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Posted by: nebreitling Mar 28 2005, 12:42 AM

...it's finally here!

My apologies for the belated debut, as I know some of you have been sitting on scores for months now.

We had hoped to integrate 914cup more fully into the club site, but this will work for now...

To Enter the 2005 914Cup AX Competition, follow this link:

http://www.stanford.edu/~neb/914cupmain.htm

Please follow the directions there and use the email links provided -- it will make this more managable for me.

Give me a few days and I'll start an official "points" thread to follow the scores!

Cheers ,

Nathan

Posted by: nebreitling Mar 28 2005, 12:43 AM

.... and for those of you who have NO idea what i'm talking about:

914cup 2005

a virtual autocross series....

914ers are encouraged to participate in their respective autocross series, and report those times back here for a virtual, nationwide 914 autocross competition!


How it works:

Class your car. Enter an autocross in your area. Compete. Report back the event's TTOD, your fastest time of the day, your class, and some other minor bits of information. Points for your submitted times will be generated and entered into an ongoing series for 2005. At the end of the 2005 season, the best of each competitor's SIX (6) events will be tallied.

How do I sign up?

go here: http://www.stanford.edu/~neb/914cupmain.htm


Rules:

-Open to 914's only.

-4cyl, 6cyl, SBC conversions, rotary conversions, EV's, tube frame cars, and other customs are welcome to compete. Simply, the car MUST have started its life out as a 914, and retain some spirit of a 914.

-Cars will be divided by points into four (4) classes. Competitors are responsible for classing their cars themselves, and for policing each other if necessary.

-see below for classing information

-Eligible AX's

-Only submissions from an official, timed AX event run by a sanctioning body such as PCA or SCCA is eligible.
-In order to preserve competition, only AX events with a minimum of 5 total competitors will be eligible.
-if 5-10 total competitors, event points will be handicapped by .8
-if 11-15 total competitors, event points will be handicapped by .9
-if 16-20 total competitors, event points will be handicapped by .95
-if 21+ competitors, event points will not be handicapped.

-Competitors may enter and submit times from any number of AX events they wish.
-AX "training schools" are not eligible.
-If a competitor competes in multiple sanctioning bodies (e.g. PCA and SCCA), s/he must account for two seperate entries in 914cup; one for each sanctioning body. In this case, the competitor may submit his/her best series results for end-of-the-year 914cup standings.
-Only events held in 2005 will be eligible.

Eligible Submissions:

-Definition: TTOD here refers to the fastest officially-recognized run by any production-based car. This specifically excludes open-wheeled cars such as SCCA's A-mod or F-SAE classes, as well as (very rarely) some PCA Exhibition-classed cars on a case-by-case basis.

-Each competitor must submit their personal fastest official run of the day, as well as the official TTOD for the event. A score will be generated based on a ratio of the TTOD to the competitor's best time multiplied by 100.

e.g. if the TTOD is 37.286, and the competitor's best time is 41.615, then the competitor will earn 90 points for that event.
(37.286/41.615 = .895975009 * 100 = 89.59 rounded to nearest integer
= 90)

-This score will then be modified if necessary based upon total number of
entries (see above, "Eligible AX's")

-TTOD will always be 100 points, except AX events with less than 21
competitors, where TTOD will be either 95, 90, or 80 points (see above,
"Eligible AX's")

-All submissions shall be Raw Times -- not indexed (i.e. do not submit your PAX results)
-Fun runs are not accepted for a competitors best time
-All submitted times must be officially recognized by the organization that you run with.
-i.e., if a competitor disputes a time with his/her sanctioning body, s/he must nonetheless report the officially recognized time. If such a dispute is resolved in the competitor's favor, s/he may have his/ her score adjusted accordingly.


Score Keeping

-Scores will be tallied continuously throughout the autocross season.
-Scores will be reported in integer form. Only in the event of a season-tie will scores be calculated to the
n-th decimal necessary to determine a winner.


CLASSES:


Competitors must class themselves by adding the following points in tally according to their 914. Competitors may switch classes mid-season, but end of the year standings will be tallied for the highest class that competitor raced in.

Backdating (e.g. exhaust, bumpers, doors) is free.

Stock = 0-99 points
Improved = 100-249 points
Modified = 250-349 points
Super-Modified = 350+ points


Tires

Width:
205-width and under = + 0
tirewidth (for 305 and less): (2xx – 205) = penalty points
greater than 305 width = 100 penalty points.

i.e. :
205 or less = +0
215 = +10
225 = +20
235 = +30
etc....
305 or greater = +100

Competitors running slicks in non-standard tire size must convert sizes and add points accordingly.
http://www.csgnetwork.com/tireinfo4calc.html

Type:
DOT Street Tires with treadwear rating over 100* = +0
*exception: Falken Azenis = +50
DOT r-compound tires = +100
non DOT tires (slicks) = +150*
*Competitors running slicks must run in S-Mod,
at a minimum of 350 total points. If the competitor's
total class-points do not add up to at least 350 points,
they must nonetheless report 350 total points for all
purposes of classing.

Brakes

free all classes

Suspension

non-stock rear springs/torsion bars +30
fine-adjustable coil spring platforms +10
(e.g. threaded collars or sim.)
non-stock sway bar +30


Interior

Interior has been substantially gutted and lightened = +20
Race Seat = +10

Body/Frame

car has been lightened by replacing body panels or bumpers with non-stock parts (fiberglass, carbon fiber, etc.) = +10 per body panel

car has been stiffened by reinforcing suspension points (extra bracing, cage tied into suspension points, etc.) = +20

inner or outer long reinforcement: +5

for cars that have been lightened/stiffened beyond the above: please add points as you deem appropriate.


Transmission

non-stock gearing = +15
LSD = +40

Engine/Flywheel/Exhaust/Induction/etc.

Displacement (4cyl)

1.7 - 1.8 = +0
1.9 = +15
2.0 = +30
2.01-2.2 = +45
2.21-2.4 = +60
>2.4 = +75

Displacement (6 cyl)

2.0 = +45
2.01-2.3 = +60
2.31-2.6 = +75
2.7-2.9 = +90
3.0 = +100
3.2 = +125
3.6+ = +150


Induction (ALL CARS with internal combustion engines):*

Stock FI = +0
Stock or non-improved Carbs = +0

Non-stock FI = +15
Non-stock or improved Carbs* = +15
(this includes all dual carbs on T4's)

*for conversions such as SBC/rotary: if the induction
is an improvement over a common version of your
motor (such as a big carb on a V8), add points as
as directed.


Cams (ALL CARS with internal combustion engines):*

stock = +0
non-stock = +20

*for conversions such as SBC/rotary: if the camshaft
is an improvement over a common version of your
motor, add points as directed.

Ignition:

free all classes

Other:

V8 conversion = +70*
*Add additional points for induction and cam
(etc.) if necessary. Exhaust, including
headers, is free.
Rotary/Suby conversion = +75*
*Add additional points for induction, cam and
turbo (etc.) if necessary. Exhaust, including
headers, is free.
Electric conversion = add "Engine" points as you deem appropriate
Other conversion = add points as you deem appropriate


Flywheel (All Cars):

stock = +0
lightened = +5

Forced Induction (All Cars):

car is turbo- or super- charged: +40

Exhaust (All 4cyl and 6cyl):

mufflers: free all classes
headers: +15

Posted by: J P Stein Mar 28 2005, 01:37 AM

I haven't a clue, but I'm in anyhow

Posted by: trekkor Mar 28 2005, 09:42 AM

Yay!

KT

Posted by: nebreitling Mar 28 2005, 10:55 AM

Posted by: J P Stein Mar 28 2005, 12:05 PM

Odd.....
There seemed to be a lot of interest in this deal back when the idea first surfaced.
Are guys signing up but not posting the fact?
This IS the official sign-up isn't it?
Do we need a stickey?

Posted by: nebreitling Mar 28 2005, 12:35 PM

yes. this is THE official signup. we've got about 7 registered competitors so far, and about 3 score submissions...

but i figure people will register as they have scores -- i know a lot of people haven't even started their season yet.

i don't know why trekkor is waiting, though.... (maybe cause i haven't sent you those pictures?)

Posted by: trekkor Mar 28 2005, 01:45 PM

I'll register tonight.

I saw this cool deal this morning. Went to work. I'm home for lunch, and leaving in 8 minutes

And I need those pics...

KT

Posted by: Rough_Rider Mar 28 2005, 01:52 PM

I'm in.....
Although my score jumped somwhat from the last time i checked!!

Used to be 235 Improved
Now it 355 Super Mod, better stop modifying

Posted by: nebreitling Mar 28 2005, 02:30 PM

you went ahead and got the tires, trevor?

i;ll go ahead and put you down at 355, S-Mod. your car sounds scary...

Posted by: mike_the_man Mar 28 2005, 02:40 PM

I'm in! I registered this morning, just didn't realize that we're supposed to post the fact. My AutoX season doesn't start till May, mind you. We still have about a foot of snow in most places, although the temps are actually above freezing, so we may see some grass and clear pavement in the near future! Time to get working on the teener and get it road worthy.

Posted by: nebreitling Mar 28 2005, 02:46 PM

you don't have to post that you've registered -- i got it here!

but it helps keep the post towards the top! n

Posted by: itsa914 Mar 28 2005, 03:20 PM

I'm registered.

Posted by: Andyrew Mar 28 2005, 04:29 PM

Registered earlyer this morn.

Im still 245 "Improved"

BAH!! oh, im laughing at that word....

Posted by: kermit Mar 28 2005, 07:01 PM

I'm registered too.

Posted by: trekkor Mar 28 2005, 09:48 PM

Done...

KT

Posted by: J P Stein Mar 28 2005, 09:53 PM

Can we start trash talkin' yet or do we need to have some actual results first?

Posted by: nebreitling Mar 28 2005, 10:05 PM

i say we go ahead and talk trash. JP, you and i are tied for last, with zero points.

Here's everyone that has registered so far, along with their respective class points:

S:
Mike Parkinson 60

I:
Garold Shaffer 105
Grant Keyser 180
Jason Panciera 215
Demick Boyden 225
Howard Yao 240
Andrew Dalen 245

M:
Trekkor Wills 265
Nathan Breitling 315

SM:
Brian Willess 355
Trevor Turner-Rice 355
JP Stein (PCA) 500
JP Stein (SCCA) 500

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 28 2005, 10:50 PM

alright, just signed up, S-Mod with 395 Points ...

and the car is my daily driver!
Andy

Posted by: J P Stein Mar 28 2005, 11:05 PM

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Mar 28 2005, 08:50 PM)

and the car is my daily driver! Andy

That and a buck will getcha a cup of coffee.......

Posted by: SirAndy Mar 28 2005, 11:34 PM

QUOTE (J P Stein @ Mar 28 2005, 09:05 PM)

will getcha a cup of coffee.......

around here that would be:

a non-fat, double latte, decaf, caramel-Macchiato with non-fat whip cream!

yummi ...

Posted by: VegasRacer Mar 28 2005, 11:53 PM

I sent in my registration plus the results for the first 2 events.
(I wish guys driving the Lola and Westfield 7 would stay at home )

Posted by: nebreitling Mar 29 2005, 03:14 AM

keep in mind, john, that the TTOD here only refers to production-based cars. so if a lola formula car set TTOD, and a wildly modified miata set second TTOD, you'd only have to report the miata's time as your TTOD.

the seven replica counts, though

Posted by: mike_the_man Mar 29 2005, 08:04 AM

QUOTE (nebreitling @ Mar 28 2005, 08:05 PM)

S: Mike Parkinson 60 I: Garold Shaffer 105 Grant Keyser 180 Jason Panciera 215 Demick Boyden 225 Howard Yao 240 Andrew Dalen 245

Sweet, I like the looks of my competition so far! We have no one else with a stock car? If I'm not going to have any competition, I may have to add a few more parts to bump me up a class.

Posted by: nebreitling Mar 29 2005, 10:31 AM

you're it so far! stock class is going to be the thinnest. however, i expect another 4 or 5 competitors there based on interest in the old thread.

Posted by: Part Pricer Mar 29 2005, 11:02 AM

I'm in da house with my 80 point stock monster.

Posted by: nebreitling Mar 29 2005, 01:53 PM

JP IS SLOW






(bump)

Posted by: J P Stein Mar 29 2005, 03:35 PM

A transparent attempt to keep this thread on the front page.....I rise like a starving cutthroat to a mayfly

As to the facts of "Slow". You're right.....painfully slow, so I hang out with guys that are even slower (that would be ya'll).....it makes me feel young again.

Posted by: drgchapman Mar 29 2005, 04:06 PM

I'm in with 185 pts. Assuming my Hoosier DOT A's are worth 100 pts. Sounds fun. We don't have our first a/x until April 17th. Can't wait.

Where's Chambers?

Posted by: cha914 Mar 29 2005, 04:16 PM

Damn, just squeeked into mod at 255pts...going to be an uphill battle



Tony

Posted by: J P Stein Mar 30 2005, 01:43 PM

Nathan:
How many AX wankers do we have signed up?

A list would be nice so I know exactly who to insult.

Posted by: Porsche Rescue Mar 30 2005, 02:15 PM

Fiberglass front bumper and valance, 10 points or 20 points?

Posted by: drgchapman Mar 30 2005, 02:22 PM

Chambers!
There you are......glad to see you joined the party. JP needs more than me to talk smack on.
I just received my A series Hoosiers, no more rough ones for me.

Posted by: nebreitling Mar 30 2005, 02:55 PM

a little ambiguity about the valence. front bumper is definitely 10 itself. you can decide at your descretion whether to add 5 or 10 points for the valence .


i'll have a list posted either tonight or tomorrow of the competitors, and the scores thus far... need to get back out and work on the car...

Posted by: grantsfo Mar 30 2005, 03:13 PM

QUOTE (nebreitling @ Mar 30 2005, 12:55 PM)

a little ambiguity about the valence. front bumper is definitely 10 itself. you can decide at your descretion whether to add 5 or 10 points for the valence . i'll have a list posted either tonight or tomorrow of the competitors, and the scores thus far... need to get back out and work on the car...

So what about us big guys who wiegh 270 lbs verses somone who might be around 170 lbs or so? I think if youre over 200 lbs fiberglass bumpers should be free! So if I personally lose 50 lbs its free but I have to pay in points if I take it off the car. OK that does it I'm losing weight!

Posted by: J P Stein Mar 30 2005, 03:26 PM

QUOTE (drgchapman @ Mar 30 2005, 12:22 PM)

I just received my A series Hoosiers, no more rough ones for me.

I think I liked you better with them R-for-Rough jobbies

Posted by: nebreitling Mar 30 2005, 03:44 PM

QUOTE (grantsfo @ Mar 30 2005, 01:13 PM)

QUOTE (nebreitling @ Mar 30 2005, 12:55 PM) a little ambiguity about the valence.  front bumper is definitely 10 itself.  you can decide at your descretion whether to add 5 or 10 points for the valence .   i'll have a list posted either tonight or tomorrow of the competitors, and the scores thus far...  need to get back out and work on the car... So what about us big guys who wiegh 270 lbs verses somone who might be around 170 lbs or so? I think if youre over 200 lbs fiberglass bumpers should be free! So if I personally lose 50 lbs its free but I have to pay in points if I take it off the car. OK that does it I'm losing weight!

sorry grant!!!

(i can just see it now: all of us starving ourselves and jogging in sweatsuits before the next AX)

Posted by: cametal Mar 30 2005, 08:08 PM

Count me in! 195 improved class. Just sent in two scores

Posted by: J P Stein Mar 30 2005, 09:09 PM

QUOTE (cametal @ Mar 30 2005, 06:08 PM)

Count me in! 195 improved class. Just sent in two scores

195????Hah!!....lessee a bolwed up picher of your avitar. Let us check for sandbags piled on that thing.

Posted by: cametal Mar 30 2005, 09:34 PM

Mabe the primer makes it look fast!



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Posted by: J P Stein Mar 30 2005, 09:47 PM

Ah ha.....that's what I figgured....Primer +50
That wing has gotta be good for sumthin' besides +50
Stickeys ...+10 EACH...cept for the ASP stickey which is +20

Somebody total that up.....I was never good at numbers.