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Posted by: Mueller Apr 6 2005, 04:15 PM
local prices here are averaging 2.43 to 2.63 for regular.....I'm hoping the Pilot/Loves gas stations are much cheaper in a week and a half 
I'm guessing I'll be lucky to get 15mpg in my truck if I tow the 914.....close to 900 miles round trip......ouch....
Posted by: Andyrew Apr 6 2005, 04:18 PM
Ouch...
True man....
Can we hook up two 914's, trailer behind trailer and cut down on cost??? lol
Posted by: SGB Apr 6 2005, 04:28 PM
Don't count on it. ever.....
Posted by: Toast Apr 6 2005, 04:47 PM
My local gas staion is $2.59!!! 
And that station is 5 miles from the freeway. 
Sorry about your travel cost. That is going to hurt. 
Posted by: Mueller Apr 6 2005, 04:49 PM
| QUOTE (Sammy @ Apr 6 2005, 03:46 PM) |
| Lessee, 900 divided by 15 = 60 gallons. 60 times $2.50 a gallon is $150. If gas was back at $2 a gallon that would be $120. That means that because gas prices are so high you will have to pay and extra $15 each way! I dunno about you but that's a deal breaker. Geez, $30 is a lot of money to a CSOB  |
$30 goes a long way for road-trip food.....mmmmmm, twinkies and fourbucks coffee to keep awake
Posted by: teenrookie Apr 6 2005, 04:52 PM
It's $2.65 in OC right now 
Talked to a friend that owns a gas station and he's been told that it is going to keep going up through summer. Supposedly $3.00 a gallon is in our future.
I guess that isn't bad considering you pay $1.50 for a 16 oz bottle of water, that is like $12.80 a gallon. 
Posted by: Britain Smith Apr 6 2005, 06:06 PM
| QUOTE (teenrookie @ Apr 6 2005, 03:52 PM) |
| It's $2.65 in OC right now Talked to a friend that owns a gas station and he's been told that it is going to keep going up through summer. Supposedly $3.00 a gallon is in our future. I guess that isn't bad considering you pay $1.50 for a 16 oz bottle of water, that is like $12.80 a gallon. |
I don't care who you are...that's funny right there!
-Britain
Posted by: Howard Apr 6 2005, 06:10 PM
Then there's those $5 beers at Hooters...
At least ya get screwed when ya get gas 
Posted by: carreraguy Apr 6 2005, 06:29 PM
Filled up the thirsty VW (my fault) yesterday in South San Jose - $2.89/gallon. I thought that was bad until I looked across the street - it was $2.99! Thank God the teener is only a 2.0 four banger!
Posted by: jkeyzer Apr 6 2005, 06:38 PM
| QUOTE (Mueller @ Apr 6 2005, 02:49 PM) |
| mmmmmm, twinkies and fourbucks coffee to keep awake |
Haha, Fourbucks, that made me laugh.
Posted by: morphenspectra Apr 6 2005, 07:07 PM
I saw $2.50 a gallon here today, this summer is going to suck. 
That is the highest that I have ever seen it.
HIEDI
Posted by: scott thacher Apr 6 2005, 07:07 PM
i dont want to hear about gas prices
me 6000 miles round trip
milage should be at least 25 mpg
so 6000/25= 240 gallons
then at 3 per gallon ( worst case ) 720 bucks for gas
but i think it will get closer to 30 mpg
so who is going to let teri and i crash in there hotel room. gas alone is winding up at almost half the budget
Posted by: bernbomb914 Apr 6 2005, 07:25 PM
just paid 2.21 @ costco in Kitsap WA. Cheapest on west coast
Bernie
Posted by: bd1308 Apr 6 2005, 07:32 PM
i pay 4.00 a gallon...but thats for ol' backwoods KY fuel.....good ol' moonshine..whenever you get thirsty, you just pull over and take off the tube to the fuel reg. and let yer fuel pump rip.....
Posted by: SpecialK Apr 6 2005, 09:16 PM
I hear ya....this $1.51 a gallon crap is ridiculous!! 
Posted by: bd1308 Apr 6 2005, 10:18 PM
does anybody know WHY it is so high....i mean we didnt start using like 50% more gas and the A-rabs didnt hibernate...so whats going on
Posted by: trekkor Apr 6 2005, 10:23 PM
It cost me $92 to fill my tank the other day.
Diesel is $2.59.
KT
Posted by: SGB Apr 6 2005, 10:25 PM
Mostly driven by per barrel price o' crude. Sources tell me $100/ barrel is coming, and won't be going away.
Posted by: bd1308 Apr 6 2005, 10:28 PM
well is it just them gettign greedy or is crude starting to get real rare
Posted by: Demick Apr 6 2005, 10:55 PM
Let's everybody watch some NASCAR racing this weekend so we can learn how to draft. All 20 or so of us caravaning down to WCC should be able to get a pretty good draft going. Save some fuel. We can pretend like were bike racing and rotate around who leads. Ha Ha.
Demick
Posted by: Andyrew Apr 6 2005, 11:11 PM
OOhh I got an idea!! Lets all rent one of those trucks that haul the new cars to car lots!!!
10 914's... one bill!
Im kidding...
Posted by: scott thacher Apr 6 2005, 11:42 PM
| QUOTE (Sammy @ Apr 6 2005, 09:32 PM) |
| VLO is up 380% over the last 5 years, sunoco is up a bunch, and TSO is up almost 800% since I got in. |
that alone tells me they are gouging, if they are making that kind of money the are marking the gas up by that much
look at it this way if they make 5 cents a gallon and they sell 50 % more then there profits only should go up 50 %. so if they are worth 500 % of what they were they have to be charging 25 cents per gallon. now to make matters worse if they are running at 100 % of production they will make more per gallon than having the equipment only working at 70 %
Posted by: bondo Apr 6 2005, 11:58 PM
Here's an idea.. flat tow the 914, in 4th gear, ignition on. Put a brick on the gas pedal.. when you get up to cruising speed, put the truck in neutral and enjoy the gas savings! 
Posted by: Walter Apr 7 2005, 04:21 AM
I really don't understand whats all the fuss about supposedly high gas prices...
In my country, gas is about € 1,30 per liter, thats about € 5,72 per gallon and that about $ 7,45 dollar per gallon and rising because of the high oil per barrel price!
Only good fortune is that the distances are less over here
Best regards,
Walter
Posted by: akellym Apr 7 2005, 05:33 AM
So what the price of diesel out there in CA? I'm paying 2.40 now. I have to 3951 miles round trip, pulling my trailer I only get 11mpg!
Posted by: bd1308 Apr 7 2005, 05:41 AM
| QUOTE (Sammy @ Apr 6 2005, 11:24 PM) |
| They said, hay howz about we make a special "california gas" that no one else can make. That way it will be real clean. |
same thing in Louisville, reformulated stuff....i don't get it...but if gas is 2.00 here, its 2.20 in Louisville....I always fuel up in BowlingGreen if i can......too bad my parts 914 wasn't driven...tank has real bad brown gas...so i'm not usin it....was gonna put it in my bro's jeep
Posted by: teenrookie Apr 7 2005, 05:52 AM
| QUOTE (akellym @ Apr 7 2005, 03:33 AM) |
| So what the price of diesel out there in CA? I'm paying 2.40 now. I have to 3951 miles round trip, pulling my trailer I only get 11mpg! |
Diesel goes for roughly the same as regular unleaded, so about $2.50 to $2.65.
I am sure the truck stops will save you .10 to .20.
Posted by: bd1308 Apr 7 2005, 06:05 AM
i keep on telling my parents...dang i remember gas when it eas like 99 cents.....it used to be real cheap to mow yards back then....now i'm wondering how to put my bosch d-jet fi on it to get more MPG...
Posted by: mudfoot76 Apr 7 2005, 07:49 AM
| QUOTE (bd1308 @ Apr 6 2005, 11:28 PM) |
| well is it just them gettign greedy or is crude starting to get real rare |
Greed is a component.
Demand is at an all-time high, and realize that the current price/bbl is for stuff that will be delivered in June or July. There is a 3-4 month turnaround time from when crude is taken from the ground to when you put gasoline in your tank. The speculators are in a frenzy with what they expect the market will be paying for gas during summer, so prices keep going up now. The current instability in the Middle East only makes things worse.
Someone with a better background in economics can give a better explanation, I'm sure...
Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 7 2005, 08:27 AM
if 
you believe the experts the sky high prices are due to speculation. projected demand, domesticly, is lower actually for this driving season. cheaper to fly. a few well timed refinery shut downs, the "expectation" of millions of cars in china and the rapid growth there doesn't help any. the rooms costs while rolling to camarillo, and rooms in general send me into shock.
k
Posted by: i love porsche Apr 7 2005, 08:29 AM
holy crap..and i thought it was getting bad here!
at my station, its 2.03 for regular..and i think 2.23 for super.....i feel bad for you guys
Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 7 2005, 08:40 AM
i watched a piece on the news about gasoline. pipelines. it's all the same shit except for the "blending" that happens at the end. of course, these high prices demonstrate the need for new oil exploration in the alaska national wildlife refuge, that might start flowing in our lifetimes. gotta keep those gm cars in china rolling.
k
Posted by: fiid Apr 7 2005, 10:39 AM
Nothing to do with the post above, but the rising prices and FUD in the press about oil has got me thinking about doing a Natural Gas or electric conversion. Has anyone else considered going CNG? I would think with a turbo we ought to be able to get a decent power output...
I'm starting to think about range with an electric too.... Otmar?
Posted by: bd1308 Apr 7 2005, 11:07 AM
yeah but isnt natural gas/LP more expensive than gasoline anyway? If there are people on board to help, hell i'll turn my 2.0 into a natural gas engine.....that would be super cool. gotta ditch the FI though
Posted by: redshift Apr 7 2005, 11:20 AM
Terrorism works. Bin Laden screwed us.. says that every dollar he spends, costs us a million.
I just paid $2.59 a gallon, that's $38.00 to fill up.. unreal.
I'd cuss right here, but I am in the process of just rolling over, and letting it all go by.
Alternative fuels are not an issue, ain't gonna happen.. LP is a by product of oil production, and they burn mostly oil to make electricity, and to make one unit of hydrogen energy, costs 1.6 units of... OIL energy, conservatively.
There is no magic fountain, and it's too late to NOT have years of pain, even if we opened Anwar, and built 20 new refining facilities. Thanks, forward looking polititians, one and all, and to your thoughtless constituents!
If you have any money to spend on investing, and you should, since I told you to short Sears () put it in oil related stocks... production.. not the major refiners, and gold.
Gold is like gold, it seems insane, but serious... even at this inflated level.. I am not a perch kind of investor, but you have to ebb with the tide.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled broadcast..
M
Posted by: uzzaw Apr 7 2005, 11:21 AM
Want to find the cheapest gas in your area, then try this link:
http://www.gasbuddy.com/
It might help some of you plan your trips by hitting the gas stations with the lowest price. I know that not all gas is the same because of the addiatives that some of them use, but this would help find the cheapest gas that you prefer.
Rob
Posted by: mike_the_man Apr 7 2005, 11:38 AM
I'm looking forward to the lower gas prices when we get down to the U.S. Right now, I'm paying about 1.04/Liter for premium. To fill up my Audi, it costs around $85! According to my calculations, you're paying about .66/Liter. Thats pretty sweet! I guess the price is all relative.
My buddy's brother built the GasBuddy website when he was in university. It's really taken off for him. Sounds like he's doing very well charging for advertising on it.
Posted by: Toast Apr 7 2005, 12:02 PM
| QUOTE (Sammy @ Apr 7 2005, 09:29 AM) |
| Gouging? No offense, but that is a term used by the uninformed. If I put a 914 part on e-bay, I want to get as much as possible for it, right? Say it's worth $10, but the bidders get carried away and the final bit is $20. Assuming i representyed the part correctly and did nothing to mislead the bidders, If i accept that bid and sell it for $20 am i gouging? According to your logic (for lack of a more politically correct term) I should tell the highest bidder that the item is only worth $10 and I cannot accept anything higher than $10.50. Maybe there should be a law that says it is illegal to sell parts for more than they are perceived to be worth. Maybe it should be illegal to sell something to the highest bidder. That only happens in economic systems run, controlled, or regulated by the government. It didn't work in the soviet union, it won't work here. Free market economics tell us that the price is set by the market. Here's a news flash, the oil companies, suppliers, and speculators will try to get a $zillion for every gallon and that is not wrong! That is what they are supposed to do. The consumer will always try to get a gallon for free. Again, that is the way it is supposed to be. Somewhere in the middle will be the actual selling price. The seller is motivated to sell. the buyer is motivated to buy. The price is determined by those motivations. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOUGING IN A MARKET LIKE THIS unless one party or the other artificially skews the supply or demand (see tree hugger regulations in previous post). If a refinery runs at 70% of capacity, it will run efficienty and run for extended periods between breakdowns. If it is run at maximum capacity for extended periods it will experience accelerated wear and deteriorated reliability. I know that to be fact from 24 years of personal experience. My job was to keep the refinery running and maximize the reliability of all the rotating equipment. My biggest enemy was running full throttle all the time, trying to squeaze just one more barrel through the units. I hated that because all the tracking I did confirmed that they refinery would actually run much better and longer at lower rates and unless the crack spread was outrageous the refinery would be more profitable in the long run at those lower rates. For example: a full refinery-wide shutdown will take at least 4 weeks, often much longer. the cost of maintenance during that period wil range from $20 million to $70 million. Upgrades or modifications for compliance will add to that number dramatically. Of course during that one to two months there will be no production so that lost revenue cost is staggering to a business that survives on pure volume. Much of the overhead expenses still occur during that period also. my point? if they run at 80% instead of a targetted 100% (which they can never achieve for sustained periods because of unexpected reliability problems) they would be able to extend the time between shutdowns by up to 25% and those shutdowns would be less costly which would more than make up for the lower production levels. Unfortunately that is no longer an option because there is no excess refining capacity in California anymore. They have to run at full throttle as much as possible or they would probably get thrown in jail. Imagine if you drive your 914 at 60 mph on the freeway for a long time. You will get decent mileage (efficiency) and you will probably not hurt the mechanical components, and you won't have to take it apart to fix it as often. Now you take that same car and run it at full throttle at top speed for as long as possible. Sure you'd get somewhere faster for a while, but how long will it last? Same thing goes for a refinery. heaters, pumps, compressors, exchangers, piping, catalyst, it all wears out and must be repaired or replaced periodically. the harder they push it the faster it wears out. Did you know that they have to schedule extended shutdowns for this maintenance way ahead of time and report it to the government officials? They try and go 4 to 5 years between these shutdowns on major units but that isn't always possible. that number used to be 3 years, they are pushing harder now and using up more of their safety factor. Sometimes they just don't last that long. If you lived next to a refinery, would you like it if they pushed it as hard as pssible for as long as possible knowing that the risk of explosion or release is exponential to these factors? They are also mandated to perform these shutdowns during the winter which of course is common sense anyway because that is when demand is usually at the lowest level. Problems occur if too many refineries are scheduled to be down at the same time, again because there just isn't enough reserves any more to carry the market past the dip in production. If a refinery has to shut down or reduce production due to unscheduled maintenance they have to file all kinds of reports and explanations, and various government departments and officials are like flies on shit, investigating to make sure the shutdown is legitimate. Guess what? they always are. There is no such thing as an uneccesary shutdown in the US to manipulate a market. It just doesn't happen except in the twisted minds of conspiracy theorists. Every year we hear about some policical publicity whore trying to get re-elected by getting the voters fired up. One favorite tactic is to claim that the oil companies are gouging and the dishonest or just plain stupid politician calls for a congressional hearing and investigation. I've been called to Sacramento to be grilled and accused before. Total BS is what it was. Everybody pointing fingers and ignoring reality just so they can get some votes. Sickening. Every time they have one of these hearings they find no wrong doing. They quietly drop the issue until the next election is getting close and then drag it all up again just for some headlines. The three worst offenders I know of are Burke, Villaragoza, and Feinstein. IMO they will say or do absolutely anything if they think it will help their careers and if they think they can get away with it. Scandal whores, all of em (IMO). BTW the previous poster hit the nail on the head: China. instead of being a smal time producer they are quicky becoming a big time consumer of oil. that is a major factor in the price of crude oil today. Now that post deserves it's place in the rant Hall of Fame |
Go Off Sammy!
Posted by: Toast Apr 7 2005, 12:03 PM
$2.71 today.
Guess I shouldn't complain, I could be in the Neterlands.
Posted by: Rhodes71/914 Apr 7 2005, 12:03 PM
I'm really looking forward to filling up the Uhaul in the Yukon at over $1.00 a litre and 7mpg. Oh well it's only money. At least I'll be up in Alaska to try and cash in on the mini-boom that will come when the open ANRW.
So I've heard that gas prices could get close to $4 a gallon by the end of the year. They tell us this so that when the price settles around $3 we feel like that's a good price.
Regardless we in the US have had it to good for so long that it's just gonna hurt a little at first but if you want to drive you'll deal with it.
I remember in high school they used to tell us that the worlds oil reserves would be depleted by 2035. Should be interesting when it does actually happen.
Posted by: bd1308 Apr 7 2005, 12:11 PM
the high school teachers also said tugsten (wolfram) will be depleated by 2050something.....
Posted by: FlatSix Apr 7 2005, 12:12 PM
83.9 pence per litre here in the UK.
You do the maths, I'm on a train!
Posted by: 914fire Apr 7 2005, 12:17 PM
gas has jumped .25 cents here in the last week.
Posted by: J P Stein Apr 7 2005, 01:57 PM
The benchmark for oil is Saudi "sweet light crude"...last I looked it was 55ish bucks a barrel. Not all crude is priced at 55 bucks, others are at around 20-25 bucks. The refineries that can refine the cheep stuff are making money hand over fist as their gas is just as good as the rest.....that is capitalism, dudes. "Make hay while the sun shines" is hardly a new or radical concept.
IMO, the gas prices you're seeing now are as low as you'll ever see in the future......so buy now!
Posted by: Steve Thacker Apr 7 2005, 02:24 PM
The ANRW deal will be just like the Boron pipeline promise back in real early 70's. We the tax payers will fund the deal "yet again" to have it developed and they will take the fuel and sell it overseas for a premium price. Little of the oil will end up here to lower prices. Mark my word......
Posted by: ArtechnikA Apr 7 2005, 02:55 PM
picture today showing $3.17/gal for premium ($2.97 regular) at a South Lake Tahoe Chevron.
SLT is not a fun place to get gasoline to so i'm sure transportation costs are high; the highest gas on US 395 (in my range of travels) was Lee Vining, CA ("Gateway to Yosemite") and a long, long way from anywhere, followed by Bridgeport, CA, which was almost as high - typically $.50/gal higher than "normal" places like Douglas County, NV or Bishop, CA.
i can picture us all now, in Mad Max post-apocalyptic clothing circling the teeners around the refinery, chanting "give us the gazoline..." or maybe not.
Posted by: merrill Apr 7 2005, 03:06 PM
Living in Tahoe is a pain in the wallet. Beautiful sights all around you, and then you have to fill up Cost was $2.65 per gallon, 22 gallon tank, damn that hurt 
Posted by: ppickerell Apr 7 2005, 04:14 PM
It's a ploy by the Bush administration to open up drilling on the West Coast and in the Arctic National Refuge.
Flame on you bastards that voted for the killer.
Posted by: grantsfo Apr 7 2005, 05:52 PM
Between the devalued dollar and demand in China we are on the train to $3.00 plus prices within the next couple months. Sure glad my Toyota gets 40 MPG. Pretty much takes the sting out of these prices. My bigger concern are impacts to prices of commodities that travel via truck in the US.
On the news in Central California there was a report of a gas station in Big Sur charging $3.79 per gallon for regular unleaded. Warning for anyone thinking of taking Highway One with a low tank.
Posted by: Chris914n6 Apr 7 2005, 08:51 PM
It's a big game. The big oil companies have contracts, or own the rights to the oil before its pumped, which is still at $25-26 a barrel from OPEC. The commodaties market, which is driven by speculation ( you know, opinions ) is habited by folks looking to make money on the up or down. The big companies certainly aren't paying that much, but they can legally charge that much when they sell it to us ( the consumer ). Profits are high obviously for them and the stockholders.
The markets major rise is based on future demand from China, lower reserves here, summer, the long cold winter (heating oil), and questions on the amount of oil really left in the ground. This past year saw overestimate corrections from several major supplies, like from Shell, and in Russia.
A perfect example is when the Irac war started- price rose as the ultimatum date came closer, then immediately dropped $12 in 10 days after the first bomb. Did supply and demand change significantly anywhere at that time? No.
The oil companies are raking in the dough before technology bombs their industry.
And we'll run out of money before we run out of oil. In 2035 we'll all drive battery powered cars because only the rich will be able to afford gas.
Posted by: bd1308 Apr 7 2005, 09:03 PM
dude, why doesn't jake start popping out some LP carbs for our cars...or run them from veggie oil and just use glow plugs.....
Posted by: jimtab Apr 7 2005, 09:07 PM
| QUOTE (Mueller @ Apr 6 2005, 02:15 PM) |
| local prices here are averaging 2.43 to 2.63 for regular.....I'm hoping the Pilot/Loves gas stations are much cheaper in a week and a half I'm guessing I'll be lucky to get 15mpg in my truck if I tow the 914.....close to 900 miles round trip......ouch.... |
And that doesn't include the price of the P-toys.....
Posted by: scott thacher Apr 7 2005, 09:34 PM
i still say its gouging, sorry sammy but i do. to use your example with the ebay thing, the seller buys the item for 20 bucks because that what they were willing to pay for something they wanted. when it comes to gas it is a different story, the gas suppliers will keep uping the price until they see a drop in use. we dont have an option of buying, we have to, no choice, none nada zip. i have a small business and i am spending about about 70 bucks a week in gas. and if i am in the wrong area i can pay 20 to 30 cents more at the same brand gas station. i onced asked a exxon station owner why he was 25 or so cents higher than the exxon 5 miles away.
his responce was "because i can" i asked him what he ment, he said he just kept raising his gas prices until he saw a drop in sales, at the time he was making almost 50 cents a gallon
i have done work at gas distribution and gas stations, and i have meet the vice pres of exxon, he basicly told me the only thing that effects the price of gas is what the makers want for profit. at the time we were installing the mix and flow controls for filling up the tanker trucks i asked him why they keep changing the equipment ( we did this every six months ) he said because they can. i then asked is it expensive to keep changing it, he said it does not matter the cost to change out $20,000 of stuff every 6 months was only one day of profits from the gas sold out of the station
basicly if oil costs 50 dollars a barrel, they will get about 40 to 45 gallons of gas out of it. at 2.50 a gallon so they would be making over 100 dollars a barrel. or 50 bucks a barrel profit, not including the other stuff that is left over ( 10 to 15 gallons ) that they sell for other stuff ( like plastics and motor oil )
so 50 bucks for 40 or so gallons is more than a dollar a gallon profit between the maker the distrubter and the seller, and the cost to manifacture the gas is something like 10 cents a gallon ( equipment and labor )
this is why i dont buy from exxon
Posted by: GWN7 Apr 7 2005, 11:13 PM
There will be preasure from the big 3 (GM, Ford & Chrysler) in about 6 months when they are sitting on huge amounts of inventory (trucks & SUV's) to lower fuel prices.
Governments love high fuel prices because of all that extra tax they collect.
One thing I have never been able to figure out is the barrel price goes up in the middle East and the next day it's up at the pump, but when it goes down it takes a month before you see any relief.
Posted by: scott thacher Apr 7 2005, 11:22 PM
| QUOTE (GWN7 @ Apr 7 2005, 09:13 PM) |
| One thing I have never been able to figure out is the barrel price goes up in the middle East and the next day it's up at the pump, but when it goes down it takes a month before you see any relief. |
its simple the public sees or reads about a price hike, so the gas people can raise prices and blame it on the oil prices. but they get to make more profits till their price goes up.
then when it goes down they say it will take a month before we use up the stuff we paid more for
basicly we are at their mercy to pay what ever they want, as much as i am anti big government, i think they need to lock prices at a reasonable profit range
there was an online petition to get mr bush to declare a state of emergency the last time the prices where lower to lock them there
Posted by: skline Apr 7 2005, 11:59 PM
That wont happen, Bush is an oil man himself and profits are going into his great grandchildrens pockets and their grand childrens pockets and so on. The reason the gas is so high is because we accept it. They say the pen is mightier than the sword but yet I think the real power is in the people. If we just stopped buying their product for a year, things might change, but the chance of that happening is nill. The economy is heading for a fall very soon, mark my words, the housing market will be one of the first to fall. The shit will hit the fan so to speak and we will be deep into a major depression. I believe it will happen in my lifetime. This is only my opinion but it sure seems like everything is heading that direction. It is all based on greed. Everyone wants something for nothing and they want to make as much as they can from as little as they can. They sell old used stuff that cost pennies to make back 30 years ago and they tell you its overhead so it costs more. Double taxing in many cases. Why should I have to pay tax on something that someone else bought new and paid the tax then? Charging tax for used stuff is just wrong. It goes on and on.
Posted by: Pugbug Apr 8 2005, 03:52 PM
I just filled my dune buggy today with 94 octane. $1.16.9 per litre can$.....That works out to $3.36 us$ per us gallon.
Good thing it sips gas. I hope my 1911 engine in the 914 is as miserly.
I gotta get a smaller truck though!
Posted by: tracks914 Apr 8 2005, 07:47 PM
Good thing Dubya got us a deal on some cheap oil in Iraq. Just imagine what the price would be if not for the "war"
BTW we are paying 96 cents/litre or about 3.63 for regular and $4.00 for supreme.
My new 2004 F150 fuel light came on today. I just put $30 worth of gas into it and it didn't even come up to the 1/4 mark on the fuel guage.
to the oil companies.
Posted by: rick 918-S Apr 9 2005, 09:51 PM
The Mother Ship gets 12 MPG You do the math... I don't want to know!
Posted by: Flat VW Apr 9 2005, 10:47 PM
Imagine what the dialogue must be like over at the Hummerclub.com! 
Hummerclub, makes me want to be a MEMBER, a STIFF MEMBER! 
John
Posted by: rhodyguy Apr 10 2005, 07:23 AM
explain how the exorbitant price of fuel is out of line when people are willing to pay $3.50 for a cup of coffee with a little bit of steamed milk, or a buck or more for a bottle of water while they're filling up . hell, i nearly lost my mind when i paid $.85 for a "resized" payday candy bar . bottom line, fuel costs are fuel costs. pony up or sell the cars and ride the bus. i won't go into the raping you get over 20 sticks of tobacco rolled in paper.
k
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