 15 2015, 08:00 AM
Welcome to the dark side.
Nice looking car,enjoy!
Posted by: whitetwinturbo Oct 15 2015, 10:19 AM
Post more "darkside" pictures
Here's the slippery slope of 5 lug set ups:
Posted by: Bruce Hinds Oct 15 2015, 10:52 AM
QUOTE(whitetwinturbo @ Oct 15 2015, 09:19 AM)
Post more "darkside" pictures
Here's the slippery slope of 5 lug set ups:
There are lots of 5 lug wheel options too that will fit under the narrow body fenders and you don't have to go to flares.
Posted by: RobW Oct 15 2015, 12:59 PM
QUOTE(Mike1981 @ Oct 14 2015, 05:14 PM)
Hello Everyone
Just took possession of this 1972 914
It has a 327 Chevy Small block with performance cams KEP Clutch/Adapter
Still learning how the car handles but for my 2 short rides it is alot of fun
Needs some small paint repair (rust bubbles)
Otherwise I am very pleased with my purchase
Congratulations!
Posted by: Mike1981 Oct 15 2015, 01:00 PM
Hello All
I will list the upgrades to this vehicle:
1968 Chevy 327 large main journal
heads post 1987 Chevy 4 bolt stainless 1.94 intake 1.5 exhaust
Camshaft Crane Cams??5840 hydraulic
Clutch/Flywheel
Kennedy Eng Products Stage III 9"
KEP Stage III Pressure Plate
KEP 228mm flywheel
KEP Pilot/throw-out bearing
Fuel MGT
Intake Manifold Pro products "typhoon"
Holly Carb 600 double pump
Mr Gasket fuel pump
Mr Gasket pressure reg
2 inline fuel filters
K&N air filter
Open System no thermostat
2 row aluminum radiator
Ford Tarus SHO fan 2350 CFM
185 degree fan switch
1970 Dodge water-pump 440ci impeller
Exhaust
1980 Corvette headers
Thrush turbo mufflers (Drone pretty bad from 1600 to 2400 RPM)
Brakes
Rotors...stock
Front 1980 BMW 320i
Rear porsche 914 fronts
911 master cylinder
proportioning valve replaced with t
Ignition
Distributor Stock HEI type
Coil: Accel
Plugs AC Delco CR43TS
100AMP alternator 1 wire
Starter IMI high Torque
Suspension
Turbo Tie rods
KB struts front
Bilstien coil overs rear
Front torsion bar 911
MOMO steering wheel
Rims
American Racing
Tires 205 50 R 15 Falken
estimated HP 325
Estimated torque 350 ft-lbs
This was sent to me from the previous owner who did the re-build
It also has a roll bar and racing seats
set up for racing with camber 1.5 front and back
Still getting used to the ride
lots of power
lots of fun
thanks for any advice
Posted by: Mike1981 Oct 16 2015, 08:25 AM
QUOTE(Mike1981 @ Oct 15 2015, 03:00 PM)
Hello All
I will list the upgrades to this vehicle:
1968 Chevy 327 large main journal
heads post 1987 Chevy 4 bolt stainless 1.94 intake 1.5 exhaust
Camshaft Crane Cams??5840 hydraulic
Clutch/Flywheel
Kennedy Eng Products Stage III 9"
KEP Stage III Pressure Plate
KEP 228mm flywheel
KEP Pilot/throw-out bearing
Fuel MGT
Intake Manifold Pro products "typhoon"
Holly Carb 600 double pump
Mr Gasket fuel pump
Mr Gasket pressure reg
2 inline fuel filters
K&N air filter
Open System no thermostat
2 row aluminum radiator
Ford Tarus SHO fan 2350 CFM
185 degree fan switch
1970 Dodge water-pump 440ci impeller
Exhaust
1980 Corvette headers
Thrush turbo mufflers (Drone pretty bad from 1600 to 2400 RPM)
Brakes
Rotors...stock
Front 1980 BMW 320i
Rear porsche 914 fronts
911 master cylinder
proportioning valve replaced with t
Ignition
Distributor Stock HEI type
Coil: Accel
Plugs AC Delco CR43TS
100AMP alternator 1 wire
Starter IMI high Torque
Suspension
Turbo Tie rods
KB struts front
Bilstien coil overs rear
Front torsion bar 911
MOMO steering wheel
Rims
American Racing
Tires 205 50 R 15 Falken
estimated HP 325
Estimated torque 350 ft-lbs
This was sent to me from the previous owner who did the re-build
It also has a roll bar and racing seats
set up for racing with camber 1.5 front and back
Still getting used to the ride
lots of power
lots of fun
thanks for any advice
wow not one comment on list of upgrades??
Posted by: 1stworks Oct 16 2015, 10:05 AM
QUOTE(Mike1981 @ Oct 16 2015, 08:25 AM)
QUOTE(Mike1981 @ Oct 15 2015, 03:00 PM)
Hello All
I will list the upgrades to this vehicle:
1968 Chevy 327 large main journal
heads post 1987 Chevy 4 bolt stainless 1.94 intake 1.5 exhaust
Camshaft Crane Cams??5840 hydraulic
Clutch/Flywheel
Kennedy Eng Products Stage III 9"
KEP Stage III Pressure Plate
KEP 228mm flywheel
KEP Pilot/throw-out bearing
Fuel MGT
Intake Manifold Pro products "typhoon"
Holly Carb 600 double pump
Mr Gasket fuel pump
Mr Gasket pressure reg
2 inline fuel filters
K&N air filter
Open System no thermostat
2 row aluminum radiator
Ford Tarus SHO fan 2350 CFM
185 degree fan switch
1970 Dodge water-pump 440ci impeller
Exhaust
1980 Corvette headers
Thrush turbo mufflers (Drone pretty bad from 1600 to 2400 RPM)
Brakes
Rotors...stock
Front 1980 BMW 320i
Rear porsche 914 fronts
911 master cylinder
proportioning valve replaced with t
Ignition
Distributor Stock HEI type
Coil: Accel
Plugs AC Delco CR43TS
100AMP alternator 1 wire
Starter IMI high Torque
Suspension
Turbo Tie rods
KB struts front
Bilstien coil overs rear
Front torsion bar 911
MOMO steering wheel
Rims
American Racing
Tires 205 50 R 15 Falken
estimated HP 325
Estimated torque 350 ft-lbs
This was sent to me from the previous owner who did the re-build
It also has a roll bar and racing seats
set up for racing with camber 1.5 front and back
Still getting used to the ride
lots of power
lots of fun
thanks for any advice
wow not one comment on list of upgrades??
Pretty standard v8 build,old school style.
Should be a fun ride.
Posted by: 1stworks Oct 16 2015, 10:07 AM
QUOTE(whitetwinturbo @ Oct 15 2015, 10:19 AM)
Post more "darkside" pictures
Here's the slippery slope of 5 lug set ups:
Those wheels are beautiful!
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Oct 16 2015, 10:49 AM
Nice shopping list on the sb 327.
I'm just wondering with mostly all good engine upgrades...why did the builder leave the low performance 1.94 heads; when this cam + 600cfm carb. will work so much better with the 2.02 heads? For these sturdy 4 bolt- main iron blocks I prefer the Chevy cam #3863151 hydraulic, 2.02 angle plug heads, roller rockers and pushrod guide plates. Nothing from China...all U.S. sourced parts
Posted by: Andyrew Oct 16 2015, 10:49 AM
^^ So any modified honda owner?
Posted by: Chris H. Oct 16 2015, 10:53 AM
QUOTE(Mike1981 @ Oct 16 2015, 09:25 AM)
QUOTE(Mike1981 @ Oct 15 2015, 03:00 PM)
Hello All
I will list the upgrades to this vehicle:
1968 Chevy 327 large main journal
heads post 1987 Chevy 4 bolt stainless 1.94 intake 1.5 exhaust
Camshaft Crane Cams??5840 hydraulic
Clutch/Flywheel
Kennedy Eng Products Stage III 9"
KEP Stage III Pressure Plate
KEP 228mm flywheel
KEP Pilot/throw-out bearing
Fuel MGT
Intake Manifold Pro products "typhoon"
Holly Carb 600 double pump
Mr Gasket fuel pump
Mr Gasket pressure reg
2 inline fuel filters
K&N air filter
Open System no thermostat
2 row aluminum radiator
Ford Tarus SHO fan 2350 CFM
185 degree fan switch
1970 Dodge water-pump 440ci impeller
Exhaust
1980 Corvette headers
Thrush turbo mufflers (Drone pretty bad from 1600 to 2400 RPM)
Brakes
Rotors...stock
Front 1980 BMW 320i
Rear porsche 914 fronts
911 master cylinder
proportioning valve replaced with t
Ignition
Distributor Stock HEI type
Coil: Accel
Plugs AC Delco CR43TS
100AMP alternator 1 wire
Starter IMI high Torque
Suspension
Turbo Tie rods
KB struts front
Bilstien coil overs rear
Front torsion bar 911
MOMO steering wheel
Rims
American Racing
Tires 205 50 R 15 Falken
estimated HP 325
Estimated torque 350 ft-lbs
This was sent to me from the previous owner who did the re-build
It also has a roll bar and racing seats
set up for racing with camber 1.5 front and back
Still getting used to the ride
lots of power
lots of fun
thanks for any advice
wow not one comment on list of upgrades??
Post more pics...that'll get the comments going.
Posted by: Bruce Hinds Oct 16 2015, 11:05 AM
QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ Oct 16 2015, 09:49 AM)
Nice shopping list on the sb 327.
I'm just wondering with mostly all good engine upgrades...why did the builder leave the low performance 1.94 heads; when this cam + 600cfm carb. will work so much better with the 2.02 heads?
For these sturdy 4 bolt- main iron blocks I prefer the Chevy cam #3863151 hydraulic, 2.02 angle plug heads, roller rockers and pushrod guide plates. Nothing from China...all U.S. sourced parts
I can't speak for the builder, but I did the same thing with mine because the slightly smaller valves allow a faster flow for a better mix of air and fuel and better burn. This was a big concern for me since I was building mine in Colorado where the air is much thinner.
Even at lower altitudes unless you have high compression or are going to be running above 5500 rpm alot, there is little to no benefit from the bigger valves, they will actually not perform as well. At least that's what I've been told.
Do we have an SBC experts out there that can comment?
Posted by: Mueller Oct 16 2015, 11:17 AM
QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ Oct 16 2015, 09:49 AM)
Nice shopping list on the sb 327.
I'm just wondering with mostly all good engine upgrades...why did the builder leave the low performance 1.94 heads; when this cam + 600cfm carb. will work so much better with the 2.02 heads?
For these sturdy 4 bolt- main iron blocks I prefer the Chevy cam #3863151 hydraulic, 2.02 angle plug heads, roller rockers and pushrod guide plates. Nothing from China...all U.S. sourced parts
See those rims/tires? Do you really think that extra HP left of the table by using lower performance heads would be missed since I doubt one could put it to the ground?
Posted by: BIGKAT_83 Oct 16 2015, 11:26 AM
How does the power compare with the Subaru car you had ? Seems like a pretty nice car.
Posted by: Mike1981 Oct 16 2015, 12:00 PM
QUOTE(Mueller @ Oct 16 2015, 01:17 PM)
QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ Oct 16 2015, 09:49 AM)
Nice shopping list on the sb 327.
I'm just wondering with mostly all good engine upgrades...why did the builder leave the low performance 1.94 heads; when this cam + 600cfm carb. will work so much better with the 2.02 heads?
For these sturdy 4 bolt- main iron blocks I prefer the Chevy cam #3863151 hydraulic, 2.02 angle plug heads, roller rockers and pushrod guide plates. Nothing from China...all U.S. sourced parts
See those rims/tires? Do you really think that extra HP left of the table by using lower performance heads would be missed since I doubt one could put it to the ground?
Im not sure I understand
Posted by: Mike1981 Oct 16 2015, 12:07 PM
QUOTE(Mueller @ Oct 16 2015, 01:17 PM)
QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ Oct 16 2015, 09:49 AM)
Nice shopping list on the sb 327.
I'm just wondering with mostly all good engine upgrades...why did the builder leave the low performance 1.94 heads; when this cam + 600cfm carb. will work so much better with the 2.02 heads?
For these sturdy 4 bolt- main iron blocks I prefer the Chevy cam #3863151 hydraulic, 2.02 angle plug heads, roller rockers and pushrod guide plates. Nothing from China...all U.S. sourced parts
See those rims/tires? Do you really think that extra HP left of the table by using lower performance heads would be missed since I doubt one could put it to the ground?
Not sure I understand your comment
I think you are trying to say with a narrow body I could not install wide enough tires to take advantage of more HP??? Guessing
All I know about the build is the P.O. hired an Engine shop to build a track car that would not tear up the 901 tranny
Plenty of power for me
Posted by: Mike1981 Oct 16 2015, 12:13 PM
QUOTE(BIGKAT_83 @ Oct 16 2015, 01:26 PM)
How does the power compare with the Subaru car you had ? Seems like a pretty nice car.
Hello BIGKAT
Good question
the 2.2 suby had good low end torque plus the turbo helped on the high end
I have only driven to V8 once aside from getting it home
Different power delivery altogether still learning it
Does not feel top heavy like some have experienced
Very stiff chassis helps this
Much better in turns and curves due to it being a track car
Scary fast on straight away
Only had it up to 95 MPH after dark and thought better of it
I will report back once I have some seat time
Love the new 914
Thanks for asking
Posted by: Bruce Hinds Oct 16 2015, 12:16 PM
See those rims/tires? Do you really think that extra HP left of the table by using lower performance heads would be missed since I doubt one could put it to the ground?
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Like he said, you must be careful not to build too much torque into the equation when planning the V8 set up if you're using the 901. Cam, heads and even the exhaust can make a difference. By tuning out some of the low end torque, I'm still producing about 330 hp at 5500 found I really don't need much more tire than the 205/60 on 7x15's that I've been running on the rear.
Suspension setup is critical but done right a v8 can be very well done in a narrow body car. Sure I get some wheel spin starting out in second if I'm not careful, but once the clutch is out in any other gear it just seems to dig in and go.
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