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Posted by: PanelBilly Dec 19 2015, 08:45 PM
I've been thinking about witting this thread for a while now. I think we may have the ability to influence the pricing of the 914. I realize that we base values on past sales, but I think that the asking price sets the expectation of the final price.
If early 911s can run for $165,000-300,000 then the 914/6 should be in the same range. Creamsickles and Bumblebees should be up there too and excellent /4 should all be over the $100,000 mark.
Posted by: Big Len Dec 19 2015, 09:21 PM
The seller's expectation of the final sales price doesn't mean shit.
I don't get your reasoning.
Posted by: Cracker Dec 19 2015, 09:33 PM
I get what you're saying but doubt it will ever happen (sorry). Regardless of the strides made, the 9-1-4 is still the "model" Porsche wish they'd never made - so to speak. This sentiment is very much still alive. Telling everyone to "get on board" and ask more for their cars isn't a strategy that will work. I'll never say never but...
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Posted by: Highland Dec 19 2015, 09:33 PM
Aren't lower values better for those of us who want to own, collect, and maintain 914's? 
Posted by: mepstein Dec 19 2015, 09:54 PM
Buyers set the price by either handing over their money or not. Remember, if 914's go high, people buy other cars that become more attractive price wise. Perfect 4's will bring strong money to a collector but the average price of a 4 has barely changed since I bought my 1st one 30 years ago. 6's have jumped but the $100k six is often quoted but rarely seen. Most seem to sell for $40-60k.
I think if sellers could strongly influence the selling price of a product, we would have never had a real estate crash. No homeowner wants to sell a house for less than than they paid.
Posted by: 396 Dec 19 2015, 10:37 PM
The seller's expectation of the final sales price doesn't mean shit.
I don't get your reasoning.
If there was only say 50 914 ever made, maybe one can position the price point for a 914 -4 / 6.
My impression of the current interest are due to two market conditions. The " entry " point for a Porsche, second and those that have the expendable resources to relive that "could have should have moments of the past "....like myself back in 83 I looked and touch the 914 -6 GT that Seinfeld currently owns for 25 k. I wanted to purchase it, but my better half reminded me that I will never sell it, the other comment was you already have a 914 -6.
Thus my opinion is similar to the above.
Posted by: 914_teener Dec 19 2015, 11:40 PM
Google the Theory of Value.
I like the word appreciation
Two different things
Posted by: boxsterfan Dec 20 2015, 12:09 AM
I want the price of 914s and their parts to stay low....unless I ever sell mine. And then I want the prices to go batshit crazy. 
You are all thinking the same thing...I just happened to come out and say it.
Posted by: wes Dec 20 2015, 04:02 AM
It seems to me it's a simpel old standerd of supply and demand!i
Posted by: somd914 Dec 20 2015, 05:24 AM
Ultimately the buyer sets the price.
Sure, we could form a cartel and ask crazy prices for our cars but:
1) There are plenty of owners/dealers out there who would under sell us.
2) Buyers would seek other cars such as 911 SC or 911 Carreras with many nice ones available for under $40k or 944s with nice ones under $15k, or...
Posted by: Greg914-6GT Dec 20 2015, 06:32 AM
It was nice to see so many people correct the 1st person that posted on this thread.
Posted by: RobW Dec 20 2015, 08:00 AM
Value is relative and flippers suck. If you don't drive what you have you're not an enthusiast. I'd give a spare part to a friend, but not to money changer. What does this have to do with value? Everything.
Posted by: Big Len Dec 20 2015, 08:32 AM
Sorry, didn't mean to sound like a crass douchebag.
I guess you're thinking that increasing the asking price of 914's will influence the overall selling price. Maybe might have an effect, but I don't see how you'd pull that off with so many different sellers across the country.
Having a far greater effect on rising prices is the Amelia Island honors, the PCA's greater welcoming of the 914, Panorama's articles on our car, even Walker's interest. Also, have you noticed the diminishing number of NARP quotes?
Posted by: Cal Dec 20 2015, 08:34 AM
IMO....the values of average condition cars will stay the same or slowly creep up over time mainly due to the amount that were originally produced. The real increase will be in the few exceptional / excellent condition original cars. The market for exceptional cars is driven by the hard core Porsche lovers / collectors that are now waking up and recognizing the true value of the 914. Exceptional cars are typically not sold on eBay or graigslist.....they quietly change hands for large sums of money that the general public isn't aware of.
Posted by: Cracker Dec 20 2015, 10:34 AM
Not correcting...just pointing the OP towards "reality". If he/she disagrees with my premise, I will not be offended. 
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It was nice to see so many people correct the 1st person that posted on this thread.
And to the person who doesn't care for "flippers/dealers"...I guess you don't care for Bruce Canepa of Canepa Design too? He's the ultimate "flipper"! Like it or not, it takes all kinds to make the car world go around.
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Posted by: thieuster Dec 20 2015, 02:29 PM
About 6 - 7 yrs. ago, the 912 was dismissed as the 'physically challenged 911'... missing two cylinders. Back then, prices were not too high. Nowadays, 912s are sold for serious money / sales prices we hadn't anticilpated at that time!
The 914s are on a T junction! Left turn: the model Porsche regrets having built - up to this day. (exhiblt A: at the Grand Opening of the World's First Porsche Classic Car Center last month, all models were represented, except the 914!). Right turn: the urge of people to be able to drop the keys of a classic Porsche on top of the bar... The 914 is the last and final Porsche within financial reach for many.
We don't know which way it will go. But there are some things to consider:
- 70% of all Porsches ever built is still on the road and Porsche want to keep it thay way by remanufacturing parts for ALL types. (dixit: Herr Brautigam from Porsche AG).
- Porsche is all about emotion. Nobody needs a Porsche, everybody wants a Porsche. Even a 914.
- Supply and demand: a lot of the 914s were sold to the US. A larger pond with more fishes to catch. Therefore prices in Europe (smaller pond = less cars...) are higher than US prices.
- Tone of voice: every time we, forum members, comment on high asking prices wtih 'too much' and 'I would never...', new buyers will take these words for truth and that will influence prices as well.
- The influence of Group Buys: over on the British Triumph TR forum, a rant is going on about the average age of the TR owners and the archaic attitude of the club. Peopel are walking away. Here: younger people join 914world, also for the wonderful GBs and the interesting CAD/CAM solutions for old problems. It's not only a matter of keeping these cars on the road; members here seek and find 21st century solutions for old problems.
- The generous way people are applauded for engine swaps, flares etc. Modding a 914 is not a dirty trick. It's part of the 914world! That's important for many people considering a 914.
- Finally: Magnus Walker... despite all un-important stuff about his character and driving skills written on this very forum, his name and fame will boost the 914 into new territory. If you like it or not. Better: his marketing skills will put the 914 in the spotlights. And that will raise new interest.
I see no reason why prices will stay the same. They will go up.
Posted by: stevegm Dec 20 2015, 02:38 PM
About 6 - 7 yrs. ago, the 912 was dismissed as the 'physically challenged 911'... missing two cylinders. Back then, prices were not too high. Nowadays, 912s are sold for serious money / sales prices we hadn't anticilpated at that time!
The 914s are on a T junction! Left turn: the model Porsche regrets having built - up to this day. (exhiblt A: at the Grand Opening of the World's First Porsche Classic Car Center last month, all models were represented, except the 914!). Right turn: the urge of people to be able to drop the keys of a classic Porsche on top of the bar... The 914 is the last and final Porsche within financial reach for many.
We don't know which way it will go. But there are some things to consider:
- 70% of all Porsches ever built is still on the road and Porsche want to keep it thay way by remanufacturing parts for ALL types. (dixit: Herr Brautigam from Porsche AG).
- Porsche is all about emotion. Nobody needs a Porsche, everybody wants a Porsche. Even a 914.
- Supply and demand: a lot of the 914s were sold to the US. A larger pond with more fishes to catch. Therefore prices in Europe (smaller pond = less cars...) are higher than US prices.
- Tone of voice: every time we, forum members, comment on high asking prices wtih 'too much' and 'I would never...', new buyers will take these words for truth and that will influence prices as well.
- The influence of Group Buys: over on the British Triumph TR forum, a rant is going on about the average age of the TR owners and the archaic attitude of the club. Peopel are walking away. Here: younger people join 914world, also for the wonderful GBs and the interesting CAD/CAM solutions for old problems. It's not only a matter of keeping these cars on the road; members here seek and find 21st century solutions for old problems.
- The generous way people are applauded for engine swaps, flares etc. Modding a 914 is not a dirty trick. It's part of the 914world! That's important for many people considering a 914.
- Finally: Magnus Walker... despite all un-important stuff about his character and driving skills written on this very forum, his name and fame will boost the 914 into new territory. If you like it or not. Better: his marketing skills will put the 914 in the spotlights. And that will raise new interest.
I see no reason why prices will stay the same. They will go up.
I agree.
Posted by: Cracker Dec 20 2015, 03:01 PM
I guess the new question is will the cost/value of 914's appreciate. The OP presented a case as to be on equal footing with the crazed early 911 prices. Two very different points. I agree that, just as they have to this day, 914's have appreciated and will continue to do so. I am still of the opinioin, however, that they will not climb the inflation ladder and look the 911 models square in the eye. Capiche? Lets keep the conversation on an apples to apples basis or clearly delineate the "new" opinion. Makes only sense when veering off on a branch of the original thought.
PS: I'm not "yelling" or upset, just sayin'...regarding the above. Very upset about below.
PS#2: While watching some youtube racing videos today, a MW video came up. NOW I realize why people were so critical of the A-Hole. This guy is any parents or grandparents worst nightmare on the road. I'm not talking about just a little joy-riding, I'm talking complete, utter disregard for human life. Any "grace" earned by his defenders (which makes NO SENSE at all with what I was watching - too many people drinking the cool-aide!) here went down the drain immediately. Either he 180's on his driving style, makes apologies publicly, and stops that nonsense or screw him. He is influencing young minds with judgement calls an 8th-grader would be ashamed of...what a douche bag! I had never heard of the fella prior to that big post last week...I'll forever ignore anything he does from here on out too. Outsiders make their life on our soil then try to bury us in it. Pathetic.
Before even thinking of defending this idiot watch this (and envision your family in cars around him)!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXdq3lGwrCk
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Posted by: billh1963 Dec 20 2015, 04:16 PM
Before even thinking of defending this idiot watch this (and envision your family in cars around him)!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXdq3lGwrCk
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Wow...pretty damn stupid stuff...
Starts off by speeding in a congested downtown area and goes downhill from there with street racing.
Posted by: boxsterfan Dec 20 2015, 04:22 PM
Before even thinking of defending this idiot watch this (and envision your family in cars around him)!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXdq3lGwrCk
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Wow...pretty damn stupid stuff...
Starts off by speeding in a congested downtown area and goes downhill from there with street racing.
Yep. Needs to keep that kind of driving on the track.
Posted by: toolguy Dec 20 2015, 05:11 PM
Seems like the overall sentiment for 914-6's here is they are getting overpriced. . . But then you run across ones that have been professionally restored by a business, who then has to recoup their shop labor prices as well as the ever increasing cost of the many rare and obsolete Six parts. . One thing to keep in mind, we are pretty much a group of owners who do our own work, thus cutting our overall restoration costs. .We are a minority. . there are plenty of people with disposable income who do not have that talent, and they are the ones who will drive the top end prices. .
Two cases in point. . .
Here is a listing for a Six .
Their asking is a smidgen over $150,000. .
Take a look at the pictures I looked at the car last week, It's a nice car, nice work but as they found out, original Six parts are getting impossible to find. . While some non standard and later parts used, and it's not the original motor or trans, but the cost of the finished products continue to rise none the less. .
http://www.makellosclassics.com/?p=12063
Here's one in Germany for $195,000
https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/porsche/914/1970/237277
Posted by: somd914 Dec 20 2015, 05:24 PM
The 914 is the last and final Porsche within financial reach for many.
All in all a well reasoned argument, but I have to disagree with the above statement:
924, 944, 928 for classics
996, Boxsters, Cayenne for modern
Still plenty of affordable Porsches out there.
But I guess my question is for all these "914's are turning to gold" threads, did you buy a 914 as investment or did you buy it to build, drive, and enjoy? Seems many are wanting/hoping to make it big on a penny stocks... If it happens, so be it, but for me even if the market collapsed, I'd still enjoy my cars and feel they are worth every dollar and hour I put into them.
Posted by: mepstein Dec 20 2015, 06:24 PM
The 914 is the last and final Porsche within financial reach for many.
All in all a well reasoned argument, but I have to disagree with the above statement:
924, 944, 928 for classics
996, Boxsters, Cayenne for modern
Still plenty of affordable Porsches out there.
But I guess my question is for all these "914's are turning to gold" threads, did you buy a 914 as investment or did you buy it to build, drive, and enjoy? Seems many are wanting/hoping to make it big on a penny stocks... If it happens, so be it, but for me even if the market collapsed, I'd still enjoy my cars and feel they are worth every dollar and hour I put into them.
I hope it collapses, I want a couple more.
Posted by: turk22 Dec 20 2015, 09:08 PM
I would like my car to appreciate. Its not why I bought it, but I reasoned that at the price I paid, I would probably never lose money on it, if I was faithful to the originality and was a good owner.
Reality is that the best cars will appreciate, and the others will not, just the nature of 40 year old models that they don't make any longer.
Posted by: wes Dec 20 2015, 10:33 PM
I sapose that if the day comes I want to sell mine I'll want them to suddenly turn to gold but my first one was a deal at $700 and I'd drove it for five years with not a lot of repair (problely just lucky) and in that time totally fell in love with them. Never felt I had an investment just a very fun inexpensive car that seemingly no one carerd to work on. Now I'm in Thailand for the holidays and talking one of my wife's nephews probly 20 21 young anyways only know's Porsche to be a rich mans toy completely out of reach for him his entire life and when I told him that it is a mid engine car it sudnly became comparable to a Ferrari, well anyway in this country most everyone thinks all Americans are rich!
Posted by: RobW Dec 20 2015, 11:31 PM
Not correcting...just pointing the OP towards "reality". If he/she disagrees with my premise, I will not be offended.
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It was nice to see so many people correct the 1st person that posted on this thread.
And to the person who doesn't care for "flippers/dealers"...I guess you don't care for Bruce Canepa of Canepa Design too? He's the ultimate "flipper"! Like it or not, it takes all kinds to make the car world go around.
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No. If you sell a car to Canepa you know exactly what its for and who it will go to. Not a flipper. A flipper shows up and says he / she wants the car and will drive it, 2 months later its on ebay with $10K added. Not the guy I'll buy a beer for. That said, I'll buy Bruce Canepa a beer all day long. Honesty is a virtue. I said nothing about dealers.
Posted by: thieuster Dec 21 2015, 02:22 AM
The 914 is the last and final Porsche within financial reach for many.
All in all a well reasoned argument, but I have to disagree with the above statement:
924, 944, 928 for classics
996, Boxsters, Cayenne for modern
Still plenty of affordable Porsches out there.
But I guess my question is for all these "914's are turning to gold" threads, did you buy a 914 as investment or did you buy it to build, drive, and enjoy? Seems many are wanting/hoping to make it big on a penny stocks... If it happens, so be it, but for me even if the market collapsed, I'd still enjoy my cars and feel they are worth every dollar and hour I put into them.
True, the 924, 944 and 928 prices are low, even here in Europe. But these cars have their own bunch of followers since these cars have a different set up (engine, cooling).
The modern Porsches... well, they are still pretty expensive here.
Posted by: smveril Dec 21 2015, 07:34 AM
As many stated, 914's have not appreciated like 911's.
When I consider I picked up a 76 914 with perfect inner rockers, some hell hole damage but no suspension damage, a perfect pan, needing a driver's sill, with no interior and a transmission and linkage for $800 in Oct., it seems to me that values have not climbed tremendously. A 912 in the same condition would be 10X as much or so.
Good 914s, such as my almost restored 73 2.0 are worth good money.
Posted by: johnhora Dec 21 2015, 11:11 AM
toolguy...
wow that one at http://www.makellosclassics.com/?p=12063 is really nice
and as you pointed out they have spent a lot of time and $$$ getting it into such a nice condition
$150k is probably not too much for this one....
Posted by: aircooledtechguy Dec 21 2015, 12:13 PM
A lot of us on here are also fans of classic VWs. With that said, an early 911 is not unlike a split bus and a 914-6 is similar to a bay bus. The bays will NEVER be worth what a similar split goes for but they are rising in value fast as the splits get out of reach of most folks.
Posted by: stevegm Dec 21 2015, 06:00 PM
Buyers set the price by either handing over their money or not. Remember, if 914's go high, people buy other cars that become more attractive price wise. Perfect 4's will bring strong money to a collector but the average price of a 4 has barely changed since I bought my 1st one 30 years ago. 6's have jumped but the $100k six is often quoted but rarely seen. Most seem to sell for $40-60k.
I think if sellers could strongly influence the selling price of a product, we would have never had a real estate crash. No homeowner wants to sell a house for less than than they paid.
I agree.
Interesting story (I don't know if it is true) - In the late 70s or early 80s, as the story goes, a gentleman in Florida bought 4 or 5 Ferrari Dinos. Back then they were cheap, for a Ferrari. He then ran an ad in the old AutoTrader (the old-school print magazine) for one of the cars at a ridiculous price. The following month, he ran the same ad, and marked it as SOLD. He did this a couple times and the prices of the Dinos rose dramatically, never to go back down. Illegal, I am sure. But, interesting story.
As for the OP suggestion - First, the market for these cars is fairly efficient - a relatively large number of sellers, a relatively large number of buyers, very low transaction costs (thanks to the internet), and fairly high degree of transparency as to condition (assuming one wants to actually look into the true condition of the car they are considering). It is unlikely that a single seller, or even a dozen sellers can impact the price point of the overall market much, in my opinion.
So, what will impact the price point? The press and attention the 914 has been getting, such as Amelia Island, etc. is having a small impact, I believe. But, on which cars? The cheap ones that need restoration? No. The mid-priced cars? Not really, in my opinion. Most of the press will likely have its largest impact on the high-end 914s. Collectors and investors see the press, and see the attention it is getting. They know what happened to early 911 prices. And they have the money to buy the cars before they go up in price to much. They also know better than to buy anything but the best cars. Many investors/collectors don't necessarily want to work on them, per se. So why buy a car that needs to be restored, and could easily end up financially upside down?
The other factor possibly affecting price increases that we should consider, is basic supply and demand. As the other air-cooled Porsches have gone up in price, it has closed out a lot of potential buyers, who can't afford the cars (early 911s, etc.). Those buyers still want a Porsche, and often want a 70s-era car that is air-cooled. Currently, the 914 is their only real, still low priced, option, since the 912s are going up as well. Some will want the 914. Some won't.
As those buyers come into the market for 914s, it should cause the cars to go up in price. More buyers/demand, fixed supply. Price goes up. Interestingly, the fact that the 914 was so prone to rust should help push those prices faster. Although Porsche likes to advertise that something like 70% of their cars are still on the road, that 70% isn't 914s. Rather, all of the estimates I have seen indicate that only around 17 - 20% of the 914s built are even left in existence. And we all know many of those aren't on the road. The relative shortage of good, fairly rust-free 914s, coupled with the influx of potential new buyers, pushed out of the 911/912 market by rising prices, is likely to have the largest impact on the prices of our 914s, in the next few years, in my opinion. And this should impact the prices of all 914s, not just the best of the best. Just my .02. Sorry I didn't have time to write a shorter post.
Posted by: struckn Dec 21 2015, 06:53 PM
What I'm reading in some of the articles of late is that the 914 originally was so different then the 356-911 that it was not appreciated for what it truly was when introduced. More recently the design, both in shape and as one of the first mid engine sports car, it is being recognized the P car that lead the way to the newer P cars Boxster/Cayman. In fact both of these 2016 designs will have mid engine Flat 4 Turbo's, not seen since the 914. So, the 914 when introduced could be said to be ahead of it's time, and better received today then when first introduced. It's desirability the attention is compounded by the desire to revert back to a true and simple Sports Car. Ask a 911 guy if he wants one, they're big fans.
Posted by: Mike Fitton Dec 21 2015, 07:17 PM
Not correcting...just pointing the OP towards "reality". If he/she disagrees with my premise, I will not be offended.
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It was nice to see so many people correct the 1st person that posted on this thread.
And to the person who doesn't care for "flippers/dealers"...I guess you don't care for Bruce Canepa of Canepa Design too? He's the ultimate "flipper"! Like it or not, it takes all kinds to make the car world go around.
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No. If you sell a car to Canepa you know exactly what its for and who it will go to. Not a flipper. A flipper shows up and says he / she wants the car and will drive it, 2 months later its on ebay with $10K added. Not the guy I'll buy a beer for. That said, I'll buy Bruce Canepa a beer all day long. Honesty is a virtue. I said nothing about dealers.
Who cares what the buyer does with the car as long as the seller is happy. I mean every seller is different some are original owners and some are 3rd and 4th owners. I bought my '74 2.0 in 2012 for $8,500 from the 3rd owner who was just flipping it and he paid $6,000 4 months earlier so he was happy and so was I when I sold it in 2014 $20,000. Guess what my buyer was happy too because now he has a $30,000 car.
Posted by: somd914 Dec 21 2015, 07:29 PM
What I'm reading in some of the articles of late is that the 914 originally was so different then the 356-911 that it was not appreciated for what it truly was when introduced. More recently the design, both in shape and as one of the first mid engine sports car, it is being recognized the P car that lead the way to the newer P cars Boxster/Cayman. In fact both of these 2016 designs will have mid engine Flat 4 Turbo's, not seen since the 914. So, the 914 when introduced could be said to be ahead of it's time, and better received today then when first introduced. It's desirability the attention is compounded by the desire to revert back to a true and simple Sports Car. Ask a 911 guy if he wants one, they're big fans.
And yet Porsche stills distances themselves from the 914 with the Boxster/Caymen turbo four by naming them after the 718, which many seem to feel is quite a stretch, and I agree. No mention of 914 heritage unfortunately.
I agree the departure from the 356/911 was likely a strike against it, but the VW partnership did it's damage. Heck, if things worked out as planned, all of us four owners would have been driving cars badged as VWs. And based on what I've encountered from knowledgeable car enthusiasts, the partnership is still considered a negative aspect by many. But we all know that time heals wounds and may likely be forgotten in time.
Do 911 guys want them? Some do, myself included, some don't. Do 914 guys want 911s? Seems some do and some don't. Any 914 guys out there wanting a 944 besides me?
But anyway, we all have our theories as to where prices will go. Some say up, some say down, some say status quo. Hmmm, sounds like Wall Street predictions... Time will tell, and the factors driving the market are likely beyond our control.
Posted by: Hank914 Dec 21 2015, 07:53 PM
What I'm reading in some of the articles of late is that the 914 originally was so different then the 356-911 that it was not appreciated for what it truly was when introduced. More recently the design, both in shape and as one of the first mid engine sports car, it is being recognized the P car that lead the way to the newer P cars Boxster/Cayman. In fact both of these 2016 designs will have mid engine Flat 4 Turbo's, not seen since the 914. So, the 914 when introduced could be said to be ahead of it's time, and better received today then when first introduced. It's desirability the attention is compounded by the desire to revert back to a true and simple Sports Car. Ask a 911 guy if he wants one, they're big fans.
And yet Porsche stills distances themselves from the 914 with the Boxster/Caymen turbo four by naming them after the 718, which many seem to feel is quite a stretch, and I agree. No mention of 914 heritage unfortunately.
I agree the departure from the 356/911 was likely a strike against it, but the VW partnership did it's damage. Heck, if things worked out as planned, all of us four owners would have been driving cars badged as VWs. And based on what I've encountered from knowledgeable car enthusiasts, the partnership is still considered a negative aspect by many. But we all know that time heals wounds and may likely be forgotten in time.
Do 911 guys want them? Some do, myself included, some don't. Do 914 guys want 911s? Seems some do and some don't. Any 914 guys out there wanting a 944 besides me?
But anyway, we all have our theories as to where prices will go. Some say up, some say down, some say status quo. Hmmm, sounds like Wall Street predictions... Time will tell, and the factors driving the market are likely beyond our control.
"... but the VW partnership did it's damage. Heck, if things worked out as planned, all of us four owners would have been driving cars badged as VWs. And based on what I've encountered from knowledgeable car enthusiasts, the partnership is still considered a negative aspect by many."
I consider myself a 914 owner first. Not an uppity Porsche owner, since I think the porcupine joke still applies to most 911 Porsche owners more than VW/914 owners. But I'm a
guy more than wine guy. Posted by: scotty b Dec 21 2015, 08:01 PM
What I'm reading in some of the articles of late is that the 914 originally was so different then the 356-911 that it was not appreciated for what it truly was when introduced. More recently the design, both in shape and as one of the first mid engine sports car, it is being recognized the P car that lead the way to the newer P cars Boxster/Cayman. In fact both of these 2016 designs will have mid engine Flat 4 Turbo's, not seen since the 914. So, the 914 when introduced could be said to be ahead of it's time, and better received today then when first introduced. It's desirability the attention is compounded by the desire to revert back to a true and simple Sports Car. Ask a 911 guy if he wants one, they're big fans.
Do 911 guys want them? YES I am getting a LOT of inquiries from current, long term 911 AND 356 owners looking for a good 914 project Some do, myself included, some don't. Do 914 guys want 911s? YES, that's why they have a 914, they can'tr afford 911's Seems some do and some don't. Any 914 guys out there wanting a 944 besides me? Had 3, the current has been my DD for about 2 months now since I gave my dad the Vulva
But anyway, we all have our theories as to where prices will go. Some say up, some say down, some say status quo. Hmmm, sounds like Wall Street predictions... Time will tell, and the factors driving the market are likely beyond our control.
But then again, it's been well established I don't make the best life choices
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Dec 21 2015, 08:49 PM
I remember the big fanfare with the '97 986 Boxster coming on the scene.
Ads were linking the car to the James Dean heritage days of the 550 Spyder (wtf ?) totally skipping any 914 4 or 6 mention. Porsche sure digs the 914 nowdays...well represented at Amelia + Renn5.
My car proudly wears this badge. Cars + coffee conversation piece for most people that are not in the know.
Posted by: Hank914 Dec 21 2015, 08:57 PM
I remember the big fanfare with the '97 986 Boxster coming on the scene.
Ads were linking the car to the James Dean heritage days of the 550 Spyder (wtf ?) totally skipping any 914 4 or 6 mention. Porsche sure digs the 914 nowdays...well represented at Amelia + Renn5.
My car proudly wears this badge. Cars + coffee conversation piece for most people that are not in the know.
Is this a custom badge?
I thought the Euro 914-6's were Porsche-only, and 914-4's were VW-Porsche badged?
I'm evidently confused...
Posted by: BillC Dec 21 2015, 09:12 PM
I think in the long run, it's best for all of us if the prices of 914s to drift upward. They'll probably never get near early-911 prices, and I don't really want them to, but increasing sales prices should end up increasing the supply of replacement parts -- if the car is worth more, people will spend more to restore them, providing incentives to manufacture parts that are currently hard or impossible to find.
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Dec 21 2015, 09:25 PM
Hank...I picked up this badge at a dealership near Stuttgart in 1985. I was in Frankfurt for the Automechannica expo. I don't know much more about its history , but bought it along with French 914 tail light lenses.
Too cool to pass up !
Posted by: kupcar Dec 21 2015, 10:05 PM
Marty, That looks like it's a Euro delivery 914-6 badge that was fitted on the back of the car between the tail lights and trunk release button. Very cool, and I believe NLA from Porsche.
Posted by: 396 Dec 21 2015, 10:42 PM
Marty, That looks like it's a Euro delivery 914-6 badge that was fitted on the back of the car between the tail lights and trunk release button. Very cool, and I believe NLA from Porsche.
Spot on , now the million dollar question. What's the euro -6 emblem and French lens worth these days?
Posted by: Charles Danek Dec 21 2015, 10:53 PM
A few random thoughts on values...
Those of you who know me, know I am new to 914s, and if you don't know me, well, that just affirms I am new to 914s.
But I am not new to 912s. I bought my first one in 2002, which is about the time the 912 Registry took form, and I have been fairly immeshed with both the car and the club ever since. In that time, I have had a front row seat to watching these cars go from things that people were almost ready to throw away, to things that people obsess now over whether the plating on each nut is correct. And in my mind, this transition can be attributed to many factors, many which may apply or come to apply to the 914:
1.) Does the experience that car offers, based solely on its own merits, correlate to the dollar amount that the car is worth? In 2002 I remember seeing a 911 prototype in a museum that was pretty much priceless even then, yet a nearly identical looking 912 was then considered almost worthless. In terms of smiles to gallon, I saw a real imbalance here! In 2004, a friend of mine spent nearly 3x what any 912 was worth to restore one to factory concours. To him, his enjoyment of the car justified the cost. It turns out, he wasn't alone, and soon others followed his example. Today his car is worth 2x to 3x what he paid to have it restored. A 914 is a virtuous car! I think the experience they offer represents a tremendous value. Cruising down the 395 on an epic drive, there is probably not a ton of difference between a 1970 914-6 and 1973 2.0. Of course a 2.0 will never be as rare or as pedigreed, or consequently as valuable as 6, but the more people see the value they offer by comparison, the less huge the price gap between them is apt to remain.
2.) Used Porsches are just obsolete sporting equipment. Until they become hot collectors items! In 2002, the 356 had only recently been accepted as a bonafide classic car. But 1965 was the cutoff. Early 911s were seen as curios wrought with teething pains. 912s were seen as pretty much pointless. Then about 6 years ago, the line moved to 1973, and suddenly any Porsche with a long hood was collectible. Today I think the line might be 1989, and now anything air-cooled is collectible. The Porsche 914 was designed and engineered by Porsche, and it offers a great aesthetic and ride that is not shared with any other Porsche, thus I think it is fundamentally a car that could appeal to Porsche collectors / enthusiasts. Stigmas change. Happened with 912s. And it will likely happen with 914s.
3.) A rising tide does not lift all boats equally...
In 2002 a decent 912 was maybe $8K. A decent Targa 912 was maybe $8K. A decent sunroof, or early painted dash car, or plain jane common '67-'69 coupe were all within the same range. Today not so much. Special, rare 912 variants sometimes sell for double or tripple. I think, in time, that earlier 914s in rare colors may rise in value more than others. Not sure about bumble bees or creamcicles... are these actually lusted after or just rare®? I honestly don't know. There is an adage about how anything labeled 'collector's edition' usually isn't, and I wonder if it may apply here.
Another thing to consider, is that originality is a huge factor when it comes to collectible Porsches. Back in the day, no one put much of premium on originality when it came to 912s. Color swaps mattered little. Many cars were fitted with updated parts to look newer. Most owners didn't even know what matching numbers even meant. On the 912 registry site, you might have even seen something like a 912 with LS1 featured on the home page. If you like wide flares and crazy engine swaps for your car, more power to you! I love that stuff. But in terms of high-value collector Porsche, only factory original cars need apply. Don't shoot me on this, I am just the messenger.
*
Rising values is a double edged sword. On the one hand, they ensure more cars survive. On the other hand, they are apt to change the culture that surrounds the cars. Its funny, my car hasn't changed since 2002... it is still the same hunk of metal... yet the place it has in the world, and in turn the place it has in my life, has risen considerably since then, which is kinda novel I suppose.
Still, I miss the old carefree days when it was more about fun than money... which is why I am so happy to now also own a 914!
~ Charles Danek / President 912 Registry
Posted by: dpires914 Dec 22 2015, 12:02 AM
It seems to me it's a simpel old standerd of supply and demand!i
This is the economic theory that sets the price in a free market. The price of the -6 has skyrocketed due to an increase in demand and a very little supply. There are too many -4s out there in comparison, except for the LEs. So it may take a while for our little fours to reach that point especially with most of us trying to save them.
Just my $.02
Posted by: thieuster Dec 22 2015, 12:45 AM
A few random thoughts on values...
Those of you who know me, know I am new to 914s, and if you don't know me, well, that just affirms I am new to 914s.
But I am not new to 912s. I bought my first one in 2002, which is about the time the 912 Registry took form, and I have been fairly immeshed with both the car and the club ever since. In that time, I have had a front row seat to watching these cars go from things that people were almost ready to throw away, to things that people obsess now over whether the plating on each nut is correct. And in my mind, this transition can be attributed to many factors, many which may apply or come to apply to the 914:
1.) Does the experience that car offers, based solely on its own merits, correlate to the dollar amount that the car is worth? In 2002 I remember seeing a 911 prototype in a museum that was pretty much priceless even then, yet a nearly identical looking 912 was then considered almost worthless. In terms of smiles to gallon, I saw a real imbalance here! In 2004, a friend of mine spent nearly 3x what any 912 was worth to restore one to factory concours. To him, his enjoyment of the car justified the cost. It turns out, he wasn't alone, and soon others followed his example. Today his car is worth 2x to 3x what he paid to have it restored. A 914 is a virtuous car! I think the experience they offer represents a tremendous value. Cruising down the 395 on an epic drive, there is probably not a ton of difference between a 1970 914-6 and 1973 2.0. Of course a 2.0 will never be as rare or as pedigreed, or consequently as valuable as 6, but the more people see the value they offer by comparison, the less huge the price gap between them is apt to remain.
2.) Used Porsches are just obsolete sporting equipment. Until they become hot collectors items! In 2002, the 356 had only recently been accepted as a bonafide classic car. But 1965 was the cutoff. Early 911s were seen as curios wrought with teething pains. 912s were seen as pretty much pointless. Then about 6 years ago, the line moved to 1973, and suddenly any Porsche with a long hood was collectible. Today I think the line might be 1989, and now anything air-cooled is collectible. The Porsche 914 was designed and engineered by Porsche, and it offers a great aesthetic and ride that is not shared with any other Porsche, thus I think it is fundamentally a car that could appeal to Porsche collectors / enthusiasts. Stigmas change. Happened with 912s. And it will likely happen with 914s.
3.) A rising tide does not lift all boats equally...
In 2002 a decent 912 was maybe $8K. A decent Targa 912 was maybe $8K. A decent sunroof, or early painted dash car, or plain jane common '67-'69 coupe were all within the same range. Today not so much. Special, rare 912 variants sometimes sell for double or tripple. I think, in time, that earlier 914s in rare colors may rise in value more than others. Not sure about bumble bees or creamcicles... are these actually lusted after or just rare®? I honestly don't know. There is an adage about how anything labeled 'collector's edition' usually isn't, and I wonder if it may apply here.
Another thing to consider, is that originality is a huge factor when it comes to collectible Porsches. Back in the day, no one put much of premium on originality when it came to 912s. Color swaps mattered little. Many cars were fitted with updated parts to look newer. Most owners didn't even know what matching numbers even meant. On the 912 registry site, you might have even seen something like a 912 with LS1 featured on the home page. If you like wide flares and crazy engine swaps for your car, more power to you! I love that stuff. But in terms of high-value collector Porsche, only factory original cars need apply. Don't shoot me on this, I am just the messenger.
*
Rising values is a double edged sword. On the one hand, they ensure more cars survive. On the other hand, they are apt to change the culture that surrounds the cars. Its funny, my car hasn't changed since 2002... it is still the same hunk of metal... yet the place it has in the world, and in turn the place it has in my life, has risen considerably since then, which is kinda novel I suppose.
Still, I miss the old carefree days when it was more about fun than money... which is why I am so happy to now also own a 914!
~ Charles Danek / President 912 Registry
I really would like to have your writing skills (English), sir. But since English isn't my first language...
Menno
Posted by: RobW Dec 22 2015, 07:06 AM
Great points! So where is it going from here?
Posted by: carr914 Dec 22 2015, 07:18 AM
The Original argument does fly!
Early 911s were king of the land when they were new. They were still produced in relatively low numbers.
914's were NARP . Granted 914-6s have risen mightily over the last 3-4 years and 911s have continued. 911 Turbos have gone fuchin crazy. However an LE is not going to ever have the presense of a 914-6 - PERIOD!
Don't forget this 911 Bubble will burst! 
When New Owners who jumped on the 911 Bandwagon find out they need a $15-35k Engine Rebuild, a New Front Pan or Rusty Floors that were hidden when they bought it on-line or at auction, they will sit & sit.
Posted by: Cracker Dec 22 2015, 07:27 AM
Yeah, history does have tendency to repeat itself. They may not fall back down to their starting value when this all started but they WILL fall back. Relative to shoudl've & could've(s) - I don't wish I had bought 914/6's five years ago but I sure wish I had bought all of the LH 911's I could afford. Geez! 
T
The Original argument does fly!
Early 911s were king of the land when they were new. They were still produced in relatively low numbers.
914's were NARP . Granted 914-6s have risen mightily over the last 3-4 years and 911s have continued. 911 Turbos have gone fuchin crazy. However an LE is not going to ever have the presense of a 914-6 - PERIOD!
Don't forget this 911 Bubble will burst!
When New Owners who jumped on the 911 Bandwagon find out they need a $15-35k Engine Rebuild, a New Front Pan or Rusty Floors that were hidden when they bought it on-line or at auction, they will sit & sit.
Posted by: iwanta914-6 Dec 22 2015, 08:19 AM
So it may take a while for our little fours to reach that point especially with most of us trying to save them.
Just my $.02
So if everyone stops trying to save them and send them off to the crusher, then the value of a -4 can rise?
I need prices to plateau for a bit, better yet, come down so I can get one in my garage...
Posted by: stevegm Dec 22 2015, 08:33 AM
I shouldn't go out on a limb. But I will anyway. I don't think the early 911s (pre-'74) are coming back down. Nor do I think the general 914 prices will come down. Just my .02.
Posted by: Cracker Dec 22 2015, 08:43 AM
Steve - You may be correct; and, you may not be - time will tell. Part of the problem is identifying true value. Asking prices for the early cars is sometimes ridiculous (ie: $350k+)! Then you see the same model/year at $125...still for sale. The market is still in a crazy frenzy and too volatile to even establish what the true value is. Like someone else pointed out, sellers can ask (price) whatever they want - that affects the perception of the market but does not set it. Basically, it will be difficult to determine if you're ultimately correct or not - it will take years to determine (most likely). I don't want a 911 - been there and done that - I don't care about their market/values. This conversation started with the misalignment in values (disproportionate) between 911's and 914's. I still believe, with rare exception, that the gap between the two will remain.
Steve: You've got great balance! LOL
Posted by: struckn Dec 22 2015, 10:57 AM
One other thought hit me. Porsche E-MISSION! This car takes Porsche in a totally new Direction that in years to come could make the 911s the 914s of the future, and what then do the Air Cooled Porsches, 914s included, become?
(Side note the first Porsche P1 was an all electric car)
Posted by: stevegm Dec 22 2015, 10:57 AM
Steve - You may be correct; and, you may not be - time will tell. Part of the problem is identifying true value. Asking prices for the early cars is sometimes ridiculous (ie: $350k+)! Then you see the same model/year at $125...still for sale. The market is still in a crazy frenzy and too volatile to even establish what the true value is. Like someone else pointed out, sellers can ask (price) whatever they want - that affects the perception of the market but does not set it. Basically, it will be difficult to determine if you're ultimately correct or not - it will take years to determine (most likely). I don't want a 911 - been there and done that - I don't care about their market/values. This conversation started with the misalignment in values (disproportionate) between 911's and 914's. I still believe, with rare exception, that the gap between the two will remain.
Steve: You've got great balance! LOL
Very good points. Time will tell. There are pros and cons either way.
Posted by: thieuster Dec 22 2015, 11:01 AM
911 #13 (back then 901) has been sold to a guy I know for 1 million dollar. He imported it into The Netherlands a few months ago.
Menno
Posted by: Manny Alban Dec 22 2015, 11:08 AM
So I've been into 914's since I was 18...thirty years ago. I'm lucky to own an original, preservation winner, 1973 914 2.0. I bought it 22 years ago. Not because I thought it was a collectible, but because it was fun to drive.
7 years ago I bought a 1990 911 C2 in great condition. All records, original, etc. Once again, didn't buy it as an investment, just was fun to drive. I bought it a few years before the bubble. 993's were still high and 3.2 were overpriced. 964's just wallowed in the cellar.
Both of these cars were cheap fun. Now they are worth a lot more than I paid for them. BUT to me, they are still cheap fun. Oh sure, I've upped my insured value for each of them, but, I still drive them.
I doubt the 914 or C2 will ever be considered collectibles when it comes to the big boy collectors. The 914-6 and 964RS (the real RS, not the RS America) will be always sought after. I'm fine with that. I"m not a big boy collector. I just have fun driving it. If my checkbook allowed me to buy a real RS, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
It just sucks that 914 and C2 parts are going up in value as the cars do. I remember buying perfect bumpers for $50.
Posted by: Maltese Falcon Dec 22 2015, 12:25 PM
Buy 1978-1983 911SC's now...these are slowly creeping up. Nice torque 3L
light fun car. I'm not a car flipper, but appreciable cars are worth more than bank interest. A smart Porsche purchase is a good place to keep an investment.
Posted by: struckn Dec 22 2015, 12:57 PM
Not sure if this was thought of, or mentioned, but, as the 914 cost increases, especially a rapid cost increase, the number of potential 914 buyers decreases due to affordability. The difference in the cost of todays 914 when compared to a used 911, or other vintage Porsche is huge making the existing 911 buyer one of the 914s biggest potential buyer.
However, the biggest competitor to the sale of a 914 is most likely MGB, Triumph or similar era sports car which although they too are increasing in value, they appear to be less costly while the current cost of the 914 seems to entering in to the too expensive range for the typical guy when compared to many British, Italian and Japanese cars on the market. This could reduce the number of potential buyers for the 914 and stabilize it's cost, or even drive down the cost.
Posted by: Cal Dec 22 2015, 03:29 PM
911 #13 (back then 901) has been sold to a guy I know for 1 million dollar. He imported it into The Netherlands a few months ago.
Menno
This car apparently didn't sell....the owner was offered more then $1M and he turned it down....
Posted by: RobW Dec 22 2015, 03:40 PM
When all cars are electric someday, I wonder what our cars will be worth then..
Posted by: horizontally-opposed Dec 22 2015, 03:41 PM
911 #13 (back then 901) has been sold to a guy I know for 1 million dollar. He imported it into The Netherlands a few months ago.
Menno
This car apparently didn't sell....the owner was offered more then $1M and he turned it down....
So, was 13 a lucky number in this case?
I don't think 914s will ever be worth what long hood 911s are or will be. Nor, logically, should they—unless we are talking about 914-6s, 914-6 GTs, 914-6 M471s, or 916s. But I do suspect prices for the best regular 914s will track with good and great 912s, early 911Ts, and very good early 911 hot rods—plus or minus some percentage depending on whether it's a top 914-4, a real 914-6, and very good six conversions.
I think Charles Danek nailed it—there is a lot of utility/fun factor in 914s, and there are not a lot of other Porsches that offer a similar set of sensations and sentiments. And yet I've got very mixed feelings about the prices of 911s, 912s, and 914s over the last few years especially. It's a mixed blessing, I suppose, but I worry that the cars will disappear from the roads—whether they're investments or gathered into barns.
There will, however, be no "managing" of the market. It will do what it will do.
Posted by: Sedonut Dec 22 2015, 09:52 PM
Future prediction with an almost guaranteed outcome. In probably less than 10 years self driving cars will be everywhere.
As soon as they are proven safe, in the name of SAFETY all cars that do not drive themselves will be deemed unsafe. All the people who don't enjoy driving much will think that is a great idea. They can spend more time on their smartphones or computers.
Cars that require drivers will sometime later be illegal to drive on public roads.
I enjoy restoring cars. I appreciate all the help the members of this site have given me in finding 40 plus year old parts. It's a journey. Of course, I would like to get my money back when I am done. I count my labor at .05 per hour. I love finding every part that brings my cars closer to perfect. I especially enjoy when someone admires my car. The car that I saved from the junkyard.
Enjoy the day, don't worry about the value.
Posted by: somd914 Dec 23 2015, 06:16 AM
Future prediction with an almost guaranteed outcome. In probably less than 10 years self driving cars will be everywhere.
As soon as they are proven safe, in the name of SAFETY all cars that do not drive themselves will be deemed unsafe. All the people who don't enjoy driving much will think that is a great idea. They can spend more time on their smartphones or computers.
Cars that require drivers will sometime later be illegal to drive on public roads.
I enjoy restoring cars. I appreciate all the help the members of this site have given me in finding 40 plus year old parts. It's a journey. Of course, I would like to get my money back when I am done. I count my labor at .05 per hour. I love finding every part that brings my cars closer to perfect. I especially enjoy when someone admires my car. The car that I saved from the junkyard.
Enjoy the day, don't worry about the value.
This thought has been bouncing around my head quite a bit. Elon Musk has gone as far as saying he'll push to have manned cars outlawed. Granted it will take time, certainly not in 10-15 years, but I could see it happening within 25-30 years. And as a software engineer, that industry scares the hell out of me given the complex dynamic world of driving and lack of government standards/regulation for development and testing.
But I agree the market will do what it does with little or no influence from our small community. And with any collectable market, predictions are difficult, at least outside of the near term, because they are emotionally driven.
Posted by: struckn Dec 23 2015, 10:37 AM
Future prediction with an almost guaranteed outcome. In probably less than 10 years self driving cars will be everywhere.
As soon as they are proven safe, in the name of SAFETY all cars that do not drive themselves will be deemed unsafe. All the people who don't enjoy driving much will think that is a great idea. They can spend more time on their smartphones or computers.
Cars that require drivers will sometime later be illegal to drive on public roads.
I enjoy restoring cars. I appreciate all the help the members of this site have given me in finding 40 plus year old parts. It's a journey. Of course, I would like to get my money back when I am done. I count my labor at .05 per hour. I love finding every part that brings my cars closer to perfect. I especially enjoy when someone admires my car. The car that I saved from the junkyard.
Enjoy the day, don't worry about the value.
This thought has been bouncing around my head quite a bit. Elon Musk has gone as far as saying he'll push to have manned cars outlawed. Granted it will take time, certainly not in 10-15 years, but I could see it happening within 25-30 years. And as a software engineer, that industry scares the hell out of me given the complex dynamic world of driving and lack of government standards/regulation for development and testing.
But I agree the market will do what it does with little or no influence from our small community. And with any collectable market, predictions are difficult, at least outside of the near term, because they are emotionally driven.
I doubt seriously that that will ever happen. Looking at the Aircraft industry today for example, most commercial planes can fly and land unassisted but the private planes are left up to the Pilots to fly. I would say the future for the Automobiles at worst case would be as such, worst case might be Lane restrictions as on Interstate Highways.
Thinking in the big picture it has been suggested that if the technology gets to the point that Machines do everything, and gain artificial intelligence, the next step would be they would cancel out the human race as being obsolete.
Posted by: rdauenhauer Dec 23 2015, 03:47 PM
...before the motor law...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9Q05UyIOX4
Posted by: somd914 Dec 23 2015, 04:37 PM
I doubt seriously that that will ever happen. Looking at the Aircraft industry today for example, most commercial planes can fly and land unassisted but the private planes are left up to the Pilots to fly. I would say the future for the Automobiles at worst case would be as such, worst case might be Lane restrictions as on Interstate Highways.
Thinking in the big picture it has been suggested that if the technology gets to the point that Machines do everything, and gain artificial intelligence, the next step would be they would cancel out the human race as being obsolete.
But it's entirely different dynamic than aviation. With the US alone experiencing over 30,000 fatalities per year and over 2,000,000 injuries per year from auto accidents, coupled with the zero risk philosophy that has swept the country, there is an incredible push to make roads safer via automation - for us locally out here in the sticks, red light cameras and possibly speed cameras are coming with a promise of safer roads via technology. Plus the automated car industry is advocating manned cars as the major risk to automated cars in respect to accidents.
And yes, I too had thoughts of Red Barchetta.
But we digress, in the meantime let's see where our market goes in the next few years.
Posted by: Skydance Dec 23 2015, 05:09 PM
Future prediction with an almost guaranteed outcome. In probably less than 10 years self driving cars will be everywhere.
As soon as they are proven safe, in the name of SAFETY all cars that do not drive themselves will be deemed unsafe. All the people who don't enjoy driving much will think that is a great idea. They can spend more time on their smartphones or computers.
Cars that require drivers will sometime later be illegal to drive on public roads.
I enjoy restoring cars. I appreciate all the help the members of this site have given me in finding 40 plus year old parts. It's a journey. Of course, I would like to get my money back when I am done. I count my labor at .05 per hour. I love finding every part that brings my cars closer to perfect. I especially enjoy when someone admires my car. The car that I saved from the junkyard.
Enjoy the day, don't worry about the value.
Horse people talked about these same concerns ever since horses stopped being beasts of burden. Today the recreational use of horses has brought the population to it's highest number in the past fifty years. Considering the cost of ownership, shrinking countryside, escalating environmental restriction, and many other issues we still have a high and healthy horse population.
I agree, autonomous vehicles will hit us fast. I don't think we'll see people lose all desires of driving, especially the classics, in fact the opposite is likely.
Enjoy your ride, your living in the days of the old west!
Posted by: Sedonut Dec 23 2015, 05:32 PM
Another factor will be those people that can not drive a stick shift.
Will people want a stick because they want to be involved with driving, or will they say it's too much trouble? Most cars built now do not even have an option for a stick shift.
The car market tends to peak on models those in their top earning years wanted as a kid. If you look at the market for cars from the 30's to early 50's, the prices have dropped. The people that wanted them as a kid are dying off.
I think we have a few more years of appreciation.
Posted by: Racer Dec 23 2015, 07:14 PM
Self driving (electric) cars will become commonplace in city centers to reduce congestion and the relatively little smog most places have nowadays.
This will slowly spread.. liberal places first like CA and some NE states. Eventually, older cars will be limited in use/locations.
Till then, lets burn some fossil fuels and run into each other 
Posted by: wes Dec 23 2015, 07:29 PM
Thanks!
Ah the day's of music videos, makes me think about the things these old eyes have seen,
OH NO, PLEASE Don't TAKE MY STEERING WHEEL away!
Posted by: larryM Jan 4 2016, 08:51 PM
back to the O.P.
I've been thinking about witting this thread for a while now.
If early 911s can run for $165,000-300,000 then the 914/6 should be in the same range. Creamsickles and Bumblebees should be up there too and excellent /4 should all be over the $100,000 mark.
more grist
2013 http://thesportscarguys.com/2013/06/25/10-porsches-to-buy-now-before-they-are-out-of-reach-part-6-%E2%80%93-porsche-914/
2014 http://thesportscarguys.com/2014/04/10/price-guide-1972-1975-porsche-914-2-0-current-market-value/
2014 http://petrolicious.com/why-the-porsche-914-2-0-is-collectable
2004 Jan. 2004 issue https://classicmotorsports.com/articles/porsche-914/
2012 - we are our own market 914World http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=173521&pid=1644732&mode=threaded&show=&st=&
2012 Hagerty
914 https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1973-porsche-914-1.7
914-6 https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1970-porsche-914!6
2016 Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/RESTORATION-PROGRESS-OWNER-DECEASED-OVER-1200-NEW-PARTS-NO-RESERVE
Excellence https://www.excellence-mag.com/resources/buyers-guide/856880138
2013 The Samba - http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6669446
914,org value guide http://www.porsche914.org/untitled.html
2015 914-6 Bloomberg http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-30/the-porsche-914-6-a-semi-forgotten-volkswagon-crossover-you-d-be-smart-to-invest-in-now.html
2014 Greg Fullmer’s Glocker 914-6 GT – allegedly sold for about $225K ??? also discussions on World & Pelican http://flatsixes.com/cars/for-sale-cars/one-one-glockler-914-6-gt-sale/
Classic Cars.com http://classiccars.com/listings/find/all-years/porsche/914
2016 http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/porsche/914-6
2012 – 914World http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=173521&st=40&p=1644833&#entry1644833
Nov 2013 http://oppositelock.kinja.com/porsche-914-market-update-the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-1471226984
2015 914-6 $215K http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=256701
2014 http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=235822
Posted by: era vulgaris Jan 4 2016, 09:32 PM
However, the biggest competitor to the sale of a 914 is most likely MGB, Triumph or similar era sports car which although they too are increasing in value, they appear to be less costly while the current cost of the 914 seems to entering in to the too expensive range for the typical guy when compared to many British, Italian and Japanese cars on the market. This could reduce the number of potential buyers for the 914 and stabilize it's cost, or even drive down the cost.
There were vastly more MGB's produced than 914's, given that the MGB production ran from '62-'80. The TR6, which like the 914 only ran from 70-76, might be a counterpart. However the problem with both of those examples is that they don't have the legacy that the Porsche brand does. There's not an equatable-value or equatable-demand car like the 356 or 911 in either the MG or Triumph roster. I don't see Triumphs or MG's pulling the kind of money that older Porsches do.
Plus I've owned a TR6. I can tell you that 914 owners are in general are WAAAAAY cooler than Triumph owners!
Posted by: ConeDodger Jan 4 2016, 09:51 PM
However, the biggest competitor to the sale of a 914 is most likely MGB, Triumph or similar era sports car which although they too are increasing in value, they appear to be less costly while the current cost of the 914 seems to entering in to the too expensive range for the typical guy when compared to many British, Italian and Japanese cars on the market. This could reduce the number of potential buyers for the 914 and stabilize it's cost, or even drive down the cost.
There were vastly more MGB's produced than 914's, given that the MGB production ran from '62-'80. The TR6, which like the 914 only ran from 70-76, might be a counterpart. However the problem with both of those examples is that they don't have the legacy that the Porsche brand does. There's not an equatable-value or equatable-demand car like the 356 or 911 in either the MG or Triumph roster. I don't see Triumphs or MG's pulling the kind of money that older Porsches do.
Plus I've owned a TR6. I can tell you that 914 owners are in general are WAAAAAY cooler than Triumph owners!
So apparently you don't think smoking a pipe is cool?
Posted by: mgp4591 Jan 4 2016, 10:30 PM
Thanks!
Ah the day's of music videos, makes me think about the things these old eyes have seen,
OH NO, PLEASE Don't TAKE MY STEERING WHEEL away!Besides, who wants to drive a gleaming alloy air car that's two lanes wide??
Posted by: era vulgaris Jan 4 2016, 10:36 PM
So apparently you don't think smoking a pipe is cool?
Driving gloves, goggles, and leather RAF helmets are also pretty lame.
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=30640
The fact that their main parts supplier also sells this "apparel" tells says it all.
The one thing that Moss Motors doesn't sell is the metal rod that most of the Triumph owners I met had inserted up their ass. That must be something you have to supply on your own.
Posted by: Larmo63 Jan 4 2016, 10:38 PM
We could buy a bunch of old Crown Victorias and ghost drive them into self driving cars, (on purpose,) causing the designers of those untested abominations to run back to their collective drawing boards?
Posted by: Amphicar770 Jan 4 2016, 10:47 PM
The 911 bubble will burst just a surely as the Mopar bubble burst and prices came crashing back down to earth.
When these bubbles occur it becomes economically viable to restore even marginal cars to a high standard. This eventually saturates the market and POP goes the bubble.
While 911's were not as common as Mustangs, there were still a lot of them produced.
I always have, and still do, prefer the 914.
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