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Posted by: Bobby Smith Feb 4 2016, 05:16 PM

I usually frequent the 914 world classified section only so I may late to the party but how about a 914 R Gruppe. Something for the modified 914 owners. Maybe a gathering (I'm on the "right" coast) Drives, tech sessions, T shirts, decals etc.
Just a thought. If one already exist, sign me up.

Posted by: stevegm Feb 4 2016, 05:24 PM

It's funny you mentioned that. I have an article coming in Fourteener Motoring about a 914 R Gruppe. I'll post a link in here when it is live (if I ever get around to finishing it).

Posted by: Larmo63 Feb 4 2016, 05:34 PM

My idea was to do a take off on the idea.

Since 914s and their owners are already so different, how about "914 F Truppe?"

We could use the same logo they do, but to be a 914 owner, you already are a bit "off."

Posted by: mepstein Feb 4 2016, 05:36 PM

I'd like to have a gathering at our shop. Owner started out as a 914 guy and stil has his first 914 and 914-6 race car. Plenty of room to host inside if it rained and we are 5 minutes from 95 and 5 minutes from fun driving roads. Maybe a month or 3 after Hershey.

Posted by: stevegm Feb 4 2016, 05:51 PM

If you all decide to do something and want a logo/shirt designed, I'll do it if you like. And send me the info on the group and I'll stick it in the next issue of the magazine. I'd like to say I'd show up with a 914. But, at this point I am not even sure I will have one at Hershey this year.

Posted by: RobW Feb 4 2016, 06:36 PM

Or maybe a 914 F Union?

Posted by: RobW Feb 4 2016, 06:37 PM

Sorry, what's an R Grouppe?

Posted by: Alphaogre Feb 4 2016, 07:07 PM

How about N.A.R.P Gruppe?

Posted by: Chris H. Feb 4 2016, 07:11 PM

^^^^^

Posted by: bigkensteele Feb 4 2016, 07:35 PM

I am not sure that I would want to be part of a 914 R group if they operated like the 911 R group. I am fine with clubs having selective membership, but theirs just rubs me the wrong way for some reason. I could have kept my 911 and sold the 914, but I decided to keep the 914 and sell the 911 instead. It came down to which community I wanted to be affiliated with. I have been here for almost 12 years. After a couple of years on Pelican, the choice was clear. I am by no means insulting anyone who owns a 911, but the vibe is just different.

Put it this way, I owned a slantnose conversion that happened to have red gauge faces when I bought it. The reception that I received was similar to if I had brought a St. Bernard/teacup poodle mix to the Westminster dog show.

Posted by: rick 918-S Feb 4 2016, 07:41 PM

How about this? Honorary member of the SoCal 911 R Gruppe

Posted by: colingreene Feb 4 2016, 07:45 PM

should buff right out.

Posted by: tweet Feb 4 2016, 07:50 PM

From http://petrolicious.com/

What would entice you to wake up early on a Saturday morning and stand in the rain on a small side street in front of an auto salvage yard? What would make you want to come back and do that every month? For the members of the Porsche R Gruppe, the enticement is a little bit about cars, and a little bit more about the owners of these cars.

Formed as a result of a magazine article and a couple guys with common interests, the R Gruppe is an invitation-only classic Porsche car club with membership focused on the early 911 (1963-1973). The cars on display this particularly dreary Saturday morning spanned the range of early 911 model years, but as the club’s “Dictator”, Cris Huergas would tell you, the cars are only a part of what makes the group special.

In April 1998, Porsche Excellence magazine featured Cris’ lightweight modified 1969 911S along with his 1974 911 Carrera and three other early 911s owned by his brothers. Shortly after this article appeared, Huergas was contacted by Freeman Thomas who had been working on an early Porsche of his own and was impressed with Huergas’ build. The two spoke on the phone for several hours and out of the conversation (and a few subsequent in-person meetings) came the realization that there wasn’t really a car club for the type of car they wanted to build and drive. Since there was no car club for the hot-rod Porsche, the idea for the R Gruppe born.

The club doesn’t have any written requirements for membership, but is generally limited to early Porsche 911s—long-hood Porsches built through 1973, prior to the US introduction of impact bumpers—that have been modified with a “sporting” purpose and owners that exemplify the R Gruppe ethos. Huergas noted that, “just having a nice car doesn’t guarantee membership.” He said that prospective members are encouraged to attend events and get to know the group; if there’s chemistry prospects might just earn their membership.

In 2000, a year after the club was formed, Huergas and Thomas organized a meet in central California for the club members from Northern and Southern California to meet up. Only expecting about 30 cars, word had quickly spread and nearly 100 modified Porsches showed up to a small hotel in Cambria. The meet was ultimately a success and everyone had a great time...subsequently, the group was also asked to not come back to the hotel. While there wasn’t a possibility for a reunion meet at the same hotel, the R Gruppe has since held its annual Treffen (German for meeting) on the mid-coast of California for members from around the globe.

It was quickly realized that the group could grow out of control if a cap wasn’t placed on membership. Since that time, membership has been limited to around 300 worldwide and to maintain good standing within the club, members are expected to make efforts to attend events when they can. People who join just so they can get an R Gruppe badge and then don’t show up to events don’t last long with the group, who are protective of the membership and the group’s identity.

Over the years, the club has earned a reputation for being overly exclusive and arrogant, but to Huergas, the exclusivity is there to maintain the camaraderie of the group, without which it would just be a group of guys with old cars, “the spirit of the group is in the people, not their cars.” Despite this forthrightness about the membership, a 2010 article in Automobile Magazine sums up outside opinions of the club. (Click here for the link.)

“…the organization has become a lightning rod for haters from all four corners of the car world. To the august Porsche Club of America, R Gruppe is populated by a bunch of yahoos with no respect for tradition. To the hard-core racers who dominate the Porsche Owners Club, R Gruppe is full of poseurs who'd rather look fast than go fast. To early 911 aficionados who haven't been invited to join the club…R Gruppe is a gated community reserved for arrogant snobs. To high-dollar collectors, R Gruppe provides a prescription for replicars and fakey-doos that cost more to build than they're worth on the open market.”

Even if other clubs hold a less-than-glowing opinion of the R Gruppe, that didn’t seem to prevent a number of non-members (myself included) from showing up at European Auto Salvage Yard in Emeryville, CA, on a grey morning early in April. The Bay Area R Gruppe members meet at EASY every first Saturday of the month to hang out, talk shop, and show off their latest modifications.

The members I met were convivial and happy to talk about their cars, from a rare and recently restored 1968 911S to a 1973.5 911T CIS that’s still undergoing its own restoration. Among the members’ cars, you’ll find Porsches of every vintage and people wandering from one curb to the other ogling the cars. It’s a monthly car show that isn’t really a show, hosted by a club that seems to be the antithesis of all the other Porsche clubs out there…and the R Gruppe wouldn’t have it any other way.

Posted by: Larmo63 Feb 4 2016, 10:23 PM

After reading that, I think F Truppe is even a better idea. I have an idea for what our logo could be:

Posted by: colingreene Feb 4 2016, 10:30 PM

F Truppe 4 lyfe.
Lets get stickers.

Posted by: whitetwinturbo Feb 4 2016, 10:57 PM

F sounds good............everyone tells me to F Off all the time

Posted by: VegasRacer Feb 4 2016, 11:05 PM

"F" stands for "fourteen", right.

Posted by: 23e Heure Feb 5 2016, 07:19 AM

I own an early 911, and am not a member of R Gruppe, and have never felt the desire to be.

A 914 equivalent however would be different (as the responses so far in the thread have amply demonstrated)...

Whatever we call it, put my name down now for membership!

Posted by: brant Feb 5 2016, 08:27 AM

Narp

Posted by: mbseto Feb 5 2016, 09:40 AM

Like the outlaw thread a while back, it seems like this kind of 914 owner is the rule, whereas that kind of 911 owner is the exception. The subset of 914 owners would be the "normal" guys.

Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 5 2016, 09:48 AM

The OG owner maybe ,not the car...sorry there is a screening process and I believe the 914 is low on the list..Eddie914 is a sorta kinda member in the PNW Rgruppe..they let him show up...he may have to buy the beer also

Posted by: Mueller Feb 5 2016, 09:50 AM

^my thoughts exactly.


Too many modified 914s already for an exclusive club or group.

I see nothing wrong with the 911 R Gruppe idea or format. I doubt I'll ever own an older 911 to get invited or turned down so no big deal to me.


As for the slantnose 911 mentioned, I don't think one should get shunned due to that mod since it was a factory option for some years, I also think it does not fit into the R Gruppe format of modified cars and does not belong within that group of cars.

Posted by: ConeDodger Feb 5 2016, 10:26 AM

I show up at RGruppe events pretty consistently in a company car. I have never felt less than completely welcome. In fact, I've noticed that when something completely different shows up, it gathers a crowd.

I think they are meeting tomorrow at EASY. I'll be there. Come on down and crash the event...

Posted by: bigkensteele Feb 5 2016, 10:33 AM

It wasn't the R Gruppe guys. It was the general vibe on Pelican's 911 board. I am sure that it wasn't everyone, but the guys that weren't shy about posting felt that original examples were what they were, but a car that was converted to a slantnose was akin to a frilly baby blue tuxedo. I got '80s jabs and Miami Vice comments a lot.

I didn't care for the red gauges either, so I replaced them. When I posted the red ones in the classifieds, my FS thread got roasted because that mod was not something a sensible 911 owner would ever consider.

I am not a thin-skinned kind of guy, but I just don't fit in with that crowd. I like it here, where we can poke fun at one another, and I can do whatever I want with my car without getting flamed.

Posted by: thieuster Feb 5 2016, 11:31 AM

A-Z Gruppe, I don't mind. I really would like to get my hands on one of those great t-shirts with a 914 on it!

I have the 914World t-shirt. I sometimes have to explain why... But I don't mind another for 2016!

With this global warming, the chances of wearing a t-shirt 'en public' is growing every day. So it would be best to wear a nice one!

Menno

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Feb 5 2016, 12:42 PM

This.

Early R Gruppe newsletters (they were very cool, and much like the old Twin Trunks Tribune) stated that R Gruppe was for sports purposes style hot rods based on two Porsches: early 911s and 914-6s—and included coverage of both cars. There always were a lot more 911s, but I was welcomed at events even with a 914-4.

I'm planning to be there tomorrow morning, too. It's really an EASY gathering more than an R Gruppe thing, and if you haven't been to EASY, it's one of the gems in the Bay Area Porsche community.

As for a 914 "R Gruppe," I had to laugh at the F Gruppe, but I think 914world.com effectively IS the R Gruppe for 914s?

I don't think the R Gruppe has anything quite like the ultra active community surrounding this forum.

pete

Posted by: matthepcat Feb 5 2016, 12:58 PM

Just join the 914 outlaw group on Facebook.... done.

Posted by: R8CERX Feb 5 2016, 01:08 PM

...where do you have your nails done?

I need to get mine done.... ....

Posted by: thieuster Feb 5 2016, 01:09 PM

I did't know that is one! I'm only a lurker on Fb, so I'll have a look from time to time!

We could consider a W Gruppe ('world' Gruppe).

Menno

Posted by: rick 918-S Feb 5 2016, 01:57 PM

Yep, Not me the former owner. That ok by me. I think there are many cars and owners here that could show many of those guys our tail lights anyway. Now that's outlaw...

Posted by: RobW Feb 5 2016, 02:01 PM

Um, what's an R Gruppe?

Posted by: tweet Feb 5 2016, 02:04 PM

Scroll up for answer.

Posted by: bernbomb914 Feb 5 2016, 02:11 PM

you have got to be kidding. you dont need anything else but WORLD

Posted by: porschetub Feb 5 2016, 02:15 PM

Hows that car going ?,enjoy seeing this one come back from the dead

Posted by: SLITS Feb 5 2016, 02:55 PM

Brant nailed it. R Gruppe ..... BLAH ..... I'll be a NARP Gruppe forever! We do have an ultra secret handshake.

Posted by: boxstr Feb 5 2016, 02:57 PM

Here is decal for members of the 914 R Gruppe. The 1 could possibly relate to the member number, when they joined?
Craig at CAMP


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Posted by: Mr. Olympic Blue 2 You Feb 5 2016, 03:25 PM

I am not a thin-skinned kind of guy, but I just don't fit in with that crowd. I like it here, where we can poke fun at one another, and I can do whatever I want with my car without getting flamed.
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You obviously haven't put a WTB for a 916 bumper or thought NOS tail light lenses were actually worth $400/pr.

Posted by: Chris H. Feb 5 2016, 03:31 PM

So this would be the secret wave ? I'm ready to join right now if so.

Can we also ban the word "convivial"? Just saw it in the R Gruppe article. How many people googled it just to get the exact meaning ?

Posted by: sixnotfour Feb 5 2016, 03:41 PM

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Posted by: rgalla9146 Feb 5 2016, 05:20 PM

Sign me up..... here and there !
The difference between the groups ( gruppes !) is that here we do the modifications and developments ourselves, there, they say that their guy is _ _ _ _ and he did this or recommended that I do that, blah blah blah.
In the end, both types of cars are pretty cool and the enthusiasm is real.

Posted by: 396 Feb 5 2016, 05:32 PM

First, thanks for the education on how the R Group was founded.
As for those that feel have a dislike of their membership criteria. .. so what.
Halfway through this trend, I found someone who likes to wear a T Shirt. . My family always ask me why I wear a T shirt and jeans.
My response has always been, Monday through Friday I have to wear a white shirt and a tie. On weekends, I wear T shirt and jeans...as I don't need to impress anyone.
So I might or might not get invited. .. if I don't, I'm okay too.
There's more to life than that. Oh, they have some interesting 911's for sure.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Feb 5 2016, 06:36 PM

WOW this thread sure took off. Less than 24 hours and 3 pages. Pretty funny stuff too.
There's interest in this. We just need organization.

Posted by: Bobby Smith Feb 5 2016, 06:38 PM

Love the logo. Since I started this thread, may I be #1?

Posted by: boxstr Feb 5 2016, 07:09 PM

You can be #1 I'll be #2. Let's get some decals made! Pm me if you want to continue.
Craig at CAMP

Posted by: rgalla9146 Feb 5 2016, 07:53 PM

6...... I want to be six..... member number six please !
And Ray Mital wants to be number four.
Please sign us sign up.

Posted by: wndsnd Feb 5 2016, 08:40 PM

Do you have to install Magnus steering wheels?

Posted by: JamesM Feb 5 2016, 09:11 PM

I thought this whole subject sounded familiar to me

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=262635&st=100

I think Jeff Bowlsby summed up my thoughts pretty well.


not my deal at all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMTkedIUX8U

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Feb 5 2016, 11:18 PM

914 enthusiasts stereotyping R Gruppe enthusiasts in 2016 is just as lame as 356/911/912 enthusiasts stereotyping 914 enthusiasts in the early 1970s.

Instead, why don't you roll out and you know, talk to some of these enthusiasts? The vast majority of the folks who come to EASY are the real sea and very cool. Okay, maybe not as cool as 914 folks, but I may be biased.

See you tomorrow, ConeDodger!

Posted by: JamesM Feb 6 2016, 12:35 AM

Stereotyping? If people were not attempting to apply a label to a subset of individuals there would be no group to sterotype in the first place. I am not the one looking to label people here.

I respect car enthusiast of any make or model, most of them are probably even good people, but what exactly is the point of an invitation only subset of a larger established community if not to be pretentious?

I've been rolling out and talking to Porsche enthusiasts literally since the day I learned to drive and never in this time have I seen any reason why anyone would need an invitation only exclusive label attached to them just for being an enthusiast. For people who do feel the need for an exclusive label ill gladly give them one of my own...

I have no problem with the people, I have a problem with the idea that being in an exclusive group brings any benefit to the community. Really whats the point?

Posted by: ConeDodger Feb 6 2016, 12:36 AM

Hope so. I am working so it depends on what is going down... But, I look forward to seeing you Pete!

Posted by: thieuster Feb 6 2016, 01:35 AM

I'm sure you can see how important it is to spread the message! Even when you're on hostile grounds...
An extremely hot afternoon in Maranello, last July.

http://s211.photobucket.com/user/TR3A1959/media/temporary_zpsb13bfycm.jpg.html

A shirt with the three dash gauges (especially with the tilted rev counter!) would be great as well! The position of the needles is very important, off course...


Menno

Posted by: mgp4591 Feb 6 2016, 02:16 AM

Uh... I think your shirt is on backwards...
But I LOVE the idea of a shirt with the gauges on it! Maybe the gauges on front and Save the 914 on the back?!
And being there were fewer 914s ever made than 911s, we're already pretty exclusive even if others don't think we size up. I'd rather drive something you don't see every day rather than feeling like I have to show everyone else the size of my bank account.

Posted by: thieuster Feb 6 2016, 03:05 AM

There are two versions: with the logo on the front and -you've guessed it- a version with the logo on the back.

I do have a shirt with the Porsche gear pattern on the front. I first saw it on Overhaulin' (the Chip Foose show) and last year I found it online.

Menno

Posted by: screenguy914 Feb 6 2016, 03:52 AM

Just pick a convenient location near coffee and breakfast edibles, then post the time and date. Drive car there, park and meet. Simple as that. No secret handshakes required.

Going to charge dues and issue membership cards, T-shirts and a newsletter? If you want to create a hierarchy, a board of directors, officers and such, by all means do it, but IMHO, it's really not necessary.

Posted by: somd914 Feb 6 2016, 07:20 AM

I guess I don't get it. Many times I see threads putting down the "big buck" 911 and 356 crowd and the snobbiness that is associated with some of those communities. Yet at the same time I see many threads expressing hope that our teeners will skyrocket in value and fund our retirements, or arguments why our cars should be worth such values, but yet with those types of prices, groups like R Gruppe are bound to occur; then the threads will start voicing complaints about how our rough and tumble, close-knit group of comraddes have become snobs.

I'm part of regular crowd that just doesn't play well with others. I've been chastised about mods to my 914 and 911 (but also been complimented) and I'm the odd man out in my regular group of car friends who prefer pasta over brats with their Ferraris and Lambos, most of them modified to some extent and also don't fit in well with their respective owner communities. To all of us it's about our interest in cars and friendship, not about originality or exclusivity.

Do we need an R Gruppe or similar? Come hang out in Hershey then get back with us... And that's not gas on top of the cooler

Posted by: The Cabinetmaker Feb 6 2016, 08:01 AM

I'm already a member of the most exclusive, radical, concours, outlaw, friendly car group on the face of the planet.




The 914 world.

Posted by: BeatNavy Feb 6 2016, 08:03 AM

I happen to be wearing the exact same shirt just now.

And, I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.

(Sorry, someone had to say it.)

Posted by: rhodyguy Feb 6 2016, 10:01 AM

Will the 914 R groupe be allowed to sit at the table at a breakfast? Will we get to vote on it? Should they have to cover the whole tip as they have vast amounts of to spend on parts to be allowed in their exclusive club? Will they have to park elsewhere? Many questions.

Posted by: r_towle Feb 6 2016, 10:05 AM

There is no need for a special group. We are all special.
The restoration guys may want a special group, but the rest of us have customized our cars.....most of us.

Posted by: Maltese Falcon Feb 6 2016, 12:05 PM

Our Socal get togethers rock ...great mix of people + cars. Mid engined, Rear engined, occasional muscle cars.
The only secret handshake might be the Larry, Moe and Curly greeting

Posted by: somd914 Feb 6 2016, 12:30 PM

Awesome, can't say I've seen that many 914's in one place outside of Hershey, and Amelia Island last year.

Posted by: Larmo63 Feb 6 2016, 01:32 PM

Many of us local 914 enthusiasts attended the Orange County Region's Saturday morning meet today. The 914, 944, 924, and 928 cars were featured.

I have to say that there was a really warm and interested (in our 914s) crowd there. They made us feel right at home. I counted 12 914s being in attendance.

Posted by: ConeDodger Feb 6 2016, 02:39 PM

Great seeing Pete Stout at the RGruppe event today in Emeryville. Too bad they asked him to leave because he was driving a 914...

Just kidding. Again, the most welcoming and interested crowd I've experienced. There was a 55 Chevy drag race car there with a crowd around it when I drove by 30 minutes ago.

Posted by: KELTY360 Feb 6 2016, 03:36 PM

Posted by: jmill Feb 6 2016, 04:21 PM

I'm all in on F Truppe. We can be exclusively inexclusive.

Posted by: somd914 Feb 6 2016, 05:54 PM

Reminds me of college when we stood up Sigma Omega Beta (SOB) the anti-frat. Great sweatshirts, great parties (at least that's what we were told...)

Posted by: bigkensteele Feb 6 2016, 06:46 PM

Funny! We were Beta Alpha Gamma, and we called the girls we hung out with BAG Ladies. We had sweatshirts made too.

I will never forget when I was a freshman, I got a call from some real frat guy asking me to pledge. I told him that I was already in a fraternity. He asked which one, and I told him Beta Alpha Gamma. There was a moment of silence, and then he asked "BAG"? I said "yeah". He said that he had never heard of it, and I told him that was because my buddies and I had made it up. He got pissed off and told me that we couldn't just make up a fraternity, and I told him "sure we can, and it doesn't cost anything either". That really pissed him off.

Posted by: RickS Feb 6 2016, 11:06 PM

Spoiler alert, there are many R Gruppe members amongst us, and I am one of them.

I personally know five other R Gruppe teener owners who enjoy their teeners and enjoy contributing and learning from World. There are probably far more since 914s make such excellent platforms to hotrod, as if I am telling you sometihing you don't already know.

What I can say about the car club is that they are pretty much like any other car club. A bunch of enthusiasts who are regular guys who enjoy getting together to talk cars as well as drive. A major attraction is their No egos policy. No primadonas, no 'my dick is bigger than yours' kind of BS.

The reason for the limit of 300 is not to be exclusive or snobby but to keep the club manageable. When there are dues, national get togethers, swag, regional groups and track sessions, you can only herd so many cats. And 300 seems to work.

An exclusive group dedicated to teeners is a great idea but you will need more than stickers. it will require a ton of work, dedicated volunteers, a dues collection mechanism and a lot of organization. People will have to step up and commit their time.

If the real purpose is to stick it to the R Gruppe, then get in line. Unfortunately the line is base on lack of a real understanding that they are just like you, car guys who work hard to make the club something worthwhile. But as the old true-ism goes, anything worthwhile takes effort.

Party on.

Posted by: r_towle Feb 6 2016, 11:10 PM

Some day soon I need to fly out there for a long weekend and hang out with you....

Rich

Posted by: rick 918-S Feb 7 2016, 06:38 AM

I have some rough pulls made but I am trying to clear my plate. Spring is coming.

Seriously, I have heard the 911 R guys look for easy going good natured generous people that will project a positive image. My kind of people. Sounds like 914'ers to me. But hey, I still think there are some cars on this site that can show them their tail lights..

Posted by: jmill Feb 7 2016, 07:58 AM

I know of this fantastic place called "914world" where the members welcome and help everyone.

We were once alienated by the 911 crowd and told the 914 isn't a real Porsche. Now you want to form an exclusive group within this community to further alienate us? I say f&@k that.

F Truppe FTW.

Posted by: somd914 Feb 7 2016, 08:00 AM

If only it didn't cost and arm and leg and then some to live out there...

Even in the DC area with places like Katie's Cars and Coffee which can easily pull in well over 200 cars on a Saturday morning, you can find countless 911s and numerous 356s, but 914s, 924s, 944s, and 928s are a rarity. However my 914 generally gets a good bit of interest.

Posted by: stevegm Feb 7 2016, 08:03 AM

Nice. There were a few shirts printed on the back early on. Kinda like sixes - a small %. The gauge idea is cool. I'll see what I can work up.

Posted by: somd914 Feb 7 2016, 08:34 AM

Steve,

Interesting

How many of each color did you print on the back? Just trying to gauge how rare my red shirt with back side logo is? You know, trying to establish a value, might be time to post it in the classifieds, plus I wore it on the Hershey drive last year with pics to prove it, so that has to add to the value...

- Scott

Posted by: stevegm Feb 7 2016, 08:38 AM

Red too? Very rare, indeed. We did one batch of red. But, three or four batches of black. About 90% - 95% of them were on the front. Maybe we will run some more. Wouldn't it be great if the factory just ran some more 914s through the assembly line? If only it were that easy.

Posted by: somd914 Feb 7 2016, 08:42 AM

Steve

Seriously, you did a great job on these shirts. Perhaps appease the crowds and print F Gruppe shirts, or R Gruppe, or No Gruppe shirts...

Posted by: stevegm Feb 7 2016, 08:48 AM

I tend to think that we are all in our own 914World "R Gruppe." But if we get a consensus on a subname like that, I'll design some up. In the mean time, I like - No Gruppe. Or 914S Gruppe. Only because there is so much old debate over the 914S.

Posted by: tygaboy Feb 7 2016, 09:07 AM

I'm with the folks who have experienced the R Gruppe as "regular" folk. As with many stereotypes, they kinda fall apart once you have direct experience.
And FWIW, a good buddy of mine is an R Gruppe member. He has an RS tribute car but, wait for it...
...was invited to become a member when he owned a 914 v8 with Fachs and a SBC.

Really just a bunch of regular guys.

All that said, my vote goes to F Gruppe.

or maybe Get A Gruppe

Posted by: falcor75 Feb 7 2016, 09:22 AM

Some day I'd like to see another 914 in traffic.....I've never ever seen one....yeah...they're not common around here...

Posted by: Mueller Feb 7 2016, 09:48 AM

I know they say Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but to me it would be an outright attempt to copy something already well done and a little embarrassing since there are 914's in the 911 R Gruppe already.

Posted by: RickS Feb 7 2016, 09:51 AM

Steve, if you do another run, I'm in for one.

Posted by: stevegm Feb 7 2016, 10:01 AM

I tend to agree with you. And I see all 914 owners as sorta the rebels, if you will. Unless, that is, the R Gruppe concept has extended beyond that initial group and has become somewhat universally used to describe a certain type of car, etc. Sorta like "outlaw." But we already have an outlaw group, I think.

Posted by: Porschef Feb 7 2016, 10:19 AM

Wow, a lot of responses on this one, I gotta agree with Steve, Curt, Rich and other's position that if you own and drive a teener, you're already part of a "special" group. 'Nuff said.

I had a 911, it was a lovely car. But it didn't make me smile like the 914.

Posted by: stevegm Feb 7 2016, 10:33 AM

I have some in inventory. Save the 914 and Save the 914-6. You can order here - savethe914.com

I think they are all black on the website. We can print red and blue ones too. We are getting ready to print a bunch of shirts this month.

Posted by: RickS Feb 7 2016, 10:52 AM

Ordered. Thanks

Posted by: Bobby Smith Feb 9 2016, 03:11 PM

I have some in inventory. Save the 914 and Save the 914-6. You can order here - savethe914.com

I think they are all black on the website. We can print red and blue ones too. We are getting ready to print a bunch of shirts this month.
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Ordered. Thanks
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I ordered mine.
Anyone here in VA Beach active on 914 World?

Posted by: mgp4591 Feb 9 2016, 05:29 PM

If there was a bunch of us could we get a Gruppe On...?

Posted by: dale73914 Feb 12 2016, 04:21 AM

not many in Australia either !!!

Posted by: MoveQik Feb 12 2016, 01:15 PM

Can't say that I have ever met an RGruppe member personally but their cars....
Each one is better than the next.

IMHO, there isn't even an average car in the group, they are all amazing in their own way. There was a time when there weren't enough top shelf 914's to even worry about getting them all in one place. Not the case today! Every 914 event I see a couple of new cars that are worthy of a full feature article in a magazine. And now....its not just a pretty paint job, they have the performance to match.

Posted by: rick 918-S Feb 12 2016, 04:55 PM

and the best part is were not afraid to drive the H. E. double toothpicks out of them.

Posted by: horizontally-opposed Feb 15 2016, 10:45 AM

They're getting "rare" here, too. Or at least rarely seen. Used to be that you'd see 914s out in the real world all the time in the Bay Area. If not daily, then certainly weekly. Now I am lucky to see one out in the wild once every couple of months, if that. Stops me in my tracks when I do.

The nice ones sit a lot more, and the not so nice ones are just disappearing...even here in California. Or is it just me?

Posted by: piscean914 Sep 26 2016, 10:32 PM

hey guys - not sure how i found this thread - i'm an r gruppe member - fyi: r gruppe has its basis in the porsche sports purpose manual which had factory parts for racing, rallying etc, 67-73 911's and 914-6's - there are a number of 914-6's in r gruppe and a few 4 bangers too - a few stock 914-6's, but the other 914 are modified - i have run my '76 914-4 with the club many times - r gruppe is to the pca what 356 outlaws are to the 356 registry (i have a '62 356 outlaw) - i get the criticisms, no problem - hey, i've been part of this 914 club since the inaugural west coast classic, so i also get the criticisms other porsche folks may have about 914 guys too!!! keep them stock, modify them, show them, drive them - just keep a sense of humor and just have fun!

vid attached - a few 914's in there!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ArADcbFd8

local seattle r gruppe 914 (now sold) - http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-914-914-6-technical-forum/768811-my-1st-914-a.html

Posted by: rhodyguy Sep 27 2016, 07:55 AM

Pretty sure the green car was built by Jerry Mahoney.

Posted by: rgalla9146 Sep 27 2016, 08:10 AM

Posted by: Rav914 Sep 27 2016, 09:34 AM

Agreed +1. Just leave it alone.

Posted by: KELTY360 Sep 27 2016, 10:31 AM

Yeah, I remember him driving it. It was his '2nd' 914, along with the LS car. I recall a thread when it was sold and driven to San Diego.