has anyone done a v6 Vortec in a 914..??
yes.....it's pretty much just like doing the V8 conversion except you don;t have to have the special water pump and harmnic balancer...so it can be done a little cheaper.
as far as I know, no one makes the engine brackets for it, but it's not too hard to look at how they are done on the V8 conversions and copy/modify the design.
Thanks for reply.. so many v8's done i was just wondering
QUOTE (LongARM @ Mar 25 2005, 08:04 AM) |
Thanks for reply.. so many v8's done i was just wondering |
I've also hear the V6 is *much* harder on the drivetrain. Fewer fireing impulses per crankshaft revolution, not as evened out as the V8 Keep that in mind if you are wanting to go high HP.
May be urban legend, but the explanation made sense to me at the time.
-Bryan
Since the 4.3 is basicly the V8 less two cylinders it would seem that it would bolt up just like the V8, all same mounts, but still be able to use the factory accessory mounts, be lighter in weight, and easier fit, and still deliver more than twice the HP of any stock 914 engine. I would think that would be the way to go.
One that perks my interest is using the 3.0/3.5 out of a Nissan Z car. That seems like it would make a nice package.
tom...
When I first started back into 914's about 5 years ago, there was one for sale in the recycler. It was a Chalon with a 4.3 liter V6 conversion. It was exactly what I was looking for. The car was thrashed and looked like hell so I didnt buy it. But the thing ran really good and would smoke the tires through 3rd gear with no problem. I also saw a VW van at the Pomona swap meet back then that had the same engine in it. That thing sounded incredible. I like the 4.3 liter and with over the counter mods you can get about 280 HP out of them. The van would pull wheelies and lift the tires going into second.
QUOTE (datapace @ Mar 25 2005, 08:47 AM) |
I've also hear the V6 is *much* harder on the drivetrain. Fewer fireing impulses per crankshaft revolution, not as evened out as the V8 Keep that in mind if you are wanting to go high HP. May be urban legend, but the explanation made sense to me at the time. -Bryan |
My new neighbor has a 914 with a Buick 3800 installed and he is even running the factory FI and computer with it. Hopefully I can talk him into joining the club. He is supposed to be coming to the BBQ next weekend. Maybe he will have some specs for it. It shure looks like it fits well in his engine bay.
Thanx for the input.
I thought 4.3l Vortec would be a nice weight to hp transfer and easier to work around.
Mod chips are available to up the hp, and a nice dependable engine too.
QUOTE (LongARM @ Mar 25 2005, 12:25 PM) |
Thanx for the input. I thought 4.3l Vortec would be a nice weight to hp transfer and easier to work around. Mod chips are available to up the hp, and a nice dependable engine too. |
QUOTE (914GT @ Mar 25 2005, 09:51 AM) | ||
I've heard this one too. Someone once posted a pretty convincing technical argument for it. What doesn't make sense to me - why a high-HP/torque 914/6 is great but a V6 is bad. Or if a 6 is worse than an 8, than a 4 should be worse yet, especially one of those big displacement stroker type IVs. If a V6 had significantly more low-end torque than a 914/6 than I might tend to agree, but is that really the situation? Maybe someone can post torque curves comparing 914/6's with some of the stock GM V6 engines. |
screw chevy stuff, do a modern type 4... suby 2.5 liter 200 horses is easy. and it fits like it was made for it
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QUOTE (bondo @ Mar 25 2005, 12:32 PM) |
[/QUOTE] My understanding is that the big porsche sixes require stepping up to the 915. I think the smaller sixes don't make as much torque as an american V6. Not sure about the big 4s, maybe they just aren't big enough yet |
QUOTE (Tom73 @ Mar 25 2005, 08:26 AM) |
One that perks my interest is using the 3.0/3.5 out of a Nissan Z car. That seems like it would make a nice package. tom... |
i like that subaru arrangement Scott. What is that 2.5l out of.???
i don't know Subaru's at all..
I think that that with most conversions it comes down to resources. I looked around because I thought I wanted to do a v-6 too, but when it comes right down to it, there is all kinds of stuff (kits, parts, and info.) for v-8's. It simply became "easier" to go the v-8 route. I have all the respect in the world for someone who wants to try something new, but right now I don't have the technical expertise to "go it alone". If I did, I think I would try a SHO v-6 conversion. Maybe next time.
Hey riverman .... the 914 4 runs real nice in cold canadian air ....ehhhh
nice project ....i look at all your pics so far..
waiting for my garage to warm up a
bit now,,,
QUOTE (LongARM @ Mar 25 2005, 05:06 PM) |
i like that subaru arrangement Scott. What is that 2.5l out of.??? i don't know Subaru's at all.. |
I'm smack in the middle of a Buick V6 conversion into my 75 914. It is a V3800 out of 1988 Olds Delta 88, front wheel drive car. Lots of problems because of my choice of engine, but I am going with it in spite of those problems (like a dsitributorless engine, serpintine belt system I can't use, headers are a problem to find, and engine mounting bolt locations on the engine are not symetrical). I'm dumping the V3800 FI in favor of an Edelbrock manifold and Holley 4bbl carb. The V6 to Porsche transaxle adapter is on order from Kennedy Engineering. Everything else I'll figure out myself.
I am sick and tired of the perpetual type 4 oil leaker that breaks continually, which is my reason for going the Buick V6 route. My suggestions, after my recent experience, would be to go with a 78 to 82 Buick even fire V6 engine with a distributor and real V belts for driving the water pump and alternator. Of course, the newer Buick V6 front wheel drive engines have better heads (better flow) and other features to recommend them, but require additional considerations and cost.
That's my story.
Don
Actually the buick 3.8L even-fire is available all the way up to 87 in the Grand National. It's a very nice engine and contrary to popular belief, they are very smooth reving, it's the 70's odd-fire setup that had vibration issues.
If built properly figure on 200hp, perfect fit in the 914 engine bay, and plenty of room for an a/c compressor. I'll have one for sale in the next couple weeks. If someone wants all out insane power, I'd still go with the 350, but for being fast and fun to drive without so much power that the trans and CV's are pressed to their limit, the V6 is hard to beat.
I've heard some people say that a V8 is easier on the trans because there are more torque pulses in an 8cy than a 6cy or a 4 for that matter, but I'm not buying it. I think most failures are due to raw torque and the forces at hand overcoming the physical limitations of the parts in question.
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My suggestions, after my recent experience, would be to go with a 78 to 82 Buick even fire V6 engine with a distributor |
as for my engine its a 98 legacy with 60 k miles. one reason for the choose was the way it fit, the fact that its not too much for the tranny. i am using a stock clutch that is holding 160 lbs of torque in first gear full throttle accelerations. here is the stock torque/ hp chart
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