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Posted by: mb911 Nov 18 2015, 07:11 AM

Just a quick introduction. I am picking up a 74 1.8 this weekend to do a 6 conversion on. I built one about 15 years ago but then sold it and had a 964 and a 911 turbo in its absence. I have since sold everything and have not had a porsche in about 3 years.

Technology has changed since my absence and was looking for a quick list of must do's when doing a conversion..

Thanks

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 18 2015, 07:17 AM

Welcome back to the madness and

There is a ton of information on this club site regarding conversions. Spend some time and all will be revealed. But, first and most importantly, we need to see pictures of the car and the usual rust spots. Welcome aboard.

Posted by: mepstein Nov 18 2015, 07:20 AM

lots of great conversion threads
lots of gread vendors and members
this site rocks!
Have fun!

Posted by: mb911 Nov 18 2015, 08:16 AM

I actually am buying the car from a current member and will post pictures when I get it back..

Just a little more information about myself. When I did my conversion I had CNC'd a bunch of intermediate plates and also made a bunch of engine mounts along with rear sway bar mounts.. I then built 914-6 headers for my car and then a muffler and all the sudden mkexhaust.com was born. I sold M&K about 3 years ago after growing the business to a point that it was time to sell. I plan to make some more parts for the 914 market but to a much lower level then M&K was.

I am really looking forward to this experience again. My first project will be 5 bolt conversion then I will be hand making steel flares off of paterns I have. Then on to oil tanks and engine mounts and possible engine sheet metal.

Posted by: Cracker Nov 18 2015, 08:22 AM

...and you're asking everyone here for advice? Is your real name "Dr. 914"? LOL

Welcome back.

Tony

Posted by: mb911 Nov 18 2015, 08:39 AM

Ha ha no not hardly.. I have just been away from 914's so long I need to relearn them. The reason why I chose this car is because of all the Porsches I have owned my 6 was the most fun car I had. The turbo was wicked fast but was dangerous at the same time to a point I said enough.. The 914 is just a much more forgiving car and its the only car that should be a "targa"

Posted by: mepstein Nov 18 2015, 09:36 AM

Is this Ben?

Posted by: Mueller Nov 18 2015, 09:53 AM

huh?

Only thing that has changed is fuel management and you had the some of the newer stuff in the 964 and possibly the turbo depending on the year.

The cost has gone up a lot, other than that nothing else is really different.

Posted by: mb911 Nov 18 2015, 10:21 AM

Yup

Posted by: mepstein Nov 18 2015, 10:30 AM

Awesome!

Posted by: porschetub Nov 18 2015, 11:32 AM

Good points,yea there is a lot info on a lot of sites but there is also lots of incorrect info out there ,my experience is the best info is on here and Pelican.
These conversions IMO have gone from being straight forward to more difficult in recent years due to original parts supply and cost,if you are doing a less than original conversion the aftermart stuff is easy enough to source but due to the limited market the parts really aren't cheap.
Judging by the amount of Subaru and V8 conversions being done many are finding -6 conversion is just too expensive,prices for good running donor motors for example have risen steeply in recent times so we are seeing more later 3.2 and 3.6 engines being used.
Buying a core motor and overhauling it can better option as you know what you have from the start.
If you have the $$ up front there are converted cars for sale for way less than the cost of doing a build,some I have recently seen can be real bargains considering the outlay of time and money by the sellers.
It is really hard to put an accurate cost on conversions unless you have a really clean car as a starting point,I feel I'am very lucky in that respect.

Posted by: RobW Nov 18 2015, 11:58 AM

If I were starting another /6 conversion, I'd map out the whole thing on paper so I'm happy with the results.

Enjoy!

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Nov 18 2015, 12:21 PM

Posted by: Dave_Darling Nov 18 2015, 02:11 PM

The basics really haven't changed. The availability of some parts has, but several vendors have stepped up and are making parts. Check 914rubber, for example.

The engines still mostly bolt up to the transmissions, though some particular flywheel/clutch combinations may need to be used. (For instance, a 3.0 or later motor needs a special "conversion flywheel" to mate with the 914's 901-based gearbox. Kennedy sells those.) Going with a 915-based box means you work out the mounting, shifting, and clutch linkage issues yourself, or pay someone like Wevo a bunch of money for a setup that's pretty well sorted.

Welcome back to the 914 fold. The li'l buggers really are hard to walk away from, aren't they?

--DD

Posted by: PanelBilly Nov 18 2015, 02:18 PM

Burlington WA?

Posted by: KevinGieg Nov 18 2015, 02:55 PM

Hey welcome and let us know when you fab
Those 914 six oil tanks.

Posted by: 11tenths Nov 18 2015, 03:31 PM

Holy Crap! One of the most revered 'blasts from the past' in the 911 world (MK Exhaust) takes a sabbatical and lands back in our 'World!

That has to be one of the most ringing endorsements for our little cars yet!

Welcome aboard Ben!

Cheers- Harry

Posted by: JmuRiz Nov 18 2015, 03:51 PM

Now we're talking!!!

BTW I have an old M&K to put on my 914/6 conversion...to whom should I send it if I want to modify it? Looking to do the rally-style 3rd pipe, in the stock location, put on my 2-pipe sport style.

Posted by: Mueller Nov 18 2015, 04:24 PM

Now kinda feel like an a-hole with my response

Looking foward to seeing your build....especially the flares.

Posted by: mb911 Nov 18 2015, 04:36 PM

I can do the mods. The new owner still has me do all of his mods anyhow for the m&k stuff anyhow..

Posted by: mb911 Nov 18 2015, 04:37 PM

No worries

Posted by: mb911 Nov 18 2015, 04:38 PM

I need to find a sample and then improve on it..

Posted by: mtndawg Nov 18 2015, 05:10 PM

Former 911/914 person here...I too am considering a conversion of my newest '75 for the future so I'm subscribed to what you're doing.

Posted by: mb911 Nov 18 2015, 06:54 PM

Should be fun.. I can't wait to get it home.. I am going to start posting pictures asap..

Posted by: raynekat Nov 18 2015, 06:54 PM

In the midst of doing one (-6 conversion) on my 1971. I'll be doing it half factory/half aftermarket. Factory oil tank/filler neck/lines. Aftermarket engine mount and sheet metal. Will have a 2.4 E/S MFI engine installed along with upgraded 901 tranny complete with 904 mainshaft and all the Guard tranny upgrades possible.

Posted by: GeorgeRud Nov 18 2015, 10:35 PM

Still one of the nicest projects out there as the final, sorted product is about the best ride you can have. I love my 911 Carrera, but absolutely go nuts when I can take my conversion -6 out for a spin!

Posted by: mb911 Dec 2 2015, 07:00 AM

Ok so an update..

I have the car though the seller was less then truthful as the pictures sent were not of the current condition of the car He replaced one rocker and did a poor job as he did not cut out all the old rust he then did not have the paperwork on the car and has since stopped trying to help me with that and the worst is he was a board member here)

The good news is that I know my way around Porsche's pretty well and I also am a welder Fabricator /instructor at a college, and the Paperwork issue has been solved with the help of a few on this board. I also have ordered a rear floor pan , new rockers, and have fabbed up the new front trunk floor with venting for the front oil cooler.

anyhow its moving forward.. I wish I could post pictures but every thing I try and post is too big so I have to learn to resize pictures.

Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 2 2015, 08:41 AM

One thing that has changed since you did your last 914 is the flares, there is now quality reproduction steel flares being made.
They are made by AA, but I'm a hater so I personally will never buy from them.

Restoration Design is your best source for repair panels and your steel flares.
RD has changed hands since you last had a 914. It's now a top notch supplier with many parts. Also it's now based out of Canada which is no big deal.
Ordering and shipping is no BS you will have the parts in your hands within days.

http://www.restoration-design.com/store/category/914

Posted by: mb911 Dec 2 2015, 09:03 AM

and the nice thing is right now their prices are cheaper the advertised. I am guessing because Steel prices are in the toilet along with fuel costs..

I am working some hand made steel flares right now on the english wheel and planishing hammer.. I will see how they turn out.. worst case is I buy them new from RD.

Posted by: Rav914 Dec 2 2015, 10:22 AM

Great mufflers Ben! I bought two for 911's I had about 10-11 years ago. Wonderful sound.

Posted by: Mark Henry Dec 2 2015, 10:45 AM

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=105728

Posted by: SirAndy Dec 2 2015, 12:37 PM

As far as /6 engines go, i'm partial to the 3.6L ...

Posted by: gms Dec 2 2015, 12:37 PM

If you need to look at any -6 parts I am just 90 min away

Posted by: Chris Pincetich Dec 8 2015, 12:08 AM

Posted by: JmuRiz Dec 8 2015, 09:12 AM

I'm sure you are...any ideas where to get a 3.6, 3.2 or 3.0 without paying an arm and a leg?
I'm beginning to wonder if my 2.7 may be a money pit if I have to do case work.

Posted by: ClayPerrine Dec 8 2015, 11:52 AM

Problem is, they are becoming unobtanium. I am currently looking for a 3.6 964 motor for my car. When they show up, they are going for over 10K in running condition. Long blocks are going for 7 to 8K.

If anyone knows where I can find a 964 engine, let me know. I have the cash on hand, but I can't find one.

Posted by: thelogo Dec 8 2015, 09:29 PM

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-3-6L-Engine-Rebuilt-w-1K-Miles-993-Carrera-95-98-15K-Build-/331658958344?nav=SEARCH

This is one expensive engine

And doesn't it take like 28 quarts of oil or something


I am assuming this is the max displacement /6 one

Can upgrade to but seems awfully overkill to me


Just to stir the pot


Is the 3.6 / conversion


performance. :




to be considered superior to

A equivalent 911

Posted by: ClayPerrine Dec 8 2015, 09:57 PM

They are WAY too proud of that one. It has been on the market for a year now.

Current price range for a conversion motor is in the 10K range. I have that waiting for the right engine.

Posted by: mb911 Dec 9 2015, 04:49 PM

Funny thing is I sold a 964 3 years ago had a lsd g50 and got 19 for the whole car and that was a hard sale.. It was a really nice Car.. Prices are crazy right now..

Posted by: wndsnd Dec 9 2015, 05:18 PM

Yes. I am there now... I resisted the case work and tried just timecerting studs but in the end had to tear it down again to do it right. The casework alone was expensive. Now on heads, thats another mortgage.

Posted by: Dave_Darling Dec 9 2015, 05:29 PM

There are 4-liter versions of this motor out there...

--DD

Posted by: ClayPerrine Dec 9 2015, 05:49 PM

That is what I am going to do with the one I buy... 4.0L. Got the pistons, cylinders and rods for it already.

Posted by: mb911 Dec 15 2015, 11:08 AM

here is the diamond in the rough.. Much rustier then it appeared but Not something I can't handle


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Posted by: 11tenths Dec 15 2015, 11:22 AM

Even your lawn spreader has Fuchs...

Posted by: 914_3.0 Dec 15 2015, 01:39 PM

Welcome to the madness!! I believe the 3.0 with the original 901 is actually the best combination

Here's a nice reference guide for the conversion, if you're interested. Cheers.

http://www.pelicanparts.com/914/914-6_construction_kit/914-6_construction_kit.htm

Posted by: Mueller Dec 15 2015, 02:34 PM

When my 964 got totaled about 4 years ago I go $18K from insurance and could have bought the car back for $5K, I'm sure I could have sold the Fikse wheels and perfect black interior for that amount

Posted by: mb911 Dec 17 2015, 02:33 PM

I am making progress. I have the outer driver side rocker on and the Jack post and reworking the inner long on driver side .. I am off of work now for the next 2 weeks so hope to get more done.. I am also finishing up my template oil tank and will fan up a working prototype next week.. I have a bunch of updates on my 914-6 oil tank fittings thread..

Posted by: mb911 Dec 27 2015, 02:32 PM

Driver side rocker is in.. The floor pan short section is removed.. The chassis stiffener is screwed in place.. Front trunk floor has been cut out and the replacement louvered floor pan has been fabricated.. I have sandblasted the engine lid, shift linkage, heater flappers, brake dust shields, all primed is aviation epoxy primer.. Was able to locate some steel flares, and a 2.4 engine that's will be picking up shortly thanks John and Rusty.. Making progress.. I will post pictures shortly.

Posted by: jmill Dec 27 2015, 03:32 PM

Awesome

I have parts for at least 2 cars boxed up on the shelves. If you looking for minor parts let me know. Chances are I have doubles and one is yours for the taking. The 6 conversion bits are about all I'm missing.

Posted by: wndsnd Dec 28 2015, 12:10 PM

Posted by: mb911 Jan 4 2016, 03:39 PM

Took the driver side door off today and sandblasted it. Omg why people Bondo over stuff like that is beyond me. Looks like a bit more welding to do.. Had to return my short floor pan for the whole half.. It will be nice when it's done but wow.. It's amazing how much these cars hide.. Good thing welding is my thing.

Posted by: wndsnd Jan 4 2016, 04:43 PM

Good Thing!

Posted by: bcheney Jan 4 2016, 05:37 PM

If I were doing another 6 conversion I would opt for the aluminium oil tank that Patrick Motorsports makes vs. trying to find a Porsche tank. I put a NOS Porsche tank in my car because I picked it up very cheap with many other parts from a guy who was liquidating and needed cash. I believe you will pay less and be happier with aluminum in the long run...

Posted by: mb911 Jan 4 2016, 05:52 PM

I agree buy one from me lol. Check my oil fitting thread. Making a run of 10 right now

Posted by: Larmo63 Jan 4 2016, 11:25 PM

Put me in line for an oil tank….

Thank you.

Posted by: wndsnd Jan 26 2016, 07:34 PM

Did you decide on putting a drain plug on your tank offering?

Posted by: mb911 Mar 14 2016, 01:42 PM

As I was waiting for the parts to cut today I found some time to Cleco on the flares and do a little welding..


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Posted by: mb911 Apr 13 2016, 09:50 AM

Well made some progress.. I have welded in some of the Gt chassis stifeners and cleaned some rust and painted with rust shield.. Its pretty waterey like por15 so got a run but that's fine I will have to sand before it gets color anyway.. I also built a stock looking six mount and a firewall reinforcement plate.. Will get some more work done on it shortly going to be off work for about a month coming up

Posted by: mb911 Apr 13 2016, 09:53 AM

Gotta fab or find the cap that fits over the door jamb nut plate.. Any idea s?

Posted by: mepstein Apr 13 2016, 10:22 AM

We were installing my oil tank and lines last night. Bob Russo took a break from working on the 962 to help us run the oil lines. He said your tank was impressive.

Posted by: mb911 Apr 13 2016, 10:35 AM

That's a great compliment.. It helps to fund the fun projects like what I am working on and am blessed to be able to provide the tanks in a cost effective manor so that the dream of a porsche powered 914-6 can be realized.. Not that there is anything with other power plants .

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Posted by: mb911 Apr 13 2016, 11:40 AM

Here are some other pictures of few projects as I was showing some students how to fabricate.. Probably the single best tool to teach on is a rusty car.. It gets students so excited to work with their hands and make something and be proud of it..

Posted by: mb911 Jul 19 2016, 04:37 PM

Been up to some more work.

I have the rear suspension done and powdercoated, Gt lid is done. I did that a bit different then others have done but I like the way it will finish off, front struts are done, I purchased front calipers from PMB (911 sc) , chassis reinforcement is almost all welded in.. I only work on it about 45 minutes a day to keep it exciting and fun.. Made 3 engine mounts copied from an original. Going to powder coat them to keep them from rusting. Then weld areas will be ground.. Making good progress.

Posted by: 396 Jul 19 2016, 04:53 PM

Your reproduction of the factory bulkhead mount is the best I've seen. A Big Congrats to you.

Posted by: raynekat Jul 19 2016, 05:23 PM

Are these mounts for sale?

Posted by: mb911 Jul 19 2016, 05:25 PM

Thanks I made 1 extra in case I need a pattern to make some for someone else.. I added some plug hole locations as well..

I need to send the original back with a reproduction for a special thanks to the lender.

Probably tackle the engine compartment next week. Too hot for rest of the week to weld and grind.

Posted by: mb911 Jul 19 2016, 05:30 PM

Here is the engine side before I finished and powdercoated it.

Posted by: mb911 Jul 19 2016, 05:31 PM

I could make you one if you wanted one.. Let me know.

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Jul 20 2016, 09:45 AM

Whoa........mad man cool

Posted by: mb911 Jul 21 2016, 11:41 AM

Thanks I appreciate the words of encouragement.

I installed my strut inserts in the 87 carrera strut housings today so that is done. The 6 engine mounts are all powdercoated and will pick up Monday and share pictures..

Picked up my other door I sand blasted and then I painted with epoxy primer and left at work to cure. Making good headway.

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Jul 23 2016, 08:50 PM

Posted by: mb911 Jul 25 2016, 12:45 PM

Finished the 3.. Powdercoated to prevent rusting and obviously where it will get welded will be ground 1st.

Posted by: mb911 Jul 30 2016, 12:03 PM

He'll hole done, just sprayed it with cold galvinizing to protect the bare metal. I have to check for pin holes and then decide if I am going to fab the engine shelf. I have been fabbing everything to this point but that piece looks pretty labor intense but not that I am being paid by the hour lol

Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 30 2016, 12:11 PM

Got my OG plus a nice spare returned Thanks

Posted by: mb911 Jul 30 2016, 12:20 PM

Great news and thank you for lending it to me.. Stupid me I had you original layed out on my firewall for height etc and I wirebrushed the marks off .

I should be able to figure out the height.. I am have been thinking though of making about 10 mounts to sell but I don't want to step on mad dogs toes

Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 30 2016, 12:30 PM

toes..others make mounts , others make tanks ,others do rust repair, others build engines , others make gas lines, others make the -6 rubber mount, others make replacement sheet metal, others rebuild calipers , others build wheels .....

reality is you will be an option for others who are shopping.. weld on

Posted by: rhodyguy Jul 30 2016, 12:30 PM

The red one is VERY funny.

Posted by: mb911 Jul 30 2016, 12:46 PM

The best part is I have a fixture to convert the 911 engine side mount into a 914-6 mount so could probably do the engine side conversion and the firewall side for about 275 powdercoated and it would look darn near factory.

Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 30 2016, 12:48 PM

The factory piece sits on the bottom pinch weld...comparing the one you made and sent me to the OG one your need to be 1.5mm above the pinch weld..


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Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 30 2016, 12:52 PM

lets just say I still have some other loaned parts to collect..
not Ben..thanks again for the spare..

Posted by: rhodyguy Jul 30 2016, 12:54 PM

I catch your meaning. And your drift.

Posted by: mb911 Jul 30 2016, 12:57 PM

That's to bad.. I always worry about not getting loaned parts back in a timely manner and timely is different to everyone.. I have some factory 6 heat exchangers that I will be working that are lent to me by Danny gets out this way and will be stopping by from time to time so that keeps things in check for everyone.

Posted by: 396 Jul 30 2016, 01:16 PM

Funny that the sidebar topic is getting items back on a timely basis. I bought an high end lawnmower from brother. He borrow it one day....that was 20+ years ago.

Posted by: porschetub Jul 30 2016, 05:48 PM

Appears to be spot-welded directly to the body ...wonder in how many places,mines a copy just like the on shown but is plug welded and the round cutout has been welded also.
Great pic thanks.

Posted by: raynekat Jul 30 2016, 08:20 PM

Ben:

Wonder if you can fab up the upper and lower sandwich metal plates on either side of the factory 914-6 rubber mount.

I know you've made the part that bolts to the engine and the other one that welds to the car, but I'm looking for the 2 smaller pieces that above and below the rubber mount.

Aesthetics are not important to me...meaning it doesn't have to look factory, just function as needed.

Not sure where I can get an example for you to copy or a "go by." Perhaps someone on this site has a set???

Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 31 2016, 01:53 AM

approx. 40 spot welds




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Posted by: sixnotfour Jul 31 2016, 02:29 AM

here is a version of the nut plate made the hard way for socalandy,,and the factory one below


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Posted by: mb911 Jul 31 2016, 05:27 AM

I sure could make them again would need samples.. Looks like it could be machined out of steel plate.

Posted by: raynekat Jul 31 2016, 08:14 PM

Some saint or hero needs to loan Ben his upper and lower sandwich plates so the rest of us mere mortals can use the factory-like set up. I'll pay the shipping....just give me your PayPal.

Posted by: mb911 Aug 4 2016, 10:39 AM

A few update pictures. I have a pile of sand blasted and aviation epoxy primed parts for the car now done. Also a student and I are working making the flares rockers out of steel. That part is hard for me as it only takes me a few minutes but the students much longer to make parts but they really learn allot about fabrication when they start building these types of things

Posted by: mb911 Aug 5 2016, 04:43 PM

Closer to finished product

Posted by: mb911 Nov 3 2016, 05:47 AM

Been a while since I posted on this thread.. I make small progress as I work on oil tanks and heat exchangers..

Posted by: mbseto Nov 3 2016, 08:11 AM

Early in the thread you mentioned wheeling out some flares, then later said you located some. Did you end up making any?

Posted by: mb911 Nov 3 2016, 08:32 AM

I made one rear and then found a great deal on a set so I bought a set..much easier

Posted by: mlindner Nov 3 2016, 09:19 AM

mb911, love your headers......any chance of making 1 1/2 for 2.2L engine sizes. Best, Mark

Posted by: mb911 Nov 3 2016, 12:02 PM

Possibly but not on radar right now.

Posted by: mb911 Nov 3 2016, 01:21 PM

Did this today.

Posted by: mb911 Nov 4 2016, 04:34 AM

And some parts back from the plater.. I like doing flywheels and brake rotors..

Posted by: mb911 Dec 3 2016, 02:37 PM

Son did some work on the car. He has never welded before but not much to screw up so perfect learning for him.

Posted by: jd74914 Dec 3 2016, 03:01 PM

That's awesome! I have some great memories welding with my dad and grandpa as a kid.

Posted by: mb911 Jan 7 2017, 02:04 PM

Well haven't worked on it much lately as been concentrated on shipping the 1-5/8" heat exchangers. I received some goodies though some 2.2 S pistons for my 2.4 , my heads redone and ported to 36mm ports both courtesy of Henry @supertec.

I will resume some welding this week and looks like I need to send the crank out for inspection probably case for a line hone both going to supertec.. Guess I need to make some new products to fund this.

Posted by: Steve Jan 8 2017, 02:40 PM

Lookin good!!! Can't wait to get my heat exchangers!!

Posted by: mb911 Jan 8 2017, 02:54 PM

Yours are 1 of the sets pictured..

Posted by: Steve Jan 8 2017, 11:28 PM

Yea!! Can't wait!!

Posted by: JmuRiz Jan 9 2017, 09:03 AM

Well...at least he has a good instructor!

Posted by: jmill Jan 9 2017, 10:44 AM

Are those S Pistons ceramic coated? I swear, every time I look at one of your threads it costs me money.

Posted by: mb911 Jan 9 2017, 11:31 AM

Yup.

Posted by: mb911 Apr 20 2017, 09:02 AM

All the major structural repair has been done so now floor pans and cleaning up underside and repair some bad areas (i know there are allot of those

Finished up rear suspension etc. Plated everything.. See some progress..

Posted by: PanelBilly Apr 20 2017, 09:41 AM

I see holes in the floor pans. Are you going to make lower seat mounts to give you more head room?

Posted by: mb911 Apr 20 2017, 11:34 AM

No needs a rear floor pan so this is the easy way for me to get in there and weld em up.

Posted by: pete-stevers Apr 20 2017, 08:26 PM

I sure like six threads
It warms my heart!

Posted by: mb911 Apr 23 2017, 08:27 AM

Things are coming together still slow but that is fine by me

Posted by: mb911 May 4 2017, 07:54 AM

So made some progress this week. I welded a bit more small repair areas. Waiting on a firewall and floor pan section and then I will finish the underside this summer for sure.


The case came in yesterday from all the machining. Looks great now lots of cleaning.

Posted by: mepstein May 4 2017, 01:44 PM

Tomorrow I'm sending you that long promised sideshift transmission.
Tried to clean the undercoating off and the steam pressure washer gave out after a couple minutes.

Posted by: Justinp71 May 4 2017, 01:53 PM

Totally Agree

Posted by: mb911 May 5 2017, 05:49 AM

Thanks everyone.

The trans I currently have is a core at best as the ears were broken off at some point and the gear lube is black as black can be so Mark you are helping me out big..

Yesterday I removed one of the 4cyl engine mount on driver side. Fixed some more rusty areas.. I am plugging away.

Talked to Henry on more parts for my engine. Going to have about 6k in parts but the engine will basically be new. The crank and bearings are the most expensive part and would make all of you sick. Good thing no timeline on this.

Posted by: mb911 May 5 2017, 11:51 AM

Spent a little time today blending the inner long I fabricated on the driver side. Turning out nice. I will post pictures soon..

Posted by: mb911 May 11 2017, 01:53 PM

Here are some pictures and updates.. Everyday been making a little progress. Go out at 5am work until 5:45 then leave for work so it is slow going.

The case was at supertec. The fan assembly I restored myself.. Almost done on driverside rust repair. Passenger side next week then waiting on firewall and a driverside patch panel from a member that is down for the count with a shoulder injury for a bit. [attachmentid=604
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Posted by: mb911 May 16 2017, 09:19 AM

So made some progress as the bottom flange lip on the tunnel was rusted . I need to just grind and blend it now along with punching a hole in it for wire pass through. Lots of grinding in my future

I also took some time to make some of the engine sheet metal. These 2 pieces and took about and hour.

Posted by: restore2seater May 16 2017, 11:54 AM

Any thoughts on selling engine sheet metal for a 6 conversion?

Posted by: mb911 May 16 2017, 12:15 PM

I think i might but not just yet...

Posted by: mb911 May 17 2017, 05:52 AM

Finished off the tunnel repair.

Posted by: mb911 May 17 2017, 10:01 AM

Made the hardest of the sheet metal pieces today. It is 2 pcs as i am not sure how else to make it without a die or having it look horrible. I will probably draw these up and have laser cuts made.

Posted by: mb911 May 18 2017, 02:09 PM

Another piece done.


Soon bigger sections will be done. Once the floor pan is on it will really look like headway is being made.

Posted by: mb911 May 23 2017, 01:28 PM

Finished all 5 pieces of sheet metal just need to drill and sand a few spots. Finished gt reinforcement kit on passenger side, have to grind and blend a bit.. Welded -6 oil line hook from mcmark on

Firewall soon as soon as tygaboy is healed he will ship me his and the rear floor pan will go on.

Received my latest batch of replated parts/ hardware today including my head studs for the engine and misc parts. Thats always fun..

I have about 4 more weeks that i will put in a 3-4 hours a week amd then a break for a while as i have some vacation coming soon.

Posted by: mb911 May 23 2017, 05:06 PM

Posted by: whitetwinturbo May 23 2017, 09:04 PM

.............love the look of new zinc plate

Posted by: mb911 May 24 2017, 05:41 AM

Mee too. Best part is that it is so inexpensive.

Posted by: mb911 Jun 3 2017, 10:24 AM

Found some pictures of my last conversion today.. Some of the details i want to do on this build. Though i am thinking black instead of red.

Posted by: 11tenths Jun 3 2017, 12:37 PM

And I thought clear filter tops so you can see the stacks was my idea.

May I ask what material you found to withstand the fuel/possible backfire environment?

-Harry

Posted by: mb911 Jun 3 2017, 12:45 PM

I used plexiglass from glass shop.

Posted by: mb911 Jun 3 2017, 12:48 PM

These cars i owned inbetween 914s and built the turbo from a 77s and built a 3.2 ss turbo engine.

Posted by: mb911 Jun 3 2017, 12:53 PM

Just went out for another hour and fixed the passenger side tunnel flange, lower corner of passenger long.

My issue is the stamping done on the bottom of the passenger long(inner) is really not easy to replicate so i need to think on that as that is what the floor pan welds too. I can patch it but I really only need a 1.5" 90 degree piece about 30" long but have to have the stampings to lool right.

Posted by: mepstein Jun 3 2017, 06:22 PM

The 964 looks so generic next to the turbo. It's partly the color but it really seems like porsche went the wrong direction with the cosmetics on that car. JMO.

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Jun 3 2017, 09:31 PM

This pic has me wishing someone would do rain hat carb covers in real glass. Just so sexy to look down on the trumpets...


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Posted by: mb911 Jun 4 2017, 05:28 AM

914rubber maybe a new product.

Posted by: forrestkhaag Jun 5 2017, 12:17 PM

We have injection moulding experts in the Urban Workshop / I will do a little asking on what would be the best Lexan or other clear plastic to form / most likely a copy of my rain hats....... hmmmmm $$???

Posted by: GeorgeRud Jun 6 2017, 11:57 AM

I'd think you'd want to use something non-flammable. I remember seeing the mess an original -6 was when a backfire ignited a stock plastic air box and the melted plastic was dripping down the carbs. Ugly to say the least!

Posted by: JmuRiz Jun 6 2017, 02:42 PM

+1 what GeorgeRud said.
My engine mechanic isn't a fan of pipercross filters because of this as well.

They flow great, but if you get them soaked in fuel and backfire...it's a REAL mess.

Posted by: mb911 Jun 18 2017, 07:25 AM

My engine sheet metal is getting powdercoated right now. Floor pan goes on this week. Drilled all the areas for the plug welds. Sprayed cold galv on all thw areas that are hidden. Did a bunch of grinding and blending.. Almost over the hurdle.

Posted by: mb911 Jun 20 2017, 08:29 AM

Here is a bottom long replacement.. You can see some of the previous owners repair. Gotta clean all of that up yet. Making good headway. Rear half floor pan starts tomorrow

Posted by: mb911 Jun 21 2017, 05:46 AM

And floor is tacked in.

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Posted by: GeorgeRud Jun 21 2017, 06:24 AM

Looking great! New metal always looks nice and the welding looks sublime.

Posted by: mb911 Jun 21 2017, 06:54 AM

Funny thing is I bought that floor pan 2 years ago.. Unreal it took this long to put it in place..

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Jun 21 2017, 10:09 AM

Posted by: mepstein Jun 21 2017, 11:37 AM

He's waiting on a piece from me

Posted by: tygaboy Jun 21 2017, 01:23 PM

...and on a chunk of floor from me, too. It shipped yesterday!

Posted by: mb911 Jun 22 2017, 09:35 AM

The best part is we just got a really nice pressure fed sand blast cabinet at work that I can blast it and make it really nice before install.

Posted by: mb911 Jun 22 2017, 02:33 PM

Pmb restored calipers came in the mail today.. So now just a few little brake parts to finish up.

Posted by: mepstein Jun 22 2017, 03:57 PM

What size calipers?

Posted by: mb911 Jun 22 2017, 08:34 PM

Front are A's rear stock.. Was Eric's suggestions.

Posted by: mb911 Jul 25 2017, 11:18 AM

Not much to report but finally have all of the engine parts back less cams. I may wait until winter to assemble that as still grinding amd welding amd don't want them to intertwine.

Posted by: mb911 Jul 27 2017, 01:41 PM

Spent some time today and welded in the firewall patch areas and prepped amd painted and ready for rear firewall. Decided I am going to leave the top half installed and sister up to the new firewall and plug weld to each other this will give the chassis a bit more strength..

Posted by: mb911 Jul 28 2017, 02:24 PM

And 1 half of the rear firewall on

Posted by: mb911 Aug 5 2017, 06:12 AM

So no updates just been working on my dd as I am off a few weeks from work was able to change cam and lifters in that as it is dod or displacement on demand and the lifters are worn out..





I did buy a new used set of cam towers from Henry @supertec so I can assemble the heads and get the engine back together as I need it for fixturing for some new exhaust..

Also testing the new -6 muffler is showing great promise.. Sound levels are perfect..

Posted by: GeorgeRud Aug 5 2017, 07:10 AM

Looks like you're not sitting around bored! It's always more fun to work on the Porsche than have to deal with a daily driver.

Posted by: mb911 Aug 5 2017, 07:47 AM

Thats for sure.

Posted by: mb911 Aug 5 2017, 07:24 PM

Made progress today.

Posted by: mb911 Aug 21 2017, 01:37 PM

So finally done with the flood damage repair, cam and lifter change out in my suburban, going on our honeymoon after being married for 18 years I am back at it it.. I fit the floor pan section in from chris.. I cut a bit too far in the wheel well but I can fix that easy enough..

Posted by: tygaboy Aug 21 2017, 01:43 PM

Ben - It's really coming along! The floor looks great... But man, that's a big ol' chunk of the car you cut out to fit it. Glad to see the car I parted is going to such good use.
Chris

Posted by: mb911 Aug 21 2017, 02:53 PM

Thats for sure its good that I have it braced pretty well..

Posted by: GeorgeRud Aug 21 2017, 03:49 PM

Looks great! Please keep posting pics of your progress.

Posted by: mb911 Aug 21 2017, 06:07 PM

Will do as I make progress.. I think my next project is to make a copy of your mid rise lift..

Posted by: mb911 Aug 27 2017, 12:22 PM

Well its tacked in.. Pretty happy with the fit. Going be really nice once welded and ground and blended. Thanks again Chris for the huge help.. Even if I would have bought a front floor pan from RD it would have not come with the metal I needed.. So i saved about 1/4 of the orginal floor pan..

Posted by: mb911 Aug 28 2017, 08:46 PM

And now its completly welded in.. Now to grind and blend

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Aug 29 2017, 10:22 PM

Posted by: tygaboy Aug 30 2017, 08:54 AM

Looking really nice, Ben!

Posted by: mb911 Aug 30 2017, 01:55 PM

Thanks guys the grinding started last night..i might do that some more tonight but if I take my time the results are better so slow as I go..

Posted by: mb911 Sep 3 2017, 01:58 PM

Taking the grinding really slow as if you rush it the seem will be noticable .. 1st step is to take the high spots off the weld with a 4.5 " grinder. Once thats done I use a die grinder with an abrasive wheel to further knock it down.. Next step is a blending disc and then check for any pinholes..

Once this is done only have half the firewall to weld on and the jack points and then done underneath the car..

Posted by: mb911 Sep 4 2017, 05:45 AM

And now other firewall half in along with tge chassis reinforcement plates.. I think welding will be wrapped up by the start of winter..

Posted by: mb911 Sep 4 2017, 06:57 PM

A little more progress.. The triangle jack plates are tacked on.. Once welded going to have a bunch of grinding to do..

Posted by: GeorgeRud Sep 4 2017, 07:39 PM

Are you going to install the GT stiffening panels in back as well? How about the inner longitudinal panel stiffening braces? With enough power, they might come in handy!

Posted by: mb911 Sep 4 2017, 07:52 PM

Yes actually both already installed. I have one other reinforcement to make that I see Eric shae does and I will do the same.

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Sep 4 2017, 08:19 PM

Posted by: mb911 Sep 5 2017, 05:57 PM

Grinding will begin tomorrow..

Posted by: mb911 Sep 10 2017, 06:34 PM

Took a little break from welding and grinding and put 1 head set together. I prefer to preassemble the whole assembly vs how waynes book suggests..

Posted by: mb911 Sep 11 2017, 12:36 PM

I need to now source the "freeze" plugs for the cam towers..

Going to finish welding frunk floor in with the louvers this week then put back on jack stands so i can do the trunk floor.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 11 2017, 06:02 PM

The other head set. 1st time I have used three bond but like it so far. Henry says it works great. Pictures of supertecs head refurb. These were done months ago and just finally getting them together.

Then attached is a picture of what I think I am going to go with..

Posted by: mepstein Sep 11 2017, 06:22 PM

I was thinking of shipping merging similar for my suby build. But I have to do it on the cheap so it will probably be a vinyl wrap.


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Posted by: mb911 Sep 11 2017, 06:39 PM

Thats very nice as well. For me its either some variation of red or black. Leaning towards black and I know I will have a ton of body work but I painted this car in my garage.

Posted by: tygaboy Sep 12 2017, 10:19 AM

Ben - killer paint job you did! If you want to practice paint a 914, I'll volunteer my car.
And you can't go wrong with black. It was always one of my favorites on a flared car.

Posted by: mepstein Sep 12 2017, 10:35 AM

First 914 I ever saw was a stock mid year car in black. Parked next door while my neighbors were having a party. Early 70's but I remember like yesterday. Ironic since I can barely remember yesterday.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 12 2017, 10:38 AM

Spent a couple hours this morning and welded the rest of the front trunk floor and then ground. Now to find pin holes and hammer out a few spots. I will wait until car is upside right to finish that.. Next week.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 13 2017, 06:09 PM

Rear trunk work has started..

Posted by: mb911 Sep 14 2017, 05:46 AM

And out with the old.

Posted by: mepstein Sep 14 2017, 09:25 AM

Go Ben go!

Posted by: mb911 Sep 14 2017, 04:19 PM

Thanks making headway.. Still thinking 90 of welding will be done in the next few weeks..

Posted by: mb911 Sep 15 2017, 12:23 PM

Took some time to redo rotisserie a bit.. Make it a bit more stable..

Posted by: mb911 Sep 15 2017, 12:24 PM

I should note this was a student fab project.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 19 2017, 05:05 PM

Latest batch from platers.. I am sure I will have fun sorting.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 20 2017, 07:23 AM

And a quick assembly of the pedal cluster freshly powdercoated and replated. It was really rough to start so looks pretty good now.

Posted by: GeorgeRud Sep 20 2017, 03:37 PM

Those do look nice! The level of restorations are amazing these days!

Posted by: mb911 Sep 20 2017, 07:32 PM

George the funny thing is this car doesn't deserve that level of restoration but its getting it because its fun.

Posted by: Lucky9146 Sep 20 2017, 08:00 PM

Following your thread and you are doing great work! The pedal cluster looks fantastic! and your metal work skills are impressive

Posted by: Dave_Darling Sep 21 2017, 11:35 AM

No hand throttle, then?

--DD

Posted by: mb911 Sep 21 2017, 12:07 PM

Need to do that yet.. Gotta find the parts..

Posted by: GeorgeRud Sep 21 2017, 04:00 PM

I think Mikey914 has them available.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 21 2017, 04:03 PM

I think your right..

Tomorrow I will cmm the crank /rods/ bearings to ensure everything is good for assembly..

Posted by: porschetub Sep 21 2017, 05:09 PM

Real easy to make....man of your skills

Used and old carb linkage for the ball and socket,so handy for starting and warming your engine up,really like mine.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 21 2017, 06:22 PM

Where does it connect too.? I need to see both ends so I can start planning.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 22 2017, 05:28 PM

And here is the shot of cmm checking roundness and diameter.

Posted by: tygaboy Sep 22 2017, 05:47 PM

Ohhhh... Very nice!

Posted by: mb911 Sep 23 2017, 05:20 AM

Confirmed that everything is round. Need to do plasti gauge to confirm clearance as rods were not torqued..

Posted by: mb911 Sep 23 2017, 10:24 AM

I know kind of a waste but powdercoated both sides of the muffler heat shield before installation

Posted by: Cairo94507 Sep 23 2017, 10:36 AM

Looks nice- not a waste in my book.

Posted by: raynekat Sep 23 2017, 10:43 AM

I agree....not a waste.
I went one step further and had mine ceramic coated.
Not sure if that will help keep the rear trunk temps down, but I thought it was worth a try.
Everything looking good.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 23 2017, 11:18 AM

Thanks everyone.. It is turning into a decent car.. Though it is a Frankenstein it will still be very nice when done years down the road..

Posted by: porschetub Sep 23 2017, 01:34 PM

Lever handle fits under the shifter in to a locating recess,handle go's up through the front of the shifter base,from memory my lever is the straight type,some are curved and maybe don't work,sorry don't know the year of my one.
Front guide piece for the rod fits in a hole that all 914's have (?),I didn't use a bush in this piece as per original and it works fine ,mines adjusted for 1500rpm.
I can measure all this up if you like as I have the assembly out of the car @ the moment .

Posted by: mb911 Sep 23 2017, 02:10 PM

That would be great with a few pictures.. I would appreciate it..

Posted by: 914forme Sep 23 2017, 05:39 PM

Ben,

Goes under the shifter base at the front. Now if your using a Rennshifter you will need to modify the base. Wish J-West did this for you.

But this is what I did to my Rennshifter to make the hand throttle work for me.



Everything else is looking great, your making nice progress

Posted by: mb911 Sep 24 2017, 10:24 AM

Ah I get it now... Guess need to find a lever..

Double checked crank vs rods with plasti gauge and though the picture is garbage it is perfect spec..

Posted by: cary Sep 24 2017, 10:28 AM

Ben, I don't think its a waste. Most I see are pretty raty and rusty.

Posted by: Larmo63 Sep 24 2017, 10:37 AM

I used an original 914-6 bracket, rod, and pedal part (with the flap.)

My lever is 911 and works great. Really handy for cold warm-ups.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 26 2017, 06:31 PM

Spent a few minutes installing a new section of metal.. Need to fab a few pieces to complete.. Next week though gone the rest of the week

Posted by: mb911 Oct 2 2017, 08:44 PM

Spent some time finishing rear panel and installing engine mount..

Posted by: maf914 Oct 3 2017, 08:00 AM

The discussion and photos regarding the hand throttle caught my attention. I guess I never really understood how the linkage was supposed to work, until I checked the system offered by 914Rubber.com. Here are the photos from Mark's (mikey914) site.




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Posted by: tygaboy Oct 3 2017, 08:09 AM

Little by little, it comes together...

Engine mount looks good on that shiny new fire wall!

Posted by: mb911 Oct 3 2017, 01:24 PM

Thanks coming along.. Slow progress but as I said welding still will be done primarly in a few weeks.. I think my new plan is to rough in everything, grind so things are close then epoxy prime so that I can better manage the bare metal and where I need to hammer , fill pin holes and reprime after shaping.. I am finding that if I don't do that the project sometimes feels like its not making progress..In reality it is.. Want it capable of being a roller by spring..

Posted by: porschetub Oct 5 2017, 01:47 PM

PM sent,

Posted by: mb911 Oct 5 2017, 06:21 PM

Thanks for help in the pm.. I am expecting to finish allot over the next 4 days then it will be time to work on the grinding again get it epoxy primed..

Posted by: drgouk Oct 5 2017, 06:23 PM

They should'nt be round, A big end bearing is lensed. Oil wedge at the parting face. bearing clearence is checked at the 12 oclock position with a dial bore gauge.

Posted by: mb911 Oct 6 2017, 12:06 PM

I was just for reference

Posted by: mb911 Oct 7 2017, 09:26 PM

My 13yo and I went and tacked on 2 flares tonight.. He was mad I didn't let him weld more.. I want to prevent extra work if possible..

Posted by: mb911 Oct 7 2017, 09:27 PM

Posted by: defianty Oct 8 2017, 02:30 AM

Nice work, I'm at about the same point in my build now. Getting the first flare on is a great feeling as you can really start to see how the car's going to look once completed.

Great that your son is taking a keen interest - I bet my step-son couldn't even tell me what car it is.

Posted by: 914dave Oct 8 2017, 05:33 AM

Looking good! Flares are a big milestone.

Posted by: mb911 Oct 8 2017, 05:51 AM

Thanks guys it feels good to not have them flopping around or just cleeco'd on.. Next is to clean up the area I have been working in as winter is coming I actually will have more room. Plus more parts are on the car then off on shelves and leaning against the wall(sheet metal) car is back on revised rotisserie so it is movable. Time to sell the sand blaster I have that I bought to use but end up using the one at work instead.. This will give me more room allow me to epoxy prime this winter..

Also you may note I fit the rocker on and these are my steel gt rocker flares. I actually need to cut and shorten the rocker by about 3/8". The flare arch is about that much wider at both sides of the arch.. I measured I swear a dozen times..

Posted by: mb911 Oct 9 2017, 05:32 AM

Last night my son and I spent another 2 hours on it.. My helper was tasked with scraping one the last spots of tar off the original floor.

Posted by: JOEPROPER Oct 9 2017, 06:34 AM

So now we see how all this progress is being made... Nice work!

Posted by: mb911 Oct 9 2017, 07:13 AM

when he holds parts/panels in place it goes so much faster. That said he wants to do more and I have to work to find things for him to do.

Posted by: tygaboy Oct 9 2017, 08:30 AM

Ben - Send him out here! Installing my flares is coming up on the to-do list and anyone with experience in that area would be great!

But seriously...

Thanks for sharing that pic. What a great thing: not only building a cool car but, more importantly, building the father-son bond. Just wonderful.

Posted by: mb911 Oct 9 2017, 09:21 AM

Chris happy yo share..

Regarding the flares I can share this wisdom with all of you. I had a pretty long conversation with George Hussey on these. He stated the best way to put the flares on is to clamp on to the narrow body arches a piece of steel in 3 locations and this will center the flare in the opening. I found this to be exactly the case. I also found that the gt flare arches are actually wider as I posted before. The flares really only fit on one way. I measured 11-7/8" on both rears at the same peak of the arch to the Gt chassis reinforcement. So proof in the pudding..

It took my son and I 1-1/2 hours to position and tack 2 flares on.. This was with some teaching/explanation along the way too..

Posted by: mepstein Oct 9 2017, 10:31 AM

So once he gets good at 914’s, he can start charging $100/hour to fix 911’s.

Posted by: mb911 Oct 9 2017, 02:43 PM

Lol yup ..

So today he welded the cross brace in with allot of guidence. Turned out nice..

Posted by: GeorgeRud Oct 9 2017, 03:10 PM

Spending this time with him is one of the best things you can do, and teaching him such a valuable skill is wonderful.

Posted by: mb911 Oct 10 2017, 05:28 AM

We both enjoy it.. He os already talking about the carpet install.. I think he is getting ahead of himself.

Posted by: mb911 Oct 13 2017, 12:04 PM

Well after allot of thought on how to reproduce the look of the factory inner longs as I used 14 gauge that I bent up I decided to reach out to a few that have done this and I came up with a simple buck.. My plan is to plug weld these over the longs.. I know that is how allot would do it as they prefer to hammer it out in the parent material but I cnc bent the longs and they were perfect so this is my answer. Also keep in mind this car won't ever be worth what a real six is or even a rust free original car..

This will be epoxy primed and then seam sealer over that and will be undetectable once completed..

The sample that is in the picture is 1st go at it.. Next week they will be more refined.

Posted by: mepstein Oct 13 2017, 01:02 PM

I’m almost done that piece of long I’ve promised you forever.

What color are you thinking.

Posted by: mb911 Oct 13 2017, 01:08 PM

Oh cool that would save time..

Still thinking black..

Posted by: mb911 Oct 14 2017, 08:25 PM

So spent about 6 hours over the last 2 days here and there with my son. He completed plug welding the tunnel repair to the floor pan and I did the hard part of butt welding the new flange to the tunnel.. We then welded the "cowl to pan" area where the cowl base meets the new floor pan area.. It is all secure now and now once again to grind the area and some cold galvanized spray.. Getting very close to being done with the inside of the car.. We also used the rapid strip wheel on the inner firewall.. My son complained about the sparks and dust but he did well .. Now my oldest is showing interest.. Probably a good bonding thing for all of us.. And thank god for grinders for taking care of beginners welding sins of youth..

Posted by: mb911 Oct 21 2017, 07:56 AM

So no progress will happen this weekend but I was able to sand blast some parts this week. Thanks Mark for the suspension parts off the 911.. .. This is the last of the parts that needed to be powdercoated..yeah..

Posted by: mb911 Oct 21 2017, 07:57 AM

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Oct 21 2017, 09:27 AM

farther & son

Posted by: bbrock Oct 22 2017, 02:32 PM

I somehow missed this post when it hit the forum. Probably because I was having dinner with the wife for our anniversary. I think this is a great solution. I wish I had built my bucks the way you did. 14 gauge plus these? She should be hell for stout!

Posted by: mb911 Oct 23 2017, 05:12 AM

Yes correct.. This will be over the 14gauge that's there already.. I think its a reasonable solution..

Posted by: mb911 Oct 25 2017, 04:52 AM

A little engine assembly. Took a break from welding and grinding..

Posted by: mb911 Oct 25 2017, 04:52 AM

Posted by: GeorgeRud Oct 25 2017, 08:20 AM

I imagine it will be nice to take a break from bending over while doing all that welding and work with nice, new parts at workbench level!

Posted by: mb911 Oct 25 2017, 02:42 PM

I want to get the engine closed up so I can clear some shelf space.. In pieces it takes up allot of space.

Posted by: mb911 Oct 26 2017, 05:04 AM

More progress this morning..

Posted by: JOEPROPER Oct 26 2017, 10:36 AM

A lot of progress in a short time. You'll be it before you know it.

Posted by: mb911 Oct 26 2017, 01:53 PM

The engine will be running before the car is driving.. My current time frame is a roller by spring with the underside finished.. I keep hearing that"we should move into the city" so I need to prepare for that..

Posted by: mb911 Nov 2 2017, 05:01 AM

Waiting on piston circlips so put the fan on just to get it off the shelf..

Posted by: mb911 Nov 4 2017, 07:28 AM

So a pretty slow week on progress this was hoping to have heads on but the piston circlips didn't make it to me yet.. Pretty disappointing but it is what it is.. I did button up any pin holes in the flares and weld on the driver side carpet hold downs.. Car is really coming along.. Very little welding left to do..

Posted by: mb911 Nov 9 2017, 02:36 PM

I had to redo a couple of case through bolt o rings this morning as they squeezed out.. Then had time to fit the 1st piston and cylinder before work..

Posted by: mb911 Nov 9 2017, 06:39 PM

And a few more tonight inbetween other tasks..

Posted by: ottox914 Nov 9 2017, 06:48 PM

That looks great. Always wanted to build a 6.

Posted by: mb911 Nov 11 2017, 04:49 PM

Did deck heights on cylinders 1,2,3 today and put heads on that bank. Waiting on shims for 4,5,6..

So I thought I would post pictures of my last 6. This what drives me to finish this car..

Posted by: Cairo94507 Nov 11 2017, 07:34 PM

MMMMM nice.

Posted by: mb911 Nov 12 2017, 07:25 AM

Was by far the nicest one I had seen in the Midwest ever..

Posted by: GeorgeRud Nov 12 2017, 10:24 AM

Great looking car! Converting a ‘73 or ‘74 Car is probably the best way to get a great -6 and it looks like you did it right.

Posted by: mb911 Nov 12 2017, 11:59 AM

This was a 75 chassis that was a roller from new mexico..

Posted by: mb911 Nov 16 2017, 06:31 AM

I spent an hour this morning torquing the heads/install 4,5,6 .. Installed the cam plugs(thanks Mark) and now just a few other things to tidy up as I wait for the rockers to be done.. I need to get back to grinding/some welding so that I can get this in primer..

Posted by: tygaboy Nov 16 2017, 09:04 AM

Dang it, that's pretty, Ben.
Every time I see a 6 being built, I question my decision to go with the LS...
Ah well, there's always the next project!
Keep up the great work.

Posted by: mb911 Nov 16 2017, 09:46 AM

Thanks Chris..

I also have notes written on the case as to order of pistons install and then actual cylinder locations and checks for install of circlips. This was done based off of when I have time and when I have to walk away to work on something else/family etc. I don't typically spend more than an hour at a time working on it and its hard to remember if you don't have notes..

Posted by: GeorgeRud Nov 16 2017, 08:21 PM

I’d need to have a torque marker to remind me where I stopped. It’s looking great!

Posted by: mb911 Nov 17 2017, 12:27 PM

I take notes along with the stuff written on the case.. This weekend grinding will resume.. Probably an hour left on the engine and then bag up until spring..

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Nov 17 2017, 08:04 PM

Posted by: mb911 Nov 19 2017, 06:21 AM

Got a little bit more done. Cams are in but don't have rockers on.. No engine cooler on yet. I need to have the one I have professionally cleaned.. Now done on the engine for a while.. Grinding is now ready to start..

Posted by: mb911 Nov 29 2017, 02:43 PM

So a little update but no pictures as of right now.

Restored the rear konis I recieved from michael.

Put the powdercoated springs on I got from greg

Shocks are complete with replated and repainted everything

Put the engine in the corner on a different engine stand until I am ready for it..

Welded in patch right by the roll bar above door handle pocket on driver side

Ground all the flare welds down and started hammering out with hammer and dolly. Heated a few areas that were not coming along.

Made reinforcement for rear suspension pick up ears

Now second guessing my rear trunk panel may have to buy a new one after the holidays are done..

Reassembly of replated and powdercoated seat rails..

Took apart the steering rack , cleaned, inspected and ceramic painted. Will reassemble this week with fresh grease

Cleaned the shop.. So making progress

Posted by: Lucky9146 Nov 29 2017, 04:14 PM

So just been sitting around eh? Wow! Great to hear you have done a lot there! Been following your thread keep up the momentum!

Posted by: mb911 Nov 29 2017, 06:31 PM

Thanks.. Trying to get the car a roller by spring.. Fingers crossed.

Posted by: mb911 Nov 30 2017, 04:42 PM

A few little pictures.

Posted by: mb911 Nov 30 2017, 04:43 PM

Posted by: bigkensteele Nov 30 2017, 08:42 PM

Just curious, did you rebuild the Konis when you restored them? I have a set dated 8/70 that I don't want to do anything to until I know the original style decal is still available. I haven't been able to find it anywhere, and I don't want to send these in for a rebuild if the label would be replaced with a newer one. These were made in Holland.

Posted by: mb911 Dec 1 2017, 06:20 AM

I was unable to find those stickers but the newer version sticker is available..

Posted by: raynekat Dec 1 2017, 07:12 AM

Carbone will replicate those for you if you can give them a good example of image and size.

Posted by: 914Sixer Dec 1 2017, 07:46 AM

I think SMC has the stickers for the Koni's.

Posted by: mb911 Dec 1 2017, 09:35 PM

Good to know..

Posted by: raynekat Dec 1 2017, 09:48 PM

Yep, on Sierra Madre....

http://www.sierramadrecollection.com/Koni-Decal-p16659.html

Posted by: mb911 Dec 2 2017, 05:29 PM

My oldest installed the 914 rubber seat adjuster handles onto the seats today. I machined the venturies yesterday and assembled the steering rack which I am not 100% happy with. Not as smooth as I think it should be .. Might come back apart..

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Posted by: restore2seater Dec 2 2017, 09:07 PM

What did you do to the steering rack? Did you use replacement parts from a kit?

Posted by: mb911 Dec 3 2017, 07:21 AM

Followed all the rebuild threads out there. There really isn't much that needs to be rebuilt. There are 2 bearings in there but I didn't replace them as they were smoth. Gonna take it apart again as I don't like it yet.

Posted by: mb911 Dec 7 2017, 02:25 PM

Order some new bearings for the steering rack as I was not happy.

Received my rockers back from c gar on the bird board. Henry at supertec did most of my work but I have known Craig for years and he does great work..

Cut out 2 rust spots on the front driver side fender and welded in patches. Plugging a few more pin holes on driver side. This side is almost done both inside and out.

Posted by: mb911 Dec 9 2017, 08:59 PM

A little welding, drilling and grinding with one of my boys..

Front fender almost ready to install.

Posted by: GeorgeRud Dec 10 2017, 08:06 PM

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Posted by: mb911 Dec 10 2017, 08:07 PM

The plan for the week is ship all the mufflers, oil tanks, and gt rocker flares and Also finish passenger front P.O. shotty repair redo. Some of it is ok but most of it is brazed and that sucks in my opinion.. I ground most of that down and hammered and dollied the dents.. Cleaned and zinc painted the bare metal.. Gotta weld a few areas and then ready for the fender.. This will help get the car closer to becoming a roller.

Posted by: GeorgeRud Dec 10 2017, 08:09 PM

Double post - sorry.

Posted by: mb911 Dec 11 2017, 02:50 PM

Pmb Christmas delivery..

Posted by: mb911 Dec 21 2017, 04:08 PM

So been picking away on things.. Started reworking a p.o. repair in the front passenger side front wheel well. Made some patch panels. Hammered a bunch out.. Now to deal with the brazed area from that previous repair...

Also a time out to make some tanks.

Posted by: mb911 Dec 21 2017, 06:52 PM

I know this doesn't look pretty yet.. You can see where previous owner repaired bu brazing a new section in.. I tried to make the 2 patches to the left out of 1 piece and to many compound bends.. The patches are blended pretty nice but need a bit more work.. Then hammer and dolly the brazed area.. Thought about cutting that area out and rewelding that but not conviced I can get all the brass out.

Posted by: mb911 Dec 22 2017, 09:56 AM

After allot of back and forth I have decided to order my last RD part needed for this car.. The rear trunk floor.. You may remember that I put one in out of a donor car but found some pinholes.. I ordered the 200 dollars worth of parts this morning and after the 1st of the year will get that installed.. I will have the front wheel well sorted by then.. Still thinking on the brazed section..

Posted by: GeorgeRud Dec 22 2017, 10:05 AM

What would have been the reason it was brazed instead of welded by the PO?

Posted by: mb911 Dec 22 2017, 10:58 AM

My guess is it was a repair in the early 80s and this was still a semi normal repair..

Posted by: bbrock Dec 22 2017, 11:32 AM

I've got several brazed patches from a PO that I'll be repairing in the near future. Had to have been done in late 70s/early 80s. Your brazes look nice compared with mine. On mine, they just slapped sheet metal over rust holes, brazed them into place, then slathered bondo to hide the lapped edges. Needless to say, they rusted out again.

Posted by: mb911 Dec 22 2017, 11:42 AM

So my thought is to use a cut off wheel to cut the brass out and will create a 1/16" square groove and then weld it up.. What do you think?

Posted by: mb911 Jan 4 2018, 05:43 AM

I was finally able to work on this last night.. I cut a square groove and then ground the brass off.. Welded it up and went well.. The inner wheel well is almost done.. I also welded on one of the 2 rear suspension ear reinforcements.. Went well as well. Plugged amd ground a few more areas.. Almost ready for epoxy..

Posted by: bbrock Jan 4 2018, 08:30 AM

Did you happen to snap any pics of this? I'm not sure I have it figured out in my mind, and might want to steal this approach.

Posted by: mb911 Jan 4 2018, 06:04 PM

I will take a picture this weekend.

Posted by: mb911 Jan 10 2018, 08:00 PM

Sorry haven't had a chance been extremely busy with work vut spent the last 2 mornings @5 am doing some welding and grinding all passenger side.. Went and bought a quart of epoxy primer, a roll of 8o grit for the da, and some kevlar reinforced filler for the weld seams. The stuff comes highly recommended as its 100% waterproof so no rust issues.. Getting very close to removing door braces..

New trunk floor is here and moving that direction next week..

Posted by: GeorgeRud Jan 10 2018, 08:04 PM

Glad that it’s moving along. Hopefully you have good heat after the weather last week.

Posted by: bbrock Jan 10 2018, 08:32 PM

https://www.amazon.com/Fibreglass-Evercoat-632-Everglass-Reinforced/dp/B0000AYHHN I'll be watching this closely. Sounds like a good idea.

Posted by: mb911 Jan 11 2018, 05:13 AM

This stuff

Posted by: mb911 Jan 11 2018, 08:36 AM

Completed one suspension ear reinforcements this morning.. Then off to work..

Posted by: mb911 Jan 11 2018, 08:38 AM

This is the p.o. repair area.. I cut the brazing out and welded now have to hammer it flat..

This is front wheel well passenger side..

Posted by: mb911 Jan 15 2018, 05:31 PM

So I feel like I am skipping all over but I try to get the big chunks done.. The passenger side wheel well is almost all hammered out but my shoulder and forearm are pretty sore(getting old))? So I moved to the rear trunk so I could complete 1 area.. I think I am not going use the whole RD piece as it makes for an odd weld joint.. So if you look close you will see where I cut a line.. I chose that as a good area to butt joint because its the edge and will warp less. I going to bring the RD piece to work and use the vertical band saw to cut a nice straight line then put the piece in the trunk anf scribe a line for final cutting..

I plan to get the trunk done this week and then back to the wheel well.. But will feel better once the trunk is done..

Posted by: mb911 Jan 15 2018, 05:32 PM

Also note this is the second trunk panel I put in.. The 1st one was from a donor car but was not acceptable to me finished

Posted by: mb911 Jan 16 2018, 02:47 PM

Just a little project that has been a year in the making.. I programmed everything today and thought you all would think its interesting.. This was done on a 130 ton brake press.

Posted by: Perry Kiehl Jan 16 2018, 03:12 PM

Up until MIG welders got affordable it was the fastest and easiest way to go.

There's a few places on the car where the factory used brazed seams. A weld joint will stress crack where a brass will not. Years ago shops would braze a horseshoe shim on a dented panel to pull it out, they brazed it because done right, it won't fail.

Posted by: mepstein Jan 16 2018, 03:16 PM

I like this.

Posted by: bbrock Jan 16 2018, 03:19 PM

Hmm, this runs a little counter to the logic I used to reinforce the clutch cable tube on my project yesterday. One of the braze joints at the front cracked and I added a series of tack welds to convince everything to stay in its right place. Wondering if I need to rethink that...

Posted by: Perry Kiehl Jan 16 2018, 03:56 PM

The problem with the clutch cable is age and stress cracks. I make a plate to go over the area, but I do weld it.

Posted by: mb911 Jan 16 2018, 04:09 PM

And now for some reason all my pictures are posting sideways..

Perry.. I still nees to call you.. Been busy..

Posted by: GeorgeRud Jan 16 2018, 08:16 PM

Looks great! Will you use the louver punch to make a lower panel under the oil cooler?

Posted by: mb911 Jan 17 2018, 05:13 AM

That part was actually done about a year ago.. Not sure yet what I will use the die for.

Posted by: mb911 Jan 20 2018, 08:06 PM

Trunk is done.. Well less the 1 overlay.. That will be next week.

Posted by: sixnotfour Jan 21 2018, 02:36 PM

6543 louvers


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Posted by: mb911 Jan 21 2018, 03:20 PM

In my fab class this week I am going to teach my class how to fab the front belly /oil cooler floor just because. Its a semi complicated part for the novice and they will think its cool that its for a porsche and they get to take it home to hang on their wall..

Posted by: Phil Plummer Jan 21 2018, 09:54 PM

Hi Ive a running 914/6 with a 3.0 im trying to find engine tin. Pls let me know if you know where to find engine tin. Im told the 3.0 and 3.2 engine tin wont work at all for a 914/6
Regards Phil

Posted by: Phil Plummer Jan 21 2018, 09:56 PM

Hello: pls let me know where i can find engine tin for my 3.0 conversion,Im told the 3.0 and 3.2 tin wont work at al for a914/6
Regards Phil

Posted by: mb911 Jan 22 2018, 08:04 AM

Restoration design sells the complete kit for about 900 or so and its a wonderful set that exeeds original parts in quality..mine won't be ready for a bit and mine are for the budget builders as the sheet metal is much more homemade by comparison to the RD piece..

Posted by: mb911 Jan 28 2018, 01:34 PM

Well busy times, working allot in my day job as we have a company coming into the area looking for 13k employees and have allot of people looking for training..

Then business is very busy and growing. A website is under development thanks to a member here that has been an absolute blessing.. The GT hardlines have consumed allot of time and money..

That said I gave in and bought 2 new sail panels from restoration design as while I was in there make it 100% right.. It put me behind by a couple weeks of my target but will be worth it..

I cut the passenger side off yesterday inbetween cerakoting some engine parts after repair for a customer.

Front wheel well has been a constat issue where it was brazed etc.. Almost done welding pits and grinding in that area.. Hopefully prime that area this week and mount the door on so can weld the fender on..

Posted by: mb911 Jan 28 2018, 01:37 PM

Oh and brace is in the trunk so that are is done.. Yeah.

Posted by: mb911 Jan 30 2018, 07:01 AM

And this mornings progress.. Was going to make it out of one piece but lent my brake out to someone and this will blend well enough once welding is completely done..

Posted by: bbrock Jan 30 2018, 09:15 AM

I've got a smaller patch in that general area coming up fairly quickly. Did you treat the inside of that cavity while it was open? Haven't decided what to do with mine. Always looking for examples.

Posted by: Dion Jan 30 2018, 09:35 AM

I really like the finish on those parts Ben. Looks great man.
Is Cerakote finish similar to powder coating?
I’ve only read a few things regarding its use. Mostly gun finishes.
Regards

Posted by: mb911 Jan 30 2018, 09:37 AM

Yup just cold galvanized spray after wire brushing it. Then use som galvaneel cut offs from the RD parts..

Posted by: mb911 Jan 30 2018, 09:40 AM

Cerakote is a ceramic paint.. I used it on my engine build as well. Its sprayed in automotive spray guns.

Posted by: Dion Jan 30 2018, 10:35 AM

A big step above the rattle cans then.
Thanks Ben.

Posted by: mb911 Jan 30 2018, 12:21 PM

Thats for sure.. it is rock hard and handles extreme heat.. does not discolor either

Posted by: jd74914 Jan 30 2018, 12:32 PM

Those parts look great! I've also been very happy with the Cerakote in the past. Pretty easy to apply and lasts forever.

Not to hijack but...For those who just need aluminum or flat black/white colors and want/need it in an aerosol can, Superior Industries Thermal Kote is also very good. It's expensive ($90/2 pack), so nothing like cheap autopart store sprays.

The temperature rating is a bit lower (1325F vs. 1600F), but it holds up really well. I regularly use it in burners that see >1450 F (bright cherry glowing color) and haven't had any flaking problems either.

https://www.superior-industries.com/thermal_kote_product_208.html

Posted by: mb911 Jan 30 2018, 03:55 PM

Interesting stuff. never tried that

Posted by: mb911 Jan 31 2018, 06:42 AM

Finished welding the area this morning and then ground it down 90% and cleaned and sprayed zinc brite over it.. It is a perfect repair for a hidden area with all the correct contours but doesn't require the finish that an external panel requires..

Posted by: mb911 Feb 1 2018, 06:51 AM

Woke up at 4:15 today went out and welded the sail panel on . Went well but have a bit to finish yet.. This will conclude my week of progress as busy the rest of the week but feel that I made progress.

Posted by: jmitro Feb 1 2018, 06:57 AM

looking great. sometimes it seems progress is so slow, but then you look back at all the baby steps and realize you're making big gains

Posted by: mepstein Feb 1 2018, 07:29 AM

You slept in till 4:15 - slacker

Posted by: mb911 Feb 1 2018, 09:22 AM

Too much on my mind I guess.

Posted by: Ecke Liebhaber Feb 1 2018, 09:30 AM

Looking good Ben.

I like the bottom brace, nice work.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 1 2018, 10:44 AM

Thanks.. Making headway..

Posted by: worn Feb 1 2018, 04:27 PM

A good braze is also better than a bad weld. You wouldn’t believe how easy mig made things.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 1 2018, 05:46 PM

True for sure.

So curious should the upper part of the door jamb be brazed? It was from the factory from what I see.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 5 2018, 04:24 PM

Didn't do any work this weekend. Up North at our cabin ice fishing

Posted by: mb911 Feb 5 2018, 04:25 PM

Posted by: bbrock Feb 5 2018, 04:29 PM

Nice! But how can you call that ice fishing without a 3-bedroom "hut" on the ice with TV and satellite dish? What kind of person just braves the elements like that?

Posted by: mb911 Feb 5 2018, 05:13 PM

We sit in the cabin and look outside for the flags to pop up..

We got skunked but found this on our hike.I think it is left overs from grandpa's farm years ago. He farmed and was the local school superintendent..

Posted by: GeorgeRud Feb 6 2018, 03:22 PM

Lots of cabins out on Lake Geneva and I don’t think any have fallen through the ice so far this year. It’s a great way to get through a Wisconsin winter (assuming you have some refreshing adult beverages to help you spend your time). Spring will eventually arrive, but it’s all about snow and cold this week!

Posted by: mepstein Feb 6 2018, 03:23 PM

Is that a 356 part

Posted by: mb911 Feb 6 2018, 04:01 PM

Lol I think its a an old school pulley..

Posted by: mepstein Feb 6 2018, 04:03 PM

You said you buried a 912, I didn't know if it ran in the family.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 6 2018, 06:18 PM

Yup thats true..

Posted by: mb911 Feb 7 2018, 06:06 AM

Woke up early for some reason again today so went out and got some more done. Brace out and fits as it should.. Need to work gaps a bit..

Posted by: mb911 Feb 7 2018, 06:07 AM

And my new GT oil lines.. Turned out great.

Posted by: mlindner Feb 7 2018, 07:00 AM

Your body work looks very nice Ben.....you could make a 914 Ice Shanty to drive out onto the lake. Best, Mark
PS just spent Saturday at Sebring with the Accumoto Motorsports team, great fun.

Posted by: mlindner Feb 7 2018, 07:05 AM

Ben, seeing your lower turbo valve covers. Have they been machined (modified) so removal is possible for valve adjustment with engine in car. Mark

Posted by: mb911 Feb 7 2018, 07:43 AM

Mark sounds like fun.. Almost finished accumotos heat exchangers for the headers they gave me..

As to the valve covers I did not.. I don't plan to do much valve adjustments while in the car.. I figure I will run on test stand etc then adjust valves then install in the car and it will take many years before I need to adjust again.

Posted by: bbrock Feb 7 2018, 07:54 AM

Why do those butt welds look "different" to me? Any chance you are using EZ grind? I'm circling in on that same repair and hoping to poach your process to make it truly invisible. There is a spool of EZ grind sitting down at the welding shop but I haven't committed to buying it yet. Thinking I could use any little help on this one though.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 7 2018, 08:52 AM

Sorry not easy grind just ER70S-6 .030.. remember I have taught welding for 17 years and welded my whole professional life so its experience..

Posted by: bbrock Feb 7 2018, 09:32 AM

Yes, I know. But I haven't so I'm looking for anything to compensate. That said, the weld on that skin looks like it sits up a little more proud, like maybe you turned down the welder a bit? Sorry to keep pestering you but...

Posted by: mb911 Feb 7 2018, 09:52 AM

Your not pestering at all.. I am set at the number 2 tap on my Hobart handler with about 75 on wirespeed.. This allows the penetration side to have good fusion as it will be ground flush..

Posted by: mb911 Feb 7 2018, 02:44 PM

Let me know if I can help any further.. I would be happy to talk through the weld set up as well over the phone so feel free to call.

Posted by: bbrock Feb 7 2018, 06:54 PM

Thanks, those setting help. I've seen my welding skills improve steadily during this project but those quarters will have a long length of butt weld to make disappear. I did notice that a lot of my earlier difficulty had more to do with being too timid with the grinder than the weld. I've gone back to some of those old welds and found I had still left the weld sitting proud of the parent material. When I know those off, most of the well blends away. Still a bit of shrink lines on those, but better than I originally thought. I know I can get it close enough that a very thin skim of filler would make it vanish. But hoping for perfection here. I may have to give you a shout.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 7 2018, 07:41 PM

Sounds good.. Let me know if I can help.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 8 2018, 06:51 AM

This morning I was able to get the front fender semi mounted. I need to pull into shape yet but the hood gaps is acceptable..

Posted by: mb911 Feb 8 2018, 03:11 PM

The fender has shrunk a bit so I imagine I will have to pull it around allot.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 17 2018, 03:09 PM

Well not much progress I was in Florida for most of the week then had to replace my DD as it was plain worn out with 207000 miles on it with a new lease.. Pretty happy with thr deal as very inexpensive.. Then Friday students made the louver panels and powdercoated them to take home..

Posted by: mb911 Feb 17 2018, 03:09 PM

Posted by: mb911 Feb 17 2018, 03:10 PM

Did do a little bit of fittment on the front fender.. Got allot of work to do there yet.

Posted by: GeorgeRud Feb 17 2018, 09:58 PM

Looks like it’s coming together slowly. It always seems like you find other areas to finish, but eventually the metalwork will be done and it’ll be off to paint.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 18 2018, 09:51 AM

Thats for sure.. I am trying to get the majore things done, welded, ground so I can epoxy prime before the humidity jumps up in spring. Then I can rework later as needed.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 19 2018, 12:40 PM

Cut the driverside sail off today.. Found a little rust.. Not sure if I should rebuild the ledge or cut it off as looks like a great spot to for water to sit.

Posted by: mepstein Feb 19 2018, 12:52 PM

Once you epoxy prime, you could probably hose it down with water every day and not have a problem. My feeling is the rust really resulted from the foam trapping moisture against the metal.

Posted by: bbrock Feb 19 2018, 12:59 PM

Worked on exactly the same thing over the weekend. I'm rebuilding mine as it looked like that shelf would provide backing for seam sealer and help prevent crap from flying up inside the sail panel. Also, where I live, that shelf looks like a necessary mouse barrier to prevent winding up with a nest inside the roll bar. If we don't pull our DD in the garage before dusk, then at least 3 mice come in with it.

I have a mystery on mine though. There was not any of the infamous foam inside my sail panels and zero evidence those panels had ever been replaced. Given the body work on the rest of the car, it's impossible to believe someone did such a perfect repair. Did that quit putting the foam in at some point?

Posted by: mb911 Feb 19 2018, 01:42 PM

That is strange.. Regarding no foam for you.. My thoughts were that I going to do an oil tank in the fender along with fender liners so if it is properly painted it might work out to my benefit.. Now note that thr other side had nothing like this so was it driver side only?

Posted by: mepstein Feb 19 2018, 02:12 PM

I cut up a ‘75 that had foam so I think yours was one that got skipped.

Posted by: bbrock Feb 19 2018, 02:20 PM

That makes sense if you will be adding a tank in there. Curious about your thoughts on the purpose of those shelves. They look like the are purely intended as a filler strip to close that gap to me. On mine, the driver's side is mostly in good shape - just a bit of rust at the rear edge. The passenger side is mostly rotted off. I made a replacement piece for it but decided I didn't like it and will make another. No foam on either side of mine. Strange, but I'm not complaining.

Posted by: bbrock Feb 19 2018, 02:34 PM

Here's a pic of my pass side. I'm assuming this looked the same as the driver's originally.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 19 2018, 04:58 PM

Interesting.. My car had zero evidence of that on the passenger side.. I will sleep on it but I may omit that as it screams a bad idea..

Posted by: mb911 Feb 21 2018, 06:37 AM

I put the other sail on today. Gotta finish weld but fit was perfect.. Great parts..

Posted by: Dion Feb 21 2018, 09:23 AM

Your not pestering at all.. I am set at the number 2 tap on my Hobart handler with about 75 on wirespeed.. This allows the penetration side to have good fusion as it will be ground flush..
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Ben, interpreting this as “low heat” and a faster wire speed for
this gauge of metal. I’ve been playing with settings.
Sometimes it seems appropriate and some not so.
It may very well be my technique and moving too quickly.
Just taking it all in. Thanks.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 21 2018, 10:27 AM

[quote name='Dion' date='Feb 21 2018, 07:23 AM' post='2581631']
Your not pestering at all.. I am set at the number 2 tap on my Hobart handler with about 75 on wirespeed.. This allows the penetration side to have good fusion as it will be ground flush..
[/quote]


Ben, interpreting this as “low heat” and a faster wire speed for
this gauge of metal. I’ve been playing with settings.
Sometimes it seems appropriate and some not so.
It may very well be my technique and moving too quickly.
Just taking it all in. Thanks.
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Wire speed is = to amps= heat .

Voltage is potential amps.

They work together much like a gear selection in the car.. Gas pedal is equal to the wire speed..

Hope that makes a bit more sense.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 22 2018, 06:48 AM

Was able to finish the welding on the sale today.. Now to hammer and dolly then grind flush. Also hung the door quickly. Gaps are pretty good. The front though is a bit far and from memory I remember it big so I need to address that..

Posted by: mb911 Feb 22 2018, 06:49 AM

Posted by: GeorgeRud Feb 22 2018, 09:39 AM

It looks like there won’t be much original metal left when you’re done! Should be nice and solid however with good metal everywhere. Keep going!

Posted by: mb911 Feb 22 2018, 12:30 PM

That is for sure..

Posted by: mb911 Feb 25 2018, 08:57 AM

Well nothing done this weekend as at an ice fishing derby and didn't catch a thing.. The plan for this week though is to try to do some more grinding and pin hole filling.. Gotta get this thing in primer..

Posted by: Cairo94507 Feb 25 2018, 09:58 AM

Hey Ben - the angle of that photo makes it look (to me) like the door is "stretched" about 6" longer than stock. I know it is not BTW.

Posted by: mepstein Feb 25 2018, 10:38 AM

Ben is building the 2+2 version.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 25 2018, 02:42 PM

Lol.. Funny isn't it..


Yes 2+2

Posted by: mb911 Feb 26 2018, 05:27 PM

I spent some time today cleaning up as I was vehicle less as the spray in bedliner was going on today. Did do a little hammering on tje2 welds to reshape.. Then brazed the top of door jamb as what the factory had done on my car both sides.. Pretty easy .. Tomorrow morning schedule is grinding.. Really running out of things to weld..

Gotta do the antenna hole and a small repair on driver side fender and then back to the passenger side..

Soon I have to figure out if a small portable sand blaster will clean up a few areas that I have not figured out how to get at yet..

Anyone have experience with the small units?

Posted by: restore2seater Feb 26 2018, 06:48 PM

Really? Your asking that question in this forum? Let the jokes begin.

Posted by: mepstein Feb 26 2018, 07:19 PM

We use the ~$80 harbour freight pressure blaster quite a bit. It’s needs a good bit of compressor behind it. You should do it outside. Use a hood and good respirator. #00 sand.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 26 2018, 08:10 PM

I have access to a small 5 gallon sized blaster.. Might try that.. I have a decent sized compressor that should work for the areas I need done..

Posted by: mb911 Feb 27 2018, 06:51 AM

This morning finished removing all of the braces and ground/blended/sanded. Still need to do more but if you see how I operate I try to do it in stages as to take my time.. I will next hammer straight the weld areas so I can further blend

Posted by: mbseto Feb 27 2018, 08:03 AM

Can you talk more about hammering the welds? I know this is standard practice, but just guessing as to why. Sinking the metal down so that not as much needs to be ground off to make it flush?

Posted by: mb911 Feb 27 2018, 08:58 AM

Basically what you are doing is stress relieving the heat affected zone allowing the parent material to be shaped as it should be then grind the high spots of the weld so a good blend can happen.. My concern always with a blend is that the parent material can get really thin very easily and possibly crack later this is why I typically don't go flush and will use a small amount of filler..

Posted by: bbrock Feb 27 2018, 09:03 AM

I have the HF 40 lb. blaster and it works well. I'm using crushed glass for media. My only problem is finding a hood that doesn't cost a fortune and doesn't fog up. I just bought one on Amazon that got good reviews but I haven't tested.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 27 2018, 02:56 PM

I wonder what kind of a mess it will make..

Posted by: mepstein Feb 27 2018, 05:42 PM

Do it outside or you will have a mess.

Posted by: bbrock Feb 27 2018, 09:17 PM

BIG mess. Before the snow flew, I was doing it inside an HF tent garage with a tarp laid down on the bottom. I was able to recover and filter most of the media for reuse. My last round of blasting with a tarp down on the driveway but no tent garage. I still was able to recover a lot of media. Cleaning media out of the chassis is work too.

Posted by: mepstein Feb 27 2018, 09:35 PM

Another reason to do it outside is you can turn on a fan. Even with a good respirator, it doesn't hurt to keep the dust from the sand moving away from you. We use the 100lb bags of sand. I think they are about $8 a bag.

Posted by: mb911 Feb 28 2018, 07:23 PM

Thanks for the insight.

Posted by: GeorgeRud Feb 28 2018, 10:13 PM

I wonder if that Dustless Blasting outfit that I see advertised on Velocity might be a nice way to go? Has anyone had any experience with their setup? Obviously, the operator can be good or bad depending on their experience.

Posted by: mepstein Feb 28 2018, 10:18 PM

It's not at all like the commercial. Its a waste of time and money on our cars. Our shop bought one before I worked there. It's currently sitting in a box in the closet. If it worked as advertised, we would use it.

Posted by: mb911 Mar 6 2018, 06:59 AM

Well after a week of very little work on the car I was able to hammer out the weld area in the recently welded in driver side sail panel. Ground a bit more. Second guessed my plan to not TIG weld all the panels on (remember a TIG welder by trade) then reaffirmed my decision as when panels are fused using TIG there is a recess in thickness and once blended the parent material will be paper thin..

Anyhow. Cut out the antenna area and took a scrap piece of galvaneel and welded that in.. All pin holes need to be fixed yet but the surgery is done there now..

Posted by: mb911 Mar 6 2018, 06:59 AM

Posted by: mb911 Mar 6 2018, 07:01 AM

And now just finish off a bit more with a little hammer and dolly action..And of course fill pin holes and blend a bit more..

Posted by: cary Mar 6 2018, 08:51 AM

I have a 40# HF tank with an upgraded hose. You'll need to upgrade to the HF deadman valve too. Watch the nozzle pretty close. If the tip wears down it will wear down the plate on the dead man.
Biggest issue is CFM. As soon as I got the new 27 CFM compressor all my issues went away.

Some day when I grow up I'll buy one of these.
http://www.texasblaster.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=24

Posted by: cary Mar 6 2018, 08:56 AM

Oh yeah.
I blast with #3 glass (20/46)
http://abrasive-equipment.kleenindustrialservices.com/viewitems/specialty-abrasives-blast-media/glassblast
10% discount on 10 bags or more.

Posted by: mb911 Mar 6 2018, 09:51 AM

Cary thanks for the input.. I am still undecided on what and how I will handle the metal prep for primer..


On another note finished the bracket today for the muffler group buy guys.. Now to have laser cut..

Posted by: mb911 Mar 7 2018, 06:41 AM

Nothing to take pictures of today but spent an hour this morning rough grinding some areas in the cabin knocking down welds from the inner long reinforcement, the tunnel flange rebuild , spot welds and then front trunk area, also welded pin holes in yesterday's patch and hammered that all flat and blended..

Made progress towards the goal of priming by spring..

Posted by: mb911 Mar 8 2018, 10:44 AM

Ground again this morning.. My goal is to finish the cabin area so it can be primed next week so I feel like I am accomplishing something..

Posted by: mb911 Mar 10 2018, 03:44 PM

Another way to get side tracked.. Sons 1st porsche..

Posted by: bbrock Mar 10 2018, 10:45 PM

There was a 944 that sat in a field 3 miles down the road from here that we would pass every day going to work for several years. I had to fight myself hard not to inquire about it and see if it was for sale. But I already had one Porsche rusting away in the yard and a million things more important to spend hard earned cash on. But it's always been a car I thought would be fun to have.

Posted by: mb911 Mar 11 2018, 11:15 AM

I have known a bunch of locals that have run their 944s year round for 100s of thousands of miles. I am very hopeful this will be one of those cases. Its crazy they only made 3500 in 88 and its only worth 600? Might be the next 914 and go through the roof price wise.

Posted by: mb911 Mar 13 2018, 11:32 AM

Well ground more this morning. I have given myself 6 weeks to finish grinding and prime.. That way spring humidity won't be an issue. Worked on my fuchs today.

Posted by: mb911 Mar 18 2018, 07:53 AM

Well my plans to clear powdercoat the wheels just didn't meet my expectations so sand blasted again and now off the my buddies wheel manufacturing company for powder paint in flat black then I will wet paint the silver..

Plan to finish grinding cockpit and door jambs this week so I can prime all of that..

Worked on my sons 944 and have spark , compression and no fire yet..

Posted by: mb911 Mar 22 2018, 05:47 AM

This week has consistent of grinding, filling pin holes in the cabin and door jams, I hung the cable system for my spray booth so it will be much like a shower curtain.

I ordered the monstaliner from magnet paints with a good shutz gun and hope to prime the cabin this weekend and maybe shutz the foot wells where there was weld repair to make the area sealed solid.. If I get the rear trunk prepped that may get primed as well..


Wheels still at powdercoater for the satin black, ordered the cerakote for the silver lips and pedals to give the rsr look..

Posted by: mb911 Mar 23 2018, 07:48 PM

Turned out pretty nice.. Almost ready for the rsr treatment.

Posted by: GeorgeRud Mar 23 2018, 09:52 PM

Those wheels like nice with just the powder coating. Might wait on further polishing to see how they look installed?

Posted by: tygaboy Mar 24 2018, 07:38 AM

Was thinking the same thing. That said, you'd have to be OK with the sinister look. Not a "GT tribute" look, but...

Posted by: mb911 Mar 24 2018, 07:48 AM

I feel like at the very least the lips need to be silver?

Posted by: Krieger Mar 24 2018, 08:19 AM

I have never liked the look of all black rims. To me it looks like somebody just took the easy way out.

Posted by: bbrock Mar 24 2018, 09:05 AM

make it 3. I think those rims look pretty awesome.

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Posted by: mb911 Mar 24 2018, 06:32 PM

Spent sometime underneath the car tonight wirebrushing all the gunk and old paint off getting ready for primer. I have 75% of the bottom ready got sore and tired so gave up for the night . looks good though getting there. Probably another couple of hours of paint prep for the bottom and engine compartment.

Posted by: mb911 Mar 24 2018, 06:33 PM

The fine work takes the longest..so that will be fun.

Posted by: tygaboy Mar 24 2018, 06:36 PM

Hey, I know that floor!

Gotta say, it looks a whole lot better than when it left here. Most importantly, it has a car around it again!

Seriously Ben, it's all looking great!

Posted by: bbrock Mar 24 2018, 06:37 PM

Wow! That looks great!

Posted by: mb911 Mar 25 2018, 02:22 PM

So while son #1 was working on the 944 I sanded the trunk today so good progress.

Posted by: mb911 Mar 26 2018, 01:26 PM

Wow must be getting old or out of shape. My arms and shoulders hurt from running the grinder and DA. I put a small skim coats of the evercoat kevlar reinforced filler on the weld seams on the floor today. Will sand down tonight and then continue DAing the rest of the week. Primer this week/end I hope.. Getting closer everyday.

Posted by: Dion Mar 26 2018, 02:26 PM

Floor looks fantastic Ben.
Wheels look evil, but I’d have to add a silver lip to them ( hell my Fuchs are polished, go figure). Ben my compressor won’t keep an air da going. Any suggestions on a good brand for
an electric version?

Posted by: mb911 Mar 26 2018, 02:56 PM

I have an Ingersoll rand DA. And a cheapo sanborn 60 gallon compressor I paid 450 from Menards about 10 years ago. Its getting tired and been through 1 motor already probably will make it thru my paint job and my sons 944 but its on borrowed time..

Posted by: mb911 Mar 27 2018, 05:56 AM

Sanded this morning for a while. The floor pan seams look pretty good. My monstaliner came yesterday with the daily ups drop off so excited about that. Gonna get some more epoxy primer today.

Posted by: mb911 Mar 27 2018, 02:54 PM

Made this today on our plasma table. Thanks to chris for the baseline dxf file. We did a few tweeks but its pretty cool.

Posted by: mepstein Mar 27 2018, 02:56 PM

Mounted on the front trunk or useful for sword play.

Posted by: bbrock Mar 27 2018, 03:37 PM

Very cool! Did you play music like this when you made it?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu2T85LNlrQ

Posted by: mb911 Mar 27 2018, 03:41 PM

Lol no.. Now I have to clean and tack weld all the pieces in place. Then paint it not sure with what yet.

Posted by: tygaboy Mar 27 2018, 03:58 PM

Ben - don't mean to hijack but what are the dimensions of yours? I did a couple of 4 footers and a "little" 2 footer.

I'd be interested in what you tweaked on the file, too. I see you eliminated the "shadow" lines under the spars. Did you make other changes?

I know I found some opportunities to improve some of the shapes but haven't been back to working on the art stuff for a while.


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Posted by: mb911 Mar 27 2018, 04:15 PM

Some of the lead ins and lead outs got changed, scaled it down to 16 inches .. Its very cool.. Its a great way to high light our welding program at school as we just integrated some new fab equipment this gets the students really excited..

Posted by: Luke M Mar 27 2018, 05:12 PM

That's some cool wall art..

Posted by: mb911 Mar 29 2018, 05:48 AM

Sanded 3/4 of the pan and trunk is almost done. Just have to rotate the car the other way to sand and grind the other side.. I know I keep saying primer soon and it is but prep takes along time.

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Spent a few minutes today drilling and fitting the plugs in the floor pan while my son was dropping the trans in the 944 for a fuel tank removal under my guidence. He says I am more of Ant and he Mike from wheeler dealer .. I laughed.

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Spent 2 hours last night grinding and blending and removing old paint from wheel wells , and above where the rack is located. Installed 3 more of the plugs into the floor pans. I am missing 1 and need to find that one some where in my stash.

My son and I pulled the trans and gas tank on the 944 Saturday. Those cars are much easier to work on then I expected..

Sorry no primer yet but its coming. Removing all the "overburden" is always more time consuming then you expect.

Posted by: bbrock Apr 2 2018, 10:56 AM

The suspense is killing me.

What did you wind up doing to strip paint and clean? I know you said wire brush to start. It is looking really nice!

Posted by: mb911 Apr 2 2018, 11:01 AM

Wire brush on the 4.5" grinder and then also the. Norton rapid strip wheel on the 4.5 inch grinder. Then DA with 80 grit.

Posted by: bbrock Apr 2 2018, 11:18 AM

Thought that might be the case. Those Norton discs are awesome. I bought a box (actually Black Hawk brand but I can't tell the difference) and love them. If it stops snowing long enough to put my tent up, I'll be wheeling the car out for some serious blasting and stripping.

Posted by: mb911 Apr 2 2018, 11:35 AM

Yes they work well use the wire brush for the corners.

Posted by: mb911 Apr 5 2018, 05:58 AM

Well cleaned/sanded/ ground more on the entire driver side of the floor this week and its ready for primer. Next week return to the passenger side and finish that side of the floor up.

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Posted by: Cairo94507 Apr 5 2018, 06:08 AM

Ben - That is looking very nice. Love seeing them nice and clean on the bottom.

Posted by: Tdskip Apr 5 2018, 08:50 AM

That is a cubic boatload of work...

Posted by: defianty Apr 5 2018, 09:16 AM

Nice and clean - good work Ben.

Posted by: mb911 Apr 5 2018, 11:19 AM

Cut this today

Posted by: mb911 Apr 6 2018, 06:03 PM

Finished the rack rebuild. Its better then previous .. I might look for a spare

Posted by: mb911 Apr 6 2018, 06:39 PM

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Posted by: mb911 Apr 16 2018, 01:15 PM

Slow progress lately. I did do more grinding and then removed 1 headlight. I did buy a fender from Garold that is near perfect and a factory replacement that Glenn and Garold cut off a parts car for me
To replace the Hodge podge passenger fender.. This will make it much nicer.

Bought some metal etch to apply in a few areas..

Coming along now..

Posted by: mb911 Apr 19 2018, 05:47 AM

Dug out the decklid as I start to head into the bodywork stages.
Also hammered out all the welds on the flares and then applied a very thin coat of the kevlar reinforced water impermeable filler about 1/16" thick on all the seems inside and out of the flares.

Posted by: mb911 Apr 24 2018, 06:49 PM

Super busy lately but spent some time hammering out the body as close as possible to be within max thickness of 1/16" filler. Then spread the kevlar reinforced filler to ensure no pin holes then sanded all the seams and applied some evercoat filler, cured and then I use a large bastard file to cut down the filler close. I will next sand a little bit and apply another thin coat of filler.. This is a nice way to ensure a nice straight blend..

Mark Epstein sent me some goodies including a nice porsche badge for the rear panel ala GT.

Also got my sons 944 running this weekend and making progress on all fronts..

Posted by: mb911 Apr 26 2018, 11:22 AM

A few pictures. Went wide on the band of filler to make sure it fills evenly.

Posted by: mb911 May 1 2018, 02:04 PM

Push through the majority of the underside so I could get the primer on yesterday.. Turned out pretty good. Now it will be to get the top side done and back to bed liner underneath..

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Posted by: bbrock May 1 2018, 02:36 PM

Milestone! Sweet!

Posted by: mb911 May 2 2018, 05:48 AM

Yes feel good about that.. Gonna need some areas touched up but at least its protected..

Posted by: mb911 May 3 2018, 06:02 AM

Sanded and prepped the exterior .. Will prime tonight. Yes there is a skim coat of filler.. Its not 1/2" thick so don't worry. The plan is to prime and let all the body work sit for a year or so.. This will allow any shrinking to happen over that period(winters are particularly hard on that) .. Once this is all primed the work doesnt stop still have the frunk to work with.

Posted by: Cairo94507 May 3 2018, 08:04 AM

Nice seeing it looking ready for primer.

Posted by: mb911 May 3 2018, 08:58 AM

About 3 years in the making to get to this point..

Posted by: bbrock May 3 2018, 11:17 AM

Are you going to spray with it on the rotisserie? I'm starting to try to envision the logistics involved when my car gets to this stage. I still have a month or so to watch yours and see how it's done.

Posted by: mb911 May 3 2018, 12:35 PM

Yup gonna do the rotisserie for priming.. I still need to prep engine compartment and frunk.. Trying to prime manageable chunks..

I want it rolling this summer.. Underside is gonna get the bed liner before too long.

Posted by: PanelBilly May 3 2018, 01:54 PM

Tape off all the places that you will mount parts to before you do the bed liner. This is especially important where there’s nuts welded in for the suspension. You can cut and peal the liner off when its dry, but it’s easier to do it when its been taped off first. Are you doing the engine bay too?

Posted by: mb911 May 3 2018, 02:22 PM

Thats good advice.. I will do that for sure..

Engine bay I am undecided.. It would be nice to keep it uniform.. But at the same time gloss paint makes it nice too

Posted by: mepstein May 3 2018, 02:28 PM

Gloss is much easier to clean than a textured finish. I’ve read of guys using a single coat of clear to make the bed liner easier to clean.

Posted by: mb911 May 3 2018, 02:42 PM

Another good idea.. Proper prep would be a must..

Posted by: raynekat May 3 2018, 06:02 PM

Sometimes these projects can really leak out into the future for sure.

Posted by: mb911 May 4 2018, 05:07 AM

Its about the journey.. Primed some more last night..

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Posted by: Dion May 4 2018, 05:22 AM

Pretty. Just like a factory “body in white” ready to be customized.
Very nice indeed.

Posted by: Cairo94507 May 4 2018, 06:46 AM

Nice indeed. That just has to make you feel good.

Posted by: mb911 May 4 2018, 06:53 AM

It does.. Though I know where more body work needs to be done it makes me feel better that the metal is protected from the humidity

Posted by: restore2seater May 4 2018, 07:34 AM

What kind of primer are you using?

Posted by: mb911 May 4 2018, 07:44 AM

Ppg epoxy..

Posted by: bbrock May 4 2018, 07:57 AM

Are you going to spray high build/surfacer before you leave it to shrink? I think PPG says you can cover it without sanding within 10, after which you have to sand. I was thinking on mine I could spray epoxy, then follow with surfacer, then relax, let it shrink, and take my time blocking. But I don't know if that really makes sense.

Posted by: mb911 May 4 2018, 08:00 AM

Brent,

Probably hold off for now. There is still extensive body work to do with the flares, welding in pin holes, etc.

I will do the bedliner in certain areas and underneath so I can mount the suspension.. Then next winter do more body work..

Posted by: bbrock May 4 2018, 08:01 AM

That makes sense.

Posted by: tygaboy May 4 2018, 08:09 AM

Ben - Congrats! Primer and bed liner...mmmmm.
(I can only dream about that part of my build.)
Thanks for the motivation.
Chris

Posted by: mb911 May 4 2018, 09:49 AM

Thanks guys.. I appreciate all the cheering and help over the journey.. Still would guess 2-3 more years to completion.. At the least.

Posted by: mepstein May 4 2018, 10:08 AM

Let’s not forget some parts you’ve brought to production.



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Posted by: mb911 May 4 2018, 02:03 PM

That's very true along the way allot parts side tracked me..

Posted by: David Billo May 4 2018, 02:46 PM

Yeah, that's great to be at that point in the project!

Ben, I'm interested to know the details of your paint setup, compressor, gun, etc. I'm contemplating doing my own paint eventually as well (probably year or two away) and trying to get a handle on what I'm going to need. It would be nice to avoid buying an insanely huge compressor just to paint one car. From what I've read, 80 gal, 5HP is recommended for non-stop spraying a typical car, but it seems easy with our cars to break it up into smaller sections and get away with a smaller compressor.

Posted by: mepstein May 4 2018, 03:09 PM

You can also rent a compressor if you're thinking its a one shot deal.

Posted by: gms May 4 2018, 03:49 PM

Getting it in primer always makes a project look closer to finished!
congrats Ben, see you soon

Posted by: mb911 May 4 2018, 04:24 PM

I have a 10 year old 60 gal 5hp sanborn compressor, a Sata hvlp gun along with an old binks hvlp gun. Painted 6 or 7 cars with this setup.

Works well.

Posted by: GeorgeRud May 4 2018, 08:58 PM

Ben, I don’t think you get to sleep between this project, your son’s car, your great parts, and work. I’m sure it’s great seeing the chassis finally in primer!

Posted by: mb911 May 5 2018, 06:21 AM

Yes sort of a balancing act..

As part of my full time job we have 4- 1 week dictated vacations per year and this week was one of them and you can see I made progress. Things won't happen as fast but expect bed liner within the week but have allot of other things to get done..

I really need to finish the engine and get it running on a stand.. Want to do a little muffler testing as well.

Posted by: mb911 May 6 2018, 07:30 PM

Sprayed bed liner today super easy .. Went after all the seams and repair areas 1st then a second coat on everything and then ran out.. Gotta order more.. Ugh..

Turned out way better in person... Very happy with it..

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Posted by: bbrock May 6 2018, 09:59 PM

Wow! That has to feel good.

I'm assuming that is bedliner you are spraying as seam sealer. How are you liking that?

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Posted by: mb911 May 7 2018, 04:56 AM

Yes.. I did put down the seam sealer from sem 1st let it cure in the regular spots then went and sprayed this over..

This stuff is stinky so it really is a summer doors open type of product..

Posted by: Cairo94507 May 7 2018, 06:30 AM

Giant step forward.

Posted by: tygaboy May 7 2018, 07:43 AM

Ben - Very excited for you! Congrats on a major milestone. As has been said before, getting any sort of even color/coat on our projects makes SUCH a difference to how it looks.
Every time I see someone take this step and then look at my build, I'm at once envious and motivated.
Great to watch your progress and thanks for the poke to get going on mine.

Posted by: mb911 May 7 2018, 01:36 PM

Thanks guys.. Still gotta wait on the quart I ordered to finish it..

This stuff still smells bad.. Wow..worse then paint IMHO.

Posted by: Dion May 7 2018, 06:41 PM

Man, that looks really nice.
Great progress, especially considering everything else you do!

Posted by: mb911 May 9 2018, 12:57 PM

Spent the morning driving down to meet Glenn to look at his collection and to pick a previously NOS replacement right front fender that he and Garold cut off a car for me.. Thanks so much guys..

The best part it I dont think I need to bare metal this fender..

Notice the red primer.. Its not rust..

Posted by: GeorgeRud May 9 2018, 04:59 PM

Starting to look like a car! You have to be getting excited to see it coming together!

Posted by: mb911 May 12 2018, 09:46 AM

Front fender tacked on .. Door was installed for fitting.. Getting closer to ready for suspension install..

Posted by: mb911 May 14 2018, 03:59 PM

I TIG welded the flare on this morning.. My opinion vs MIG is that the weld bead is just smaller so easier to shape etc. If you look back several pages you will see my son MIG welding and that was the point.

Then we worked on engine sheet metal samples..

Posted by: mb911 May 15 2018, 07:47 PM

Front fender is completely ground, and now a thin coat of filler.. Seam sealed. Making head way..


Onto finishing engine. Gotta fire that yet this summer for testing.

Posted by: mb911 May 21 2018, 12:56 PM

Started prepping engine compartment for paint. A few small weld repairs to do and remove the fan stand off. Takes a ton of time in this area to prep..

Posted by: mepstein May 21 2018, 01:50 PM

Are you using the relay board?

Posted by: Mark Henry May 21 2018, 01:54 PM

I don't have the relay board so I cut those brackets off.
Also for a /6 you need to cut the heat booster fan bracket off.

Relay board is a PITA for the oil filter and the bottom tank fitting. I made my engine harness with the correct connector, so it plugs into the main harness no board.
Booster fan won't fit with a /6.

Posted by: mb911 May 21 2018, 02:05 PM

I am undecided on relay board.. The fuel pump relay is my only concern.. Any thoughts on that? Mark what did you do for a fuel pump relay set up?

Re the booster fan yes the bracket is coming off.. I called it the fan stand off in my post.

Posted by: mepstein May 21 2018, 02:11 PM

I used the PMS 3.2 conversion harness to attach the engine harness to the chassis harness. I'm pretty sure the DME controls the fuel pump. Internally regulated alternator on the 3.2. Whatever that all means.

Posted by: Tdskip May 21 2018, 03:17 PM

Ben, shouldn’t the lower lip of that reinforcement metal be welded up?

Posted by: mb911 May 21 2018, 03:47 PM

Where are you talking? Can you attach a picture?

Posted by: Mark Henry May 21 2018, 04:30 PM

Ben I forget what engine are you using? carbs, FI?

Posted by: mb911 May 21 2018, 06:39 PM

2.4 s spec with carbs..

Posted by: Mark Henry May 21 2018, 07:32 PM

Right now I'm running off of the ignition, but I just bought a early 80's VW Rabbit CIS fuel pump relay. It runs off of the tach signal, if no tach signal it will turn the pump off. Starting isn't an issue as the carbs have enough fuel in the bowls to start. Only issue would be first dry bowls start, would be easy enough to install a NO push button switch.

Relay part number 321 906 059C the one I got has a 15a fuse built right into the top of the relay.



You could do a similar thing with a generic DTDP relay and run it off the oil pressure (idiot light) switch, but it won't be as fast reacting as the Rabbit switch.

There's also an inertia switch from a Ford (IIRC), but guys say it trips every time you hit a bad bump, simple to reset.


On how I made my relay board delete engine harness go to post #150 of my engine build thread. You can get the connector from member Perry Kiehl, he also makes full conversion harnesses.
Since I'm cheap I made a male connector by hacking a female connector from an old engine harness.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=229913&st=140

Posted by: mb911 May 22 2018, 09:16 AM

I did the same thing as you on my last conversion. Relay for sure on this one.. It just seems safer.

I will probably delete the board as suggested and either make my own harness or buy one from perry..

Gotta figure the regulator wiring out as well then..

Posted by: Tdskip May 22 2018, 09:35 AM

It looks like sealer is on that area now, rear suspension on the driver side the bottom of the chassis reinforcement plate.

Posted by: mb911 May 22 2018, 09:42 AM

Oh got you. I welded that up prior to sealer.. Just didn't take a picture of that.

Posted by: mb911 Jun 9 2018, 06:49 AM

Update

Fuel pump arrived, carb parts and distributor coming from supertec, worked on aligning sprockets on the engine, then went to time cams and discovered that the cam sprockets were a little worn so ordered new ones,

No real work on chassis as want to wrap up the engine so I can run it for some testing of products.

Posted by: mb911 Jun 9 2018, 06:50 AM

Test run stand in the making..

Posted by: mb911 Jun 14 2018, 05:54 AM

Cams are timed, put new sprockets on though felt the ones I had were good. It just seemed the thing to do. Then had my buddy powdercoat my sons phone dials and then I wet painted to rsr look on one of my 15x8 fuchs. This was done with water masking..

Posted by: Travis Neff Jun 14 2018, 03:29 PM

I don't normally like the all black wheels, but that matte finish with the bare aluminum center cap sure looks good!

Posted by: mb911 Jun 14 2018, 04:01 PM

I thought about doing that as well..

The good news its all paint so doesn't matter cost much to change things.

Posted by: mb911 Jun 16 2018, 06:18 AM

Here is 1 front strut assembled and the other 3 wheels with the water mask method.

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Posted by: Beach914 Jun 16 2018, 08:44 AM

Ben, what paints did you use to achieve that look?

Posted by: 914forme Jun 16 2018, 09:19 AM

Don't forget some of the CIS relays also have a built in rev limit function. Learned that the hard way going down the back straight of Mid-Ohio. Still below the red-line first time out. and I would drop power traced it back to the relays I was using. In my setup one powered the coil one powered the fuel pump.

I grabbed the relays from a my hoard of VW CIS parts from my previous Scirocco collection. Yes Ben I am back to using the term Hoard. When in Rome.

Posted by: mb911 Jun 16 2018, 10:07 AM

Matte black powdercoated then Cerakote silver mag ceramic paint.. Turned out pretty nice..

Posted by: mb911 Jun 16 2018, 10:07 AM

Lol I get that..

Also gotta get you dad's info. He said it is clear glass..

Posted by: mb911 Jun 16 2018, 07:31 PM

Put all the rockers in today and set valve clearence.. Was about 90 here today but shop was cool..

Exciting. Just waiting on distributor and carb parts now..

Posted by: mb911 Jun 20 2018, 12:18 PM

Trans all cleaned. My extra trans will get a complete cosmetic and internal restoration later on.

Posted by: 914forme Jun 20 2018, 06:37 PM

That is one light transmission it is actually floating to the ceiling.

Or you guys have some odd gravity in your parts.

Looks good Ben, I would leave it alone, but if doing any sort of painting you need to prep the Mag case for it, follow what the aircraft guys do, and you will be fine.

Posted by: mb911 Jun 20 2018, 07:39 PM

So far degreased, wire brushed, powerwashed, cleaned with scotch brite and brake cleaner.

Still undecided..

Posted by: mb911 Jun 21 2018, 03:09 PM

Firehawk AS tires mounted. Rated to 118mph which is fine for me until I decide a permanent tire wheel combo.

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Posted by: Tdskip Jun 21 2018, 04:22 PM

Thanks for the updates Ben.

Exciting.

Posted by: mb911 Jun 21 2018, 04:45 PM

Thanks. I am going to finish all the bed liner underneath the car tomorrow night then suspension can go in..

Posted by: Tdskip Jun 21 2018, 04:49 PM

You are getting really-really-really close.

What a journey.

Well done.

Posted by: porschetub Jun 21 2018, 04:56 PM

Would the starter cranking speed be enough to trigger that relay ?,my 87 GTI has what I think is the very similar relay and has the rev-limit built in with a plain rotor,comes in around 6400,some CIS Golfs have a different setup and use a rev-limiting rotor.
The setup in my Golf has a priming function to charge the fuel accumulator and the fuel distributor, the first time you turn the key ,after that the main and tank pump run up when cranking the engine,thinking this would fill my fuel bowls but I don't know what would cause the relay to prime in a carb application.
Been looking for sometime @ a safety solution and think this setup might be the go,if only I knew more about car electrics .

Posted by: mb911 Jun 22 2018, 09:53 AM

Yup I think I will try this..

Posted by: mb911 Jun 22 2018, 07:45 PM

Just finished up everywhere that needed touch up. And painted trans..

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Posted by: Travis Neff Jun 22 2018, 08:17 PM

I like the color you picked for the transmission. Did you end up doing cerakote?

Posted by: mb911 Jun 22 2018, 08:29 PM

Thanks used cerakote titanium only because I bought a sample of the color and had some left. Its a "rebuild" in a can so to speak.

Posted by: mb911 Jun 24 2018, 01:54 PM

Off the rotisserie. 1st time in last 2 years.. Thinking I might sell the rotisserie not sure yet..

Posted by: mb911 Jun 24 2018, 01:55 PM

Can't figure out why pictures are loading upside down etc.

Posted by: mepstein Jun 24 2018, 02:04 PM

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Posted by: mb911 Jun 25 2018, 10:09 AM

GT oil cooler set up has started.

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Posted by: whitetwinturbo Jun 25 2018, 09:38 PM

.............just got a pair of anti-gravity boots to help watch this coo build

Posted by: mb911 Jun 26 2018, 10:33 AM

Here is Finished prototype for front oil cooler. It will have a foam rubber seal up front and rubber washers top to bottom.. Now to lay out trunk for cutting.

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So I know welding is not done.. Making progress on the oil cooler though.. Happy about that.

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Posted by: bbrock Jun 27 2018, 11:40 AM

Wow! The fab work is fantastic but what really caught my eye are those plug welds. They are works of art. Those will look just like spot welds after paint.

Posted by: mb911 Jun 27 2018, 11:58 AM

Thanks.

Also note how my car was clipped on passenger side.. I know we have reviewed that but this is why I feel this is a perfect car for the build.. If I had a virgin rust free car I am not sure I could do all this cutting etc.. I also would have worried more about metal finishing.

Posted by: mb911 Jun 28 2018, 05:47 AM

Figuring out hose lengths.. Might neck down to 26mm cooler hoses. 30 is a tight fit..

Posted by: mb911 Jul 6 2018, 12:20 PM

Just got back from vacation and had some goodies waiting for me.

Thanks Mark E, Mark H, and Brad .. These are the last bits to get the engine started. Also not pictured is the 22 to 30mm fitting and the oil pressure gauge.

And picture fixed

Posted by: mb911 Jul 7 2018, 11:52 AM

Distributor just came yesterday along carb gaskets etc. Yeah..

Posted by: mb911 Jul 11 2018, 09:42 AM

Carb repair.. Drilled/tapped/loctite brass bushing for the drain plug..

Who said welders can't be machinist

Posted by: RektOne Jul 22 2018, 06:25 PM

We had a HF model for a long time. We recently upgraded to this wet blast cabinet: https://www.raptorblaster.com/wet-blast-cabinets/slurry-wet-blast-cabinet-rb4836s/. Good visibility, and works great for removing powder coating.

Posted by: mb911 Aug 2 2018, 05:02 PM

Today's update.. Finally got the factory replacement fender from Garold epoxy primed, got the flywheel on along with mounting the engine trans combo into the test run stand. Decided to just place the carbs and air cleaner on.. Good progress.

Posted by: mepstein Aug 2 2018, 06:00 PM

Drop the engine down to the floor, glass top on the metal frame, your done.

Posted by: mb911 Aug 3 2018, 06:21 AM

Very true.. Lol

Posted by: GeorgeRud Aug 3 2018, 09:09 AM

Just have to correct the snorkel position to the other side of the engine and it’ll be perfect! Truly would make an impressive (though expensive) table!

Posted by: toolguy Aug 3 2018, 09:31 AM

It looks like the snorkel has the 'warm air' tube for 911 applications. .

Posted by: mb911 Aug 3 2018, 10:41 AM

Yup.. Gotta grear deal on it.

Posted by: mb911 Aug 7 2018, 09:06 AM

Small project today.. Did get a great deal on some high quality semi H4 headlight housing for my eventual LED setup..

Posted by: Dion Aug 7 2018, 09:24 AM

Beautiful engine and prolly the cleanest e-brake handle I’ve ever seen.

Posted by: mb911 Aug 21 2018, 04:08 PM

Front oil cooler mounting is welded in. Needs a bit of finishing but another step forward.. Also note see the braze repair probably dating back to the late 70s or early 80s.. I wrestled with repairing that or leaving as is.. I may someday find a front clip or just the front panel to correct it.. I just felt for my semi race car /GT tribute it just was not worth it.. If the right parts come along that maybe something to do in the future.

Anyhow I TIG welded this in only because I was out of Argon /co2 for the MIG.

Posted by: Travis Neff Aug 21 2018, 08:52 PM

That cooler duct looks great!

Posted by: mb911 Aug 22 2018, 03:05 PM

Its a pretty simple design. I made a couple of them based off of my oil cooler which I am very impressed with the quality of. Much nicer then a setrab not that there is anything wrong with setrab just the cooler I have is built to supercar quality.

Posted by: mepstein Aug 22 2018, 03:54 PM

Do you think the front needs reinforcement now that there are two big openings in the nose and front pan.

Posted by: mb911 Aug 22 2018, 04:04 PM

I am not sure. With the duct welded all around along with the louvered floor welded the same I would think its pretty strong.. I think some just bolt them on the front opening and I think that is not strong enough..

Posted by: Travis Neff Aug 22 2018, 05:03 PM

I have the setrab unit from PMS and the replica GT ducting. Your design definately has all the air going through the cooler, while the replica setup will need a little work I think. Also has to add some strength back to the front end.

Posted by: mb911 Aug 22 2018, 05:58 PM

Yes never seen the PMS one in person. Do you know the dimensions of it (cooler opening)?

Posted by: Travis Neff Aug 22 2018, 08:25 PM

Dimensions of the cooler or the shroud? Gimme a few minutes and I will measure and take pics

Posted by: Travis Neff Aug 22 2018, 08:34 PM

Here is the cooler 21x4.5


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Posted by: mb911 Aug 23 2018, 05:08 AM

Thanks that is helpful to know. Mine is 24x6 so the factory style shroud wouldn't work.. I am going to make one from scratch it seems.

Posted by: mepstein Aug 23 2018, 06:14 AM

The truth is there was not just one configuration for GT's. I saw a recent Petrolicious article and it looked like a real GT with the oil cooler on the front of the bumper. As long as it works and looks good, I'm in.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 1 2018, 04:31 PM

Update:

Been doing allot of sanding and paint removal as of late both on my car and my sons 944. I stripped the hood for my car and removed all the headlights and wiring and started removing the undercoating that someone sprayed in the front trunk. Most of the nasty paint is gone. I sanded the rest.. I have a small section of the front bulkhead needs to be repaired.. The plan is to fix this area and get ready for epoxy over the next few weeks.

Mark Epstein has sent me some bumpers and I will doing GT treatment for both of us and sending out for chroming. I need to find out what size the plug was that Mark Henry did so that will be the next question I have..

Posted by: mb911 Sep 8 2018, 12:43 PM

Distractions..

Posted by: mb911 Sep 15 2018, 04:26 PM

Spent some time painting the cabin then the shock mounting areas so that I can actually roll the car around.. The color is saturn red which is the same color as my last conversion car.. I think I like it. Please note this is not typical order of things but nees to get the car more complete for spring. We (wife) keeps thinking of selling our country property in favor of moving to something with a smaller yard.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 15 2018, 04:27 PM

Oops and the picture.

Posted by: TravisNeff Sep 15 2018, 04:34 PM

ooh! I like the color

Posted by: sixnotfour Sep 15 2018, 05:01 PM

Tangerine....

Posted by: mepstein Sep 15 2018, 05:41 PM

I’m guessing Saturn red.

Congrats on the progress. Paint is certainly a milestone.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 15 2018, 06:01 PM

I think saturn red is very similar to tangerine.

Posted by: bbrock Sep 15 2018, 06:13 PM

You are going to need shades to work around that car! Nice! Which gun did you use?

Posted by: mb911 Sep 15 2018, 06:36 PM

The devilbiss starting line kit that you were looking at.. Typically I just use the Sata that I have but wanted a couple more guns so I could use 1 for primer 1 for color and 1 for clear.. I will probably rebuild my sata to be the color or clear gun before I do the exterior.

Posted by: defianty Sep 16 2018, 02:46 AM

Looking great Ben!

Posted by: mb911 Sep 16 2018, 05:50 AM

Also wanted to talk about the availabilty of the 70s porsche paints. @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=20845 had mentioned difficulty finding ppg shopline locally. This goes 1 step further. These older colors have not been converted to non leaded versions. My supplier had to call ppg directly to see if they have a "panel" that is sprayed out to do a spectrum analisyis on to come up with a modern color code.. Took some hassle but ended up with a 65 dollar qt of color versus not available or 150 dollar qt.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 20 2018, 05:45 PM

Got my noico noise insulation yesterday and starting to lay that out. Ordered the perlon back pad delete.. Plan to install interior soon then wrap it all in plastic. This is just to consolidate my parts.. Not 100% sure what seats I am going to use yet. The goal is to get it on suspension shortly..

Also worked on GT bumpers.. Out for chrome shortly.

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Sep 20 2018, 10:52 PM

.............that Saturn paint just POPS

Posted by: mb911 Sep 21 2018, 02:12 PM

Sons car front half painted with new free twist wheels..

Posted by: Dion Sep 21 2018, 10:19 PM

Colour is very rich looking. Nice progress Ben. Where did you purchase your
Noico sound reduction from? Thinking of giving it a try.


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Posted by: mb911 Sep 22 2018, 05:28 AM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=2766 the noico was on ebay 50 sf for 60 dollars. I am nearing completion of installing it and there is more then enough to do the whole interior plus inside the doors..

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Posted by: gereed75 Sep 22 2018, 06:16 AM

Congrats Ben. So much work to get here but all worth it I am sure. Really nice!!

Add in all the six conversion parts that you have designed and fabbed and the sons car - you are a serious machine!!

Posted by: Dion Sep 22 2018, 06:26 AM

Thanks Ben. Appreciate the link. I’ll give this a go.
Cheers

Posted by: mb911 Sep 22 2018, 07:04 AM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=15674 thanks.. Its amazing how much has happened during the timeline of this project. Also that I am already eyeing the next car. I would like to buy a nice as rust free project to squirell away ..

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=2766 your welcome.

Posted by: bbrock Sep 22 2018, 07:58 AM

FYI, what Ben showed looks to be the 50 mil stuff. I'm going to buy the 80 mil Noico on Amazon. 36 sq ft for about the same price: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00URUIKAK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=AXJ5VNOZL83GP&psc=1

Posted by: bbrock Sep 22 2018, 08:41 AM

Hey Ben, do you have any pics of your car with the masking still on? I'm trying to wrap my head around tape lines and paper placement for this kind of interior/exterior spray. It occurred to me that I may be thinking too much of my ancient experience spraying a car with an old fashioned high pressure suction feed gun where overspray winds up on the neighbors dog if he isn't covered up.

Never mind. Found good pics on @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=19557 's thread.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 22 2018, 10:54 AM

I was just concerned about all the contours etc so went thinner thinking I could double up in areas.

Posted by: bbrock Sep 22 2018, 11:45 AM

Good idea. I did a really rough measure and estimated about 28 sqft to cover all the floor space the factory tar covered. That's probably an over estimate but regardless, 2-layers of that stuff over most of the area should make for a quiet tub.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 22 2018, 02:58 PM

I am actually doing everything inside the cabin.. Thats why the 50 sf works well..

Posted by: mb911 Sep 23 2018, 09:14 AM

Just a little assembly . Again trying to make this a roller and not spens so much time on jackstands and not movable. A little PMB and 914rubber love here. Along with freshly painted and powdercoated parts. Special thanks to Mark epstein for the struts and hubs. Gonna install front a arms etc shortly.

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Posted by: mb911 Sep 30 2018, 06:16 AM

Almost finished noise insulation. I will go over seams with a foam rubber block to ensure tight fit then foil tape any joints. This will ensure a good seal and more finished look.

Posted by: mepstein Sep 30 2018, 08:16 AM

Looks like you got it covered.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 30 2018, 10:20 AM

Just about..

Posted by: bbrock Sep 30 2018, 06:08 PM

Sweet! Looks creepy quiet in there. I ordered mine earlier today along with a paint gun and 6 liters of Raptor. Been snowing all day and forecast has more of the same for the next week. Still hoping for enough Indian Summer to at least get the undercoat done. Probably jinxed myself by ordering paint supplies.

Posted by: bbrock Sep 30 2018, 06:08 PM

Deleted - double post. Internet has been flaky today.

Posted by: mb911 Sep 30 2018, 07:01 PM

I am hurring as well to finish sanding and grinding the cavity under the gas tank to get the front frunk area primed and possibly in color before gotta keep the doors closed for the winter..

Posted by: TravisNeff Sep 30 2018, 07:50 PM

Nice job on the application, shame to hide that pretty color!

Posted by: mb911 Oct 1 2018, 06:51 AM

Thanks.. I like the color.. I second guess myself but keep reassuring myself its the right color..

Posted by: bbrock Oct 1 2018, 05:11 PM

Just hit a similar snag. Went to buy a quart of DCC silver metallic. First, the computer popped up different formulas depending on whether you searched the codes for Porsche vs. VW. Neither formula is available in DCC. Both formulas can be mixed in single-stage Omni MTK. The Porsche color can be mixed in 2-stage Deltron DBC but the only 2-stage option for VW is Omni. I had the guy mix a sample of each and am going to spray out a test panel, but already I can see from the smudge dots he put on the cans that the Porsche formula has a richer metallic look. The guy said the Porsche formula uses higher quality toners and 2 metallic components vs. just one component in the VW color. Will make a decision pending spray out results but leaning toward Porsche at this point even though the VW formula is probably technically more correct.

Posted by: TravisNeff Oct 1 2018, 05:20 PM

I believe you want a 2 stage paint, that was from the factory on metallic cars. They used to do single stage metallics in the 60's and earlier. As for VW vs Porsche paint, I don't know much about that. i would assume the -4 cars got vw color and the -6 received the porsche color (but that is all a guess)

Posted by: bbrock Oct 1 2018, 05:31 PM

I'm going to pull this over to my build thread because I want to follow up but don't want to hijack Ben's thread.

Posted by: mb911 Oct 1 2018, 06:27 PM

No worries its all good. I have heard that before.. I do know the porsche and VW colors of the 70s had lots of lead in them and that is why little has been converted to new paints..

Posted by: FourBlades Oct 3 2018, 06:24 AM

Wow, great build, just finished reading through the whole thing!

This will be a top quality car when you finish it.

John

Posted by: mb911 Oct 3 2018, 07:21 PM

Thanks John. It will be a very nice driver car.. I am already thinking about what the next one will be .. I will start with a tub that is in nicer condtion next time.

I actually want to start offering conversions to clientswho want to semd me thier cars and I install all my goodies.. Well thats the plan.

Posted by: mepstein Oct 3 2018, 07:33 PM

I would be first in line but you probably want paying clients huh?

Posted by: mb911 Oct 4 2018, 05:55 AM

Lol yup to a certain extent.. My wife would wonder why the cars are coming from and why..

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Posted by: mb911 Oct 13 2018, 11:39 AM

Just an updated picture.. Replaced rear bushings very very soon it will be rolling.

Posted by: mb911 Oct 14 2018, 03:23 PM

Made a milestone today so I feel like I am making progress.. Yeah.

Posted by: bbrock Oct 14 2018, 08:32 PM

That looks awesome. How is it you get so much done? I'm bustin' my hump here while you are leaving me in the dust and fabricating parts for other people's cars right and left to boot.

Posted by: mb911 Oct 15 2018, 05:19 AM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=20845 it's mostly just bolting parts on right now.. That goes fast.. I need to get back at frunk paint prep.. I still am cleaning up PO repair area .. I have made the decision that because the car was hit and repaired back in the late 70s early 80s I am just going to clean it up and not reinvent the wheel.. That will save time but ultimately this car will not be to the level of your car when completed.. I like to think of this car as a track car that just is more street setup.

Posted by: mb911 Oct 20 2018, 08:21 AM

Got some goodies in the mail this week.

914rubber m/c and 15x6 Fuchs for a spare from Mark Epstein.
Ordered o-rings for the oil filter console,filters,turbo tie rod kit even brake pads in preparation for getting brakes bled. Completed my own oil tank after 3 years of making them for others..

Still waiting on my steering rack from tru-6..


Plan is to now move to wiring /plumbing engine for a test fire..

Finished these scavange lines after a year of back and forth and talking with fluid power folks..

Posted by: mb911 Oct 20 2018, 08:22 AM

This is the refurb of some orginal heat exchangers. Just going to run them for testing then sell them..

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Posted by: mb911 Oct 22 2018, 03:53 PM

Well not much happened today but did gap spark plugs and installed. My youngest son went for a "ride" in the car after school today. He says he is ready to start helping again now that he can help reinstalling parts..

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Posted by: Dave_Darling Oct 23 2018, 01:30 PM

Where does that oil filter console go?

--DD

Posted by: mb911 Oct 23 2018, 01:36 PM

I will have 2 filters one will replace the oil cooler and one still on the tank.

Posted by: GeorgeRud Oct 23 2018, 03:44 PM

Will you get enough cooling from the front cooler alone? BTW, that part looks amazing so I hope it does work well.

Posted by: mb911 Oct 23 2018, 04:09 PM

I have a huge front cooler even larger then the GT Cooler. I am going to put in fans to help cooling when at idle..

Posted by: mepstein Oct 23 2018, 04:16 PM

I'm doing the same thing on my 3.2 conversion. Cooling should be more than adequate. Air is outside temp, not engine compartment temp. Oil cooler is directly facing oncoming air, not relying on engine produced airflow. Cooler can be larger than engine cooler and a fan can be added to supplement airflow at low car speeds. You also get about 15% more air directed at the heads for additional cooling since the engine cooler duct is blocked off.

Porsche dropped the engine cooler and went solely to front cooling on their 3.6 engine before going watercooled. Why spend money on a front oil cooler just to use it as an axillary system when it can easily be the sole oil cooling system for the car. It also increases reliability by not using a 30-50 year old engine cooler.

I love the way Ben's mod makes it fit the stock oil lines. - smart!

Posted by: Dave_Darling Oct 24 2018, 03:27 PM

Holy 993 inspiration, Batman!

--DD

Posted by: mb911 Oct 24 2018, 04:12 PM

Here is the "control panel" for the engine test stand.. The gauges are out of a carrera so psi is not listed

Posted by: worn Oct 24 2018, 04:21 PM

That is some magic welding man.
What can be more straightforward than Barr? Multiply by 15 eh. For carpentry feet and inches makes more sense than meters to me. Beyond that though a degree Celsius or even Centigrade is ok.

Doesn’t the foil make it look real and making progress?

Posted by: mb911 Oct 24 2018, 04:39 PM

Yes it does thanks.. I feel much better about it.. It is gearing me up to take on conversion projects in the future for customer's.

Posted by: jmitro Oct 24 2018, 05:24 PM

looks good. front suspension photo looks really nice

Posted by: mb911 Oct 24 2018, 05:36 PM

Thanks. It's the fun part... Here is the panel installed.. Should be fine for running.

Posted by: mb911 Oct 25 2018, 07:57 PM

Throttle linkage setback . Need the correct one..the search continues.

Posted by: mb911 Oct 26 2018, 10:44 AM

Well this was a positive start to the day got the collapsible spare tire mounted cost $10

Posted by: JmuRiz Oct 26 2018, 10:52 AM

WOW, great price!!!

Posted by: Cairo94507 Oct 26 2018, 10:55 AM

Cool.

Posted by: porschetub Oct 26 2018, 01:30 PM

Interesting setup ,what mods do you do to the fan shroud ? remove the cooler trunking as its no longer required ?

Posted by: mb911 Oct 26 2018, 04:07 PM

I am just going to make a block off plate for where the cooler was.. I don't want to mod the fan shroud..

Posted by: mb911 Oct 26 2018, 04:09 PM

Yup spent too much money at the tire shop lately.. They are giving good deals.. Now to clean the wheel up..

Posted by: mepstein Oct 26 2018, 05:06 PM

It takes 2 block off plates. One at the end of the fiberglass shroud and one where the oil cooler sits - basically an addition to the engine tin.


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Posted by: mb911 Oct 27 2018, 06:23 AM

Mine is a rivited one for an original 911T or -6..

Posted by: mb911 Oct 27 2018, 03:26 PM

Everything is packed in for winter.. Pretty full .. Still room to work on multiple projects though.

Posted by: mb911 Oct 30 2018, 08:47 AM

Made some progress yesterday . keep ordering small item's like the Harrell nuts, wire, connectors, ashlock tach adapter, etc.. Tank is an old design with incorrect locations so I modified for my own use and cleaned and powdercoated.. Drilled a hole in the gussett for the oil line and installed the heat exchangers loosely. Will be running soon.. Still waiting on my steering rack.. Starting to get irritated on that but it is what it is..

Posted by: mb911 Oct 30 2018, 08:48 AM

Posted by: mb911 Nov 2 2018, 07:52 PM

Turned engine over tonight with no ignition on to build oil pressure.. Exciting.. Now finish more wiring.

Posted by: Dion Nov 2 2018, 08:08 PM

[quote name='mb911' post='2662559' date='Nov 2 2018, 05:52 PM']
Turned engine over tonight with no ignition on to build oil pressure.. Exciting.. Now finish more wiring.

Awesome stuff going on!

Posted by: bbrock Nov 2 2018, 08:19 PM

Posted by: mb911 Nov 13 2018, 07:15 PM

Not allot to report.. Had the engine running very shortly, changed some sensors to jive with the gauges, built a small fuel tank.. Gotta make a tool to tighten the the pressure sensor and then give it another go..

Posted by: TravisNeff Nov 13 2018, 07:26 PM

Your little contraption there is pretty damn cool! Once you get this going we want a video, no exceptions.

Posted by: mb911 Nov 14 2018, 06:31 PM

Thanks Travis.. I think my wife refers to it as junk and not a contraption .

Today I got this beautifully restored ZF steering rack from Shaun @tru-6.. This was to replace the rack that I had previous that just would not run smoothly no matter how much I worked through it..

Shaun and I have known eachother for years and we did a little bartering on this.. It's as new.. This will get installed over Christmas break.

Posted by: TravisNeff Nov 14 2018, 06:58 PM

Its always nice to oogle and freshly refinished parts with all the plating and such!

Posted by: mb911 Nov 15 2018, 07:39 PM

Got the engine running tonight though not well.. Great oil pressure so that's good.. Seems like I have the firing order off.. I am thinking recheck valve's, or plug wires on the wrong plug. Getting there.. Watching packers game so done for the night.. Made my fuel pump/spare tire mount..

Posted by: bbrock Nov 15 2018, 10:19 PM

Cool! I'm with Travis. I want video!

Posted by: porschetub Nov 15 2018, 11:52 PM

Hope you put in a fuel pressure regulator,even pumps sold as X amount of pressure deliver more than needed,mostly this is a real issue.
Valve clearances are rather odd IMO set mine motor out of car then checked after full rotation and they were out,reset and all great.
Plug leads are easy enough not telling you anything ,go well with your build.

Posted by: mb911 Nov 16 2018, 05:15 AM

https://m.facebook.com/groups/402029799831413?view=permalink&id=2249687078399000

This is the video..

Posted by: mb911 Nov 16 2018, 06:16 AM

Ordered the PMO regulator will be here today.. Fuel pressure defiantly could be the issue.. The engine just is unbalanced if you will with the way it runs but that likely is tuning..

I am just use to fuel injection.. I need to spend more time on the carbs .

Posted by: TravisNeff Nov 16 2018, 05:47 PM

Dual function tire mount and fuel pump cover all in one? Clever!

And on the engine vid!

Posted by: Larmo63 Nov 16 2018, 05:54 PM

Ben, please make certain that the plug wires are on in the right firing order.

Your project is looking great!!!

Posted by: mb911 Nov 16 2018, 06:16 PM

I was looking at waynes book for firing order and wire orientation.. I need to verify elsewhere as I seem to remember that being incorrect..

On a side note.. Check out my bumper I had Oscar chrome it thanks

Posted by: Dion Nov 16 2018, 06:24 PM

Bumpers look fantastic.
Regarding Wayne’s book...Really?! I was using that as
my reference. Ok time to check and verify elsewhere.
Moving along nicely Ben.

Posted by: mb911 Nov 16 2018, 06:36 PM

Mine are exactly as waynes book says but I seem to remember it's wrong..

Posted by: mepstein Nov 16 2018, 07:02 PM

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Posted by: Dion Nov 16 2018, 08:25 PM

Perfect ! I remember these pics, lost my bookmarks for them.
Thanks

Posted by: mb911 Nov 18 2018, 02:23 PM

Float levels have all been set for a base line(not running) I would run the fuel pump and noticed that there is gas weeping from gasket mating areas and believe that is a fuel pressure problem. Pmo fuel pressure regulator should be here today..

Posted by: mb911 Nov 19 2018, 06:11 PM

https://www.facebook.com/100025285101338/posts/298319411020893/

Runs much better.. Funny thing is the Exhaust guy(me) forgot a couple fasteners on the Exhaust studs..

Posted by: TravisNeff Nov 19 2018, 06:19 PM

The fb link no worky, your initial one loads up just fine

Posted by: mb911 Nov 19 2018, 07:06 PM

Strange..

Posted by: mb911 Nov 19 2018, 07:08 PM

Try this one..

https://m.facebook.com/groups/402029799831413?view=permalink&id=2255372777830430

Posted by: bbrock Nov 19 2018, 07:41 PM

Sweet!!!!

Posted by: TravisNeff Nov 19 2018, 09:08 PM

Awesome!! I am glad you all with projects are moving ahead even though its getting cold. Keeping me motivated!

Posted by: 914forme Nov 23 2018, 05:28 PM

That sounds really nice I can't wait for this to be on the street

Posted by: mb911 Nov 23 2018, 08:12 PM

Thanks everyone.. Now probably shelve the engine for a while and get back to front trunk..

Posted by: mb911 Nov 25 2018, 08:16 PM

Finished the corners of the trunk channel. I was going to buy the AA reproduction parts but they were $95 each side and I fabbed up the area in about 10 minutes and didn't need as much material as aim may.. Sprayed it with @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=20845 s secret rust conversion from home depot. The front trunk is now my focus for the next phase. This allows me to paint and then put steering rack in so can finally get it rolling.

Posted by: mb911 Nov 25 2018, 08:17 PM

Picture might be a bit too close to see detail but your just seeing the conversion turning to a black liquid like crust. Also not not cleaned up.

Posted by: mb911 Nov 29 2018, 06:47 PM

Freshly powdercoated axles and spare tire mount.

Posted by: mb911 Dec 8 2018, 03:26 PM

Finally epoxy primed frunk and windshield frame. Gonna let it cure and then prime with buildable/ sandable primer on the cowl and windshield frame.. Also gotta pick up a quart of bedliner this week to take care of some seams ala Kent and Bbrocks method.

Posted by: Tdskip Dec 8 2018, 03:30 PM

Looks good Ben!

Posted by: TravisNeff Dec 8 2018, 03:51 PM

Fabulous.

Posted by: bbrock Dec 8 2018, 03:54 PM

Yowza! That looks purty!

Posted by: mb911 Dec 8 2018, 04:06 PM

@http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=20845 quick question as you recently did this.. I read you can top coat epoxy within 5 days without scuffing. That said was thinking I might be able to spray surfacer on yet this evening. Never sprayed that quickly unless going sealer/base/clear. I don't believe it will be an issue but looking for some feedback.

Posted by: bbrock Dec 8 2018, 04:25 PM

I wouldn't think it would be an issue. I used PPG DPLF epoxy and the recoat time is 15 minutes and the time to topcoat is 60 minutes for 1 coat and 90 minutes for 2 coats. Unless the spec sheet on your paint says different, I'd think you would be good to go.

Posted by: mb911 Dec 8 2018, 07:25 PM

Well just sprayed buildable/sandable and sprayed out nice so we are all set.. I only sprayed on areas that will be externally seen and any spots that need attention.. Wet sanding /block will begine this week..

Posted by: rktmn247 Dec 8 2018, 08:00 PM

Looks great. You're really making progress!

Posted by: mb911 Dec 10 2018, 02:33 PM

Sprayed final coat of seam sealer. I used upol this time instead of monstaliner only becuase it was available locally. Upol/raptor is more runny then monstaliner but much more tame smell wise. I did find out that my local paint store actually rents the real deal sealer gun made by SEM. Too late though .

Now just a little sanding and then sealer and color.

Posted by: TravisNeff Dec 10 2018, 04:12 PM

Sweet! This is looking fine Ben!

Posted by: mb911 Dec 10 2018, 04:16 PM

Thanks @http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=447 allot of work to this point.. Moving towards the back of the car.. Will get steering rack in soon and then able to move the car around so I can get the engine bay done next..

Posted by: Cairo94507 Dec 10 2018, 04:32 PM

Terrific progress and work. Quite a step forward at this point on a build.

Posted by: bbrock Dec 10 2018, 04:40 PM

Looks good! Nice little trick Kent came up with there.