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Posted by: Qarl Jun 13 2003, 03:31 PM

Finally remembered to bring the camera to take a picture of the shortblock. or the mid-block. It's not quite a long block yet.

Cylinder heads are getting new studs, valves, and valve springs. Cams are on order.

Nice and shiny 98mm J&E Pistons and cylinders.

Regards,


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Posted by: Aaron Cox Jun 13 2003, 03:34 PM

thas purdy

way cool....thanx for the pics

Posted by: Lawrence914-6 Jun 13 2003, 03:46 PM

Someday I'll get to do my own engine, too.

It doesn't really *need* it now... but it sure would be fun.

Posted by: Aaron Cox Jun 13 2003, 04:02 PM

is one able to do a 911 engine with common hand tools? lika a type IV? or is it lots harder than that?

Posted by: Mark Henry Jun 13 2003, 04:33 PM

One needs some special tools for setting up the cams, you can make homemade tools but you will also need a dial indicator.

Posted by: elmonte Jun 13 2003, 04:47 PM

Looks real nice Karl What kind of compression ratio ? cams? intake?

Posted by: Qarl Jun 13 2003, 04:54 PM

I didn't mean to mislead people. I'm not building the engine.

Harro Zitza from Zotz Racing here in Winter Park, Florida is building it. He's in his late sixties maybe 70 or so. Been building and racing Porsches for 40+ years.

These are the specs.

1979 3.0L SC core - disassembled - magnafluxed, polished, crank and rods, blah blah

Early SC heads with the larger intakes and single plugs - new valves, springs, guides, etc.

98mm J&E Pistons & Cylinders 9.8:1 CR optimized for carbs with deeper valve recesses

Elgin Modified S cams (not quite as peaky, but the displacement will help smoothe out some of the peakiness anyways)

Electromotive Distributorless Ignition

New Oil Cooler

3.6L Carrera Oil Pump

46mm Weber IDA carbs

Kennedy Performance 9" Clutch Package flywheel, and Stage II pressure plate...

It will be a 3.2L short stroke when finished.

Should put out 250-260 ponies....

Moowaahahaaaa

Posted by: Mueller Jun 13 2003, 05:00 PM

Vise-grips and a hammer is all that is needed

Wayne @ Pelican wrote a nice book on rebuilding the 911 engine...good reading...of course Bruce Andersons 911 Performance Handbook is a must if you ever consider a 911 or just a 911 engine.........

Posted by: ChrisReale Jun 13 2003, 05:00 PM

Karl, I know yo said it is for a street car, but if you dont AX it, Im gonna take it personally! Seriously, that would be a blast to take through some cones

Posted by: elmonte Jun 13 2003, 05:01 PM

If your the one with the money and the one who says
what going in it then your the one building the motor

Posted by: maf914 Jun 14 2003, 07:42 AM

Karl,

I don't know much about 911 parts, but who makes the cylinders which you indicate as J&E? Or are these Porsche cylinders with J&E pistons? Just curious because I thought the number or sources for Nickasil or Alumisil cylinders was very limited.

Mike

Posted by: Qarl Jun 14 2003, 08:22 AM

The cylinders are from EBS racing (pistons too). I think the cost is like $950 for a set of cylinders on exchange. Or you have to pay a core fee. They are not new... but redone and new Nikasil applied.

Pistons are new.

www.ebsracing.com

Posted by: 914Timo Jun 16 2003, 05:44 AM

Wow, looks good.

Dont forget to take camera with you next time you visit there. At least I would like to see more pics and heard the latest news. Your engine (and the hole car) will be really nice and interesting.

About those pistons and cylinders, did the $950 includec the pistons also ?? If not, may I ask how much they were ??

I just asked from Andial how much the real new Mahle big bore kit is. Pete Sanchez was very nice and told me the price for a set of the 3.2 from 3.0 pistons and cylinders is $3547.

Posted by: Qarl Jun 16 2003, 05:48 AM

It's not that much cheaper at EBS Racing.

I think everything ran under $3K (Pistons and Clyinders)... don't have the order in front of me... but not cheap!

Posted by: 914Timo Jun 16 2003, 06:04 AM

OK, it was cylinders only. Many thanks about the info.

Posted by: Qarl Jul 24 2003, 05:59 PM

Long block is almost done.

Just waiting to install the rocker arms...

I pick up the fan and fan shroud from the powder coater tomorrow (along with headlight buckets, and pedal cluster pieces).

Carbon Fiber shroud and watershields should be here tomorrow or Monday and then the rest of the engine can come together...


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Posted by: Qarl Jul 24 2003, 06:01 PM

Tensioner and cam sprockets... Elgin S-cams have been timed. (Pretty much the same grind as the GE60).


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Posted by: ChrisReale Jul 24 2003, 07:03 PM

Way cool Karl. The time is getting closer and closer. Bet you cant wait to plant your ass in the seat and fire it up for the first time!

Posted by: Dave Cawdrey Jul 24 2003, 07:07 PM

OMG!!

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 25 2003, 12:05 AM

Nice.. No HYD. tensioners.

Looks great Karl. You done good..

I could have gotten you some slack on the P+C's.. I'm pretty tight with Don and the group at EBS.


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Posted by: sixerdon Jul 25 2003, 06:30 AM

Carl,
What's the reason for not using Carrera Chain Tensioners?
Don

Posted by: Qarl Jul 25 2003, 06:45 AM

The mechanical tensioners are just as reliable as the pressure-fed ones. They just need to be adjusted at around the same intervals as the valves. They tend to be a bit noisier at startup but then tighten up after the engine warms up and expands.

Ask any racer about mechanical vs. hydraulic and you will get your answer. The majority of the mechanical failures is because of the old Ronco train of thought... "set it and forget it".

Posted by: rhodyguy Jul 25 2003, 08:06 AM

and geoff thought the westin was too pricey. what is your plan for the exhaust? header or he..'s.? we should zip down and you should talk to dave ellison when you are here. 1 hour +or- from seattle.

kevin

Posted by: Qarl Jul 25 2003, 09:31 AM

1 5/8" European Racing Headers from George Narbel in Nevada are on their way. Then off to Jet Hot for coating...

My finished engine should loke something along the lines of... but the carbs won't be as "bling bling" as the new PMOs on this guy's engine...


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Posted by: Qarl Jul 25 2003, 09:34 AM

Carbon Fiber Shroud...


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Posted by: James Adams Jul 25 2003, 09:52 AM

Why aren't you using SSIs from Brad? Oh... that's right... he's into Ferraris and doesn't have time for HEs for 914/6s

Posted by: campbellcj Jul 25 2003, 10:25 AM

You coulda asked George to ship directly to Jet-Hot in Tempe AZ. I had GPR do that with my headers and they were at my door in a week, coated.

I know that JW (Otto) is not a big fan of the pressure-fed tensioners on race motors. I believe he runs regular hydraulic tensioners with stops. Plus, obviously race motors are pulled and inspected/serviced very frequently compared to typical street powerplants. I don't know if you can use stops with the Carrera ones; so, even though they don't fail very often -- they DO fail sometimes -- and they go completely slack.

I have also heard of issues with the PMO's from the racer crowd. They are a great product, but not quite as well "sorted" as the tried-n-true Webers, yet. I'm sticking with Webers for now and maybe in the future will jump to a Tec-III setup or something.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 25 2003, 10:48 AM

Yes Karl.. please put the locks on your tensioners just for 100% peace of mind.

Karl.. who did you end up buying the shroud from ?? I need to get one for customers conversion car (3.0) I know Getty seels them.. but I would like to at least do some shopping for one.


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Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 25 2003, 10:49 AM

Oh.. can Chris or Karl PLEASE post Georges contact info.. several people have asked me for it and I have to dig out paperwork everytime (can't seam to get his info in the computer)


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Posted by: campbellcj Jul 25 2003, 10:57 AM

George Narbel
European Racing Headers
1010 N. Stephanie St.
Unit C-7
Henderson, NV 89014
(702) 433-9189

No email, web site, or credit cards AFAIK...

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 25 2003, 11:00 AM

Thanks Chris.. I'm going to put him on the "Vendors page"



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Posted by: Mike D. Jul 25 2003, 12:51 PM

Isn't it a PITA to get to them with engine in the car? The front cooling tin runs right across the front of the chain cover plate.

-Mike D.

Posted by: Qarl Jul 25 2003, 02:34 PM

Get the shroud from AIR (American International Racing)

A 911 internet friend of mine... bought the shroud from GT Racing, one other outfit, and from AIR.

He returned the GT racing and the other shroud because the quality was crap.

The shroud is about $600 for five pieces... (main engine shroud, oil cooler cover, 2 block offs, and the fifth piece which escapes me because I am tired).

Here is the guy who can make you carbon fiber watershields for your K&N.

carbonjoe@attbi.com


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Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 25 2003, 02:50 PM

We already buy from carbon Joe.. thanks !!


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Posted by: ein 6er Jul 25 2003, 04:38 PM

karl, i'd love to see your grin after your first drive!!

is carbon joe making the watershields again?!? has anybody been in contact with him??

doug

Posted by: Qarl Jul 25 2003, 05:01 PM

Joe is SLOOOOW to respond, but he's making the watershields again. He's vacuum backing them new which pulls the resin through the CF better.

I think they are $125 a pair including shipping.

Regards,

Karl

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jul 25 2003, 05:04 PM

bagging... vacuum bagging them. Not trying to correct you.. just letting people know the process.

RogerS does this with all his fiberglass components. It makes them much much stronger (no air gaps..which is typically where it would crack when under stress)


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Posted by: Qarl Jul 25 2003, 05:43 PM

The fan and fan shroud came back from the powder coater.

Too bad the shiny shroud will face the firewall and no one will see it


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Posted by: Jeroen Jul 25 2003, 05:47 PM

Looking gooooooood!
If you're making the "latch" in the firewall for the fanbelt replacement/adjustment access, make it out of lexan

cheers,

Jeroen

Posted by: seanery Jul 26 2003, 12:46 AM

Karl,

I polished my fan and then Alex said, "what are you doing that for" I says "so it'll look good" and he says "yeah, but who's gonna see it" I says "oh, I will until we install it" DOH.


It looks nice, and I would do it again!

Very nice Job!!