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Posted by: SGB Mar 31 2005, 08:47 PM

Last weekend Iwent to Road Atlanta to watch Chris Foley run the Tangerine Racing 914 through the curves and hills. As you have probably read , luck was not with Chris, and his car suffered an unexpected and peculiar failure of the #1 plug.
It was a shame. They had high hopes. The motor sounded good when he left, and Jake said it was pulling 186 on his dyno. It as really puzzling the way that plug failed- like you had filed a groove in it. Of course the head may have failed first. Len said he had milled those mighty thin- and that there was an area at the top of the combustion chamber that has a very thin wall to the spark plug gally. It was totally cool hangin with those guys and talking to 'em on a first name basis. Hell, they ain't gods, just motorheads. Literally. Too many hours in air-cooled VW motors. They know 'em better than I know my own di... (well, you get the idea). JAke let me climb under his car, take pictures, ask questions, stick my fingers in there and push & pull stuff. It was great. Same with Chris. The cars themselves are sorta, y'know, 15 footers. But if you know what you are looking at, there is a pearl in that rough exterior. Both pursue revised cooling (why didn't Porshe do this?). The DTM cooled one in Jake's is especiallly sweet to look at. There is allkinds of space in there once the cooling fan /shroud are moved. I guess I need to see his 912....(wishfull thinking).

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Posted by: SGB Mar 31 2005, 08:54 PM

Here is another of Jake under Chris's car. Too bad we didn't have time for a beer.

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Posted by: TimT Mar 31 2005, 08:58 PM

Id have a 4 cam 3.8L flat 6

Posted by: Jake Raby Mar 31 2005, 10:45 PM

Too many cylinders...

Real 4 cams have bevel gears anyway!

It was good to meet you too at the track.. SGB.

My car has been a work in progress for 3 years. I finally have all the mechanical stuff finished except the Nitrous install and the addition of the EFI. Both of those will be added by the end of April and it'll be time for paint. Chris added my cage while he was here so I can do the interior as well.

I typically give cars hell so I won't make a show winner out of it. It'll still get driven alot and living on a dirt road has its drawbacks if you have a nice car anyway...

When I was under Chris' car I burnt the hell out of my arms... That oil was HOT! I was so worried that he had absolutely destroyed it that I started tearing everything off that I could to see.

Posted by: skline Mar 31 2005, 11:15 PM

I would still have a SBC Chevy no matter who I was.

Theres no replacement for displacement

Posted by: Mueller Mar 31 2005, 11:19 PM

QUOTE (skline @ Mar 31 2005, 10:15 PM)
Theres no replacement for displacement

sounds like that would make a good slogan for a penis enlargment pill

Posted by: Jake Raby Mar 31 2005, 11:19 PM

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Theres no replacement for displacement

Yep there is...

Weight reduction.

Posted by: redshift Mar 31 2005, 11:23 PM

lmao Mike...

Nice looking rig Jake!

M

Posted by: Aaron Cox Mar 31 2005, 11:23 PM

twin cam 3.0 /4??? or a fatty 3.8 /6......

or a flat 12 or flat 8

Posted by: Jake Raby Mar 31 2005, 11:27 PM

To Jake there is no other engine than the TIV......

I practice what I preach 100%

The only other engine that I'd even consider now is a 547 4 cam.....

Posted by: SirAndy Apr 1 2005, 12:50 AM

QUOTE
What engine would you have if you were JAKE RABY?

a 3.2L 911 six cylinder engine with fuel injection ...

hi jake
Andy

Posted by: kafermeister Apr 1 2005, 09:35 AM

I'd probably build myself a 3.0 Type IV. Then when it was done, I'd build a 3.2 Type IV. Then when it was done a Turbo Type IV.....and so on, and so on.

R

Posted by: i love porsche Apr 1 2005, 09:42 AM

i agree with jake, a 4 cam carrera engine would be SWEEET in a stripped down 914, but overall, a 2056 is fine, as close as stock displacement as possible

Posted by: fiid Apr 1 2005, 10:00 AM

QUOTE (skline @ Mar 31 2005, 09:15 PM)
I would still have a SBC Chevy no matter who I was.

Theres no replacement for displacement

There are lots of replacements for displacement.

as jake said - losing weight.

Also - turbos help a lot (hence how my 2.5L Subaru wagon can outrun a 5.8L Dodge Magnum (and get better fuel economy).

Chassis and suspension design help a lot as well - hence how I was able to chase down a Corvette at Sears point with a 1.7 914.

Posted by: Jake Raby Apr 1 2005, 11:11 AM

My ultimate engine has been getting work done to it for almost 4 years...

92 stroke (already have the crank)
111.5mm bore( Charles is making one off Nickies just for it with encapsulated studs and etc more like a 911 cylinder)

Thats absolutely as big as a TIV can get using a stock case... I have plotted it at 480 ponies N/A with my MassIVe heads but its all a dream until I can make it happen.

I expect it to take at least 5 more years to complete since I literally have to make every part.

Posted by: Mueller Apr 1 2005, 11:16 AM

Hey Fiid, here is a Subu motor for you:

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Posted by: Mueller Apr 1 2005, 11:18 AM

if I could have any engine, it would have to be something similar to a Ford Cosworth Indy/F1 engine

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Posted by: dinomium Apr 1 2005, 11:44 AM

anybody got a Shoe horn?

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Posted by: Jake Raby Apr 1 2005, 11:52 AM

Those babies aren't aircooled though......

If it ain't aircooled I won't own it!

Posted by: mattillac Apr 1 2005, 11:52 AM

QUOTE (dinomium @ Apr 1 2005, 09:44 AM)
anybody got a Shoe horn?

that's the engine i would want if i were me.

Posted by: Mueller Apr 1 2005, 12:32 PM

QUOTE (Jake Raby @ Apr 1 2005, 10:52 AM)
Those babies aren't aircooled though......

If it ain't aircooled I won't own it!

yea, I like lawn mower engines also

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Posted by: dinomium Apr 1 2005, 12:41 PM

Three point zinger for Mueller!

Posted by: Jake Raby Apr 1 2005, 12:56 PM

Hey! Briggs makes a bad boy!

The first performance engine I ever built was a Briggs 5 Horse with a Supercharger made from a Smog Pump from a 78 Chrysler!

It had a tendency to shatter connecting rods at idle though!

Bolted it on a snapper riding mower and gave it hell!

Posted by: kafermeister Apr 1 2005, 01:45 PM

The Briggs engine in my lawn mower is aircooled and horizontally opposed. Does that count?

Posted by: mattillac Apr 1 2005, 01:50 PM

QUOTE (Jake Raby @ Apr 1 2005, 10:56 AM)

The first performance engine I ever built was a Briggs 5 Horse with a Supercharger made from a Smog Pump from a 78 Chrysler!

dude, your a freak! thats a good idea!

Posted by: URY914 Apr 1 2005, 01:53 PM

QUOTE (Jake Raby @ Mar 31 2005, 09:19 PM)

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Theres no replacement for displacement

Yep there is...

Weight reduction.

A man after my own heart!!!!