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Posted by: Verruckt Apr 3 2005, 11:23 AM
What is it with people? Why is it that every other car on ebay, they are "selling it for a friend". Is this some magical statement that excuses them from any liability for lying their asses off about the car? Maybe I need to read the ebay disclaimer... 
/rant
Posted by: c12croft Apr 3 2005, 11:53 AM
[/B]How true is that!
It seems that selling for a friend, especially for these older, unregistered, non-titled cars, absolves the seller from answering the revealing questions.
Since most buyers in the 914 market are unlikely to be personally inspecting the cars, they must rely on the auction info.
Why shouldn't the seller make it easier for themselves, just simply play dumb!
OR, Maybe the reason that the owner is having a friend sell it is because they're too ashamed of their buckets to do it them selves.
NO SABE' AMIGO
Posted by: Verruckt Apr 3 2005, 12:22 PM
Oh absolutely. My favorite is the "it has no rust" statements. Then they send you the picture of the glass & bondo job on longs. Apparently if you cant "see" the rust, then there is none...
I'm on a savings plan. I think this summer I'm just going to get some connections together and fly out to California or the southwest this summer and find something. I'm so sick of the whole runaround while looking for a buildable teener.
Posted by: Joe Sharp Apr 3 2005, 02:48 PM
If you deside to come to So Cal just put up a post that you want to come and look for a car and you find that we will give you a lot of help.
Joe
Posted by: Verruckt Apr 3 2005, 05:52 PM
| QUOTE (Joe Sharp @ Apr 3 2005, 02:48 PM) |
| If you deside to come to So Cal just put up a post that you want to come and look for a car and you find that we will give you a lot of help. Joe |
Thats not a bad idea. I was thinking of renting a beater and making the rounds to a few things I have located ahead of time. Will definitely do that.
Posted by: Carlitos Way Apr 4 2005, 08:57 AM
Or you could have come to the WCC... probably will be a few for sale there.
Posted by: Root_Werks Apr 4 2005, 09:24 AM
I have an EvilBay one for you guys, this one reeeeeealy pissed me off:
I put up my steel AA GT flares on EvilBay for $875, reserve of $850. I WILL get another set and put them on. Something has come up and the wife and I need to pool funds together ASAP. Hence my six project is on hold even for the time being. ANYWAY, the same day I put it up, someone used the buy-it-now for $875. Cool, figured they would go fast.
EvilBay user ID +0+ that's "Zero" feedback. F$%*K, so I try to send an invoice, "No longer a registered user! 
What they hell is it with people?!?!
There is more, let me find the e-mail I recieved. Maybe you guys can help me decide what the hell is going on? I don't know if i should relist for another $13 or trust this guy? 
Posted by: Root_Werks Apr 4 2005, 09:26 AM
Here is the e-mail I recieved from the "Buyer". Scam?
Hello,
Thanks for your email in which you accepted the offer to sell your item to my client.I am particularly impressed by the prompt attention accorded the matter considering the need for us to conclude the deal in a timely manner. Towards concluding the entire deal and issuance of the cashier check OR money order so i will like to let you that the check which my client will be issued is going to contain three different payment
1,your item money.
2,shipping company that will come to pick your item from your door to his destination you should not need to worried the shipping company will come to pick up the item.
3,My commission as gent wich i will recieve through shipping company.
i think you understand this very well, when you recieve check, you will need to cashed it, then you will deducted your item money from the money, and you will wire the remaining money to the shipping companny through western union or money gram i will like to ask you if you accept all this, if yes get back to me with your full poster address and the name you want the check to be mail to, and i want your quickly respond if you have any question.
thank you.
regard..........
There is more, I sent him a reply to which he sent me this:
Posted by: Root_Werks Apr 4 2005, 09:29 AM
My response was something like:
"Okay, I will give this a try. Money must be in US funds blah blah etc." You get the point. He sent this back:
Hello,
how are you doing,but before your payment can be sent to you my client told me that i should ask you some question and this question must anwser bfore issued the check out .
1, can i trust you with money ?
2, can you get the chcek cashed when you recieve it?
3, after you have cashed the check and you deduct your money can you wire the remaining money to the shipping company address which will be attached with the check?
so all this question must be answer before the payment can be issue out, please i want your respond very urgent so that the check will be sent tomorrow monday.
thak you.
regard.....................
So what the hell is up with this guys? Help me out here, anybody seen anything like this before.
Oh, the Zero no longer registered buyer is fron Canada. So did he do this and hire a 3rd party to ship the flares to avoid taxes(duties)?
It sounds fishy, but he hasn't asked for anything more than an address to mail the check to. 
Posted by: KaptKaos Apr 4 2005, 09:35 AM
If he wants you to ship to Nigeria, run!! Run very fast!!
Posted by: GWN7 Apr 4 2005, 09:38 AM
There is no duty on auto parts made in the USA going to Canada.
Sounds like a scam. He could have been in Nigeria and said he was in Canada when he registered with Ebay.
Unless the cheque is from a real bank/credit union you could be SOL.....also your bank could charge you up to $50 for cashing the cheque (this is due to the difference in banking systems between Canada & the USA). Tell him to send a Canada Postal money order in US funds. You can cash it at any post office.
Where did he want you to ship them to?
Posted by: Root_Werks Apr 4 2005, 09:40 AM
| QUOTE (KaptKaos @ Apr 4 2005, 07:35 AM) |
| If he wants you to ship to Nigeria, run!! Run very fast!! |
I thought the same thing. Nah, not one of those (I don't think anway) since he is wanting to ship them to Canada.
Posted by: Root_Werks Apr 4 2005, 09:42 AM
| QUOTE (GWN7 @ Apr 4 2005, 07:38 AM) |
| There is no duty on auto parts made in the USA going to Canada. Sounds like a scam. He could have been in Nigeria and said he was in Canada when he registered with Ebay. Unless the cheque is from a real bank/credit union you could be SOL.....also your bank could charge you up to $50 for cashing the cheque (this is due to the difference in banking systems between Canada & the USA). Tell him to send a Canada Postal money order in US funds. You can cash it at any post office. |
Thanks Bruce, that is good advise. This whole thing makes me nervous. Maybe I should just bag it?
Posted by: stags14 Apr 4 2005, 09:46 AM
| QUOTE (Root_Werks @ Apr 4 2005, 10:29 AM) |
| So what the hell is up with this guys? Help me out here, anybody seen anything like this before. Oh, the Zero no longer registered buyer is fron Canada. So did he do this and hire a 3rd party to ship the flares to avoid taxes(duties)? It sounds fishy, but he hasn't asked for anything more than an address to mail the check to. |
RUN AWAY FROM THIS GUY!!!
FRAUD ALERT _ FRAUD ALERT!!!
Posted by: GWN7 Apr 4 2005, 09:49 AM
You could ask Ebay why he is no longer registered? If they deregistered him you might not have to pay the relisting fees (if you have to relist them).
Where did he want them shipped? PM me the info and I'll see what I can find out for you.
Posted by: Root_Werks Apr 4 2005, 10:01 AM
I sent him another reply, told him to bag it, zero feedback, no longer an active user on eBay not going through eBay.
Yeah, I should know better, just run.
Pisses me off that he basically canceled my auction and cost me $13.
Fuck this eBay/paypal stuff anymore. I think I have had it. I'll just keep and install the flares. $900 isn't that hard to come up with. I don't need the money that bad.
Posted by: Root_Werks Apr 4 2005, 10:04 AM
| QUOTE (GWN7 @ Apr 4 2005, 07:49 AM) |
| You could ask Ebay why he is no longer registered? If they deregistered him you might not have to pay the relisting fees (if you have to relist them). Where did he want them shipped? PM me the info and I'll see what I can find out for you. |
The eBay item # is:
7965811436
Feel free to poke around all you like. Courious to see if anyone can find out anything about it?
Posted by: GWN7 Apr 4 2005, 10:06 AM
I'd still ask ebay why his account is closed? They will expect you to pay them there commission unless they canceled his account. Why give Ebay $13 for nothing?
Posted by: Root_Werks Apr 4 2005, 10:15 AM
I just got another e-mail from the guy after saying "Bag it":
Hello,
i really understnd you but, i want you to know that the check will be issued out for you today, and i will like you to sell this item for my client, so i will like to hear from you
thank you,
regard.............
VERY broken English. This sounds SO wierd! 
Posted by: chilli Apr 4 2005, 10:26 AM
| QUOTE (Root_Werks @ Apr 4 2005, 07:26 AM) |
| Here is the e-mail I recieved from the "Buyer". Scam? <snip> Hello, Thanks for your email in which you accepted the offer to sell your item to my client.I am particularly impressed by the prompt attention accorded the matter considering the need for us to conclude the deal in a timely manner. Towards concluding the entire deal and issuance of the cashier check OR money order so i will like to let you that the check which my client will be issued is going to contain three different payment 1,your item money. 2,shipping company that will come to pick your item from your door to his destination you should not need to worried the shipping company will come to pick up the item. 3,My commission as gent wich i will recieve through shipping company. i think you understand this very well, when you recieve check, you will need to cashed it, then you will deducted your item money from the money, and you will wire the remaining money to the shipping companny through western union or money gram i will like to ask you if you accept all this, if yes get back to me with your full poster address and the name you want the check to be mail to, and i want your quickly respond if you have any question. thank you. regard.......... <snip> There is more, I sent him a reply to which he sent me this: |
Had one of these and told him that his money order or cashiers check had to be received by three days and car would not be released until the money order or check cleared the bank.
The ones I like are the ones that ask you to send them back the difference on the over pay because of the funds oeed by buyer shipper etc.
I got one on a very good looking amerx money order -- once I called amex they said was not their's and then I sent an email back to the buyer reguesing a valid money --- no more contact. Our local police department liked what I sent them.
The latest scam is getting an email with bank logos etc. asking for account update information. I will sometimes fill them out with all kinds of CRAP like the name of F---- O--
etc.
mike
Posted by: chilli Apr 4 2005, 10:33 AM
| QUOTE (Root_Werks @ Apr 4 2005, 08:01 AM) |
| I sent him another reply, told him to bag it, zero feedback, no longer an active user on eBay not going through eBay. Yeah, I should know better, just run. Pisses me off that he basically canceled my auction and cost me $13. Fuck this eBay/paypal stuff anymore. I think I have had it. I'll just keep and install the flares. $900 isn't that hard to come up with. I don't need the money that bad. |
Question, how did the buyer cancel your item.?? As a seller I do not accept bids from anyone with zero or -1 negative feedback. You can some of the fees back through ebay non pay forms process. Takes awhile.
mike
Posted by: SLITS Apr 4 2005, 10:49 AM
Next time...put the price you're willing to accept and forget the "reserve". This will keep the scammers from defrauding you...but is still no guarantee that you will get paid.
Posted by: KaptKaos Apr 4 2005, 11:02 AM
Be careful. This could be a part of some ID theft too. Don't use your home address for stuff like this.
Posted by: Root_Werks Apr 4 2005, 11:11 AM
| QUOTE (chilli @ Apr 4 2005, 08:33 AM) | ||
Question, how did the buyer cancel your item.?? As a seller I do not accept bids from anyone with zero or -1 negative feedback. You can some of the fees back through ebay non pay forms process. Takes awhile. mike |
I sent a reply stating it would have to be a Canada Postal Money order in US funds. No repsonse yet. After reading what some of you have posted, it is becoming obviuos this is a scam.
I bet I would get a check for $1100 or so and cash it against my bank (Or at least this guy is hoping anyway), Wire him the diff from the $875 and then the bank charges back my account the $1100 for a bad check.
I just remembered a buddy of mine that went through this on a set of $1000 fuchs he sold. One guy sent him a check that he couldn't cash. I have bagged this sale at this point, just keeping the flares.
There are a lot of scammers out there for sure.
Posted by: Cap'n Krusty Apr 4 2005, 11:49 AM
I can't believe you're even having this discussion! Google "419 scam". Maybe look on some of the other hoax oriented sites, too. This version of the Nigerian scam is so well known it has appeared in nearly every local paper in the US (and, I'm sure, most first and second world countries) and every TV "consumer help" guy in the world has gone over this numerous times. It has been on talk shows, every list I'm on on the net, and other places too numerous to mention. Where the he*l have you guys been? IF IT SEEMS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT IS! Ebay warns users NOT to use Western Union and other instant transfer services to protect them, not to steer them to Paypal!
Posted by: Root_Werks Apr 4 2005, 11:55 AM
The E-mails reminded me of the 419 Scam thing. I get an e-mail at work from time to time. But figured maybe since this guy was from Canada (So it said) maybe he was just trying to get buy not paying something? Some sort of tax or duty or something? Either way, I never trusted it, not doing it. Thanks everyone for filling me in some things. eBay cannot control things like this. this guy was a registered eBay user for what, the 5 minutes it took him to "buy-it-now" my item.
Whatever I guess.
Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 4 2005, 12:08 PM
what's with ebay bagging you for $13? is this part of the new fee structuring? at that rate people are going to be adding the ebay fee to their auctions. i would feel 100x more confident buying a car from the classifieds here. as for the "selling for a friend", that reads they got the car for a song from a friend and are flipping it, or the seller doesn't have the ability to setup an ebay account.
k
Posted by: Root_Werks Apr 4 2005, 12:15 PM
| QUOTE (rhodyguy @ Apr 4 2005, 10:08 AM) |
| what's with ebay bagging you for $13? is this part of the new fee structuring? at that rate people are going to be adding the ebay fee to their auctions. i would feel 100x more confident buying a car from the classifieds here. as for the "selling for a friend", that reads they got the car for a song from a friend and are flipping it, or the seller doesn't have the ability to setup an ebay account. k |
Putting a "buy-it-now" option added like $8.75 to my listing cost. Total was around $12 and some change to list it. I am going to e-mail eBay and let them know what happened. Maybe they will cancel the fees. I won't relist with them though. Too many opportunities for things like this to happen. I don't need it or want it anymore. I have been a buyer/seller for 6 years and only done like 30 transactions if even that. NOT a big eBay fan. Just not my speed.
Posted by: KaptKaos Apr 4 2005, 12:19 PM
Try www.craiglist.org - it's free.
Posted by: Root_Werks Apr 4 2005, 12:28 PM
I filled out the eBay dispute thing, said the user was no longer active. It came back and said the listing fee would be reversed. Sort of nice to see something pretty straight forward like that actually works like you think it should. 
Posted by: Toast Apr 4 2005, 12:30 PM
I thought that this was suppose to be YOUR sale and YOUR payment terms.
I would RUN TO THE HILLS!!!
If he cant send you they payment all in one check, and then arrange, or have you arrange, for the transportation, then I would not do the transaction.
When you do get the check, CALL THE NUMBER ON THE CHECK AND VERIFY FUNDS BEFORE YOU PUT IT IN THE BANK!!!
I have been throught this before. Except I DID NOT check with the bank # on the check before I deposited it. I checked after I deposited it, and found it was a FRAUD check.
My bank put many holds on my account until it got to the point that I couldn't even make a deposit or cash withdrawl!!! I ended up having to Cancle my bank acount and move to a different bank because the would not allow me to open another account. 
Soooo....BE CAREFUL!!
Posted by: Toast Apr 4 2005, 12:37 PM
OK, I'm slow.......... 
I didn't see that ebay resolved if for you already.
Congrats. 
Good luck on your next sale.
Posted by: msglaigaie Apr 4 2005, 03:35 PM
I just participated in one of those "shill" exercises. I wanted a nice little harness for my batmobile and went ahead and started bidding. I zipped into play and it looked like I was going to get a nice low price. The hour was late, the bid was low, looking good. BAM. A high dollor bidder comes in. I checked his history and "what a cow-incy-dince" He and the seller had been "buyer & seller" together before. Seems as though when the bids went low they made highball bids to each other. Now this just irrittated the hell out of me. I'll go ahead and get another harness but I wish they had been a little closer to Bellingham WA last night. The bastiges, the corksoakers, the fargin iceholes. Ship, I'm on heavy medication, AND IT'S WEARIN OFF!!!
MSG L
Posted by: chilli Apr 4 2005, 09:14 PM
quote "Where the he*l have you guys been? IF IT SEEMS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT IS! Ebay warns users NOT to use Western Union and other instant transfer services to protect them, not to steer them to Paypal!"
I know about this stuff. I was explaining how i played with one of these jerks. Was fun for awhile.
mike
Posted by: chilli Apr 4 2005, 09:17 PM
| QUOTE (KaptKaos @ Apr 4 2005, 10:19 AM) |
| Try www.craiglist.org - it's free. |
That's were my jerk came from was craiglist. Told him check had to be here in three days and would keep item advertised as well. More flakes on craig list you do not have anything at all to go on. Also be sure if you take $100 bills you can spot a counterfeit.
mike
Posted by: Bazza Apr 4 2005, 09:45 PM
Coming in a little late but as an ebayer with over 600 transactions and all positive feedback I earned as seller and buyer I concur that this was a SCAM bigtime. Good thing you walked, Dan.
My thoughts on selling-
Definately have a clause on big ticket items regarding conditions applying for bidders with low or negative feedback.
Use a reserve only if selling a vehicle and make it higher than you want to sell the car for. When the auction ends if reserve is met you get big bucks and if not you can contact any of the top bidders who have decent feedback and/or you feel comfortable with in communications before the auction ended to finialize the deal.
When selling parts use a starting bid at the minimum you'd want for that part. That way if you get only one bid you're happy. No need for a reserve and the extra fee eBay charges for one. Also, I've noticed more buyers bid if there's no reserve.
I also tend to take a lot of photos and make sure the item looks as good as possible. Fuzzy or bad lighting pics will not yield results as well as could be obtained. Your ad copy is directly related to your final selling price.
One last thought - I recently adopted the stipulation that all bidders outside the US use Paypal only to remit payment to me. It's not that I've had a big problem with foreign buyers but for example earlier this year a bloke in Italy sent me Euros by snail mail and I still have them uncoverted to US dollars. Over $100.00 worth!
Anyway, sorry to blabber on - the above is my opinions only YMMV and no hard feelings if they do 
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