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Posted by: Hans Jan Apr 28 2016, 08:03 PM
The 1972 914 I bought is supposed to have 103mm Nickies (by LN-Engineering) with JE-forged pistons.
The car caught on-fire, so I had to remove the engine. After doing so I find that the cylinders are magnetic. Nickies are made from Aluminum, so this is suspicious.
Is any of you able to recognize the make of the Cylinders in the below pictures. There is one picture with some marking on it. I do not want to disassemble the engine any further then needed.
I only own this car for two weeks now, but going up a very steep learning-curve. very soon I will be able to help others. But for now I'm only asking questions.
Br,
Hans Jan
Posted by: 396 Apr 28 2016, 08:09 PM
Sorry to hear of your car. In regards to your question, I think you already know the answer.
Posted by: rhcb914 Apr 28 2016, 08:11 PM
Those are AA cylinders.
http://aapistons.com/
Posted by: ThePaintedMan Apr 28 2016, 08:16 PM
At this point, I'd be willing to bet the pistons aren't JE's either. But no worries. That's why we're here. I saw the video - that sucks. You got taken by the previous owner, but you're certainly not the first one. It can all be rebuilt. Of course it takes more time and $$ out of your own pocket, but we'll help you figure it all out.
Posted by: Hans Jan Apr 28 2016, 08:35 PM
Even though this is bad news, you guys are the best.
I have looked at the AA-website, but cant find the machine size for the register. If this register is bigger then 108.5mm the Nickies won't fit anymore.
Anyone knows the register size for AA-cylinders 103mm?
Posted by: Valy Apr 28 2016, 08:35 PM
The orange silicon tells a lot about who built this engine. You don't want it there.
Posted by: 914Sixer Apr 28 2016, 08:51 PM
You will have to disassemble the engine to find out what you have. If it is running good just tell everyone you have a mystery engine.
Posted by: Mueller Apr 28 2016, 08:59 PM
Nickies are machined, those are cast cylinders, I hope you didn't pay for Nickies!
Posted by: Mueller Apr 28 2016, 09:00 PM
You will have to disassemble the engine to find out what you have. If it is running good just tell everyone you have a mystery engine.
And if you sell it don't misrepresent the motor like the person you bought it from
Posted by: rick 918-S Apr 28 2016, 09:05 PM
What video? What did I miss? Maybe not the engine it's supposed to be but if you had a fire you have way more on your plate now. If that engine runs good don't worry about it. Sort it out after you fed the car repaired. 
Posted by: Racer Chris Apr 29 2016, 04:56 AM
Those aren't 103s.
The case registers are probably unmodified.
Posted by: jdm914 Apr 29 2016, 09:18 AM
It might be worth while to have a long talk with the previous owner who miss represented the engine! Not only the piston cylinders not as advertised but you never never use RTV in building a 914 engine.
Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 29 2016, 09:24 AM
If you paid nickies coin for that you have been hosed.
I'd be just a tad pissy about it.
Posted by: boxsterfan Apr 29 2016, 09:29 AM
Who sold you the car and are they a member here on 914world?
Posted by: iwanta914-6 Apr 29 2016, 09:34 AM
More about this unfortunate event in this thread:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=277029&hl=
Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 29 2016, 09:36 AM
It might be worth while to have a long talk with the previous owner who miss represented the engine! Not only the piston cylinders not as advertised but you never never use RTV in building a 914 engine.
RTV is OK under the cylinders. Also a little RTV rubbed into paper gaskets (no excess) is OK as well.
Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 29 2016, 09:40 AM
More about this unfortunate event in this thread:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=277029&hl=
Posted by: Valy Apr 29 2016, 10:03 AM
It might be worth while to have a long talk with the previous owner who miss represented the engine! Not only the piston cylinders not as advertised but you never never use RTV in building a 914 engine.
RTV is OK under the cylinders. Also a little RTV rubbed into paper gaskets (no excess) is OK as well.
No, it's not ok at the registers. It means that when you torque the heads you actually measure the RTV elasticity. This will allow vibration in cylinders and heads worn the cylinders and create leaks when the RTV cracks.
Posted by: sixnotfour Apr 29 2016, 10:09 AM
If you paid nickies coin for that you have been hosed.
I'd be just a tad pissy about it.
Yes , about a $3000 difference plus machining costs..
Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 29 2016, 10:38 AM
It might be worth while to have a long talk with the previous owner who miss represented the engine! Not only the piston cylinders not as advertised but you never never use RTV in building a 914 engine.
RTV is OK under the cylinders. Also a little RTV rubbed into paper gaskets (no excess) is OK as well.
No, it's not ok at the registers. It means that when you torque the heads you actually measure the RTV elasticity. This will allow vibration in cylinders and heads worn the cylinders and create leaks when the RTV cracks.
Over 25 years and hundreds of T1, T4, and /6 engines built, except for one cam/lifter related, no failures.
How many engines have you built?
Posted by: mepstein Apr 29 2016, 10:44 AM
It might be worth while to have a long talk with the previous owner who miss represented the engine! Not only the piston cylinders not as advertised but you never never use RTV in building a 914 engine.
RTV is OK under the cylinders. Also a little RTV rubbed into paper gaskets (no excess) is OK as well.
No, it's not ok at the registers. It means that when you torque the heads you actually measure the RTV elasticity. This will allow vibration in cylinders and heads worn the cylinders and create leaks when the RTV cracks.
Over 25 years and hundreds of T1, T4, and /6 engines built, except for one cam/lifter related, no failures.
How many engines have you built?
I know it's not a six thing, don't know about 4's.
Posted by: jdm914 Apr 29 2016, 10:54 AM
It might be worth while to have a long talk with the previous owner who miss represented the engine! Not only the piston cylinders not as advertised but you never never use RTV in building a 914 engine.
RTV is OK under the cylinders. Also a little RTV rubbed into paper gaskets (no excess) is OK as well.
No, it's not ok at the registers. It means that when you torque the heads you actually measure the RTV elasticity. This will allow vibration in cylinders and heads worn the cylinders and create leaks when the RTV cracks.
Over 25 years and hundreds of T1, T4, and /6 engines built, except for one cam/lifter related, no failures.
How many engines have you built?
There are better and more appropriate sealants available for engine assembly especially for air cooled Porsche as VW motors. Also there are locations where no sealant is better. (cylinder to case seal) BTW I have also built hundreds of four and six cylinder Porsche engines since 1973.
Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 29 2016, 11:07 AM
Point is I've never seen a failure.
It was how Gene Berg did it, so that's good enough for me.
Besides every builder has their favorites, some like curil-T, I've tried and think it's garbage. I have a couple unopened tubes if anyone wants it.
Three bond I like, but quit using teflon dope on the PR seals, because I could see it when I cut open filters, now I use dow 55 which is way better, etc.
Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 29 2016, 11:33 AM
BTW just an FYI I've also used both Jake's and Supertec's sealant kits.
Posted by: iwanta914-6 Apr 29 2016, 11:37 AM
Well, this thread went a bit off topic... Turned into a battle of "how many engines have you built?"
Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 29 2016, 12:01 PM
Well, this thread went a bit off topic... Turned into a battle of "how many engines have you built?"
Whatever...someone had a different opinion based on internet knowledge. My point is there's more than one way to seal an engine properly.
Different builders different opinions.
Posted by: jdm914 Apr 29 2016, 12:41 PM
Good point... It is unfortunate that this new 914 owner started out with a very bad experience plus the fact that the previous owner misrepresented the car.
Posted by: Puebloswatcop Apr 29 2016, 01:13 PM
I think we should all concentrate on finding the SOB that sold our 914 friend the car and have a bit of a chat with him about ethics and morals..... 
Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 29 2016, 01:28 PM
Good point... It is unfortunate that this new 914 owner started out with a very bad experience plus the fact that the previous owner misrepresented the car.
You're right and this is back on topic.
I've seen this and buying without a PPI, it happens so many times with the buyer leaving the hobby forever. I absolutely hate it.
Posted by: sixnotfour Apr 29 2016, 01:49 PM
If you paid nickies coin for that you have been hosed.
I'd be just a tad pissy about it.
Yes , about a $3000 difference plus machining costs..
Posted by: Valy Apr 29 2016, 01:51 PM
@Mark: So did the guy that rebuilt that engine...
Many wrongs don't make it right.
And if you want bravery stories, I've rebuilt turboprop engines. How many of those did you rebuilt?
The VW engines are like tractor engines. They will take a lot of abuse before they fail.
But back to the point, RTV on the registers is wrong. I'm trying to help here not to show off the size of my balls.
Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 29 2016, 02:27 PM
@Mark: So did the guy that rebuilt that engine...
Many wrongs don't make it right.
And if you want bravery stories, I've rebuilt turboprop engines. How many of those did you rebuilt?
The VW engines are like tractor engines. They will take a lot of abuse before they fail.
But back to the point, RTV on the registers is wrong. I'm trying to help here not to show off the size of my balls.
This reminds me why I rarely offer any engine rebuild advice, not worth the bother, too many armchair experts.
Back to the sandbox where everyone is an asshole, but no one seems to be butthurt about it.
Posted by: Valy Apr 29 2016, 04:59 PM
@Mark: So did the guy that rebuilt that engine...
Many wrongs don't make it right.
And if you want bravery stories, I've rebuilt turboprop engines. How many of those did you rebuilt?
The VW engines are like tractor engines. They will take a lot of abuse before they fail.
But back to the point, RTV on the registers is wrong. I'm trying to help here not to show off the size of my balls.
This reminds me why I rarely offer any engine rebuild advice, not worth the bother, too many armchair experts.
Back to the sandbox where everyone is an asshole, but no one seems to be butthurt about it.
Or is it because you don't find a Gene Berg answer for every question?
Copying is easy. Understanding why is a different story.
Posted by: r_towle Apr 29 2016, 06:48 PM
@Mark: So did the guy that rebuilt that engine...
Many wrongs don't make it right.
And if you want bravery stories, I've rebuilt turboprop engines. How many of those did you rebuilt?
The VW engines are like tractor engines. They will take a lot of abuse before they fail.
But back to the point, RTV on the registers is wrong. I'm trying to help here not to show off the size of my balls.
This reminds me why I rarely offer any engine rebuild advice, not worth the bother, too many armchair experts.
Back to the sandbox where everyone is an asshole, but no one seems to be butthurt about it.
At least we can all agree that the sandbox is our home
Posted by: Mark Henry Apr 30 2016, 06:50 AM
@Mark: So did the guy that rebuilt that engine...
Many wrongs don't make it right.
And if you want bravery stories, I've rebuilt turboprop engines. How many of those did you rebuilt?
The VW engines are like tractor engines. They will take a lot of abuse before they fail.
But back to the point, RTV on the registers is wrong. I'm trying to help here not to show off the size of my balls.
This reminds me why I rarely offer any engine rebuild advice, not worth the bother, too many armchair experts.
Back to the sandbox where everyone is an asshole, but no one seems to be butthurt about it.
Or is it because you don't find a Gene Berg answer for every question?
Copying is easy. Understanding why is a different story.
Valy I apologize, I didn't realize I was arguing with a 14 year old High School girl.
Posted by: Valy Apr 30 2016, 04:29 PM
@Mark: So did the guy that rebuilt that engine...
Many wrongs don't make it right.
And if you want bravery stories, I've rebuilt turboprop engines. How many of those did you rebuilt?
The VW engines are like tractor engines. They will take a lot of abuse before they fail.
But back to the point, RTV on the registers is wrong. I'm trying to help here not to show off the size of my balls.
This reminds me why I rarely offer any engine rebuild advice, not worth the bother, too many armchair experts.
Back to the sandbox where everyone is an asshole, but no one seems to be butthurt about it.
Or is it because you don't find a Gene Berg answer for every question?
Copying is easy. Understanding why is a different story.
Valy I apologize, I didn't realize I was arguing with a 14 year old High School girl.
You never do.
Posted by: Hans Jan May 2 2016, 01:06 PM
Sorry. I havent visit the site for a few days, and was not aware that so many members got upset. Im the buyer, that only got to drive this car to the state inspector. It caught on fire on my way home.
Of course I am very upset to have bought a car with Nickies Cylinders, but recieved it with AA parts instead.
One of you mentioned that they are probably not even 103 mm. How can you tell?
Btw: the seller is a member of this site (Glenn Wright, calling his operation NineOneFourRacing).
Br,
Hans Jan
Posted by: Hans Jan May 2 2016, 01:12 PM
Those aren't 103s.
The case registers are probably unmodified.
This is a coincidence. I emailed you last night (asking about fuel supply tubing, to replace the hoses).
Please advise how you can tell that these AA cylinders are not 103mm.
Br
Hans Jan
Posted by: r_towle May 2 2016, 04:52 PM
Well, the best way is to measure the piston diameter, or the cylinder.
If that won't work, or you don't want to take the head off ( might want to leave it alone for now) you could measure the outside diameter but down at the cylinder, not the cooling fins.....
Let me take another look at your pics, it may be visible near the case....
Posted by: r_towle May 2 2016, 04:55 PM
I think Chris is right, the 103's just about touch the studs and yours appear to have some room.
I have a set on my motor, but it is not something I could take a picture of at this point.
Maybe
McMark or Mark Henry could show you.....they both have/had 103 mm cylinders.
Rich
Posted by: porschetub May 2 2016, 06:13 PM
I think Chris is right, the 103's just about touch the studs and yours appear to have some room.
I have a set on my motor, but it is not something I could take a picture of at this point.
Maybe
McMark or Mark Henry could show you.....they both have/had 103 mm cylinders.
Rich
Good spotting,no machining gone on there,just plain old AA 96mm kit,most likely has the original Chinese rings also
.I use Loctite sealer around cylinder bases never had an issue,this is case/component sealer,never saw RTV in the label,nevermind each to their own,we all know what works for us.
Really hope the owner can sort this with the seller,fraud involved here ...no question.
Posted by: Hans Jan May 2 2016, 09:23 PM
Good spotting,no machining gone on there,just plain old AA 96mm kit,most likely has the original Chinese rings also .
Really hope the owner can sort this with the seller,fraud involved here ...no question.
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This is breaking my heart. Not Nickies and now not even the right size. Then I probably won't have the 'custom' Camshaft and Crankshaft with 'performance rockers and lifters either.
It is the policy of this community not to defame its members. The seller is part of the 914world community. So... Lets leave it with that. Maybe I can report in a few months that justice has taking place.
Thank you all, for your support.
Br,
Hans Jan
Posted by: Mark Henry May 2 2016, 09:39 PM
I think Chris is right, the 103's just about touch the studs and yours appear to have some room.
I have a set on my motor, but it is not something I could take a picture of at this point.
Maybe
McMark or Mark Henry could show you.....they both have/had 103 mm cylinders.
Rich
Nickies would be silver aluminum, a magnet will not stick to them, they would also have ARP head studs with 12 point nuts.
This pic will give you an idea how much material is left when you machine for the 103 register.
Posted by: Mueller May 2 2016, 09:51 PM
[quote name='Hans Jan' date='May 2 2016, 08:23 PM' post='2339412']
Good spotting,no machining gone on there,just plain old AA 96mm kit,most likely has the original Chinese rings also .
Really hope the owner can sort this with the seller,fraud involved here ...no question.
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This is breaking my heart. Not Nickies and now not even the right size. Then I probably won't have the 'custom' Camshaft and Crankshaft with 'performance rockers and lifters either.
It is the policy of this community not to defame its members. The seller is part of the 914world community. So... Lets leave it with that. Maybe I can report in a few months that justice has taking place.
Thank you all, for your support.
Br,
Hans Jan
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Anyone with internet access can be a member here, there is no guarantee every member is going to be an outstanding pillar in their (our) community.
Best of luck, if it really is that craigslist person I think it is, I have doubts it'll be handled very well, hopefully I'm wrong.
Posted by: Hans Jan May 2 2016, 09:53 PM
Thank you Mark.
Posted by: 396 May 2 2016, 10:25 PM
I think Chris is right, the 103's just about touch the studs and yours appear to have some room.
I have a set on my motor, but it is not something I could take a picture of at this point.
Maybe
McMark or Mark Henry could show you.....they both have/had 103 mm cylinders.
Rich
Nickies would be silver aluminum, a magnet will not stick to them, they would also have ARP head studs with 12 point nuts.
This pic will give you an idea how much material is left when you machine for the 103 register.
Boy, you even have the ARP case bolts too. Way too go .
Posted by: Mark Henry May 2 2016, 10:38 PM
Boy, you even have the ARP case bolts too. Way too go .
Thanks, she is a brute in a 1700lb beetle.
Made my my own heads as well, 44x38, SSI valves, dual springs with 12mm plugs...but then what do I know I use RTV....
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Posted by: JamesM May 2 2016, 11:46 PM
Point is I've never seen a failure.
It was how Gene Berg did it, so that's good enough for me.
Besides every builder has their favorites, some like curil-T, I've tried and think it's garbage. I have a couple unopened tubes if anyone wants it.
Three bond I like, but quit using teflon dope on the PR seals, because I could see it when I cut open filters, now I use dow 55 which is way better, etc.
The 2056 I picked up from Bruce, allegedly assembled by EMW had a good amount of orange RTV as well, I havent managed to blow the thing up yet and not for lack of trying. Seems you are not the only one that uses it with success.
Posted by: 396 May 3 2016, 12:46 AM
This is breaking my heart. Not Nickies and now not even the right size. Then I probably won't have the 'custom' Camshaft and Crankshaft with 'performance rockers and lifters either.
It is the policy of this community not to defame its members. The seller is part of the 914world community. So... Lets leave it with that. Maybe I can report in a few months that justice has taking place.
Thank you all, for your support.
Br,
Hans Jan
I'm sorry of your misfortune. Buying an item represented one way and then receiving another would
a lot of people. If you can pm me the individual involved so I can avoid this person's future f/s posting.Thanks
Posted by: rhodyguy May 3 2016, 01:24 AM
Late to the party. You can see the parting line that is visible running down the cyl fins. That's where the 2 halves of the mold came together when they were cast.
Posted by: ThePaintedMan May 3 2016, 08:29 AM
It is the policy of this community not to defame its members. The seller is part of the 914world community. So... Lets leave it with that. Maybe I can report in a few months that justice has taking place.
Thank you all, for your support.
Br,
Hans Jan
I commend you for taking the high road, but I call bullshit on this one. It's not your fault you were sold something that you did not receive. And the fact that the car damn near burned down says a lot about the seller. We don't defame people here, but we DO call someone out when they've done something wrong (ask me how I know). Additionally, we look out for one another. If you decide to pursue recourse with this person, I'm sure folks here are in your corner.
Posted by: Jake Raby May 3 2016, 08:33 AM
Those are Chinese, cast iron clunkers... Nothing Nickies about those. Go slap the seller.
Posted by: Hans Jan May 3 2016, 08:48 AM
Thank you for the support. I feel like I bought a junk car, but received a container load of new friends.
The seller "Glenn Wright", operating as NineOneFourRacing out of Compton CA. Will be taken to court. I just received confirmation from LN-Engineering that these are indeed NOT Nickies. Coming from the Engineers themselves, the judge should side with me (or should I say US?).
Posted by: JOEPROPER May 3 2016, 08:51 AM
We've been hearing a lot about this Glenn in Compton lately... 
Posted by: billh1963 May 3 2016, 09:07 AM
I only see one post from Glenn Wright...selling a car last year
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=260293&hl=
Posted by: r_towle May 3 2016, 09:42 AM
Thank you Mark.
Of note is how close the studs are to the actual cylinder.
You can see they just about touch.
On your picture there is quite a bit of space between the stud and cylinder.
And of course, the rtv is another clue.
Posted by: sixnotfour May 3 2016, 02:24 PM
$5500 new German high compression 96mm pistons- new Nikalsil cylinders
Also includes 6mo. or 6,000mi. Warranty
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/pts/5517889949.html
you should be under warranty ?????
Posted by: Porschef May 3 2016, 02:52 PM
Maybe that's the engine that was supposed to go in your car...
Although I'm not savvy enough to be able to tell if those are Nickies or not (don't look like it)
Maybe he'll want to avoid court and will swap motors 
Posted by: ericoneal May 3 2016, 02:53 PM
Be sure to screenshot the Craigslist ad before it is taken down... Evidence.
$5500 new German high compression 96mm pistons- new Nikalsil cylinders
Also includes 6mo. or 6,000mi. Warranty
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/pts/5517889949.html
you should be under warranty ?????
Posted by: ericoneal May 3 2016, 02:53 PM
Be sure to screenshot the Craigslist ad before it is taken down... Evidence.
$5500 new German high compression 96mm pistons- new Nikalsil cylinders
Also includes 6mo. or 6,000mi. Warranty
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/pts/5517889949.html
you should be under warranty ?????
Posted by: r_towle May 3 2016, 04:50 PM
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Posted by: '73-914kid May 3 2016, 06:10 PM
Those aren't nickies in the picture from the craigslist add, that's for damn sure. Typical black paint on the cast iron AA cylinders, and the valve reliefs cut into the piston tops is what AA does on their typical 96mm big bore kit.
Posted by: 396 May 3 2016, 06:40 PM
Not to beat this to death. But if that's what the OP bought, I hope he didn't get " nickies" mixed up with Nikasil cylinder.. Nikasil is a coating.
Posted by: r_towle May 3 2016, 07:04 PM
Still would be aluminum.
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Posted by: Mueller May 3 2016, 07:04 PM
Not to beat this to death. But if that's what the OP bought, I hope he didn't get " nickies" mixed up with Nikasil cylinder.. Nikasil is a coating.
European Motorworks has NiCaSil coated cylinders, but those in the picture for this thread don't look aluminum.
http://www.europeanmotorworks.com/vw/type-4-pistons-cylinders.html
Posted by: r_towle May 3 2016, 07:06 PM
While they certainly may exist, I have not seen cast iron cylinders with a nickel plating for a type4 motor.
I recall the biral ones for the 356, and other types for the six cylinders...
All I know of are these above, and the nickies from LN.
Posted by: colingreene May 3 2016, 09:22 PM
was it Lawrences motor? EMW did do that motor.
and they do use orange RTV.
1211 is so much better though.
Posted by: Mark Henry May 3 2016, 09:47 PM
was it Lawrences motor? EMW did do that motor.
and they do use orange RTV.
1211 is so much better though.
I've tried it.
BTW it's still a silicone based product.... otherwise known as RTV
http://www.threebond.com.au/liquid-gaskets.html
Posted by: Jake Raby May 3 2016, 10:02 PM
Nickies TM are a trademark of LN Engineering, and have been for over 15 years.
Some cheap Chinese knockoffs (of course) do exist, and the sellers try to use the Nickies term to describe their product.
Nikisil is not a coating, its a plating comprised of Nickel, Silicon, and Carbide.. Not sure if the people coming up with NiCaSil product even know what the hell the composition is.
Its a sad time in this industry, but people keep getting away with lying, stealing, and selling junk.
Posted by: sixnotfour May 3 2016, 10:12 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikasil
Posted by: Mark Henry May 4 2016, 01:18 PM
was it Lawrences motor? EMW did do that motor.
and they do use orange RTV.
1211 is so much better though.
I've tried it.
BTW it's still a silicone based product.... otherwise known as RTV
http://www.threebond.com.au/liquid-gaskets.html
Elring Dirko is also RTV based
http://www.amazon.com/Elring-Dirko-Silicone-Gasket-Compound/dp/B00W97UPJI
Posted by: 396 May 4 2016, 01:58 PM
I use Three Bond between the cam towers...as suggested by Dick Elverude in Portland.
Posted by: Mark Henry May 4 2016, 02:02 PM
I use Three Bond between the cam towers...as suggested by Dick Elverude in Portland.
I think that would be 1104 NEO, Some call it Yamabond, I use it as well.
Posted by: sixnotfour May 4 2016, 03:36 PM
Posted by: sixnotfour May 4 2016, 03:38 PM
If you paid nickies coin for that you have been hosed.
I'd be just a tad pissy about it.
Yes , about a $3000 difference plus machining costs..
Dirko because its German
Posted by: Hans Jan May 4 2016, 05:24 PM
Earlier this week there was some confusion about the size of the AA cylinders on my car. People at AA explained how to measure this from the outside. Conclusion is that they are indeed 103mm cylinders. H
Posted by: r_towle May 4 2016, 05:53 PM
Cool for that I guess.
I have used 103 cast cylinders more than a few times....they work.
I found that at about 10-15k miles you need to redo the rings.
Also, you need to manage heat really well.
Posted by: 2mAn May 4 2016, 05:55 PM
saw the engine fire picture and have been skeptical when I see his ads on CL.
about the AA stuff. best to just avoid it? Whats a good place to get a nice overbore P&C setup that wont break the bank? I know you get what you pay for, but not everyone can afford/ or wants the best of the best. I also dont want chinese crap. Its all new to me
Posted by: RoadGlue May 4 2016, 05:56 PM
saw the engine fire picture and have been skeptical when I see his ads on CL.
about the AA stuff. best to just avoid it? Whats a good place to get a nice overbore P&C setup that wont break the bank? I know you get what you pay for, but not everyone can afford/ or wants the best of the best. I also dont want chinese crap. Its all new to me
AA P&C's are fine, but the rings suck.
Posted by: r_towle May 4 2016, 06:01 PM
saw the engine fire picture and have been skeptical when I see his ads on CL.
about the AA stuff. best to just avoid it? Whats a good place to get a nice overbore P&C setup that wont break the bank? I know you get what you pay for, but not everyone can afford/ or wants the best of the best. I also dont want chinese crap. Its all new to me
AA P&C's are fine, but the rings suck.
Yup
Posted by: 396 May 4 2016, 06:22 PM
saw the engine fire picture and have been skeptical when I see his ads on
I also dont want chinese crap. Its all new to me
I feel the same with some of the products being made out of this country. But under the current state of economics, most are made over seas. Unless you want to step up for an "USA" made ...but it might cost you three to four times more.
I'm not sure that might be in your expendable income.
Good luck with your search search.
Posted by: Hans Jan May 4 2016, 08:00 PM
Sorry, it appears that I have to recall the message about the cylinders being the correct size. Just recieved an email from AA rep, explaning that I measured in wrong place. At the moment I still dont know what Size they are.
This is the medsage recieved from AA. Could anyone here decypher it? Im trying to find the cylinder size without disassembling the engine/heads.
Hello Hans
You got that number form the top of the liners not the bottom right? It was the head size? And you want to try to get it in between the head and the liner it can’t be in between fins it’s a different reading there..
Yes it’s an AA liner but what pitons can be someone elses you will not know until its pulled apart..
Posted by: r_towle May 4 2016, 09:52 PM
If you look at some of the pictures in this thread, I believe what they are asking you to measure is the outer diameter of the liner/cylinder where it goes into the head.
That will be the honest outer diameter of the cylinder.
If you measure in between the cooling fins you will be measuring casting material which won't be consistent and won't be a number they could use.
Look at the pics in this thread....there is a 1/4 in tall exposed area on the top of the cylinder that fits into the head. The cylinders don't sit down tight in the heads, so you should be able to get a tool in between the top fin and the head.
Posted by: PotterPorsche May 4 2016, 09:59 PM
I remember this car was for sale for 9k 2 years ago. Then I think the engine blew up and it showed up 6 months later for 11k . The seller is a joke.
Posted by: ConeDodger May 4 2016, 10:09 PM
Nickies or not and those are not, you don't want 103mm cylinders. Very few can build that engine without making more heat than power.
Posted by: Mark Henry May 5 2016, 05:04 AM
Pop a head off and measure, there are no head gaskets on a 103, being AA I would doubt head gaskets anyways. At worse you will need new pushrod seals. $1 ea so $16 full set both sides. From what you are being told you should install new rings, about $80 from EMW.
If they are 103mm, the heads and case are machined, so you can't go back to smaller pistons.
A EMW NiCaSil set with JE pistons will run you $1300, I've never seen them so I can't comment on quality. LN Nickies are the best, but they are also $3400 plus the ARP head studs. So re-ringing what you have and understanding that this engine has a limited lifespan may be you best solution in the short term.
If you can't afford the nickies then I suggest putting this engine back together and start looking for a new project engine.
Or put this engine together and start saving for nickies. But I'd want to know what heads, condition of the long block, etc. before I when this route.
In the interim you can often find a 1.7/1.8 running engine for cheap.
Posted by: mepstein May 5 2016, 05:35 AM
Go back to the original posters 1st post, second paragraph.
"The car caught on fire"
I would think this issue needs to be made right and the buyer needs to be made whole before he starts on a new project engine.
Posted by: 396 May 5 2016, 08:43 AM
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