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Posted by: teenrookie Mar 16 2005, 06:31 PM

I want to thank Aaron Cox for taking three hours out of the middle of his day to look at a V8 car with me.

Aaron has never met me before, but I knew he lived nearby (more or less) the teener. So I sent him a PM asking if he would like to look at the car with me.

He was great, on time, super helpful and tons of knowledge.

I owe you Aaron!

Posted by: redshift Mar 16 2005, 06:33 PM

James, did he try to touch you? It's ok, you can tell us.

I want to thank Aaron for talking me down, I was about to jump..

Thanks Aaron, again.


M

Posted by: teenrookie Mar 16 2005, 06:38 PM

Actually, when I bought him lunch for his troubles, he couldn't stop looking at every girl that drove by or walked in.

I read all the rumors about him, but I am not buying it.

Posted by: Headrage Mar 16 2005, 06:44 PM

QUOTE (teenrookie @ Mar 16 2005, 04:38 PM)

Actually, when I bought him lunch for his troubles, he couldn't stop looking at every girl that drove by or walked in.

He was planning their demise.

Posted by: SpecialK Mar 16 2005, 06:45 PM

QUOTE (teenrookie @ Mar 16 2005, 04:38 PM)

Actually, when I bought him lunch for his troubles, he couldn't stop looking at every girl that drove by or walked in. I read all the rumors about him, but I am not buying it.

Ya only harass the one's you love....

Aaron's a good guy, and takes the verbal abuse in stride.

Posted by: MattR Mar 16 2005, 06:46 PM

So did you end up getting the car? Pics???

Posted by: GWN7 Mar 16 2005, 06:48 PM

ya, tell us about the car now....

Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 16 2005, 06:56 PM

hey james,

i enjoyes the afternoon.... just got back from taking my crap home from school.
post the pics.....


well....i drove a v8 car. too much fun....too bad it wasnt a great example


james, thanks for lunch man
if it werent for your back, id invite you to help drop my motor, now. lol

Posted by: Andyrew Mar 16 2005, 06:58 PM

Aaron, Tell us details on the car...

Andrew

Posted by: teenrookie Mar 16 2005, 07:14 PM

The garage door was open when I got there. I was really happy at 80 feet, accepting at 30 and depressed at 10. The car has all the right parts just poorly executed. The current owner did not build the car, but the PO did not seem to put any time in to putting it together.

I took pictures, but will have to figure out how to post them. I know what a rookie. Then I will get them on.

In short:

Fiberglass flares- - but not attached well and fiber tape lines
Rear ended- - Repaired but wrinkled in the trunk
New paint - -no prep on the panels and overspray
2 piece cup wheels - - major road rash on one, mild on the other
Seems to cool well- - but single 16" fan and foam pushed in on the sides to control flow
V8 - no initial issues, started well, electric choke was right on, great idle. Did not dig any deeper
911 A front brakes no issues
Weltmeister front bar with new bushings in the trunk
Carbon fiber dash overlay - - poorly installed
Emergency brake works-
Tail shifter
5 lug - - adapter brackets in front.

It goes on and on, little things to like the windshield trim was handbrushed black and the door handles were monochromed wit hout any prep and are chipping.

The car drove well, set really firm, Aaron felt it was more firm than his and his is set up for AX.

In my opinion, you would buy this car change the radiator out immediately and driver restoration project. Aaron, being 6' something would remove the steering wheel extension too.

Aaron- Chime in and I will work on posting pics.

Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 16 2005, 07:22 PM

flares.... looked good from 20 feet. not bonded on great. looked closer...and it got uglyt underneath.... you can see the seam at the body.
Cooling.... home made, 1 16" fan with FOAM sheets to secure airflow
rear ended.... poor fix... we were like "why does the trunk over hang extra.....
bad paint
17" 2 piece cup wheels.... with 5 to 5 adapters
stock tie rods....
welt sway.... looked new....
welt poly bushings F/R in the trunk.... uninstalled....
911 a calipers......

way over sprung upfront...guessing 23mm t bars

and a ghetto harness bar....
and that renegade hybrids wheel extender???? man... could drive with my shoulders....

Posted by: Lawrence Mar 16 2005, 07:36 PM

QUOTE (Headrage @ Mar 16 2005, 07:44 PM)

QUOTE (teenrookie @ Mar 16 2005, 04:38 PM) Actually, when I bought him lunch for his troubles, he couldn't stop looking at every girl that drove by or walked in. He was planning their demise.

It puts the lotion in the bucket.

Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 16 2005, 07:38 PM

rusty

i really like 3rd gear starts with a v8 LOL....i may want one in my next project.....
283..... ooh.....

Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 16 2005, 07:40 PM

the car had lots of goodies....but it was a 5k car...tops.... guy wanted 12k for it...he has been had if he paid that much for it

Posted by: bondo Mar 16 2005, 07:40 PM

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Mar 16 2005, 06:38 PM)

i really like 3rd gear starts with a v8 LOL....i may want one in my next project..... 283..... ooh.....

I warned ya.. there's no going back!

Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 16 2005, 07:43 PM

QUOTE (bondo @ Mar 16 2005, 06:40 PM)

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Mar 16 2005, 06:38 PM) i really like 3rd gear starts with a v8 LOL....i may want one in my next project.....  B) 283..... ooh..... I warned ya.. there's no going back!

i was just soo..... nice....and driveable.... even with the tailshifter. alright.... how much can i do a v8 swap for..... if i dont go crazy on it....

engine?
adapter?
radiator kit - 1.5k?
exhaust?

ooh.... i like it....

Posted by: bondo Mar 16 2005, 07:44 PM

Andyrew is the expert on the low buck V8 conversion. I'm the expert on the dirk wright V8 conversion

Posted by: redshift Mar 16 2005, 08:09 PM

QUOTE (Special_K @ Mar 16 2005, 08:45 PM)

Aaron's a good guy, and takes the abuse in stride.

More like a funny gait, than a stride..



What's he been sittin' on? ner'mind..


M

Posted by: teenrookie Mar 16 2005, 08:15 PM

HELP

What size is preferred for pictures?

I will post them when I get back from Soccer with my son.

Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 16 2005, 08:30 PM

pics:

reduced from like 19 megapixiels.....
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Posted by: redshift Mar 16 2005, 08:34 PM

HAHAHAH

Somwhere, there is a curb with severe wheel rash.


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Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 16 2005, 08:34 PM

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8.... boost my post count...oh yeah!


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Posted by: smrz914 Mar 16 2005, 08:46 PM

Looks better then mine!






...but i'm not done. At least that is what I tell myself.

Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 16 2005, 09:57 PM

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Posted by: Andyrew Mar 16 2005, 10:46 PM

Unless thats padding foam then I dont like the foam..

Asside from that it looks like a good car!

5 to 5 lug adapters... You mean spacers?? Bolt on spacers aaron.. there not evil... lol

Then all the stuff you mentioned.. Its probably worth more than 5k... but definately not 12k.

Anyways. To answer your question..

Heres the breakdown for an engine conversion.

What you HAVE to have.

Engine (Pick and pull, clean it up and run it for 500. Re build it and get it running perfect for 1k)
Trani Adapter (150 used)
Radiator (pick and pull 50 bucks with fan)
Clutch/flywheel/pp assembly (500, a must for a good driver)
IF you removed the firewall and put a new one that would allow for the stock waterpump and stuff, then you could avoid getting a RH waterpump, and other stuff for the belts. Save 500+ spend 100.
Spend 100 for radiaor tubing (no way around this one..)
Spend 300 for exhaust (necessity )
100 on sheet metal, bolts and ext for the radiator shrowding.
Spend 100 for a front engine mount.
50 for trani mounts
and do your own shift linkage (easy)

Total...
2k with non rebuilt engine. 2500 with rebuilt engine.
Then factor in selling your engine for 1k to 1.5k

You do the math!!

It CAN be done less.. you wouldnt want to drive it though.

Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 16 2005, 10:49 PM

hmm i hear the RH rad and RH h20 pump are the only way to fly.....


too much fun.....

Posted by: Andyrew Mar 16 2005, 10:54 PM

Thats what they say...

Have you heard me complain about my temps yet??
HMM???

Its all about airflow, and the right amount of water...

Posted by: skline Mar 16 2005, 10:54 PM

Well, I hate to correct you but that is a Renegade radiator, that is their old style before they went with the style they have now. I wouldnt be surprised if the whole conversion is an old Renegade. The headers look like it too. Did you look at the adapter? I could look at it and tell but I had work today. It doesnt look all that bad but I have to agree that it is not worth 12k if the body is like you say. I do like those Boxster wheels on there though. Too bad they dont know how to judge distance to a curb.

Posted by: teenrookie Mar 16 2005, 11:07 PM

The owner did say he thought it was a Renegade kit. It just didn't look like what I saw on their website.

Cars always look better in a picture than in person.

Posted by: Andyrew Mar 17 2005, 01:08 AM

Looking through my pics... Found something intersting...




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Posted by: Andyrew Mar 17 2005, 01:10 AM

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Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 17 2005, 01:11 AM

same car andyrew

Posted by: Andyrew Mar 17 2005, 01:15 AM

Someone with a "how to restore and modify your 914 porsche" look at the last page. Tell me if there the same car...

Cant fine mine... grrr

Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 17 2005, 01:17 AM

nope.... diffferent. that one isnt flared...and has uglier wheels....

Posted by: Andyrew Mar 17 2005, 01:18 AM

Dang, just found mine..

Yup..

Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 17 2005, 01:22 AM

we are sad.... totally sad andrew...

Posted by: MattR Mar 17 2005, 01:24 AM

Posted by: skline Mar 17 2005, 01:26 AM

So is this a kids thread or can anyone post here??

Posted by: GWN7 Mar 17 2005, 01:30 AM

QUOTE (skline @ Mar 16 2005, 11:26 PM)

So is this a kids thread or can anyone post here??

I hope not, cause I'm older than dirt

Posted by: skline Mar 17 2005, 01:31 AM

I see that, you are even older than I am by a few years. I dont feel so old now

Posted by: Andyrew Mar 17 2005, 01:32 AM

Hey... I was gettin excited...

at any rate, I have no clue where I found those pics...

Andrew

Posted by: GWN7 Mar 17 2005, 01:33 AM

Age is a state of mind.....and what I don't mind, don't matter.

Posted by: MattR Mar 17 2005, 01:55 AM

QUOTE (skline @ Mar 16 2005, 11:26 PM)

So is this a kids thread or can anyone post here??

Dont you feel like a kid when you're hanging out with us? Comeon scott, between clayton, aaron, and myself you should feel like you're 20 again!

Posted by: redshift Mar 17 2005, 02:48 AM

I hope we don't get prosecuted!

I need a nose job. <--- do NOT edit that.. lmao.

We need a moonwalking smiley, just for this very message...



Yeah yeah I ain't got time to look all night..


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Posted by: BIGKAT_83 Mar 17 2005, 05:18 AM

This makes the third time that car has been for sale in a ??? year. It was for sale here in the classifieds by some one from IL. Then didn't it sell on Ebay for 9.5K just a few mounths ago.

Skline is right the radiator is a early renegade. I had one and it cooled just fine.

Bob

Posted by: teenrookie Mar 17 2005, 09:17 AM

That makes sense the owners wife said he just bought a Chevelle off ebay, and is selling this to fund it.

When I talked to the owner on the phone he said he bought it 10 months ago to clean up and turn for a profit.

It has been in the trader for $12,500, then $11,250 and now $10,500.

Before I went and saw it I asked if he would consider $8000 for the car. He said that was "a little too low"

I bet he bought it after the auction closed, site unseen and is now bummed.

But for the right price and person (Aaron) this could be a great car.

Posted by: new914lover May 23 2005, 11:10 AM

Well I just won this car on Ebay for 8.8k, but haven't paid the piper yet. Based on what you guys have seen, is this car worth that? Unfortunately for me, I'm a newbie with very limited 914 knowledge.

Posted by: Headrage May 23 2005, 11:15 AM

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Mar 16 2005, 06:40 PM)

the car had lots of goodies....but it was a 5k car...tops.... guy wanted 12k for it...he has been had if he paid that much for it

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 23 2005, 11:27 AM

ouch. im sorry.

the car has been in a rear end collision and wasnt fixed. just had fiberglass installed. trunk overhangs by an inch or so.

look at the pictures in this thread

Posted by: lagunero May 23 2005, 11:36 AM

QUOTE (new914lover @ May 23 2005, 10:10 AM)

Well I just won this car on Ebay for 8.8k, but haven't paid the piper yet. Based on what you guys have seen, is this car worth that? Unfortunately for me, I'm a newbie with very limited 914 knowledge.

If the car has been misrepresented in any way perhaps you'd want to exercise our right to refuse. I believe in honoring my word but I've learned to do so only when all parties involved are honest. Good luck.

Posted by: new914lover May 23 2005, 11:41 AM

Ouch! Okay I read that it was rear ended, but I didn't fully realize the fact that the trunk overhung the rear end by an inch or so. Yikes! Well I guess I'll be getting a negative Ebay review, because there's no way I'm paying that much for a car with that much unrepaired body damage. Thanks for the info.

Posted by: new914lover May 23 2005, 11:58 AM

Ouch! Okay I read that it was rear ended, but I didn't fully realize the fact that the trunk overhung the rear end by an inch or so. Yikes! Well I guess I'll be getting a negative Ebay review, because there's no way I'm paying that much for a car with that much unrepaired body damage. Thanks for the info.

Posted by: Toast May 23 2005, 01:47 PM

If the Ebay ad for that car DID NOT mention the rear body damage, you could place a claim with ebay for "misrepresentation", "not as described".

Ask someone here how to do that process.
Then, you would not have to fullfill the payment because the car was not as described in the ad.
If you recieve negative feedback, counter-feedback and stand your ground.

Good luck!

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 23 2005, 01:56 PM

send ebay some of the ugly rear trunk pics from this thread.

Posted by: Lou W May 23 2005, 02:08 PM

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Posted: Mar 17 2005, 12:08 AM   "Luke, use the torque" Group: Members Posts: 2969 Member No.: 172 Joined: 20-January 03 Location: Modesto, Ca Looking through my pics... Found something intersting... Attached image: --------------------

How was the gap on the rear of the doors?

Posted by: Root_Werks May 23 2005, 02:15 PM

If this guy wanted $12k for this car, I would buy Graigs V8 914 for $13k in a heart beat. I had a chance to drive it around for a few days, VERY nice car.

This one doesn't look too bad in the pictures, but could be very different in person.

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 23 2005, 02:17 PM

take a look at the crumpled trunk pics.

pushed in around an inch....

Posted by: new914lover May 23 2005, 04:26 PM

Hey Aaron,

Dumb question, but I'm assuming that the trunk couldn't even close right?

Of course the Ebay ad said nothing about the rear end damage and I even asked about what things were wrong with the car.

Thanks to all of you for helping me avoid a big mistake.

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 23 2005, 04:39 PM

trunk closed. it was just offset or something.


PM teenrookie.
he may remember more than me

Posted by: neo914-6 May 23 2005, 06:16 PM

The pictures of the trunk don't look like it's an inch off. Many of these 30 year old 914 lid's don't close well and have varied width gaps.

The internal sheetmetal damage on many repairs aren't replaced or cosmetically fixed as long as the chassis is aligned and the outer panels are straight. That's what they did with $9k of work on my wife's Benz. They did not go in an weld a new inner section that had creases. That type of work would have totaled the car according to the insurance company. The installation quality of the fiberglass flare is another story. Who really takes the time to install them nicely except a proud owner. You saw it up close so you must have seen an overall quality or lack of...

Anytime you don't personally inspect the car there is risk. I took a risk on a car in another state because I knew the value of the tuned engine alone was worth my purchase price. I was happy to find the car as immaculate as the seller described.

Posted by: redshift May 23 2005, 06:21 PM

I have been less than satisfied with long distance purchases described as 'the best I'd ever had'.



M

Posted by: neo914-6 May 23 2005, 08:48 PM

QUOTE (redshift @ May 23 2005, 04:21 PM)

I have been less than satisfied with long distance purchases described as 'the best I'd ever had'. M

You never know what the other guy is thinking, but that's probably a good thing...

sorry it didn't work out for you.

Posted by: new914lover May 23 2005, 11:16 PM

Aaron,

Thanks for your helpful information and advice. I had another question about the rear trunk. Your photo #2 shows a closeup of the trunk that looks like the trunk is slightly ajar. From what you remember, am I right in assuming that the trunk is closed in the photo and looks ajar when closed?

Posted by: Aaron Cox May 23 2005, 11:21 PM

dont remember

i remember a larger than normal gap from the tail apnel to the lip of the trunk.

again. PM teen rookie

Posted by: rhodyguy May 24 2005, 08:23 AM

i'm with you on that one dan. for a bit more money the yellow flared 8 at camp is a better purchase, it has significant suspension and brake upgrades as well. just too fast for me.

k

Posted by: teenrookie May 24 2005, 08:39 PM

I think you should stay away from the car for that price. There will be a lot of work required to correct the body. The car was in bad enough shape all around that Aaron and I decided to stop our PPI and take it for a quick drive. We never even got to the longs; that could be an entirely new nightmare. If he did not disclose the bondo, rear damage, broken 'glass seams etc., that Aaron and I found quickly, it could be very scarey with a full inspection.

If you are still curious you might drive out there, it is only an hour from Long Beach (if you go between 10:00 PM and 4:00 AM )

I would not worry about the negative, list the link in your reply.