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914World.com _ 914World Garage _ Reground Cams???

Posted by: Mueller Jun 19 2003, 07:30 PM

Is this even worth it?

I'd still have to buy new lifters correct?

Posted by: StratPlayer Jun 20 2003, 10:39 AM

No answers??? I'm also interested in the answer to
Muellers question.

Posted by: MJHanna Jun 20 2003, 11:17 AM

On a 914 4-cylinder engine I don’t think its worth the cost. New ones are too cheap, and yes, you would need new lifters if your going to do it “right”.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jun 20 2003, 12:02 PM

Who has "NEW" cams ??

I thought 99% of them where regrinds that are welded up.

B

Posted by: Qarl Jun 20 2003, 12:04 PM

Elgin Cams offers to regrind cams or make new cams from blanks. I'm told that the blanks are new castings, but tend to be more brittle than the older cams.

No problems with welded/reground cams as far as I've been told.

Regards,

Posted by: Bleyseng Jun 20 2003, 12:10 PM

Hmm, thats what I thought. You regrind the cam to spec and new lifters. Althought the early 1.7 bus cams are soft so you don't want to reuse those.

Geoff

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jun 20 2003, 12:13 PM

Karl,

I'm almost 100% sure that Elgin is referring to 911 cams (which Crane makes new ones for Elgin and Woods). Woods worked hand in hand with Crane to develop the GE series cams for Woods. This is why you see CRANE advertising in Pano selliing 911 cams now.

Could be that Elgin is getting new fillets for the type4's.

B

Posted by: seanery Jun 20 2003, 12:14 PM

don't you mean, don't ever use them on your 2.0 with Euro Pistons?

Posted by: Qarl Jun 20 2003, 12:16 PM

B:

My bad... you're right. I'm thinking -6 cams at Elgin, 4s..

But don't places like Webcam offer new cams?

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jun 20 2003, 12:18 PM

Umm yeah.. never use a stock VW bus 1.7 carb cam on a carbed Euro piston'd 2.0 with 914 2.0 heads. You end up with a gutless pig that idles nice..LOL

B

Posted by: Jeff Krieger Jun 20 2003, 12:22 PM

This is what it says on Pelican's site:

Original camshafts can be reground to work in rebuilt motors, however, they will never perform as well as a new one. This is because there is no way to replace the worn material on the cam lobes. While performing a full rebuild, you should replace both the camshaft and the lifters. If you regrind your old camshaft, make sure that you regrind the lifters as well. Original camshafts are sold with different size cam gears. These gears are matched to the characteristics of the engine case. Check the backlash on the crank/cam gear combination, or simply replace the gear with one of the same size of the one that came out of the case. The size of the cam gear is stamped on the gear. If there is no stamp there, the gear is most likely a -0- gear.

http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopcart/9144/POR_9144_engine_pg1.htm#item8 .

Posted by: URY914 Jun 20 2003, 12:23 PM

When I lived in Ft. Lauderdale, would take my welding needs to this local welder/fabrictor. He was a wiz at tig welding and was FAA certified. He had a contract with Crane Cams to weld hardfacing on old cams. He had a guy working all day long tig welding cams. He told me Crane had dozens of shops around the southeast doing this. So Crane Cams are not made from new billets.

Paul

Posted by: cgnj Jun 20 2003, 12:26 PM

So, I just checked the site. They don't state if the cams are ground on new blanks. I'm curious now, I sent an email and asked. Maybe I shouldn't have tossed those 2 cams.

Carlos

Posted by: cgnj Jun 20 2003, 12:30 PM

I'm stupid. copied from the policies page

New Cam: All part numbers listed under "New Cam" refer to the specifications precision ground onto a new cast camshaft. All grinds are carefully checked, and double heat treated for long life. No exchange is necessary, as this is an outright purchase. These are the finest camshafts available.

Nevermind

Carlos

Posted by: StratPlayer Jun 20 2003, 02:11 PM

Ahhh thanks all for the input,,, I'm about ready to put in new cam an lifters, just had the motor rebuilt not to long ago and the rebuilder put the Hyd. stuff in there,, cam and lifter, push rods. I'm not happy with this set up so its going in to have new cam and lifters, etc,,, back to the solid lifters, 2.0 D-Jet. That's why I was so interested in this post.

Posted by: Brad Roberts Jun 20 2003, 02:48 PM

Crane makes new 911 camshafts. They weld and regrind all of the domestic stuff except the new style roller cams (which they make new)

The Pelican "quote" is a joke. Wayne put stuff in the website 6 years ago.. that he is now just truely learning about. Hard welding like URY describes has been going on since the 40's+50's.

B

Posted by: Mueller Jun 20 2003, 03:46 PM

I had planned on talking to Rich at HPH once I got back, I know he has used Elgin in the past, I just don't know if it'll make much a difference to go with a "custom" grind for my turbo/4 or one that Web Cam sells for turbos.