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Posted by: Andyrew Mar 15 2005, 04:45 PM

Im getting HPH flares (or something simular) for the rear of my car. Currently it needs 1 in spacers for the rear to not hit the inside of the wheel well (barely not hit..) With the hph flares, I will have more flare and I will be wanting to fill them out better. So I think I want to go with a 1.5 in spacer that is bolted on top of my 3/4 in spacer. Price of 1.5 in spacers would be 120 bucks per pair.

What is my alternative? Are there studs that long?

Yell at me with facts.

Andrew

Posted by: Mueller Mar 15 2005, 05:01 PM

the only person I know that does not "approve" of the bolt-on spacers is Zois and some tech inspectors down in the So-Cal area....Zois has had his come loose...why the other guys don't like them, who knows???? Could be based on fact or ignorance

The bolt-on spacers are TUV approved (depending on brand of course).....

I like the longer studs and slip on spacers due to fewer parts in the equation....I'm running 90mm studs on the front with a 1.125" thick hubcentric spacer on my car........

Posted by: Andyrew Mar 15 2005, 05:11 PM

Okly dokly.

As long as at the wcc they check my car and dont say "NO YOU CANT RUN!"

My dad is weary about them as well. IM not.

If Fiid is running 3in spacers with 295 tire on his car, Why cant I run 2 1/4 in on 255 tire on my car?

We'll find out!

Andrew (thanks mike, I'll see about those shocks right now.. Working on my front flares currently, actually giving my arms a rest..)

Posted by: d914 Mar 15 2005, 05:41 PM

I ran 54mm and 35mm bolt on spacers for a couple years on the track car. Used late offset wheels, 16x9 16x7, 245's on the back. No issues other than extra weight. NEVER loosened up. In fact a pain to take off. I have heard of slip on getting cocked and not flush???? 6 of one half dozen of another.

Posted by: Andyrew Mar 15 2005, 05:43 PM

Alrighty then.

Running them on the track is good nuf for me.

Thanks

Anyone heard of one cracking or failing?

Andrew

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 15 2005, 05:50 PM

QUOTE (Andyrew @ Mar 15 2005, 03:43 PM)
Anyone heard of one cracking or failing?

nope, never. only guy i know who ever said he personally have had trouble with them bolt-ons is zois.
he had the nuts come lose and everyone i asked agrees that he probably didn't torque 'em down right to begin with (hey zois )

i have been running the bolt-ons for 4 years now, including more than a full season of AX ...
no problems what-so-ever ...

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btw. my set will be for sale soon as i needed some more spacing (see pic.)
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Andy

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Posted by: Andyrew Mar 15 2005, 06:37 PM

Andy, how much, and how wide.

I'd be glad to buy from you!

Andrew

Posted by: ! Mar 15 2005, 07:11 PM

Hey...all I know is the rule book in Zone 8 says they are not kosher....I had them on Frank and they came loose. I pounded the studs out, used them as spacers and then installed long studs. I "think" one reason they are not approved for DE/TT or racing is that it is hard to verify lugnut minimum turn depth without pulling the wheels...

I don't know who or what rule book they are going to use at the WCC/Willow event or even if there is going to BE a tech inspection.

Prolly a good idea to ask Howard...because...I simply don't know.

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 15 2005, 07:28 PM

QUOTE (Andyrew @ Mar 15 2005, 04:37 PM)
Andy, how much, and how wide.
I'd be glad to buy from you!

1 1/4" for the front, 1 1/2" for the rear. dunno how much, have to think about it.

oh, and the ones i have *are* the TÜV approved kind ...
Andy

Posted by: Andyrew Mar 15 2005, 07:29 PM

Andy
Well, when you find out the price, consider it done.

Mike, I'll ask Drew, since he is coordinator of the track day.

Thanks

Andrew

Posted by: ! Mar 15 2005, 07:34 PM

Spoke with Howard....the rules for tech are to be such as AX rules....spacers/adapter will be cool as well as MA helmets versus the more stringent SA helmets...."I" would suggest a helmet that is relatively new and DOT/Snell approved.

A vehicle in good condition, no loose wheel bearings, tied down and secured batteries, no loose crap in the cab or the trunk(s), brake lights working, no nasty oil or fluid leaks...etc....

Posted by: neo914-6 Mar 15 2005, 07:52 PM

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Fiid is running 3in spacers with 295 tire on his car

Unless Fiid got new flares and wheels, that would be me...

Bill ran hard for a season with 1.7" and 1.1" spacers on this track car.

Posted by: Andyrew Mar 15 2005, 08:06 PM

Lol, sorry Felix..

Too many F's in this world for me to remember... My mind was in other places (like how I dont think the flares im gona be getting are going to be wide enough...)

Mike, did howard mention if we still have to run with the top on?? I barely fit with my helmet and top on... And I know that my dad will not fit...

Andrew

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 15 2005, 08:24 PM

QUOTE (Andyrew @ Mar 15 2005, 06:06 PM)
I barely fit with my helmet and top on...

you're not taller than i am and i fit in just fine ...

here's a little hint:
take out the seat cushion!

Andy

Posted by: Series9 Mar 15 2005, 08:28 PM

100mm studs:

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Posted by: Series9 Mar 15 2005, 08:29 PM

With rotor (mine fit on the outside of the hub) and 42mm of spacer. Stack 'em up:

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Posted by: Andyrew Mar 15 2005, 08:38 PM

Andy, I got my seats in. (at least my drivers)

Posted by: jd74914 Mar 15 2005, 08:54 PM

Could you post a pic of your seat installed?

Posted by: ! Mar 15 2005, 08:58 PM

probably run with the top of....but I wold consider removing the seat pad to lower overall height....

Posted by: xsboost90 Mar 15 2005, 09:13 PM

i think the tech inspectors dont like the bolt on ones cuz you cant check torque on the lugs for the spacer w/o pulling the wheels off.

Posted by: ws91420 Mar 15 2005, 09:37 PM

The only issues I know of w/ spacers.

1. Your local safety inspections in VA spacers would be an automatic fail

2. If not done right you will put more stress on the wheel bearings leading to premature failure.

My .02

Posted by: smrz914 Mar 15 2005, 09:39 PM

I have 1.5" spacers at all 4 corners. Never had a problem in 3 years.

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Posted by: SirAndy Mar 15 2005, 09:40 PM

QUOTE (ws91420 @ Mar 15 2005, 07:37 PM)
you will put more stress on the wheel bearings leading to premature failure.

ANY spacer will do that, no matter if bolt-on or long studs ...

Andy

Posted by: dan10101 Mar 15 2005, 09:48 PM

Pics of my seats...

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Posted by: dan10101 Mar 15 2005, 09:49 PM

next

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Posted by: dan10101 Mar 15 2005, 09:51 PM

Werkin on my front fenders... Think I almost got the flaring done with this one.

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Posted by: SirAndy Mar 15 2005, 09:52 PM

QUOTE (dan10101 @ Mar 15 2005, 07:48 PM)
Pics of my seats...

dude, where's your pedal board ???

Andy

Posted by: dan10101 Mar 15 2005, 09:52 PM

fender and the main tools I've been using. Finished the back portion a little since that pic.

Andrew

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Posted by: dan10101 Mar 15 2005, 09:53 PM

No pedal board... I dont like it.

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 15 2005, 11:18 PM

QUOTE (dan10101 @ Mar 15 2005, 07:53 PM)
No pedal board... I dont like it.

well, then say goodbye to your clutch tube ...

and i would carry a spare throttlecable and a spare clutch cable as well, you'll need them soon ...
Andy

PS: in case you wonder, the pedal board is there for a reason!

Posted by: Andyrew Mar 15 2005, 11:36 PM

Fine, I'll put that on the list of things I need to do before I take it to the wcc...

Its one of those things I forgot to do.. and just left it.

So... About those spacers... lol

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 15 2005, 11:45 PM

QUOTE (Andyrew @ Mar 15 2005, 09:36 PM)
So... About those spacers... lol

well, if everything works out well, they'll be off the car this wekend ...

Andy

Posted by: Andyrew Mar 15 2005, 11:58 PM

Alright cool.

PM me when you decide on price.