Hello everyone, it was recommended I come here by a member on another forum I'm a part of. I'm new to the 914 world, well... the Porsche world really. This will be my first life-size Porsche.
A tiny bit about me: I'm a mechanical designer at a major Medical Device company, I've owned roughly 30 cars in the 15 years I've been driving, the majority of which were VW, Audi, BMW, and Volvo. I am a major DIYer, I do paint, welding, bodywork, upholstery, glass, mechanicals etc. Only had a few carbeurated cars though, and one motorcycle. I'm also an artist and create high quality vector based car illustrations as a hobby and to help pay for other hobbies. You can view my stuff on my website www.auto-illustrated.com but I wont clog up the thread with that. I wrote an article a few years back for a contest sponsored by Porsche and won a 2-day driving school trip to the Porsche Sport Driving School in Birmingham Alabama, this further cemented my goals of owning a Porsche.
Most notable cars/projects: I've had a few MK1 VW Rabbit's, two were major builds including engine swaps. Just recently sold a 2001 Audi S8 that was wonderful.
Current stable: 1998 Jeep Cherokee DD/tow/winter truck, 1974 BMW R90/6 cafe racer, my wife drives a 2014 VW Jetta (manual too!) and tonight I will be picking up my newest project and the reason I joined here, a '71 914.
On to the meat and potatoes.
I had been missing having a project car, something old that I could work on and drive in the summer. That lead me to selling the S8 and buying a DD plus a project. I was interested in 914's, 924's, and 944's and even had a few 944's lined up that fell through only days before I found this 914.
On the morning of the 25th I saw a message from a friend in my inbox, with a link to a 914 that had been posted locally around midnight. Price was very low, and details put the car right in my comfort zone. It's a project for sure, but not too much of a project a'la a past Locost build. I emailed them immediately, toothbrush dangling from my mouth. Explained I have cash ready, would like to see it at their earliest convenience, etc. I imagine at that moment several others were doing the same, they got a lot of interest.
nice to see a new teen owner, welcome to the community
Welcome! I think you will find a lot of useful info here. And the members are a great group. You might consider coming down to Hershey in April for the Porsche-only swap meet and Mid-Engine Invasion. But from Minneapolis it might be a bit of a drive.
1970-Early 1971 were the same. Some wiring changes happened late 1971.
Great to hear there are still some good deals out there!
I'm having a ton of fun in my 1.7. With headers and extreme "lightening" of the car, my "cafe racer" 914 has beaten plenty of 2.0s at autocross events.
There was a little discussion the other day about this car. Also being from MN, I also saw it hit craigslist early in the morning and I knew it wouldn't last long at that price. If I had the time and money to work on a project I would have jumped on it myself.
I still don't have a 914 myself (yet) but I enjoy living vicariously through all of the members here on the world.
tons of info here
Optimusglen, your 914 looks like a great deal and it sounds like you have all the needed skills to get it on the road. You were the first to show up with cash so I wouldn't spend too much time thinking about the other potential buyers. It's also nice to read about the sellers being true to their word.
What is the color code for your car? Orange is a great color.
I was looking at that ad and thinking that the car might be a diamond in the rough. For your sake, I hope it is. Like your attitude that even if the car turns out to be a dog, it will be a good parts car. It never hurts to have an extra car in the garage. Teener a seem to enjoy company.
Welcome to the madness
I've tackled a fair share of rust repair. I feel like I can bring it back unless it's really really bad. We will see.
I did a rocker on my wifes old GTI.
This wasn't too hard, and it was on a car I didn't really care too much about.
Nice find and I hope it turns out to be a gem.
Remember that nothing pleases us like plenty of pictures.
That ad caused quite a stir amongst us MN locals. Post pics soon!
Looks like it's in good hands. Congrats!
awesome find...best of luck!!
I saw that ad and knew it wouldn't last long. These cars are being gobbled up lately, but they can still be found with a little sleuthing.
You have skills obviously, so you'll be fine. We can't wait to see this one come out into the light of day. Hurry up and get it home and get some pics up!!
Oddly enough, ever since they were new, 914s tended to appeal to engineers, designers & architects a lot - even more than the 911/912s back in the day.
Hi guys, got it home and dug into it a little. Grabbed a few pictures while I was at it.
I think it'll clean up pretty well, but here you can see some rust hiding under the paint on the rocker.
The interior is rough. I can upholster, but the foam is trashed too. Wondering what it takes to swap, and what the benefits would be.
Got a bunch of goodies, and a few receipts. One of which was the clutch.
What many of you were wondering about, the hell hole.
And under the hell hole
I laid a long ruler across the top with the top removed, measured before and after I climbed in and stood in the middle. No noticeable flex.
Congrats on the purchase! Sounds like you are the right guy for this car, to save it from the scrap heap.
Looks good so far. Pull the rocker covers and let's see!
Nice find, and welcome!
The "teen" reference was indeed directed at the car. There are some that refer to them as "teeners". A moniker which I personally hate!
Good luck with the resto. Post pics of your progress and you will get tons of advice from the most knowledgeable 914 owners on the www.
Looks good so far.....
Quick one for you guys, to swap in adjustable seats from a later model, do I just need a new cabin back and passenger seat?
By the look of your passenger seat in post #24, I'd say you need a new seat!
What is the color code????
Have a great time with it!
Color code is L-21E Tangerine
There's a full seat set with back on eBay right now that I could upholster, wondering if I can use them.
May have a nice set of black cordaroy seats if you area interested. I need to Check.
Tangerine is a great color. The passenger long doesn't look too bad either, congrats.
I think that you have made the buy of the year (so far).
To answer your question, yes, you can bolt in later seats, but you will need to source a late back pad as well. However, one thing that makes the early cars cool is the fixed passenger seat (at least to me). If you post a WTB ad in the classified, somebody might have what you need. Looks like critters got to yours at some point - same thing happened to mine.
Or, I have a complete nearly perfect tan interior from a '74 that I am looking to sell. (shameless plug).
The fixed passenger seat is really unique and cool. It's a comfortable seating position I feel, so maybe I'll look for a new pad and upholster it.
Great find, great color...
Don't be worried about getting to the car first, someone had to.
Looks like it got a good home, and a great owner.
I look forward to seeing the Car progress through the restoration process.
The pictures have been great!
It is nice to be able to have a separate passenger seat, but the bench seat is cool too.
It's your call, google pictures, you can do it either way.
Local late back pad!
Hard to tell from the pictures just how badly your foam is gouged, but I was able to fill in some rather large divots with silicone. It has a similar "sponginess", so once covered, it really doesn't show. I filled the missing holes with silicone and then used wax paper to blend the contour. Let the silicone set and peel off the wax paper, and it made very nice repairs.
Congrats on the Craigslist score. I too saw the ad and was tempted to act on it. Good to see it went to someone who will fix it up and get it on the road. I replied on the Eurowerks Facebook thread as well. Once you get the at back on the road it would be fun to plan a local 914 drive. There's a handful that I know of around town.
Rick in Duluth (rick918-s), amongst many others on this forum, are great resources particularly on The rust repair front. Rick made my 914-6 100% structurally sound a few winters ago. You can see photos of some of the usual problem areas and rust repairs on the thread here: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=226585
Did some more prodding in the hell hole area. Took a wire brush down there and sucked out anything loose with a shop vac. Then grabbed a long pry bar and started feeling for soft spots. It all feels super firm.
Also pulled off the wheels to have a look. Everything is pretty awesome. Some surface rust on the floors.
Braided stainless lines up front installed, rears are rubber. Good thing there were two braided lines in the box of goodies!
So the last year it was driven, 1995 if you go by the tabs, the owners brother wrecked it and dented up the drivers front fender. I think I found out why.
Also, can anyone tell me anything about my distributor?
And from what others have said, I have Weber IDF 40's Though I haven't seen a stamping indicating 36-40-44. Here's a pic
Welcome to the club, great to see a Vortex TCL make the move
Nice find! You beat me to it. I've parted a few and may have most things you might need out in Chaska. PM me if in need.
Big thanks to Rudedude. Met up today and got to see his great collection, then bought a set of seats, went home, and pulled out all of my interior.
The new seats after I cleaned them up and conditioned. Will be recovering where needed but these are great.
I may have a kit for the driver seat laying around. Not real sure where I put it. If your ever in Duluth and want to help me hunt for it I'll make you a deal on it. Otherwise 914 rubber has what you need.
welcome to the World...good score and will be looking forward to hearing and seeing the project come together. From the limited pictures so far it appears to be in WAY above condition for an $1,100 car. You appear to have scored. Good for you.
Tony "Uncle" Cracker
Great find...and heck you got almost $1100 in parts, okay maybe not quite that much...but what a buy. Your skills will take you far and 914's are fun and addictive.
Welcome to 914 World. The people here are great, helpful and honest. Have fun with your new 914.
Thanks for the warm welcome guys, everyone said to come to 914world and that the members formed a great community. From reading through old threads and the welcome you've given me, I can see this to be true.
Work continued Sunday morning, I pulled the tank and inspected. Sheet metal under the tank all looked good, just dirty. The tank had about a gallon of old old gas in it, and a lot of sludge. Fortunately the tank itself looked solid but I wont know the current state of the inside until I clean out all the sludge.
Currently debating sending it in, or using the POR15 gas tank kit. Only concern is figuring out where to legally get rid of all of the chemicals after I treat the inside.
The car will get all new lines and a new pump specifically for the carbs, so I might as well make the tank as clean as possible to ensure I don't have issues with the fuel system.
I have a friend that does paintless dent repair and he will be coming out to check out the dent in the drivers fender. From pictures he said he could definitely make an improvement.
I hope so, but I'm skeptical. Would be great if I didn't have to drill out all those spot welds and source a new fender anyway.
The garage is filling up with parts that I've been taking off. I will try to finish up the fuel system and get any rust repair done inside before the new carpet gets in, then once the interior and front are all together I'll pull the engine and trans. Current plan is to clean out anything that's accumulated, rebuild the carbs, make sure everything else is functioning, and slap it back in there. Would like to have it running at some point this summer, then tear back into it over next winter.
Also just saw the build off challenge thread. Would be cool if I could join in on the fun even though I have such a late entry. We will see.
Thanks! I'll give them a look.
Also decided to pull out the 8-track player. I'll put a filler plate in there and replace the audio with this.
AUX-in with a volume knob. Feed it power and run speaker wires and it'll be set. Minimalist, and it'll save some weight. And at the same time allow me to play whatever music I want from my phone and be somewhat future proof.
Also grabbed this wheel off the bay. Leather is in good enough shape that I can cut it down with some emery cloth, treat it, then restitch it. Oddball bolt pattern to boot!
I used the washing soda and battery charger method. Tank was like new when I finished. No need to use a gas tank coating if you get it clean and it's not rusted through.
Hmm, good to hear. I'll have to do some more research I think.
Question for you guys, does 914rubber send tracking info when an order ships? Figured I'd just ask here, didn't want to call them because it's really not that big of deal.
Electrolysis method worked really well for me too. Gas tank was sludgy and after emptying and drying I dumped out about a 1/2 gallon of rust flakes. Figured the tank was a goner. Ran a few sessions with the battery charger and here's the before and after:
hile I'm waiting for parts I thought I would start on the steering wheel. It's a vintage Cisa wheel I got off eBay. Leather was faded and stitches torn.
Started out by pulling the leather off, removing all the bits of thread, and sanding down the leather to give the dye something to hold onto.
Next I dyed the leather using Kiwi black. Worked well I think.
Fired up the sewing machine. The adjustments on my machine wouldn't give me a long enough stitch, so I had to manually run the stitches through all of the existing holes. Very time consuming and required a bit of focus. I'm using a heavy duty outdoor thread.
Once all 6 stitches were run, I went to work on the lacing. I stopped after the first stretch because it was late.
This morning I finished it off. Turned out just like I wanted. Still worn and not perfect, but useable and has some character.
I wish I knew how to do upholstery work....good stuff you did on that wheel!
I have some cool ideas for interior on my car, just don't know how to do them myself and they'd be $$ to pay someone else to do.
Are you planning on painting the spokes or keeping that retro-rough? Just curious.
I plan on keeping them kinda rustic and used, won't be painting them. A bit of wear gives it some character I think.
Some good and some bad news for the project.
Good news. Heard back from the previous owner about the cam and distributor. Turns out the car did get a cam and distributor change when the 2.0 bore/stroke kit was installed with the carburetors. The exact details of what was installed will have to wait until I tear it down, but that's a good sign.
The bad news. Tearing the interior down further, found some rust under the tar. Solid metal underneath the rust fortunately. Used a rust converter for now but may revisit it next winter. Also found a rusted through hole on the drivers side sill under the aluminum sill plate. Which means the rockers under that spot are probably no good too. Plan there is to see exactly how bad it is, then patch that hole. Again, I'll dig further into it next winter
Started cleaning up the gas tank and it's coming along nicely, the copper (or brass?) filter sock came free of the fitting.
Also pictures of all of the FI stuff that came off the car.
High res http://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1647/25809659835_fc14cf39db_o.jpg
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Recieved my new carpet set, I got the plush black 10-piece from the place on eBay. Very pleased with the quality, but of course haven't had a chance to put it in.
Also ordered the Coverall black dash cap. Reviews and pictures seem to all be positive.
More than happy to check on your order. The website is supposed to automatically send tracking when processed. A known issue is that its a Hotmail account and the automatic response is from Godaddy servers so your internet provider may filter it out as spam. Anything that we have in stock usually ships in a day or two depending on what time the order comes in. Drop me a PM with your name and I'm more that willing to look it up.
Thanks! I should have updated the thread, the day I posted about 914Rubber I received an email. Most of my order was already shipped and arrived already (really pleased with the parts) The other part of the order, a drivers seat bottom cover, is back ordered but it sounds like you should be able to ship one out to me later this week.
Did some more work on peeling off the old floor tar on the drivers side. Cleaned up a little rust there too but overall it's solid.
New carpet kit is in, new drivers seat bottom upholstery from 914rubber was delivered today, I have a new strip of the basketweve material for the dash face, and the dash cap I got has been staring at me for a week or so. I really need more time to work on this right now, I'm itching to get the interior back together. Once the interior and gas tank are ready to go I'll drop the engine and start on my favorite part of car building.
I met a member, Ben, from here who had some miscellaneous 914 parts that he was looking to get rid of. Scooped those up because you never know what a new project is going to need. Thanks Ben!
Today I was able to jump on a chrome front bumper for my car, bought it off eBay then saw that the seller was literally 10 minutes from me. Drove there over lunch and picked it up, as well as a rubber bumper trim top piece (is that the official name?) Overall price was around $100, so it was an awesome deal. Phil if you're on here, thanks again!
In somewhat unrelated news, I surprised my wife with another car on Easter.
Rewind a bit for a backstory. Before we were married, my wife bought a 1991 Volkswagen Cabriolet in an effort to "woo" me because I was a VW guy. She learned to drive a manual in it. She was dedicated. Later we were married but didn't have a lot of money. We had her Cabriolet, a $900 Lincoln Towncar, and a VW Rabbit project that wasn't running/driving. She drove the Lincoln because it was more comfortable, didn't leak water all over your arm, and had working heat. I drove the Cabby that had none of those things. She loved the car though, especially in the summer with the top down. Eventually we were able to get better daily driving cars but it meant having to sell the Cabriolet.
She often talks about missing that car.
Ok, back to the present day. On Easter day she was inside relaxing, I scheduled a few people to come look at a pickup that I'm selling. She had no idea I also scheduled the seller of the Cabriolet to come drop it off in our driveway. Then I went in and got her, made her come outside, and she was absolutely speechless.
It needs a little work, but nothing crazy. I'll replace the top, and the seats, and fiddle with the fueling to get it running but otherwise it's solid. Just in time for the beautiful Minnesota spring too.
She walked out to the garage 3-4 times over the course of the evening to just look at it. And joked about how our cars were having conversations in German while we weren't in there.
So currently we're up to 5 cars, but the 1965 F100 sold on eBay yesterday, and the buyer will be picking it up at the end of the week (which means more 914 goodies)
Got the new seat cover in and on.
Wow, you work FAST...I wish I had that drive and confidence/skill to do all that quickly.
Great price on the bumper!
Even greater story on the cabrio!!
For sure, here's the motorcycle.
And a shot of the motorcycle with the 914. Also have my 2-up seat on the motorcycle here, for when my wife wants to come along.
With these two together, I have a flat 6.
Started looking at the wiring over the weekend, the harness shown below had some rodent chew marks and I wanted to see how far it went.
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Eyeballed all of the wires in that spot and followed the harness all over everything forward of the engine firewall and it looks like those 5 wires are all that's chewed. Since it's only those 5 I think I'll solder in new sections and shrinkwrap instead of replacing the whole harness.
Also picked up a set of 4 of these to ease moving the car around the garage.
Thanks! It's been fun, had it for about 6 years now. Owned the bike longer than any other vehicle I've ever had, and I've had a lot of cars over the years.
Got the new wheels some new rubber. Went with 205/60-15. Fit is great, I'll be rolling the rear fender lips for more clearance.
On a side note, those car dollies work great on such a light car!
Sent in another 914rubber.com order today, this time for the door card material and the drivers seat adjuster handle. The guys at 914Rubber are rad, lots of great quality parts for fair prices, I love that I can buy just the material from them and do it myself.
I'll be making my door cards like this.
My drivers armrest was crumbling and just looked ratty, so I think I'll be leaving it off and just have a flat panel with the door latch handle and a pull handle. The passenger side I'll probably install, to give my wife something to hold onto.
Then if I ever come across a solid drivers armrest I can always add it later, or leave it off permanently if I decide.
Today I made a completely random purchase. Picked up a pair of Heuer stopwatches like this one. I'll get them serviced and get a mounting plaque machined up. I'll be the first to say that it'll be purely aesthetic, since I don't do any timed racing, but I think they will suit the dash nicely.
These use the Heuer 7700 movement, all mechanical for the uninitiated. Nothing special really, you can usually find one or two on eBay for pretty cheap if you're ok with some wear.
Since I wont have a radio, I'll mount them there. I will have the small AUX-IN port and a volume knob, but those don't take up much space.
Rear suspension bushings came in yesterday, along with a slide hammer and the two stopwatches.
The face of one looks yellow, but I believe it's just the crystal. Both work, but really need a teardown and cleaning/oiling. I've dabbled in mechanical watch disassembly before, so I can handle it especially since it's manual wind and doesn't have a lot of functions, but waiting to hear back on a few quotes before I do anything. Most likely the charge to have one serviced will be several times more than what these sell for, so this may become a DIY later on.
As you all remember, the front drivers side fender was bashed in a bit.
This will get fixed properly once I reach the bodywork phase of the project, for now I wanted to be able to mount a bumper and a new turn signal, so I ordered a slide hammer with a various selection of hooks to get this part of the fender a bit more in-line. Far from perfect, but for now it's functional. As a reminder, I am hoping to have this running and driving at some point this summer, possibly fall. And then next winter I'll replace some metal and do any other body work that's needed.
You can also see the newer bumper. This one has some smaller dents I'll need to smooth out, but overall it's in great shape. One item that I'm debating about now is bumper finish/color. Both front and rear bumpers were factory painted on this car. The rear bumper is in good shape. So what I'm debating:
A: Buy another rear bumper, but get a chrome one to match.
B: Sand/prime/paint the front bumper orange, to mimic the original.
C: Sand/prime/paint both bumpers satin black.
(I'll update with a pic of a standard 914 with black bumpers as soon as I can find one)
Leaning towards B, because it's unique and original to the car. I like the look as well.
"A" would be cool, and safe because just about all 914's you see are chrome bumpered and they pull it off well. This means spending a lot of cash though, and re-chroming the rear would make it stand out against the patina of the front chrome.
C is an option I was considering, but the more I look at it the more I think it makes the car look like the later models with the big rubber bumpers, and I don't like that look. A good example could sway my mind though.
In other news, I pulled out the fresh air box and blower, emptied it of all of it's leaves and mouse stuff, and just deep cleaned the whole area. It was like a mouse diarrhea factory on the sheet metal around the airbox. They must have had an external food source because further rubber/wire examination found no chew marks.
I'd vote for "B". Body colored bumpers look great and are true to the minimalist spirit of the 914. You can get some clear 3M covering that will prevent rock chips and be invisible.
Radio delete panel complete
Great news! I got the title in the mail.
On my last project, a 1965 Ford F100 that I bought for $1000, 2 months after i transferred the title I received a letter from the state saying that they thought it should have been worth $9,600. They said I needed to pay sales tax on $9600, or submit an estimate from a legitimate repair shop showing that the truck needed repairs that would offset that price. It was a huge pain, but I put together a parts list with prices and retailers on a spreadsheet, found a shop that would actually do an estimate even though there was zero chance I would be having them do any work, and submitted it all with some pictures of the purchased state. There was about 11-12k worth of parts/labor quoted. 2 months after that I finally received the title in the mail, I guess it was sufficient proof for them.
With the Porsche I was sure it would happen again since the price was so low but I guess $1100 seemed fair to them. haha
Good deal, thanks iwanta914-6.
I did some work for Scott over at RenownUSA and scored a killer deal on a new wheel. This is the Monaco Dark, super nice quality.
The Cisa wheel I refurbished is nice, a hair bigger in both diameter and grip girth (snicker) but I thought since the rest of the interior will be essentially brand new, the patina of the Cisa might look a bit out of place. At any rate, I have both, and the Momo hub I have is drilled for both, so I can swap if I ever want to.
Chrome bumpers look best.
Decided to skip C&C with the motorcycle and instead stay home and work on the 914 interior. Installed the carpets, seats, dash cap, and new dash face material. Put my audio/timing panel in place. And cleaned it up a little to take some pics. Really happy how this is coming together.
Door cards still need a lot of love. A while back I did the large sections but tried to reuse the foam, bad move... all the indentations from the arm rests show through. Then I messed up the seam between the upper sections and the lower sections so it just doesn't look good. So those will be torn apart again and redone properly.
Little update time.
Went to the MN C&C this past weekend. Lots of great cars but this 914-6 really stood out. Pretty sure this one belongs to the guy I got a lot of parts from, but couldn't find him anywhere.
Seeing it (and another 914 with a 930 swap) made me want to work on mine, so I went home and started on the door cards again. Previously I had covered them with the materials kit from 914rubber. The kit was missing the foam, i found out later. I was doing it in a dim garage and I was a bit rushed, that paired with trying to re-use the old foam made it so they didn't turn out well. Anyway, I bought some thin padding to go under the material, purchased new material for the upper (smooth) portion, and tore into them.
Something was flying through the scene as I snapped the pic, that little dash above the window winder isn't on the door card.
Eventually I think I'd like to start over completely, with the new materials kit, or even just buy new cards from 914Rubber. But for now these will work fine.
I also ordered a set of the Heuer stickers, these are 2/3rds the size of the previous ones. Old ones were too big, but I thought the suggestion of 1/3 or 1/2 size would be too small.
You can also see the crude dent banging, I used a big slide hammer with various hooks to get the rough shape, I'd still like to pick up a nice set of hammers and dollies to fine tune it a bit more.
Last but not least, I've decided to bite the bullet and just bring the gastank in. I cleaned it enough that it would probably be fine, just have to keep a spare fuel filter or 3, but since the entire rest of the fuel system will be brand new, I thought it best to get the tank as good as absolutely possible. A friend of mine had good results from a place about 45min away, so I'll be dropping it off there later today.
Great work! Good call on bringing the gas tank in for cleaning, too. My dad ran out to C & C on Saturday for a few minutes to pass out All Porsche Show flyers. He thought he saw about 4-6 914s there...pretty impressive as you would have maybe seen 1 a few years back.
He's feverishly trying to get his 74LE back together in time for the All Porsche Show Sunday, June 26th at Central Park in Roseville, MN (shameless plug). All you MN, ND, SD, WI, IA (and beyond) guys NEED to bring your 914s. It is a no pressure show with 150+ Porsches on hand. It is a great time and the largest Porsche event around.
For sure! If mine was anywhere near ready to drive I'd push to get it ready, but I still have to drop the engine and rebuild some things.
I'll be there though!
I picked up the tank from getting refurbed. I went to Gas Tank Renu USA to have it done, they patched a couple holes that were hidden, cleaned/blasted the inside, and coated it inside and out. Nationwide lifetime warranty too. In the end it was $275, and it'll be great to know the entire fuel system will be new or as new.
Picture using my potato phone, but you get the idea. It's clean inside
To have your ash tray match your dash, buy Forever Black. It is a black dye product with a foam tipped applicator. Used it on mine and looks great. I also use it on any other rubber or plastic trim parts which I want to restore back to black. Think Amazon has it.
Great thread and great skills.
Big day today, i have most of the week off so i decided to dig in.
Dropped the engine, removed the heat exchangers and exhaust, separated the trans, and got the engine on the stand.
Awesome! Keep the updates and progress coming
I finished up a drawing of the end product for this stage anyway.
If anyone is interested in seeing my other car art, or if you want a print of yours, check out my post in the member vendors section.
I finished where the rust left off with the heat exchangers. I'll be running the exhaust as budget headers.
Engine is down to the long block. This week I'll be pulling the jugs off and doing a lot of cleaning and inspecting. Gasket kit is in but it only has the head gaskets for the 1.7, I'll need to measure and get new ones.
I got sick of the amount of clutter in my garage, so I purchased a new roller cart for my tool box. Getting things more organized always helps with the morale of working in the garage.
I know it still looks like a rats nest compared to many of you, but at least I know where everything is now.
Bonus, you can see one of the pictures from my trip to Birmingham for the Porsche Sport Driving School that I won, some of you might remember that post from a few years back.
Last but not least, a member here was selling a drilled 5-lug swap with (Compomotive) Fuchs. It all needs to be cleaned up and refinished, but everything else on this project is the same way apart from the steering wheel. So I jumped on it and it should all be headed my way soon.
The wheels are 15x6 and 15x7 staggered. It'll be tight in the back, but I was going to have to roll the fenders anyway so I'm not worried. They aren't real/original Fuchs, so they're not ideal, but it will be easier to upgrade later on now that I'll actually be running 5x130.
Fortunately enough, even though they are not original they don't suffer from the replica issues where a company will use an original forged wheel to make their tool, but then cast the wheels instead of forging, which makes a replica much weaker. These are designed to be cast. The only thing that bugs me is the pedal shape, it's much narrower where it meets the center. I think it'll be fine if I do all black centers, but if I try to finish these as an RSR style wheel, they might look odd... We'll see.
OH, one other bit of news. I discovered that my brother in-law that lives 5 minutes away from me owns a sand blasting cabinet. #winning
Looking good Glen!
Engine is mostly apart, have not cracked the case open, and clutch/flywheel are still in place.
Everything went smoothly. Lots of dirt and oil but nothing scary.
Cleaned up one piston so far, didn't take a whole lot of effort.
I forgot to write it down on that napkin, but the cylinder bore is 95.872mm. All measurements are approximate, taken with a standard caliper. So I think it's safe to assume they are 96mm cylinders.
Lifters look wonderful, no pitting or scoring.
Cam looks pretty good too!
Some oil staining on this lobe, but no pitting and it's very smooth, by touch you cannot tell it's there.
Cylinder bores are clean, I can't see the cross hatching though.
Is this something I need to have bored?
-I seem to remember a bulletin from Porsche or VW effectively saying not to use the cylinder base metal gaskets. Can anyone confirm?
-Do I need to have any work done on the cylinders to replace the cross hatching, or is that only if I replace rings?
No head gaskets. You still need to seal the cylinders to the case. Use sealer. You may need spacers, depending on what you need for CR. Not sure if you stack spacers AND gaskets. I assume sealer trumps any gasket.
Got a few things in the mail today.
Lots of cleaning today. Since the case is open to the elements via the cylinder holes I can't really use more conventional cleaning methods.
So i have to do it the hard way, with paper towells and a small brush.
Started cleaning and stripping the wheels, but I'm thinking they were powdercoated. Two full installments of stripper but only a little black has come off each time.
More progress today. Finished rebuilding one of the carbs.
great job on cleaning. i used the aluminum sealing rings in the head/cylinder interface, no sealant. car runs fine. i did not pull cylinders because i did not want to upset ring land. if it were mine, the bores look good, i would re-ring it and reassemble. only because you pulled the cylinders.
So I did a test wheel in the RSR paint scheme just to see if it would look weird because of the petal shape. Turned out better than expected so I will be doing all 4.
Stripped the paint off the wheels. Maybe it was powdercoat, it took 4 passes with paint stripper and on the final pass I had to use a brass brush as well. But, I got it all off. Cleanup using fine "0" 3M steel wool and to get that brushed look on the lips. The insides were textured from the factory and it looked nice so I left them.
There is a method for painting just the inside of the Fuchs that works well. You seal off the back side with tape (packing tape, or something with a good solid bond, i.e. not painters tape) place the wheel over a bucket that will fit snugly inside the wheel, then carefully fill each of the 5 valleys until paint reaches the desired level. Finally, you puncture the tape with a blade and let the paint drain out into the bucket.
I didn't use this method. Mostly because I didn't have pour-able paint, but also because I didn't have a bucket that would fit well that wasn't currently being used to store used engine oil. What I did have is a roll of painters tape, a spray can of ceramic semi-gloss high temp black, and more patience than your average bear.
Two done, two to go.
All 4 wheels are now finished. Waiting on me to install the 5-lug swap and change the tires over.
Pulled the oil pump. Looks good and no contact between the cam rivets and pump.
Camshaft, wish I could tell what is is. I was told it was swapped out with the carb install, but based on other things below it is possible that's not the case.
Now for the biggest part. I tore down one of the heads and started cleaning. Put a ton of elbow grease into it. There were some marks where something bad had happened in one of the combustion chambers, but I thought that since it had been running in this state, I would just clean, reassemble, and go from there. The pic makes them look worse than they are, they're just filled with carbon still. (Bottom head in the pic below)
Then I put it all back together and started in on the second head. I spent a good 3 minutes just pulling the valves out and a light scraping and found that the passenger side head was in far worse shape. One combustion chamber looks like a 14 year old boys face, huge gouges, something was bangin around in there something fierce!
Strange part is that for both heads, the damage is on the cyl closest to the trans. Wonder what caused this...
At any rate, I wasn't going to put a ton of time into cleaning this one up, looks toasted. So I messaged the local 914 guy that I've picked up a bunch of parts from and turned out that he had exactly what I need. Drove down to his place and picked these up.
New heads are super clean. He was unsure of the exact history, but he had gone through it and it looks like everything was done to them. There is one exhaust stud hole that I will need to fix some threads on, but otherwise they're cherry. I'll probably pull the valves and inspect it all to be on the safe side but these are great.
Further inspection of what I have shows that I have the stock crank (66mm stroke) and that paired with the 96mm pistons means the engine is actually a 1.9 and not a 2.0. This is also what makes me fear that the factory cam is still in there... Follow my line of thought...
At some point in the cars history there was some sort of catastrophic event that caused the head damage. The event also caused significant piston and cylinder damage. The owner probably brought it to a shop and they swapped the 96mm pistons and cylinders in. The 1.7 heads still have 100mm registers for the cylinders, so they got the 96mm cylinder necked-down kits that were used back then that meant not having to machine the 1.7 heads for larger cylinders. They must have been on a budget. That's why they may not have swapped the cam. Either that or they dumped all their money in the cam, carbs, P's and C's and didn't have enough for new heads, or headwork... Who knows. If they were really on a budget I feel like they would have just done a stock set of P's and C's. For the cam, I cam probably measure the lift, may not be able to get an accurate duration measurement with the cam still in there.
So next on the project list:
-pull valves on new heads and inspect and fix exhaust stud
-reassemble new heads
-clean up block some more
-pull a rod and inspect bearing surfaces
-clean some more
Also, I'm going to try and duplicate the engine lift plate shown in the factory manuals.
I am aware that Tangerine sells something similar for just north of $100, but I like the idea of fabbing one myself. I'll probably take measurements off the block for the important parts, just wish someone I knew had one of the actual VW tools.
Glenn that damage in the head was most likely caused by a broken piston ring @ some stage.
Those replacement heads look clean but ask the seller if the exhaust valves are new or used,IMO put down some cash on new ones if not you will be walking on thin ice .good luck
Great work, Glenn. I appreciate your regular updates!
Always good to make sure the carbs have a full charge before you put them in...
Lookin pretty good!
Last night I pulled the heads apart to inspect. If these were run at all, they were cleaned up really well after. I did a quick lap of the valves and reassembled. Lapped the cylinders into the heads too.
All the heads need now is for one of the exhaust studs to be repaired. Will probably do a stepped stud.
I looked the exhaust valves over, based on your comments.
stamped with "T-TRW 3908" P.O. didn't remeber their history, so if anyone here can shed some light on if these are stock or not, I'd appreciate it.
Tonight I might hone the cylinders and then scrub them down. Getting close to reassembly!
Great job! Save the Porsche!
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Glenn that damage in the head was most likely caused by a broken piston ring @ some stage.
Those replacement heads look clean but ask the seller if the exhaust valves are new or used,IMO put down some cash on new ones if not you will be walking on thin ice .good luck
Is there something inheretly wrong with exhaust valves on these engines? I had heard bad things about failing valve seats, but this is the first I've heard of valves having issues. Care to elaborate?
I did figure that it was either piston ring bits, or maybe an exploded plug. I just can't figure out why it would happen to both of the cylinders on that end of the engine.
Not sure if all years used sodium filled exhaust valves, but my 2L had them. When I was getting ready to dis-assemble the valves, zI gave a light rap to the stems with a brass hammer to check to see if any valves were stuck, one did this:
NEVER NEVER re-use 40 year old sodium filled exhaust valves !
Ah, yeah that looks bad!
The exhaust valves in the new heads looked to be brand new, and I don't believe they are original valves because of the TRW stamping (unless TRW supplied OEMs back then) So I will run what I have.
More work today. Waiting on stuff for the engine so I started on getting the 5 lug hubs swapped in. First, I needed to put it in the air. 2 feet of air. It's no lift, but these jackstands are awesome.
Started on the rear. Pulled the control arm and everything related to it. Greased a new wheel bearing and installed, new bushings of course, and put it all back together. Test fit one of my new wheels then called up my tire guy to set up a day next week to swap my tires to the new wheels.
Got the tires swapped over.
Tires are the same size front/rear. Probably the widest tire I can fit in the rear, as it sits I will need to roll the inner fender lip out back. Since the wheels are staggered, the rears have a slight stretch. Overall I don't think it detracts from the looks noticably, and performance differences are negligable, so they'll work. If I was buying new tires for these I would probably do staggered sizes, but alas, that's not in the cards right now.
More progress last night. No pictures, but i fixed the exhaust stud. Drilled and threaded it up to 10mm then used a stepped stud.
Then I started in on swapping one of the front rotors, quickly discovered that the new 5 lug rotors were made from the late model 914 so I cannot use them.
Well, I can use them enough to get this picture, but thats it.
Difference is offset. To use these rotors I need late 914 spindles, calipers, ball joint, and I believe control arms. So now I'll be looking into getting my old rotors drilled.
Next I will be measuring deck height and figuring out which spacers I will need under the cylinders.
The car is coming along nicely!
Since I can't use the new 5-lug front rotors/hubs I looked into and found a machine shop that can accurately drill out my existing 4-lug fronts. Figured I'd have them turn the rotors at the same time and looked up the spec to make sure they'd still be useable. No dice. Minimum is 10mm after turning, with a minimum worn state of 9.5mm. So I'll need to buy new front rotors and then have them drilled. This has been the biggest hang-up in the last couple weeks. I'll be able to order new rotors this Friday when my car fund is replentished a bit. New front bearings and seals are already ordered.
I measured the deck height and I'm getting .055" (averaged from 16 measurements in 8 places) From what I've read, I'l actually be able to run these cylinders without any spacer at the base. I will not be running a headgasket based off of Jake Rabys recommendation. Does this all sound right to you guys?
Of course, now I'll need to get the pushrods set up. The previous builder kept the stock pushrods I believe, and he spaced the rocker arm sub-assembly away from the head slightly with shims. Theoretically, I could keep the pushrods as they are and assemble the whole setup in the same way as it was before...
In other news, I was working in the garage last week trying to get the passenger side rear swingarm swapped. Trying to get the pivot rod out of the old arm, rubber bushings were really holding on. Seemed to be a bit tougher than the drivers side that I had done previously. Anyway, I managed to bash my hand with a 4lb sledge hammer. It didn't feel the greatest. Swelled up a little but it was manageable. Now I have a bump, maybe broke something? I dunno.
Finally, update posts are worthless without pictures, so here's a new illustration I had been working on.
Tweaked the color and sent some to print, if anyone wants one let me know. Prices and sizes are in my Member Vendors thread in my signature.
Curious what the offsets (ET) or backspacing (measuring from the flange face to the inside rim) are for your 15x7 wheels?
I'm looking at getting a reproduction 15x7 R wheel that I hope is more offset to the inside of the car.
I measured the combustion chamber volumes again and got the same results on all 4 pots. Same with deck height. Pistons, cylinders, and heads are bolted on. After I took the pic I also cleaned and assembled the oil pump.
As far as the wheels go, I'll check that next time I'm in the garage.
More work. I was able to use the existing push rods with small shims under the rocker arm assemblies. Yes I remembered the tins that get installed before the push rods.
Seen lots of talk about what to use to seal the pushrod tubes. My bores for the tubes were incredibly clean so I just used some assembly lube on the o-rings. It's easy enough to take them out and try something else if those leak.
Carbs are just bolted on because I couldn't help myself.
New front rotors arrived, got them machined yesterday for 5 lug studs and then pressed the new bearing races in and installed them. The unthreaded portion of the stud protrudes up from the contact surface between the wheel and rotor, and that unthreaded diameter doesn't fit with clearance in the wheel holes. So now I need to replace the studs, or open up the wheel holes a few thou.
Also rebuilt the master cylinder last night. Before you freak out, the bore was perfect so it was really just installing new ATE rubber seals.
I removed the pedal cluster to rebuild it and discovered that someone had already swapped bronze bushings into it to replace the plastic. Everything moved freely and sprung the right direction, so I just cleaned it up a little. I probably would have swapped in the new parts I have but the pin that needs to be pressed out was a real bugger. Worked on it for a bit and decided that it wasn't broken so why fix it.
Progress since the last post:
-ordered a new oil cooler, received it, and installed it.
-started organizing the tins for cleaning, didn't clean them
-purchased new wheels studs, pounded old ones out, pounded new ones in, front wheels mount up cleanly
I started in on the brakes. I had removed the master cylinder and calipers before I had read to break the pistons free using the brake pressure. I guess I had just assumed the old air pressure trick would work.
So I had to use the messy method, a grease gun which happened to have the same threads as the caliper pipe input. It all came apart smoothly.
3 more to do. I put a feeler out for budget friendly yellow cad plating, but I'm not holding my breath. Since I no longer have hundreds of dollars to pour into this project I may have to find an alternative in the paint isle. It'll be clean though, i.e. black, silver, or if I can find something that looks similar to yellow CAD.
Now that the 5-lug swap is complete I can roll the fenders. The Eastwood fender roller "universal" bolt pattern doesn't extend all the way out to 130mm BC, which is why I couldn't roll the fenders when it was 4x130 using this tool. The local club that lends this out to members had an adapter made to bolt up to a Porsche 5x130 hub so now I'm all set. Except I'm not. Upon test fitment it looks as if my lug nuts (the long alloy style) are too long and protrude past the mounting surface for the tool. Today I'll buy 5 lug nuts that are lower profile and THEN I should be ready to roll.
Car looks killer.
Not sure how I missed this thread. You used to be on the Vortex didn't you?
I thought so. Recognized your name and MKIV you did the welding on. I still peruse TCL occasionally. Lots of good info there. Actually the Vortex archives are phenomenal.
Nice looking 914 you got. I've had mine about a year and a half and love it. Really fun car.
Ended up going with just a standard cast-aluminum type finish, from a rattle can. It is high heat paint at least. Color looks a little yellowish, but that's just from the lighting.
Opted not to remove the e-brake lever arms, but otherwise they're all disassembled. Bores had light corrosion that I was able to get off with some super fine steel wool, pistons the same. Calipers are all painted and ready for reassembly.
Ideally I would have stripped these down completely and had them re-plated, but time and money are no longer my friends.
On the bright side, the pistons all came out remarkably easy for having sat for so long.
Just an fyi your bumper is shipping today
Finally got myself to pressure wash the tins the other day. Then hit them with a quick coat of paint.
Today I mounted most of them.
Then I spent most of the day cross legged in the engine bay with a bottle of purple degreaser, a small brush, and two rolls of shop towels.
After that I was able to install the new engine bay seals.
So much better.
Also ordered a new alternator, pretty soon the engine will be ready to go in!
Terrific work. The engine will love living in that bay.
Wow, your engine bay cleaned up very nice. That must have cost some hours of dirty work !
I sprayed it down with degreaser a couple days before to let it soak a bit, then just sat in there with a spray bottle, a small brush, and rolls of shop towels. It was dirty, and gross, and I had to wear a respirator so the fumes didn't kill me, but I knew I'd be thanking myself later.
Also inspected the "repair" done by someone in the past.
Fortunately the other side broke it's welds off clean. This side will be ground off with a cutoff wheel. I have access to an endmill and lathe after hours at work, so I will probably design and build my own hinges in the spirit of the J West hinges.
Getting closer. Oil tower installed, rest of the tins installed, alternator and belt installed. Throttle linkage installed but not entirely set up yet. I want to dig back through the archives and find a thread I saw at one point talking about this style linkage.
As much as I would love to purchase new linkage that's more accurate, with a baby on the way the time frame and cash flow for this project are greatly diminished.
My wife convinced me to buy a new alternator instead of rebuilding mine, probably more to save time, but she's pretty awesome anyway. Just a shame it's hidden away.
I do wish I could have spent more time on the tins, sandblasting and powder coating, but I just can't do it. I need to get this in the car as soon as possible and since this will be a driver and not a trailer queen it's not a huge deal.
Also I cleaned up the thermostat a bit, looks like someone had spray painted or something.
I was going to look into rebuilding it following this article.
But upon looking at my pic and the pics in the article, I think mine may be acceptable. I will measure it and test it to be sure.
Tonight I'll be installing the fuel hardline down the tunnel and then setting up the mixture of hard and soft lines getting it up to the carbs.
Everything is looking super.
Especially that engine compartment.
Great job on the project so far!
Yesterday was productive. Finished the fuel system. Hard and soft lines. And getting the power up to the front for the fuel pump. Chopped out the remains of the battery tray and the seized trunk hinge. There were some booger welds on the other side from where the other hinge broke off so had to grind those off too. Replaced both and decided to bolt the cups in and remove the tension springs. I will add gas struts later. Then I finished the pedal cluster and installed, and installed my master cyclinder, didn't have time to bleed the brakes though. New clear tubing down to the master, installed the feed pipes and tubing with new seals first, then fed them up through the holes.
I think next time I'm in the garage I will be sorting the engine mounts and installing the engine and transmission!
Are you going to leave as a tail shift? I believe that is what you have isn't it?
Might have all the parts you need gathering dust for side shift.
It is a tail shift. For now at least I'll need to keep it, the limits on time and money are wuickly approaching. I'd love a side shift, but it's not in the cards.
Yes, I have one of them on order.
Another day in the garage, I built a positive pressure bleeder to keep the reservoir full and pressurized to about 3psi. I have speed-bleeders on all 4 corners so it was pretty simple to crack the bleeder, pump the pedal several times to move fluid through, then close the bleeder. Bled them in the correct order (RR, LR, RF, LF) and adjusted the rear brake pad clearance before and after. Got all corners bled and ran out of fluid, I'll let it rest and then bleed the whole set again once I pick up some more fluid.
I didn't have a chance to fully rebuild the axles, it'll need to wait until later. I absolutely needed to get the car on the ground and moved over today, so that meant not hooking up all the cables just yet and just getting the axles in. In my VW days I know that if you rolled a MK1/2/3 VW Rabbit/Golf/Jetta without the axles in place, you'd ruin the bearings. Not sure if that's the case with the 914's, but better safe than sorry.
Once the brakes were done and the axles in, it was time to mount the wheels again and lower the car. It's been a mystery exactly what the "stance" would look like so I was very excited to see what I had. I knew that I would probably want to space the fronts out a bit, and that the rears would be close to the fender even after I rolled the lip.
Happy to report that the rears are about perfect. On full compression they tuck inside with almost a centimeter of room. The fronts DO need to be spaced out, I'll start with 20mm and go from there.
I rolled it outside in the daylight.
Never before has the orange rocker covers and front lower panel looked so odd. Can't wait until it's warmer and I can paint those...
So now that the car is on the ground and my wife can park inside again I'll be hitting small things here and there on the weekends, the goal is still February for running/driving.
Looks like the front is sitting high. It's not much work to lower it a bit.
Yes, that's on the list too.
I decided to put the Compomotive Fuchs up for sale with the tires and get something else. After a bunch of forum reading I settled on Euromeister Fuchs in 16x7 all around. These will get the same RSR treatment as the previous wheels, or something close.
Here's someone elses car with the same wheels/size/offset. Stole it from Facebook. If this is you, sorry, and thanks.
Since my last update I also got the headers blasted and ready for paint or powdercoat. Been working on some projects for Eric at PMB and in return got a new pair of rear rotors to finish out my brakes. Picked up a new speedo cable, but have not installed. Started assembling the shift linkage but have not adjusted.
Work in the garage is delayed even more though, we had a pretty big scare late last week. TL;DR at the bottom
Last Wednesday my wife went into the clinic because her leg started swelling up. She had some lower back and hip pain on that side for a few days prior. They did an ultrasound and discovered a massive clot (DVT) from her ankle all the way up into her hip. Any amount of googling will tell you this is a very serious thing.
We transported her over to the hospital where they got her on some blood thinners and kept her overnight Wednesday. She started on pill blood thinners and also shots to get it started while the pills built up. Thursday they did another ultrasound and saw that the clot was extending all the way up into her abdomen. Later on Thursday they prepped her and did a procedure. First they went in through her neck to place a safety screen/mesh in her chest. This would catch any rogue blood clot bits and potentially save her life. Next they put a special catheter in at her knee and fed it up into her abdomen. This catheter has several holes that slowly soak the clot with a breakup drug. The catheter also has a wire inside emitting an ultrasound pulse that helps to break up clots. They left all this in place overnight and moved her into the ICU for the night. Surrounded by machines buzzing and beeping.
Friday they did a follow up procedure and were less than impressed. They went in with different tools to pull out as much of the clot as they could. Got her on an IV drip instead of the shots. We spent the day in the ICU and that evening were moved into a regular room. Friday night and Saturday morning we had to resume the shots.
She saw a physical therapist and did some practice walking and stairs, then were discharged Saturday night.
With blood clots, the big fear is some breaking loose and traveling to the heart, lungs, or brain causing paralysis, stroke, cardiac events, and/or death. Another fear is needing the limb amputated due to internal damage, or cronic swelling and cronic pain. We're blessed that she is recovering and that the pain is going down. She will be on the blood thinning pills for months, and I will be administering shots every 12 hours for several days. It is quite possible that she will have cronic swelling and the pain that comes with it for the rest of her life.
In her current state she can't really take care of baby Wren. She can hold her and feed her, but cannot pick her up and walk with her, she can only walk with the use of a walker. It's saddening seeing your 29 year old wife struggling to walk to the bathroom with a walker. So dad duty is at 100%, while also working from home whenever possible because I ran out of vacation days to use, and I am pulling nurse duty too since she cannot give herself the injections that are needed every 12 hours. We have friends and family that are helping out but it is still very hard.
Needless to say, work on the car has halted and will resume at a later date. Maybe when it's warm enough that I can have baby out in the garage with me.
-wife almost died - massive leg blood clot
-working through helping her, being a new dad, and the day job
-progress on the car has stopped for now, will resume later on
Glen, I'm very sorry to hear this for you and your family...how scary! Thank you for sharing with your 914World family.
Stay strong for your wife and Wren and your friends and family will be strong for you.
Thoughts and good wishes to you guys.
Glen...that's an incredible and scary story. Hits home as my wife is just over 30 weeks pregnant now. I send you all my warm wishes and hopes to you and your family. You've definitely got your plate full. Best of luck with everything and hope it all works out for the best.
God Speed to recovery
Best wishes for the speedy return to good health.
May her recovery be swift and complete. Unbelievable that this happened to a 29 YO.
Scary. May her recovery be speedy and you guys take this time to recognize you are blessed with each other.
Great progress thread!! Keep us updated on how you are all doing! All the best to you and your family!!!
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