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Posted by: yarin Jun 18 2003, 12:18 PM

If I do end up buying the red 914 near me that I mentioned in the other thread, will it pass DE Tech Inspection?? The hack job oil cooler worries me. Any thoughts??






Thanks!

Posted by: seanery Jun 18 2003, 12:40 PM

If it were me, and I bought that car, I would replumb the oil lines to someplace safer, like behind the rocker panel cover. and use hard or braided lines. That looks a bit scary to me. Pickup one sharp rock and oil is gone.

Also, I'd move it where it needs to go. That hole looks like a good air exit hole as opposed to an inlet. That mayb be a low pressure area (correct me if I'm wrong).

Posted by: J P Stein Jun 18 2003, 01:17 PM

I'd be more worried about it passing the rust inspection. How's the top of the long below and in front of the battery tray?

There are entirely too many rusty surfaces visable in your pics....and no pics of the "hell hole" or around the jack posts.

Posted by: yarin Jun 18 2003, 01:22 PM

Here are the other pics: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~yarin/Picts/914-bing/

There is a whole thread about this car. I think I manged to capture everything. From what I can tell it is just surface rust.

Posted by: Kerrys914 Jun 18 2003, 01:23 PM

Please....move those oil lines to behind the rocker covers as mentioned

It looks like the PO used the A/C condenser housing to house the oil cooler??? I think there is another hole farther back with a air deflector attached.

One thing you can do to help with the looks and add a bit of protection to the coil is to add some metal grating to cover the hole. You can get some Galv grating at Lowes paint it black and attach it to the trunk side of the hole. Add a little plastic door gaurd, from your FLAPS, to the sheetmetal edge of the hole and it will look like it was designed that way

Best of luck
Kerry

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 18 2003, 01:25 PM

If I was the DE tech inspector I wouldn't let it on a track with the oil cooler lines on the bottom plus being effin rubber hose. Perfect for blowing oil all over the track! Total joke of a installation.

Geoff

Posted by: J P Stein Jun 18 2003, 01:27 PM

Yeah, I saw em'. I got off the turnip truck, but not the last one.....I'm done.

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 18 2003, 01:32 PM

Where JP is talking about..


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Posted by: yarin Jun 18 2003, 01:38 PM

Tell me more about this "hole"

Posted by: Kerrys914 Jun 18 2003, 01:48 PM

Depending on the price and your skill it maybe a goo find. It looks fairly clean.

You may want some heat in the car though during the late fall You can pick up a pair of exchanges fairly cheap.

Posted by: Kerrys914 Jun 18 2003, 01:51 PM

I think the "Hell hole" is below the battery and near the firewall. It gets all ruste dout from rain washing acid off the battery and down onto the shell/suspension parts... you name it.

Posted by: seanery Jun 18 2003, 01:54 PM

the "Hell Hole" is where the watery batery acid ends up. If you are looking in the injun compartment it will be the closest, lowest point behind the passenger seat. Probe at it with a screw driver if you can't get your head down low enough. That is the best reason to get an Optima battery.

They get pretty nasty... there have been some pics posted, but are probably located in several different threads.

Posted by: scotty Jun 18 2003, 02:30 PM

So... a v8 install with coolant lines in the same place wouldn't pass a DE inspection?

Posted by: seanery Jun 18 2003, 02:50 PM

I would doubt it. Look under your car. See all those scratches and dents? The same thing will happen to your lines. Hard lines will be a bit better, but they are still very vunerable.

I've seen oil and/or fuel lines run through the passenger compartment (full race) and oil lines behind the rocker covers on either side.

I don't think I'd do coolant through the passenger compartment.

Posted by: Mueller Jun 18 2003, 02:54 PM

I doubt they'd even look under the car unless it was obvious something was leaking or hanging down too far.


The things they look for are loose wheel bearings, a battery not tied down properly, basic saftey items.

I don't view the oil lines under the car as a saftey issue. Unless you go off road, they should be fine, the lines are more likely to fail where attached to the motor or cooler.

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 18 2003, 02:55 PM

Here is a shot of what happens to the engine shelf and long when the battery acid eats thru. See the ground down below, there is NOTHING there anymore.
Geoff


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Posted by: goobu Jun 18 2003, 03:52 PM

some of us even relocate the battery to the front to avoid this problem completely

Posted by: yarin Jun 18 2003, 04:43 PM

At the pre-event tech inspection the team of techs attack the car from all different angles. They put it up on a lift and go through everything. Cheak for leaks, tie rods, tire, clamps, brakes, u name it.. they check it.


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Posted by: TimT Jun 18 2003, 05:24 PM

If the tub is solid, the car may be a good purchase. The oil lines can always be relocated. I wonder what service rating that hose is for.

Posted by: VegasRacer Jun 19 2003, 12:29 AM

Tech Inspection is not something to try and "sneak thru".
Those guys are donating their time and knowledge to protect everyone at the event.
If you have a question about a safety issue - fix it.
I know I would not want to be the first one to drive thru the oil you just put on my apex
and end up in the wall, because you 'thought it would be OK' to run with exposed rubber oil lines.
High speed driving is dangerous.
For your safety (not to mention enjoyment and expenses)
and the safety of all the other drivers, workers and spectators -
Do everything you can to insure that it is a safe and fun event.
[/soapbox]

Posted by: MJHanna Jun 19 2003, 07:19 AM

I would not want to run this car on a track with the location of those lines. Whether or not the DE inspectors think its OK is irreverent. This is a disaster waiting to happen. Remember whose butt is in the car when it breaks and who’s going in a wall, Armco or whatever WHEN it fails. Can you say Me???? The rest of the car looks pretty nice. Hope the price is OK Oh Fram filters suck if you get the car try a different brand. Problems cited with some of the Frams include cardboard instead of steel end caps, less filter area, leaking anti-drain valves, cheap plastic bypass valves, disintegrating elements, etc.
See:
http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html